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...there is none. :eek: After he spent time with Bill Moyers and discussed all the nonsense as well as the death threats to him and his family, why nothing in the news about this? He went on Moyers show on Friday and no news. Obama when on Foxnews today and there is a shit load of stories.

What happened?

-VG
 
...there is none. :eek: After he spent time with Bill Moyers and discussed all the nonsense as well as the death threats to him and his family, why nothing in the news about this? He went on Moyers show on Friday and no news. Obama when on Foxnews today and there is a shit load of stories.

What happened?

-VG

I'm watching FoxNews right now and Wright is the keynote speaker at an NAACP function that FoxNews is waiting with baited breath to cover the nanosecond Wright takes the podium....

The Billary people have put him out there and he exploded for them...now, Obama has to hold his breath and hope that Wright doesn't screw up any good will he may have in order to keep the contest at it's present level, in Indiana....
 
Hmmm. It's crazy how we have to walk on egg shells these days. Never realized we were that sensitive huh?

-VG
 
black-n-tan said:
I have to sympathize with Rev Wright. Whatever his views may be, they are his views and they should not be intertwined with Obama.

Unfortunately, it's politics we're talking about here....

black-n-tan said:
I think its mainly the fault of the press and the gullible public for buying into the relationship between the Wright's views and Obama's.

No...it's the fault of a reverend to know how powerful the spoken word is, especially to an uneducated population....

black-n-tan said:
In the meantime, the man still has to make a living and I see no reason why he should be falling on the sword for Obama because he is doing a piss poor job of defending himself.

Huh?

black-n-tan said:
Now I voted for Obama but I am starting to think if this dude can't defend himself, how da fuc is he going to defend this country?

Damn....

The Rev. Wright tactic has just been proven to be successful....
 
FoxNews just gave this ****** ANOTHER 15 minutes in which to help make Obama's campaign "famous"....

He claims he's not being "devisive"...he's being "descriptive".

That's almost like trying to explain the difference between "reason" and and "excuse"....

If it weren't so pathetic it would be funny....
 
CO-SIGN.. The Billary Campaign Tactic worked to a tee..

Unfortunately, it's politics we're talking about here....



No...it's the fault of a reverend to know how powerful the spoken word is, especially to an uneducated population....



Huh?



Damn....

The Rev. Wright tactic has just been proven to be successful....
 
Pastor Jeremiah Wright - NAACP speech

I find it interesting that the media STILL doesn't understand what he is saying.
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Re: Pastor Jeremiah Wright - NAACP speech

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Neither Hillary or McCain could have invented a better game stopper for Obama.

This guy either (A) has an agenda and is finally getting a chance to advance it;
or (B) he has been bitten by the media bug and doesn't know how to shut the
fuck up.

It doesn't matter whether what he says is true, inspiring or just what
white people need to hear; its causing Barack Obama major problems and if the
good Reverend gives a shit -- he would shut the fuck up -- hence, I am more
and more inclined to believe that he believe's HIS agenda is more important that
Barack's agenda.

And I thought Tavis was being selfish in New Orleans.

Rev. Wright is revealing himself as Rev. Wrong.

QueEx
 
Re: Pastor Jeremiah Wright - NAACP speech

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Neither Hillary or McCain could have invented a better game stopper for Obama.

This guy either (A) has an agenda and is finally getting a chance to advance it;
or (B) he has been bitten by the media bug and doesn't know how to shut the
fuck up.

It doesn't matter whether what he says is true, inspiring or just what
white people need to hear; its causing Barack Obama major problems and if the
good Reverend gives a shit -- he would shut the fuck up -- hence, I am more
and more inclined to believe that he believe's HIS agenda is more important that
Barack's agenda.

And I thought Tavis was being selfish in New Orleans.

Rev. Wright is revealing himself as Rev. Wrong.

QueEx
 
I'll try again: Reverend Right still has to make a living and I see no reason why he should sacrifice himself for Obama just because Obama is doing a piss poor job of defending himself.
Presumably, the "defending himself" comment refers to Barack defending himself against the comments MADE BY Rev. Wright. If Wright would knock it off, would there wouldn't be any need for a defense?

Wright has made some good points about politics in this country but why continue with this right now when he knows the affect it is having on Barack's campaign. Makes you wonder whether Wright really cares about the opportunity to change things (getting Obama elected) or just using the opportunity to get HIS VIEWS out there, no matter the harm they may be causing his parishioner.


