AnOTHER BOXER CAUGHT ON PEDS

[Zeferino]

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/boxing/molefe-banned-for-doping-1.1164345

"SA boxing featherweight champion Matima Molefe has been banned for two years from the sport over anabolic steroids, the Institute for Drug-Free Sport said on Tuesday.

The institute said Molefe tested positive for the drugs – metabolites of the anabolic agent Nandrolone – after a featherweight title fight in May this year.

The banned substances were found in Molefe's urine sample, taken by doping control officials on May 29 after the title fight in East London.

CEO Khalid Galant said latest figures showed anabolic steroid doping among boxers was becoming a trend.

This was because of a misconception that steroids alone would enhance performance and bring extra strength and power.

He said there were four positives out of 87 tests reported between April 2010 and March 2011.

“Due to the number of adverse analytical findings that we have experienced in boxing over the last two to three years, we have increased our testing and anti-doping education to professional boxing.”

Galant said by taking steroids boxers were placing their championship status and earning potential at risk.

Boxers were also only “wasting their money” because the improvement to their performance was minimal.

“We hope boxers will learn from these doping bans being handed down that champions are made through hard work in the gym and will not be found in some capsule or muscle powder drink,” said Galant. – Sapa"

This article goes along with what I always say about PEDS not benefitting boxers. As I always say, most boxers caught on PEDs are never caught after giving an extraordinary performance. On the contrary, they're usually getting their ass kicked while on PEDS and caught afterward. This boxer, Molofe, is no exception as he tested positive for roids right after getting his ass kicked and stopped in the 2nd round: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=438273&cat=boxer

 

[richlove]

damn

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

who?

 

[peterpiper1978]

http://www.iol.co.za/sport/boxing/molefe-banned-for-doping-1.1164345

"SA boxing featherweight champion Matima Molefe has been banned for two years from the sport over anabolic steroids, the Institute for Drug-Free Sport said on Tuesday.

The institute said Molefe tested positive for the drugs – metabolites of the anabolic agent Nandrolone – after a featherweight title fight in May this year.

The banned substances were found in Molefe's urine sample, taken by doping control officials on May 29 after the title fight in East London.

CEO Khalid Galant said latest figures showed anabolic steroid doping among boxers was becoming a trend.

This was because of a misconception that steroids alone would enhance performance and bring extra strength and power.

He said there were four positives out of 87 tests reported between April 2010 and March 2011.

“Due to the number of adverse analytical findings that we have experienced in boxing over the last two to three years, we have increased our testing and anti-doping education to professional boxing.”

Galant said by taking steroids boxers were placing their championship status and earning potential at risk.

Boxers were also only “wasting their money” because the improvement to their performance was minimal.

“We hope boxers will learn from these doping bans being handed down that champions are made through hard work in the gym and will not be found in some capsule or muscle powder drink,” said Galant. – Sapa"

This article goes along with what I always say about PEDS not benefitting boxers. As I always say, most boxers caught on PEDs are never caught after giving an extraordinary performance. On the contrary, they're usually getting their ass kicked while on PEDS and caught afterward. This boxer, Molofe, is no exception as he tested positive for roids right after getting his ass kicked and stopped in the 2nd round: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=438273&cat=boxer

so are you saying boxer should be allowed to use PED? just because he got beat this time does not mean he didnt benefit in the past. He may have met an opponent that just outperformed him.

They wouldnt be banned from all sports including fake ass WWE if they d not lend an advantage to the user

Besides, the moniker PED means Performance ENHANCING Drug. Just looking at the meaning of the phrase throws your argument out of the window.

that is white people mentality...I m going to take some PED and compete, but they dont give me an advantage over my clean opponent
I dont understand how people evenn argue that PEDs dont benefit boxers but then will concede in the same breath that Barry Bonds broke all of the records d/t PED and he should be taken from the record books or have an asterick to show he was on PEDs

you people reach so much

 

[Alaskanredman]

so are you saying boxer should be allowed to use PED? just because he got beat this time does not mean he didnt benefit in the past. He may have met an opponent that just outperformed him.

They wouldnt be banned from all sports including fake ass WWE if they d not lend an advantage to the user

wasting your time.

 

[Zeferino]

so are you saying boxer should be allowed to use PED? just because he got beat this time does not mean he didnt benefit in the past. He may have met an opponent that just outperformed him.

