If these are the facts, then the robbers can't claim self defense. But if the facts are that he just chased them to get back his wallet and he pulled a gun first, then they can claim self defense.
Well lets hope the witness is that poor child (assuming he's old enough to give an account).
I see what you're saying Jagu but even in that scenario they are still liable. It would all still fall under during the commission of the felony. The criminal nexus was never severed, it was all part of the same act. There was instant and immediate pursuit confrontation which arose from the armed robbery. Theres no defense of self exception here. Even if there was felony murder would step in and say "Hey, shit like this happens during the commission of inherently dangerous crime. Defendant started this shit with the armed robbery. Its his fault."
Well, here me out on this.
Do you realize that the out of wedlock birth rate in the black community was on around 17% in 1950s? See, people wanna keep distracting us talking about slavery broke up the family when the family was in tact much more so in the 50s & 60s than it is now (70% out of wedlock birth rate currently). Contrary to popular belief, that problems we're seeing now are a RECENT phenomenon.
What happened was socialism aka social programs aka the welfare state. And to be honest, it wasn't an intentional or malicious thing. Politicians, (like with the housing crisis that people are trying to blame on wall street instead of the real culprit... the US Congress) just don't know what the fuck they're doing half the time even when they mean well.
Trying to address a rising out of wedlock birth rate in the black community (it had gotten as high as 25% before the government tried to address it in the 1960s - check the Moniyhan report) they implemented the welfare programs & the rest is history.
What politicians thought was if men were increasing their abandonment of their children, we need to help these women out. Well ok, that's a admirable thing to do. However, it never occurred to them that this wouldn't stop the real problem which is men abandoning their kids & it created a new problem of women purposely & collecting a check by having children & not having to work for it.
Think about it. If you got a son or daughter at home and they're say 18-21 years old, why the fuck would they leave if they can get free housing, food, cable, internet, transportation, etc? If you don't either put them out or give them incentive to leave, why the fuck would they leave? It's the same with welfare. If you can eat everyday, why the fuck would you try to get better? Why go to school or try to get a better job?
The government still doesn't understand that you can't give people incentives to be lazy & unproductive because people won't do sh!t if they can eat & live for free. We all know folx who are 2nd or 3rd generation welfare/WIC recipients.
You can't fix problems that require people to behave in a certain manner by trying to give them something. Nothing can fix men raising their children except men ACTUALLY doing their job. Nothing can fix women raising their children accept women ACTUALLY doing their job. You can pump all the money you want into inner city schools but if black kids don't study as much as other kids, nothing will change. You can't fix crime in the inner cities with a bunch of money & programs if ngaz won't stop shooting each other & go to school.
We gotta understand individual behavior has to change to get better results. The fix isn't external. It's internal to the community & each individual who lives within it.
May Vernon journey well and may his family be at peace in the near future. It will be hard for them.
On a side note, I don't want to add to the negative comments that have already been made in this thread, but I just don't understand something:
If you're going to resort to robbing and stealing, murdering and raping, why do it to your own?
Why not do it to the people that have subjected you to the most pain and suffering and oppression for the past few hundred years systemically.
It's like a damn Pandemic. Look at most of the riots that have gone on all over the past years in the U.S.A...they were started out of anger over what White people did but were done in and to black communities. Most of the time these communities are left in shambles decades after the riots.
Does that shit make sense? So if you're that oppressed, angry, downtrodden and poor why not steal and rob from the White people that make you suffer on a day to day basis, both blatantly and covertly...
"Niggas" fucking it up in France, Germany and Sweden too ,right?
As i said, shit is NOT genetic.
Does that shit make sense? So if you're that oppressed, angry, downtrodden and poor why not steal and rob from the White people that make you suffer on a day to day basis, both blatantly and covertly...
Man, it's not about being oppressed or downtrodden with these sorry hoodrats.....THEY FUCKING GREEDY AND LAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY'RE GONNA GET WHOEVER THEY CAN GET, WHEN THEY CAN GET THEM. BLACK OR WHITE.
And who said it was genetic?
It's a matter of BEHAVIOR ie CHOICES based on VALUES/MORALS.
Those guys could have chose not to carjack Vernon Forrest but because they're fuckin criminals who don't wanna work for sh!t, they think they're entitled to take shit from other people who work for it.
Exactly. when i saw the news report and saw Mcdaniel St. i was thinking wtf was he doing around there. Car jackings happen around there frequently at night