In other words, what Reverend Wright does works for Reverend Wright. Is it HIS fault, Bill and Hillary are using Wright's comments against him?
If he had not made the comments, could Bill and Hillary use them ???

Should he now apologize for how he thinks and feels?
He didn't have to apologize. He could just keep his trap closed. There will be plenty of time, LATER, for Wright to issue his manifesto. Now is just not the time.

Now I don't trust Hillary and would prefer McCain to her but Bill Clinton got past a hell of a lot worse than that. Why can't Barack???
He might.

QueEx
 
I'll try again: Reverend Right still has to make a living and I see no reason why he should sacrifice himself for Obama just because Obama is doing a piss poor job of defending himself.
Presumably, the "defending himself" comment refers to Barack defending himself against the comments MADE BY Rev. Wright. If Wright would knock it off, would there wouldn't be any need for a defense?

Wright has made some good points about politics in this country but why continue with this right now when he knows the affect it is having on Barack's campaign. Makes you wonder whether Wright really cares about the opportunity to change things (getting Obama elected) or just using the opportunity to get HIS VIEWS out there, no matter the harm they may be causing his parishioner.


In other words, what Reverend Wright does works for Reverend Wright. Is it HIS fault, Bill and Hillary are using Wright's comments against him?
If he had not made the comments, could Bill and Hillary use them ???

Should he now apologize for how he thinks and feels?
He didn't have to apologize. He could just keep his trap closed. There will be plenty of time, LATER, for Wright to issue his manifesto. Now is just not the time.

Now I don't trust Hillary and would prefer McCain to her but Bill Clinton got past a hell of a lot worse than that. Why can't Barack???
He might.

QueEx
 
I'll try again: Reverend Right still has to make a living and I see no reason why he should sacrifice himself for Obama just because Obama is doing a piss poor job of defending himself.
Presumably, the "defending himself" comment refers to Barack defending himself against the comments MADE BY Rev. Wright. If Wright would knock it off, would there wouldn't be any need for a defense?

Wright has made some good points about politics in this country but why continue with this right now when he knows the affect it is having on Barack's campaign. Makes you wonder whether Wright really cares about the opportunity to change things (getting Obama elected) or just using the opportunity to get HIS VIEWS out there, no matter the harm they may be causing his parishioner.


In other words, what Reverend Wright does works for Reverend Wright. Is it HIS fault, Bill and Hillary are using Wright's comments against him?
If he had not made the comments, could Bill and Hillary use them ???

Should he now apologize for how he thinks and feels?
He didn't have to apologize. He could just keep his trap closed. There will be plenty of time, LATER, for Wright to issue his manifesto. Now is just not the time.

Now I don't trust Hillary and would prefer McCain to her but Bill Clinton got past a hell of a lot worse than that. Why can't Barack???
He might.

QueEx
 
Every time I turn around, there goes another pompous self-proclaimed pseudo-businessman/self-promoting/
congregation-dumbing/money-grabbing/lying/egomaniac/
misleading sob/weekend robber/false hope peddler........../
making my case for me.

Unfortunately, some church-going zombies/human beings are so
dumb to believe these assholes every day, especially on Sundays.

All they do is pass the plate at end and have you dump your hard earned sustainable in their greedy grubby hands, while they are busy calling you a sinner. What do you do? You come back for more, you dumb ass. Have you seen their wives lately? Where do
they work?

I could not trust any of them as far as I can throw them. They
are all the same. We have already given him too much audience. He
is not going away. My psychic power (sic), predicts a tell-all book very soon

My solution: Stop going to church. You are already blessed - You are breathing. That, is the gift. They have absolutely nothing
to offer you but false hope. It has been going on, and will continue until we are all dead.
 
The next afternoon, Mr. Obama held a news conference and denounced his former pastor’s views as “divisive and destructive,” giving “comfort to those who prey on hate.” And so, with those remarks, a tightly knit relationship finally came apart — Mr. Wright had married Mr. Obama and his wife, Michelle, and baptized their children.

Theirs was a long and painful falling out, marked by a degree of mutual incomprehension, friends and aides say. It began at the moment Mr. Obama declared his candidacy, when he abruptly uninvited his pastor from delivering an invocation, injuring the older man’s pride and fueling his anger.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/us/politics/01wright.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=wright&st=nyt&oref=slogin
 
Obama says Wright might cost him Indiana

<font size="5"><center>Obama says Wright might cost him Indiana</font size></center>

By Margaret Talev | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Friday, May 2, 2008

MUNSTER, Ind. — Barack Obama is trying his best to put the controversy over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright behind him, but he's girding for the chance that his best won't be enough when Indiana Democrats vote on Tuesday.