They wouldnt be banned from all sports including fake ass WWE if they d not lend an advantage to the user

Besides, the moniker PED means Performance ENHANCING Drug. Just looking at the meaning of the phrase throws your argument out of the window.

that is white people mentality...I m going to take some PED and compete, but they dont give me an advantage over my clean opponent
I dont understand how people evenn argue that PEDs dont benefit boxers but then will concede in the same breath that Barry Bonds broke all of the records d/t PED and he should be taken from the record books or have an asterick to show he was on PEDs

you people reach so much

Boxing and baseball are two very different sports. I am sure you can find documented evidence of PEDs benefitting the performance of baseball players. Can you do the same for boxing? The only "evidence" people have that PEDs benefit boxers is "well it helps baseball players". The only available evidence actually would indicate that PEDs do not help boxers. Is it not true that most boxers caught on PEDs are often caught after losing or looking unspectacular? I don't compare boxing to baseball or WWE because I respect boxing more than that.

 

[peterpiper1978]

Boxing and baseball are two very different sports. I am sure you can find documented evidence of PEDs benefitting the performance of baseball players. Can you do the same for boxing? The only "evidence" people have that PEDs benefit boxers is "well it helps baseball players". The only available evidence actually would indicate that PEDs do not help boxers. Is it not true that most boxers caught on PEDs are often caught after losing or looking unspectacular? I don't compare boxing to baseball or WWE because I respect boxing more than that.

explain Shane Mosley then...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...e_mosleys_drug_admission_after_civil_sui.html

 

[Zeferino]

explain Shane Mosley then...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...e_mosleys_drug_admission_after_civil_sui.html

Explain what? You're actually proving my point. The time that it was confirmed that Mosley was on PEDS was arguably during one of the worst times in his career where he was giving the least convincing performances of his career. He got a gift decision over DLH while looking sluggish and unable to throw combinations and he looked like complete shit against Winky Wright. The Mosley that fought at 135 and 147 was badass, dynamic, and a combination punching machine. The Mosley at 154 looked more hulkish but was largely ineffective in the ring. Just watch the fights.

 

[tp2001]

Explain what? You're actually proving my point. The time that it was confirmed that Mosley was on PEDS was arguably during one of the worst times in his career where he was giving the least convincing performances of his career. He got a gift decision over DLH while looking sluggish and unable to throw combinations and he looked like complete shit against Winky Wright. The Mosley that fought at 135 and 147 was badass, dynamic, and a combination punching machine. The Mosley at 154 looked more hulkish but was largely ineffective in the ring. Just watch the fights.

Paul Pierce, bruh...

There was a clip I saw of Shane Mosley on boxingscene where he was at 135 and he just dusted this cat with combos...he was untouchable in that weight class...

Go up to 154 and he wins one belt and then gives Winky a shot at his title...Winky jabbed him almost senseless in the first fight and he at least gave something more in the second one...

 

[Zeferino]

Paul Pierce, bruh...

There was a clip I saw of Shane Mosley on boxingscene where he was at 135 and he just dusted this cat with combos...he was untouchable in that weight class...

Go up to 154 and he wins one belt and then gives Winky a shot at his title...Winky jabbed him almost senseless in the first fight and he at least gave something more in the second one...

Yeah, people forget but Mosley was damn near Roy Jonesque at 135. Mosley was ridiculous not just with his hands but the footwork was crazy. All I'm saying is it is confirmed that Mosley was on PEDs at 154 and that is coincidentally where he looked like a piece of shit. If these PEDs do all these wonderful things for boxers then Mosley with the natural talent he already had should have been decapitating guys and landing ten punch combos in one second. At this point, PEDS helping boxers is just a legend.

 

[Jordan Diddy Buk]

Explain what? You're actually proving my point. The time that it was confirmed that Mosley was on PEDS was arguably during one of the worst times in his career where he was giving the least convincing performances of his career. He got a gift decision over DLH while looking sluggish and unable to throw combinations and he looked like complete shit against Winky Wright. The Mosley that fought at 135 and 147 was badass, dynamic, and a combination punching machine. The Mosley at 154 looked more hulkish but was largely ineffective in the ring. Just watch the fights.

exactly. i hated how at 154 he became this fighter that was just throwing one punch instead of combos.

 

[peterpiper1978]

Explain what? You're actually proving my point. The time that it was confirmed that Mosley was on PEDS was arguably during one of the worst times in his career where he was giving the least convincing performances of his career. He got a gift decision over DLH while looking sluggish and unable to throw combinations and he looked like complete shit against Winky Wright. The Mosley that fought at 135 and 147 was badass, dynamic, and a combination punching machine. The Mosley at 154 looked more hulkish but was largely ineffective in the ring. Just watch the fights.

nah buddy he didnt rule out that he used them during his prime also. you are just taking what you want from the article. Common sense would tell you that if a drug makes someone quicker,stronger, and more aggressive that it will benefit them when fighting. Quit pseudo-caping for Pacman

 

[Zeferino]

nah buddy he didnt rule out that he used them during his prime also. you are just taking what you want from the article. Common sense would tell you that if a drug makes someone quicker,stronger, and more aggressive that it will benefit them when fighting. Quit pseudo-caping for Pacman

If that's what your argument is then you may as well say he could of been on PEDs when he was six years old too. Maybe Mayweather Sr was injecting Mayweather with PEDs when he was a newborn. I've never heard him rule it out, as you put it. There is no proof that Mosley used them during his prime. There IS proof that he was on them when he looked like shit at 154. If we're talking about performance enhancing drugs, the best way to analyze their benefit for boxers is to analyze the performance of the boxer while on them. The confirmed incidents show boxers usually performing poorly or unspectacularly while on them.

 

[peterpiper1978]

okay Zeferino, so are you saying that Floyd should fight Pacman even if he is on PEDs? Hypothetically, are you saying that if Pac admitted to using that there is no proof that they enhance performance?

sports are sports at the end of the day. You use muscles, aggression, and talent to excel. If he takes something that is SCIENTIFICALLY proven to increase strength, speed, and aggression, why would it not benefit someone that is fighting mano-e-mano?

You are playing dumb and it is very apparent. If it has not been determined to lend advantage then why are they banned by all of the major commissions including the olympics? GTFOH, there is no proof because nobody is willing to admit to using them at the time they are using them.

like i said before, he never said that he didnt use them earlier in his career so how do you know that at 154 was the only time?

also have you ever thought that you still have to have the work ethic to go along with the juice to win? maybe he took his training lightly when he came in at 154. who knows, but me and the majority of sound minded sports fans will agree that PEDs give an advantage. it doesnt matter if the improvement in strength, speed, or aggression is only increased by .0001%, the fact remains that it 'enhanced his performance', hence they are called PEDs

you guys that hate Money May are so obvious.

maybe a simple example will help you understand:

I am at work making good money. My boss comes in and says, peterpiper, we have a new client for you. He is willing to pay you top dollar to provide your services. btw, he requires a clean drug screen to allow you to work for him.

Even though my company doesnt require drug testing, do you think I will turn down top dollar If i am clean? do you think i will turn down the money just because of principle? GTFOH

 

[merce77]

So some untalented fighter was using PED's? How does this prove that they don't give an advantage to someone who's actually a gifted fighter? PED's are rampant in sports and every fighter who's been caught using - Toney, Jones Jr., Mosley, and everyone else are CHEATERS and should have an asterisk put next to their entire careers.

 

[peterpiper1978]

^^^^
exactly, the OP is playing dumb. if the OP looks at the records of toney, Jones Jr, and mosely he would see that these guy were pretty much at the top of their classes at one time. how does he know they weren't juicing then also

 

[Alaskanredman]

wasting your time.

I think this guy was right.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Explain what? You're actually proving my point. The time that it was confirmed that Mosley was on PEDS was arguably during one of the worst times in his career where he was giving the least convincing performances of his career. He got a gift decision over DLH while looking sluggish and unable to throw combinations and he looked like complete shit against Winky Wright. The Mosley that fought at 135 and 147 was badass, dynamic, and a combination punching machine. The Mosley at 154 looked more hulkish but was largely ineffective in the ring. Just watch the fights.

It could be that had to do with him fighting above his ideal weight class.

 

[Zeferino]

okay Zeferino, so are you saying that Floyd should fight Pacman even if he is on PEDs? Hypothetically, are you saying that if Pac admitted to using that there is no proof that they enhance performance?

sports are sports at the end of the day. You use muscles, aggression, and talent to excel. If he takes something that is SCIENTIFICALLY proven to increase strength, speed, and aggression, why would it not benefit someone that is fighting mano-e-mano?