A survey out Friday found that the contest between Obama and Hillary Clinton is so close in the Hoosier state — and that concerns about Wright are so strong and widespread enough — that Wright just might cost Obama the primary.

Just weeks ago Obama boasted that he could win Indiana and use the victory to nail down the Democratic presidential nomination. Then this week Wright publicly renewed his claims that the U.S. government spread AIDS in the black community and invited the 9/11 attacks; that reignited the firestorm that's singing Obama, who's called Wright his pastor and friend for 20 years.

Obama conceded Friday that Wright had changed the equation for some voters.

"This is something that they will have to factor into the mix — how this thing plays itself out, I can't tell," he told reporters at a news conference Friday in Indianapolis.

While maintaining that he's struck by how "sensible" voters are, Obama also said that he now realizes that despite 15 months of nationwide campaigning, many people still don't know his record and life story well enough to decide if they can trust him or separate him from Wright.

Obama also said it came as an unpleasant revelation that Clinton and Republican John McCain could caricature him as an "elitist, pointy-headed intellectual" and have that image stick with some people. That, and his own remarks about "bitter" working-class voters, forced the biracial Harvard Law graduate, son of a single mom, to defend himself as a regular guy. It may also have helped him lose Pennsylvania's primary last week by 9.2 points.

"What we've been trying to do is to make sure we refocus on what matters to people," Obama said. "I think the American voters don't want a whole bunch of drama. What they're looking for is, can you solve my problems? Or can you help me so that I can solve my own problems? And as a consequence of events, we weren't able to spend a lot of time over the last week talking about that."

A new Zogby poll of likely Democratic voters released Friday found the contest in Indiana tied at 42 percent, with many voters still undecided. The survey also found that 21 percent of likely Democratic voters there were less likely to back Obama because of Wright.

In northern parts of the state, closer to Obama's hometown of Chicago, this appeared to be less of a problem. In southern Indiana, more white and conservative, the Wright factor seemed more pronounced.

In North Carolina, which also votes Tuesday and where Obama is favored to win largely because black voters are more numerous there, the survey found Wright less a factor.

But Indiana's verdict may hinge on how many voters Wright costs Obama.

In interviews across the state this week, many white voters turned off by Wright acknowledged that they probably would have voted for Clinton anyway.

Joe Cass, 54, a truck driver attending a Studebaker owners' rally in South Bend on Thursday, said that Obama's breaking with his pastor just before an election seemed too convenient — and that Wright would haunt Obama all the way to November if he gets the nomination.

"All Obama's got to do is let his preacher keep talking — he'll destroy him," Cass said. His two buddies agreed.

But when pressed, all three men said they'd been for Clinton from the start and thought her experience as former first lady put her over the top.

There's also little evidence that Obama supporters will abandon him because of Wright.

Wright "means nothing to me," said Pam Adkins, 57, also white, who tailed Obama's motorcade for 35 miles for a chance to meet him.

Several union members attending an Obama speech at the Munster Steel Company on Friday said they were still undecided between Obama and Clinton — and insisted that Wright won't be a factor in their decision.

But Steve Shallenberger of Kokomo, an electrician and union official, said that Obama's long friendship with Wright is central to why he'll go with Clinton.

"If that's the background he comes from," Shallenberger said, "that worries me."

Sarah Williams, a court reporter from Brownsburg, agreed: "It does matter."

(Steven Thomma and David Lightman contributed to this report.)

McClatchy Newspapers 2008


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/35681.html
 
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<font size="5"><center>Wright Controversy Affects the Polls</font size></center>

By Michael Barone
May 03, 2008

Is the bottom falling out for Barack Obama? It's too early to say that, but there are some disturbing signs. On the positive side, superdelegates still are breaking his way. Rep. Baron Hill, whose southern Indiana district almost certainly will vote for Hillary Clinton, came out for Obama. So did fellow Hoosier Joe Andrew, who previously endorsed Clinton and who was named Democratic national chairman by Bill Clinton in the 1990s. (James Carville may have another name for him.) Obama is still well ahead among delegates chosen in primaries and caucuses, and he is not very far behind in superdelegates, either.