You are playing dumb and it is very apparent. If it has not been determined to lend advantage then why are they banned by all of the major commissions including the olympics? GTFOH, there is no proof because nobody is willing to admit to using them at the time they are using them.

like i said before, he never said that he didnt use them earlier in his career so how do you know that at 154 was the only time?

also have you ever thought that you still have to have the work ethic to go along with the juice to win? maybe he took his training lightly when he came in at 154. who knows, but me and the majority of sound minded sports fans will agree that PEDs give an advantage. it doesnt matter if the improvement in strength, speed, or aggression is only increased by .0001%, the fact remains that it 'enhanced his performance', hence they are called PEDs

you guys that hate Money May are so obvious.

maybe a simple example will help you understand:

I am at work making good money. My boss comes in and says, peterpiper, we have a new client for you. He is willing to pay you top dollar to provide your services. btw, he requires a clean drug screen to allow you to work for him.

Even though my company doesnt require drug testing, do you think I will turn down top dollar If i am clean? do you think i will turn down the money just because of principle? GTFOH

The only factual thing you said in your whole rant was "there is no proof" and that is my main point. All the rest of what you wrote is a bunch of hypothesis and similar to trying to prove God exists.

 

[Zeferino]

It could be that had to do with him fighting above his ideal weight class.

Hey, that's possible too. Whatever it was, my point is he didn't look spectacular at all during the time it was confirmed that he was on PEDs.

 

[Zeferino]

^^^^
exactly, the OP is playing dumb. if the OP looks at the records of toney, Jones Jr, and mosely he would see that these guy were pretty much at the top of their classes at one time. how does he know they weren't juicing then also

Yeah, how do we know Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, Bernard Hopkins, or any damn boxer at all was juicing? You can't. The only opportunity to make a true analysis of what happens when a boxer uses PEDs is to look at the few that are caught and their performance in that particular fight and maybe two fights back. Interestingly, the majority of those that are caught are caught after mediocre and unspectacular performances. I rather base my opinions on what I see actually happening rather than comparing boxing to baseball and stupid stuff like that. You will never ever hear a boxer compare themselves to a baseball player because that is just ignorant, insulting, and just far out of touch with reality.

 

[Zeferino]

So some untalented fighter was using PED's? How does this prove that they don't give an advantage to someone who's actually a gifted fighter? PED's are rampant in sports and every fighter who's been caught using - Toney, Jones Jr., Mosley, and everyone else are CHEATERS and should have an asterisk put next to their entire careers.

Now that is actually an interesting question because as we all know, a guy like Richard Hall was roided the fuck out against Roy Jones but looked just as slow and plodding as he always does. Jones looked speedy and superhuman against Hall but it's hard to say because Jones has been looking special like that since he was a teenager. Fernando Vargas was gifted and looked body beautiful against DLH while on roids but got viciously knocked out even earlier than his lockout loss to Tito Trinidad and Trinidad hits harder than DLH. Toney was gifted and didn't look special or different at all when he tested positive for roids after his win over Ruiz. I don't see any evidence that PEDs are taking any boxers to the next level.

There's a lot of "maybe this, maybe that" "look at the baseball players" but when it comes down to actual documented evidence where we see a guy looking superhuman in the ring or markedly improved, this just doesn't exist. Until I see that, I will tend to believe that the PEDs do more harm than good. Even the guy from that drug organization in the article said any improvement was minimal so I don't see what all the outrage is about.

 

[peterpiper1978]

Now that is actually an interesting question because as we all know, a guy like Richard Hall was roided the fuck out against Roy Jones but looked just as slow and plodding as he always does. Jones looked speedy and superhuman against Hall but it's hard to say because Jones has been looking special like that since he was a teenager. Fernando Vargas was gifted and looked body beautiful against DLH while on roids but got viciously knocked out even earlier than his lockout loss to Tito Trinidad and Trinidad hits harder than DLH. Toney was gifted and didn't look special or different at all when he tested positive for roids after his win over Ruiz. I don't see any evidence that PEDs are taking any boxers to the next level.

There's a lot of "maybe this, maybe that" "look at the baseball players" but when it comes down to actual documented evidence where we see a guy looking superhuman in the ring or markedly improved, this just doesn't exist. Until I see that, I will tend to believe that the PEDs do more harm than good. Even the guy from that drug organization in the article said any improvement was minimal so I don't see what all the outrage is about.

GTFOH, if my theory along with all of the competent scientist is just speculation then what do you think your view is? There is alot more literature proving that PEDs increase performance.

besides, i have come to realize that you are just trolling because you cant be as dumb as you sound

 

[Zeferino]

GTFOH, if my theory along with all of the competent scientist is just speculation then what do you think your view is? There is alot more literature proving that PEDs increase performance.

besides, i have come to realize that you are just trolling because you cant be as dumb as you sound

And the insults begin. The classic comeback of the weak minded. Regardless, the difference is I speculate about the effect of PEDs on boxers based on what has actually happened in a boxing ring in the sport of boxing. Meanwhile, you speculate on the effect of PEDs on boxers based on what happens in baseball and in WWE, . How intelligent is that? Whatever.

 

[peterpiper1978]

And the insults begin. The classic comeback of the weak minded. Regardless, the difference is I speculate about the effect of PEDs on boxers based on what has actually happened in a boxing ring in the sport of boxing. Meanwhile, you speculate on the effect of PEDs on boxers based on what happens in baseball and in WWE, . How intelligent is that? Whatever.

This was actually my comeback: GTFOH, if my theory along with all of the competent scientist is just speculation then what do you think your view is? There is alot more literature proving that PEDs increase performance.

you notice that you are one of the maybe 3 boxing heads on this forum that believes what you
are saying?


http://www.sportsci.org/encyc/anabster/anabster.html
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid (and dont try to say that wiki is not a reliable source because they cited this from The American College of Sports Medicine

Anabolic steroids were first isolated, identified, and synthesized in the 1930s, and are now used therapeutically in medicine to stimulate bone growth and appetite, induce male puberty, and treat chronic wasting conditions, such as cancer and AIDS. The American College of Sports Medicine acknowledges that AAS, in the presence of adequate diet, can contribute to increases in body weight, often as lean mass increases, and that the gains in muscular strength achieved through high-intensity exercise and proper diet can be additionally increased by the use of AAS in some individuals.[1]

Some examples of the anabolic effects of these hormones are increased protein synthesis from amino acids, increased appetite, increased bone remodeling and growth, and stimulation of bone marrow, which increases the production of red blood cells. Through a number of mechanisms anabolic steroids stimulate the formation of muscle cells and hence cause an increase in the size of skeletal muscles, leading to increased strength

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15248788
Effects of androgenic-anabolic steroids in athletes.
Hartgens F, Kuipers H.
Source
Department of Surgery, Outpatient Clinic Sports Medicine, University Hospital Maastricht, and Sports Medicine Center Maastricht, Maastricht, The Netherlands. fhartgens@home.nl
Abstract
Androgenic-anabolic steroids (AAS) are synthetic derivatives of the male hormone testosterone. They can exert strong effects on the human body that may be beneficial for athletic performance. A review of the literature revealed that most laboratory studies did not investigate the actual doses of AAS currently abused in the field. Therefore, those studies may not reflect the actual (adverse) effects of steroids. The available scientific literature describes that short-term administration of these drugs by athletes can increase strength and bodyweight. Strength gains of about 5-20% of the initial strength and increments of 2-5 kg bodyweight, that may be attributed to an increase of the lean body mass, have been observed. A reduction of fat mass does not seem to occur. Although AAS administration may affect erythropoiesis and blood haemoglobin concentrations, no effect on endurance performance was observed. Little data about the effects of AAS on metabolic responses during exercise training and recovery are available and, therefore, do not allow firm conclusions. The main untoward effects of short- and long-term AAS abuse that male athletes most often self-report are an increase in sexual drive, the occurrence of acne vulgaris, increased body hair and increment of aggressive behaviour. AAS administration will disturb the regular endogenous production of testosterone and gonadotrophins that may persist for months after drug withdrawal. Cardiovascular risk factors may undergo deleterious alterations, including elevation of blood pressure and depression of serum high-density lipoprotein (HDL)-, HDL2- and HDL3-cholesterol levels. In echocardiographic studies in male athletes, AAS did not seem to affect cardiac structure and function, although in animal studies these drugs have been observed to exert hazardous effects on heart structure and function. In studies of athletes, AAS were not found to damage the liver. Psyche and behaviour seem to be strongly affected by AAS. Generally, AAS seem to induce increments of aggression and hostility. Mood disturbances (e.g. depression, [hypo-]mania, psychotic features) are likely to be dose and drug dependent. AAS dependence or withdrawal effects (such as depression) seem to occur only in a small number of AAS users. Dissatisfaction with the body and low self-esteem may lead to the so-called 'reverse anorexia syndrome' that predisposes to the start of AAS use. Many other adverse effects have been associated with AAS misuse, including disturbance of endocrine and immune function, alterations of sebaceous system and skin, changes of haemostatic system and urogenital tract. One has to keep in mind that the scientific data may underestimate the actual untoward effects because of the relatively low doses administered in those studies, since they do not approximate doses used by illicit steroid users. The mechanism of action of AAS may differ between compounds because of variations in the steroid molecule and affinity to androgen receptors. Several pathways of action have been recognised. The enzyme 5-alpha-reductase seems to play an important role by converting AAS into dihydrotestosterone (androstanolone) that acts in the cell nucleus of target organs, such as male accessory glands, skin and prostate. Other mechanisms comprises mediation by the enzyme aromatase that converts AAS in female sex hormones (estradiol and estrone), antagonistic action to estrogens and a competitive antagonism to the glucocorticoid receptors. Furthermore, AAS stimulate erythropoietin synthesis and red cell production as well as bone formation but counteract bone breakdown. The effects on the cardiovascular system are proposed to be mediated by the occurrence of AAS-induced atherosclerosis (due to unfavourable influence on serum lipids and lipoproteins), thrombosis, vasospasm or direct injury to vessel walls, or may be ascribed to a combination of the different mechanisms. AAS-induced increment of muscle tissue can be attributed to hypertrophy and the formation of new muscle fibres, in which key roles are played by satellite cell number and ultrastructure, androgen receptors and myonuclei.