But what about the voters? Here there are some ominous signs. The latest Fox News poll, conducted after the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's appearance at the National Press Club, showed Obama's favorable/unfavorables at 63 to 27 percent among Democrats, compared to Hillary Clinton's 73 to 22 percent. Suddenly she's not the only one with high negatives. And 36 percent of Democrats say they would be disinclined to vote for Obama because of his longtime relationship with his former pastor. There's more bad news in The Pew Research Center poll of Democrats. Obama's national lead among Democrats is down from 49 to 39 percent to a statistically insignificant 47 to 45 percent.

These results are not outliers. The Rasmussen tracking poll showed Obama leading Clinton 49 to 41 percent before Wright spoke to the National Press Club. Afterward the numbers were 46 to 44 percent in favor of Clinton. The Gallup Poll had Obama leading Clinton 50 to 41 percent the night before the Pennsylvania primary. The results reported May 1 were Clinton 49 percent, Obama 45 percent.

Obama's standing as a general election candidate also seems to have taken a hit. Gallup showed him tied with John McCain 45 to 45 percent before the Wright appearance and trailing 47 to 43 percent afterward; at the same time, it shows Hillary Clinton tied with McCain 46 to 46 percent. Similarly, Rasmussen has McCain now ahead of Obama 46 to 43 percent and McCain tied with Clinton 44 to 44 percent.

All the numbers in this deluge of numbers tell the same story. Not just liberal but also many conservative commentators said that Obama's speech on race March 18, in response to ABC News' broadcasting of excerpts from Wright's sermons, had solved any problems he had with voters, or at least with Democratic voters. And it was hard to argue with that conclusion, at least as to Democrats. Obama's loss in Pennsylvania April 22, in line with expectations, didn't necessarily contradict that. The response to Obama's repudiation April 29, in response to Wright's remarks April 28, is clearly different.

One reason is that Obama now has taken two diametrically opposed stands on the minister whose church he attended for 20 years, who married him and his wife and baptized their children, whose sermon inspired the title of his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope." On March 18, his response was: No, I cannot renounce my pastor. On April 29, his response was: Yes, I can.

Another and more important reason is that Obama's long association with a minister who says that the federal government manufactured the AIDS virus to kill black people, who likens American soldiers to terrorists, who celebrates Louis Farrakhan as a great man -- that long association tends to undermine the central theme of Obama's candidacy. Obama has presented himself since his 2004 Democratic National Convention speech as a leader who can unite America across political and racial divides. He presented himself to American voters, most of whom, I believe, think it would be a very good thing if we elected a black president. (I personally feel that way.) "In the blue states," Obama told the convention in Boston and the nation watching on TV, "we worship an awesome God." Now it turns out that the God worshipped in the Rev. Wright's church was "awesome" in ways we didn't expect.

The appeals of Obama and Hillary Clinton will be tested in the May 6 primaries in North Carolina and Indiana, the nation's 10th- and 15th-most populous states. The Real Clear Politics average of recent polling shows Obama's share of the two-candidate vote in North Carolina at 54 percent, down from 59 percent in April, and Clinton with 53 percent of the two-candidate vote in Indiana, where she trailed not long ago. A few pundits still are saying that Obama's choice of pastor is a distraction, an irrelevancy. But some voters, perhaps in the belief that a president's judgment and values have important consequences, don't agree.

Copyright 2008, Creators Syndicate Inc.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/wright_controversy_affects_the.html
 
Re: Obama says Wright might cost him Indiana

The interesting thing is all the Rev really did was give white people, who were not going to vote for Obama anyway,the "excuse" they needed. That's really messed up.:smh::smh::smh::smh:
 
Re: Obama says Wright might cost him Indiana

I'll take both news sources with a grain of salt QueEx. If Wright has affected the vote it's unclear based on all the good news I'm reading out of Indiana for Obama just how much it's affected it. I've read several articles on Huffington, NYTimes and other spots that say folk in Indiana don't give a damn about that. But we'll see.

-VG
 
Re: Obama says Wright might cost him Indiana

He still has the lead. Clinton cannot win contests "OVERWHELMINGLY". So all this Rev. Wright propoganda is moot.
 
Re: Obama says Wright might cost him Indiana

He still has the lead. Clinton cannot win contests "OVERWHELMINGLY". So all this Rev. Wright propoganda is moot.