Copyright 2004 Adis Data Information BV


btw, its not name calling if it is the truth

I am done with this thread. It is foolish of me to try and argue with a fool

/thread

 

[Zeferino]

This was actually my comeback: GTFOH, if my theory along with all of the competent scientist is just speculation then what do you think your view is? There is alot more literature proving that PEDs increase performance.

you notice that you are one of the maybe 3 boxing heads on this forum that believes what you
are saying?


http://www.sportsci.org/encyc/anabster/anabster.html
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid (and dont try to say that wiki is not a reliable source because they cited this from The American College of Sports Medicine

Anabolic steroids were first isolated, identified, and synthesized in the 1930s, and are now used therapeutically in medicine to stimulate bone growth and appetite, induce male puberty, and treat chronic wasting conditions, such as cancer and AIDS. The American College of Sports Medicine acknowledges that AAS, in the presence of adequate diet, can contribute to increases in body weight, often as lean mass increases, and that the gains in muscular strength achieved through high-intensity exercise and proper diet can be additionally increased by the use of AAS in some individuals.[1]

Some examples of the anabolic effects of these hormones are increased protein synthesis from amino acids, increased appetite, increased bone remodeling and growth, and stimulation of bone marrow, which increases the production of red blood cells. Through a number of mechanisms anabolic steroids stimulate the formation of muscle cells and hence cause an increase in the size of skeletal muscles, leading to increased strength