I really wish that Rev. Wright had kept his mouth shut. I really don't see what he was trying to accomplish. The event at the National Press Club was set up by a Clinton supporter. I'm sure he knew that and knew what he was going to say wouldn't help Barack. I fhe really believed that AIDS thing, why didn't he reference the "Tuskegee Experiment"? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but, he came off looking "bafoonish". I agree with an earlier poster that said that this Wright thing just gives people an excuse not to vote for Barack w/o having to say the real reason is because he's Black. If they're going to give the nomination to Clinton, I wish they'sd just go ahead and do it. First Barack wasn't Black enough. Now, he's too Black. WTF. Why isn't anyone bringing up the guy who gave McCain his endorsement? they guy who called the Catholic church a whore and said Katrina was God's doing? Wright is controversial but this guy's not? Oh, silly me. Wright's Black and the other guy is White.

No matter what happens, the picture in your sig Femme speaks volumes. They may steal the nomination but, they can never steal that.
 
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Re: Obama says Wright might cost him Indiana

Everyone is intent on serving their self interest.

Regardless of recent with Pastor Wright, he was going to be a factor is the remaining contests. This is in the media's best interest.

Media outlets are only relevent if they have something to say to the viewers. They keep this Wright thing alive and well to keep the anti Obama crowd energized and engaged. And the pro-Obama crowd energized and engaged.

Both sides of the Democratic party are engaged in this media orgy. Media viewership is up big time. They have even created new programming to serve this democratic election frenzy.

They are raking in the dough from advertisers because of steady daily viewership. The media outlets with suffer a huge drop in viewership within a week of announcing the democratic nominee. Their viewership won't rise again into late september which is about 6 weeks from the general election.

Now with all that said, Obama is going to use the Wright topic to excuse his possible lost in Indiana.

Hillary will use the Wright topic as a means of gathering support, votes and donations.
 
Obama Quits Church

<font size="4"><center>Barack Obama quits Trinity United Church of Christ </font size></center>

Chicago Sun-Times
BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist
June 1, 2008


WASHINGTON -- In a painful episode of his quest for the White House, likely Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama said Saturday his family withdrew their membership at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

The damage control came as his church -- and controversial sermons from the Trinity pulpit -- were increasingly becoming a target that threatened Obama's presidential bid.

"This is not a decision I came to lightly, and frankly it's one that I make with some sadness," Obama said.

Obama cut the cord to the church where he found Jesus Christ, where he was married, where his daughters were baptized--and whose pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, gave him the title of his best-seller, The Audacity of Hope -- following months of controversy, first over Wright's inflammatory rhetoric. The triggering event was the Rev. Michael Pfleger's sermon last Sunday where he ridiculed Sen. Hillary Clinton from the Trinity pulpit.

Obama and wife Michelle sent a letter Friday to Wright's successor, the Rev. Otis Moss III: "Our relations with Trinity have been strained by the divisive statements of Reverend Wright, which sharply conflict with our own views."

" ... These controversies have served as an unfortunate distraction for other Trinity members who seek to worship in peace, and have placed you in an untenable position as you establish your own ministry under very difficult circumstances."

After a day of campaigning in South Dakota, Obama called a last-minute press conference in Aberdeen after Chicago journalist Monroe Anderson, a contributor to ebonyjet.com, broke the news on his Web site that the Obamas were leaving Trinity.

A source in the Obama campaign said Obama had been having conversations with Moss for weeks over his concerns that the scrutiny the church was experiencing because of his candidacy was causing problems -- and that Trinity should not provide a platform for inflammatory rhetoric, which is exactly what happened last Sunday.

Obama joined Trinity after moving to Chicago about 20 years ago to work as a community organizer and took up the suggestion that if he was working with South Side churches, he ought to join one. That began a close relationship with Wright that ended April 29 after Obama denounced him following a Wright press conference at the National Press Club that Obama called "appalling" and a show of "disrespect" to him.

Wright surfaced as a major problem for Obama after videotapes of his sermons surfaced. one in which Wright said "God damn America." However, Obama knew Wright was a potential liability from the first day of his campaign in February 2007, when he dropped him from his campaign kickoff program in Springfield, Ill.

When Wright first became a campaign issue, Obama in March gave him "the benefit of the doubt" in delivering a major speech about race relations in Philadelphia. Obama hoped then he put the problem behind him, but he didn't.