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15248788
Effects of androgenic-anabolic steroids in athletes.
Hartgens F, Kuipers H.
Source
Department of Surgery, Outpatient Clinic Sports Medicine, University Hospital Maastricht, and Sports Medicine Center Maastricht, Maastricht, The Netherlands. fhartgens@home.nl
Abstract
Androgenic-anabolic steroids (AAS) are synthetic derivatives of the male hormone testosterone. They can exert strong effects on the human body that may be beneficial for athletic performance. A review of the literature revealed that most laboratory studies did not investigate the actual doses of AAS currently abused in the field. Therefore, those studies may not reflect the actual (adverse) effects of steroids. The available scientific literature describes that short-term administration of these drugs by athletes can increase strength and bodyweight. Strength gains of about 5-20% of the initial strength and increments of 2-5 kg bodyweight, that may be attributed to an increase of the lean body mass, have been observed. A reduction of fat mass does not seem to occur. Although AAS administration may affect erythropoiesis and blood haemoglobin concentrations, no effect on endurance performance was observed. Little data about the effects of AAS on metabolic responses during exercise training and recovery are available and, therefore, do not allow firm conclusions. The main untoward effects of short- and long-term AAS abuse that male athletes most often self-report are an increase in sexual drive, the occurrence of acne vulgaris, increased body hair and increment of aggressive behaviour. AAS administration will disturb the regular endogenous production of testosterone and gonadotrophins that may persist for months after drug withdrawal. Cardiovascular risk factors may undergo deleterious alterations, including elevation of blood pressure and depression of serum high-density lipoprotein (HDL)-, HDL2- and HDL3-cholesterol levels. In echocardiographic studies in male athletes, AAS did not seem to affect cardiac structure and function, although in animal studies these drugs have been observed to exert hazardous effects on heart structure and function. In studies of athletes, AAS were not found to damage the liver. Psyche and behaviour seem to be strongly affected by AAS. Generally, AAS seem to induce increments of aggression and hostility. Mood disturbances (e.g. depression, [hypo-]mania, psychotic features) are likely to be dose and drug dependent. AAS dependence or withdrawal effects (such as depression) seem to occur only in a small number of AAS users. Dissatisfaction with the body and low self-esteem may lead to the so-called 'reverse anorexia syndrome' that predisposes to the start of AAS use. Many other adverse effects have been associated with AAS misuse, including disturbance of endocrine and immune function, alterations of sebaceous system and skin, changes of haemostatic system and urogenital tract. One has to keep in mind that the scientific data may underestimate the actual untoward effects because of the relatively low doses administered in those studies, since they do not approximate doses used by illicit steroid users. The mechanism of action of AAS may differ between compounds because of variations in the steroid molecule and affinity to androgen receptors. Several pathways of action have been recognised. The enzyme 5-alpha-reductase seems to play an important role by converting AAS into dihydrotestosterone (androstanolone) that acts in the cell nucleus of target organs, such as male accessory glands, skin and prostate. Other mechanisms comprises mediation by the enzyme aromatase that converts AAS in female sex hormones (estradiol and estrone), antagonistic action to estrogens and a competitive antagonism to the glucocorticoid receptors. Furthermore, AAS stimulate erythropoietin synthesis and red cell production as well as bone formation but counteract bone breakdown. The effects on the cardiovascular system are proposed to be mediated by the occurrence of AAS-induced atherosclerosis (due to unfavourable influence on serum lipids and lipoproteins), thrombosis, vasospasm or direct injury to vessel walls, or may be ascribed to a combination of the different mechanisms. AAS-induced increment of muscle tissue can be attributed to hypertrophy and the formation of new muscle fibres, in which key roles are played by satellite cell number and ultrastructure, androgen receptors and myonuclei.

Copyright 2004 Adis Data Information BV


btw, its not name calling if it is the truth

I am done with this thread. It is foolish of me to try and argue with a fool

/thread

Where's the part about boxing? You sure can copy and paste though. You have talent, lol.

 

[peterpiper1978]

Where's the part about boxing? You sure can copy and paste though. You have talent, lol.

The source is from the American College of Sports Medicine...I think they cover all of the sports and that they are speaking in general. It was rhetorical for them to type or single out a specific sport in the article since they represent Sports medicine (which includes boxers) and not just boxing medicine
they don't name a particular sport in any of the articles. it highlights the gains in strength, speed, muscle mass, muscle healing time, and aggression gained in general.

and trust me dude, i understand the body, microbiology, pathophisiology, organic and inorganic chemistry, and chemical reactions/interactions, lock & key mechanisms in much more depth than you no need for me to debate that with you cause this is how i make a living. by studying, understanding, and loving science. So please miss me with the childish attempts to insult my intelligence.

take a look at my post history and you will see that besides copy and paste, i can actually put my thoughts into my own words when it comes to science and health because i have a true understanding of many of the concepts

say what you say about copy and paste but i challenge you to post a article or document that has undergone the scrutiny of peer review saying in any definitive way that PEDs do not enhance performance.

and please dont say that my sources are not from reputable sources

 

[Alaskanredman]

The source is from the American College of Sports Medicine...I think they cover all of the sports and that they are speaking in general. It was rhetorical for them to type or single out a specific sport in the article since they represent Sports medicine (which includes boxers) and not just boxing medicine
they don't name a particular sport in any of the articles. it highlights the gains in strength, speed, muscle mass, muscle healing time, and aggression gained in general.

and trust me dude, i understand the body, microbiology, pathophisiology, organic and inorganic chemistry, and chemical reactions/interactions, lock & key mechanisms in much more depth than you no need for me to debate that with you cause this is how i make a living. by studying, understanding, and loving science. So please miss me with the childish attempts to insult my intelligence.

take a look at my post history and you will see that besides copy and paste, i can actually put my thoughts into my own words when it comes to science and health because i have a true understanding of many of the concepts

say what you say about copy and paste but i challenge you to post a article or document that has undergone the scrutiny of peer review saying in any definitive way that PEDs do not enhance performance.

and please dont say that my sources are not from reputable sources

please stop wasting your time.