Obama took care to praise Trinity's work to "help the hungry and homeless and people in need of medical care" and said he had "tremendous regard" for Moss.

"But it's clear that now that I am a candidate for president, every time something is said in the church by any one associated with Trinity, including guest pastors, the remarks will be imputed to me even if they totally conflict with my long held views, statements and principles," Obama said.

He then turned to Pfleger, the crusading pastor at St. Sabina's who stunned the Obama team after a videotape of Pfleger mocking Clinton last Sunday from the Trinity pulpit -- "I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show!'' was being played nonstop on cable news networks, with Moss praising Pfleger at the end.

But even before Pfleger's lapse, Obama said "It's also clear that Rev. Moss and the church have been suffering from all of the tension my campaign has visited on them. We have these news organizations harassing members at their homes and workplaces."

At his press conference, Obama was asked about whether he was denouncing Trinity.

"I am not denouncing the church. I am not interested in people who want me to denounce the church because it's not a church worthy of denouncing. And so if they've seen caricatures of the church and accept those caricatures despite my insistence that's not what the church is about, then there's not much I can do about it," Obama said.

Obama said he and Michelle would look for a new church and would sample others on Sundays. Obama said they would not make any decisions until January--implying that's when his family may be moving into the White House.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/981141,obama053108.article
 
Re: Obama Quits Church

I understand his decision ,but I don't agree with it - I wish he would stand his ground - this type of flip-flopping will hurt him come election time
 
At Obama's Former Church, Hurt Lingers

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"We are a wounded people," said
the Rev. Otis Moss III, the pastor
at Trinity United Church of Christ
in Chicago. (By M. Spencer Green
-- Associated Press)

Washington Post
By Eli Saslow and Hamil R. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, June 15, 2008; Page A01


CHICAGO -- They paraded through the summer-like heat last weekend in long dresses and suit coats, hundreds of families following the same paths that lead them to church every Sunday morning. They passed single-story houses and dilapidated parks before entering Trinity United Church of Christ on this city's South Side.

Across town, Sen. Barack Obama dressed in sneakers, jeans and a golf shirt. He was going biking with his wife and two daughters on a rare day off from the campaign. He strapped on a helmet, and his family pedaled north from their Hyde Park neighborhood, toward the big houses on the lake.


Both Sides Hurt Feelings

A vast distance separates Obama from the church he quit last month, as hurt feelings continue to fester on both sides. Obama, his patience exhausted by the most recent controversial remark from a pastor, said in late May, "Our relations with Trinity have been strained." And some of the church's 8,000 members -- as well as some other black pastors -- feel abandoned, betrayed and misunderstood after their contentious turn in the national spotlight.

This was not how it was supposed to be. Obama, the biracial presidential candidate who has pledged to unite Democrats and Republicans, rich and poor, blacks and whites, was going to provide an opening for Trinity and other black churches to shatter their stereotypes and bolster their national presence. Instead, a landslide of negative video of Trinity's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., and right-wing political attacks left Obama's former church and others like it even more marginalized and vilified.

As the controversy over Trinity crescendoed earlier this month, the church's new pastor, Otis Moss III, released a statement to his congregation: "We, the community of Trinity, are concerned, hurt, shocked, dismayed, frustrated, fearful and heartbroken. . . . We are a wounded people and our wounds, the bruises from our encounter with history, have scarred our very souls."

At the very core of its mission, Trinity seeks to reveal and broadcast racial inequalities. A product of black liberation theology, it teaches members to identify with their African roots and take pride in the African American experience. Sermons sometimes mingle biblical lessons with those learned from slavery or the civil rights movement.

Last month, when asked why he wanted to preach at Trinity, Moss said: "This is a place where the struggle continues, where you can talk about real issues. We can recognize social injustice and then take it on."

Obama has largely sought to avoid discussing race or racism during his presidential campaign, except when it comes to this country's ability to overcome it. His major speech on the issue in March was an attempt to quell controversy over Wright without making race part of his political platform. The Democrat casts himself as a unifier -- the son of a white American woman and a black African man, shaped by white, working-class grandparents and South Chicago's housing projects.

"We may have different stories," he said in March, "but we hold common hopes." And commonality, Obama often indicates, is what Americans should spend their energy discussing, instead of what he termed Wright's "divisive and destructive" rhetoric.

Because of that divide, Obama sent a letter to the church in late May tendering his family's resignation. Obama explained that it was with "some sadness" that he made the decision to leave the church where he discovered Christianity, married his wife and had his children baptized, but that he no longer felt comfortable being associated with the church's provocative rhetoric.

After Obama's decision, Trinity officials stopped speaking with the media and encouraged members to do the same. They refuse to criticize Obama, as does Moss, saying only that he will remain in their prayers.

Though several prominent pastors said Obama's decision to leave Trinity might create minor friction with some black voters, it is highly unlikely that he will lose their support. Even most Trinity members don't fault Obama, instead blaming the media and political attacks.

"It is a particular tension around him and his church and his pastor that was very public," the Rev. Jesse Jackson said. "That does not affect how he deals with the entire black church. . . . He met with a group of ministers last week. He has met with labor leaders. He has gone to college campuses. He has done my radio show."

But political and religious experts said Obama's departure from Trinity has become a symbol of the further marginalization of black churches.

"If a politician wants to move up in government, he can come to church and jump and shout," said the Rev. Barbara Reynolds, a lecturer at Howard University's School of Divinity. "But it is not okay to go to a church where they are speaking truth to power and talking about racism, sexism and capitalism."

Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor, said: "Barack Obama is running for president in a country where 70 percent of the people are white. They demand that he align himself to their dominant view."

When Obama announced his candidacy for president, Trinity expected the world to celebrate a church founded on the model of community activism that nurtured black church icons such as the Revs. Martin Luther King Jr., Ralph Abernathy and Jackson. Church leadership referred to Obama as their "chosen son."

Trinity sold his books in its bookstore and painted a stained-glass window that read: VOTE. Members talked about the possibility of sharing their pews with the first black president. On the rare occasions that Obama attended church, he sometimes received a standing ovation.

"There was a lot of pride having him there, for all of us," said Tony Johnson, a Trinity member since the early 1980s. "You could tell anyone in Chicago that you went to Trinity, and they knew about it because of him. Like, 'Oh, that's Barack's church.' . . . I don't think any of us really saw a downside to it. We had a great member in a great church doing great things. What couldn't you like?"

As Johnson monitored news of his church during the past three months, though, he found a lot not to like. Wright, the author of more than 4,000 sermons, became a public caricature through inflammatory, 30-second sound bites. He reiterated his most divisive opinions during an appearance at the National Press Club in late April. In a last-ditch attempt at damage control on May 25, Trinity invited a white Roman Catholic clergyman to take part in a "sacred dialogue on race."

The result? During his sermon, the Rev. Michael L. Pfleger mocked Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, saying she cried about Obama's candidacy because she thought: "I'm white. I'm entitled. There's a black man stealing my show."

Johnson said: "It's so frustrating to feel like all that gets talked about is these few bad things. We have so many great programs happening here, and they're ignored. It's like there are two different Trinitys: the one we know and love, and the one everybody hates and makes fun of on TV."

Said Renee Carter, another Trinity member: "Our church has received bomb threats, our members have been harassed, and our pastors have received threats on their lives."

It's a scenario Wright never imagined when he took over a dying church of 80 members in 1972 and built it into a seven-day-a-week community center with child care, couples counseling and service trips to Africa.

Trinity has drawn an economically diverse membership that includes Oprah Winfrey, rap stars and stockbrokers -- but the church never moved away from the South Side train tracks. Wright preached fiery sermons about racial inequality and the scars of slavery -- but he invited white youth groups to sit up front and listen.

Trinity's only method for recovery in Obama's absence, members said, is a renewed devotion to those same principles. But that might be complicated. Wright had planned to retire June 1 and install Moss, his hand-picked successor. However, on last weekend's service program, Wright remained listed as the senior pastor even as Moss delivered the sermon. Some church members said Wright might be interested in returning to the pulpit, and they remain unsure as to who's in charge.

During the past several months, Moss has relied on advice from his father, the Rev. Otis Moss Jr., a former pastor at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta and a friend of King.

"The black church will be fine," the elder Moss said. "But we are facing one of the most significant, one of the most challenging and one of the most opportune moments in our history. That also means we are facing one of the most dangerous moments."

Said the Rev. Al Sharpton: "Historically, the black church is the only place that we could have our voices heard. It's been the social, political and religious center of our community, and that can't change for anybody. . . . I think Barack did what he had to do, but we still cannot compromise."

Obama has come up with his own plan for moving forward: He doesn't plan to join another church, he said, until at least after the election.

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