 

[Zeferino]

please stop wasting your time.

 

[Zeferino]

The source is from the American College of Sports Medicine...I think they cover all of the sports and that they are speaking in general. It was rhetorical for them to type or single out a specific sport in the article since they represent Sports medicine (which includes boxers) and not just boxing medicine
they don't name a particular sport in any of the articles. it highlights the gains in strength, speed, muscle mass, muscle healing time, and aggression gained in general.

and trust me dude, i understand the body, microbiology, pathophisiology, organic and inorganic chemistry, and chemical reactions/interactions, lock & key mechanisms in much more depth than you no need for me to debate that with you cause this is how i make a living. by studying, understanding, and loving science. So please miss me with the childish attempts to insult my intelligence.

take a look at my post history and you will see that besides copy and paste, i can actually put my thoughts into my own words when it comes to science and health because i have a true understanding of many of the concepts

say what you say about copy and paste but i challenge you to post a article or document that has undergone the scrutiny of peer review saying in any definitive way that PEDs do not enhance performance.

and please dont say that my sources are not from reputable sources

Exactly. They are speaking in general. I challenge you to post an article or document that has undergone the scrutiny of peer review saying in any definitive way that PEDs specifically enhance the performance of boxers. This article or document should be backed up by a study with real life examples of boxers and how they were enhanced. You'll never find that. If you just want to take an article and say it applies to all sports, that's just ridiculous. What about golf? What about pool? What about swimming? You really aren't putting much thought into your words. You're just trying to prove a point at all costs and it's pitiful because your points can't be proven. You're showing a lack of maturity and a very high level of naivety.

 

[Alaskanredman]

I know right, you're denser than a motherfucker.

 

[Zeferino]

I know right, you're denser than a motherfucker.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

please stop wasting your time.

Help him, Alaska.

Zef has an opinion on this and he's not going to let a little thing like science affect it. Cool. We've been over this.
For me, it's either believe him or Victor Conte and I'm going with Conte.

 

[Zeferino]

Help him, Alaska.

Zef has an opinion on this and he's not going to let a little thing like science affect it. Cool. We've been over this.
For me, it's either believe him or Victor Conte and I'm going with Conte.

Science? Science changes all the time. But it's funny that you mention science because I'm actually applying more science here than you, the Alaskan dolo clown and the rest of them. The main tool in science is OBSERVATION. You guys don't OBSERVE. You just read shit and try and apply it to everything.

I'm actually looking at this topic from a much more practical point of view than you'll. My thing is, if this is supposed to be a PED for boxers, I want to see the enhanced performance in the ring. I haven't seen it yet. Conte was the one that gave Shane Mosley PEDs and Mosley looked as shitty as ever in the ring. Conte also gave baseball players and track athletes PEDs and the enhancement of their performance was very notable.

I'm going by what I see and I don't see any enhancement for boxers in the ring. Neither do you guys, by the way, and that's why you'll start talking about baseball and WWE whenever this topic comes up. I will change my opinion when I actually see confirmed results in a boxing ring.

You'll are conveniently ignoring the meat of the article because it supports what I keep saying and you'll can't deal with it.

I didn't write the article and even in the article the drug organization guy is saying boxers are "wasting their money" by investing in PEDs because the improvements are minimal. That's a huge statement right there. If you guys were so objective or really believed in Science, you'd want to know why this guy is saying something like this.

 

[Alaskanredman]

Help him, Alaska.

Zef has an opinion on this and he's not going to let a little thing like science affect it. Cool. We've been over this.
For me, it's either believe him or Victor Conte and I'm going with Conte.

Yep.... and the world keeps moving. Some people are willing to go deeper down the hole of bullshit no matter what argument is presented so Zef wins. Nothing to see here people... move the fuck on and ever stupid argument he brings up is better off ignored.