AMC bans Universal films from its theaters over 'Trolls World Tour' spat

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AMC BANS UNIVERSAL FILMS

New York (CNN Business)AMC Theaters says it will no longer screen films made by Universal Pictures — a serious escalation of a dispute over the merits of releasing movies in theaters before allowing the public to watch them online.
AMC CEO Adam Aron announced the ban in a letter to Universal chairman Donna Langley on Tuesday, telling her that the decision was triggered by a quote NBCUniversal CEO Jeff Shell gave to the Wall Street Journal about the blockbuster digital success of "Trolls World Tour."
While the animated children's film was initially scheduled for a theatrical release, the coronavirus pandemic has made that an impossibility for now. So Universal bypassed theaters in favor of launching the movie on-demand.

'Trolls World Tour' is a digital success, but it doesn't spell the end of movie theaters

That move appears to have paid off: The studio has earned nearly $100 million in rental fees since its digital release April 10. Shell told the newspaper that the movie "exceeded our expectations and demonstrated the viability" of on-demand video.
But it was Shell's next quote that really incensed AMC, which is controlled by China's Dalian Wanda Group and owns Odeon and UCI — Europe's biggest cinema operator.
"As soon as theaters reopen," Shell added, "we expect to release movies on both formats."
The rise of streaming and video on-demand has led studios to grapple with theaters over what is known as the "theatrical window," the length of time that a movie plays in theaters before it is offered on other platforms. High-profile figures in Hollywood, including director Steven Spielberg, have spoken out about maintaining the distinction between streaming and theatrical releases, for example.
The pandemic, though, has upended the movie industry, at least temporarily. Major film studios — including Universal — have shifted some movies like The Invisible Man" and "The Hunt" to on-demand platforms, while delaying the theatrical release of potential blockbusters like the upcoming Fast & Furious film "F9" as businesses and governments attempt to stop large crowds from gathering and potentially spreading the disease.

In the letter, which AMC also released publicly, Aron said the movie giant accepted Universal's decision to release "Trolls" digitally as an "exception" in "unprecedented times."
But he said Shell's remarks about releasing movies on "both formats" as theaters reopen represented a "radical change" to the business model that "represents nothing but downside for us and is categorically unacceptable" to AMC.
"Effectively immediately AMC (AMC) will no longer play any Universal movies in any of our theaters in the United States, Europe or the Middle East," he said, adding that the policy is "not some hollow or ill-considered threat."
Aron added that the theater chain isn't trying to punish Universal specifically, but will apply the ban to "any movie maker who unilaterally abandons current windowing practices absent good faith negotiations between us, so that they as distributor and we as exhibitor both benefit and neither are hurt from such changes."
Universal, meanwhile, disputed Aron's interpretation. The film studio said in response to the AMC letter that it "absolutely" believes in the theatrical experience and "have made no statement to the contrary."
"Our goal in releasing 'Trolls: World Tour'" on demand "was to deliver entertainment to people who are sheltering at home, while movie theatres and other forms of outside entertainment are unavailable," a Universal spokesperson said in a statement. "Based on the enthusiastic response to the film, we believe we made the right move."
The company said that it expects to release films directly to theaters in future, as well as on-demand "when that distribution outlet makes sense." It added that it looks forward to having "additional private conversations with our exhibition partners" and it was disappointed in the attempt "to confuse our position and our actions."

AMC already on the verge of bankruptcy and they want to ban somebody. Theaters are becoming obsolete to Streaming at home, hell my home entertainment system way better than most theaters anyway.
 
LOL...Universal trying to b slick n AMC called them on their slick shit..

Troll was a test run on the low....

AMC like y`all trying to cut out the middle man eventually ..foh ..we c thru the bullshit... :lol:

hey win win for us ...jus means new releases b in BGOL theaters sooner....:D
 
They made 100 million off that Troll VOD. And that's with the same copy being available for pirates. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

AMC and them pissed. :lol: Think about date night. You already got the chick on your fucking couch.

The theater concept is just dated as fuck.

Theaters can make a killing with merchandise bundling. Folks can spend that popcorn/drink/candy money on the merchandise for the kids. They still save a lot of money and studios make that much more.
 
They made 100 million off that Troll VOD. And that's with the same copy being available for pirates. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

AMC and them pissed. :lol: Think about date night. You already got the chick on your fucking couch.

The theater concept is just dated as fuck.

Theaters can make a killing with merchandise bundling. Folks can spend that popcorn/drink/candy money on the merchandise for the kids. They still save a lot of money and studios make that much more.

the world as we know it literally changing right before our eyes...

if things keep going this way, you can kiss the movie theatre as we know it goodbye..

they gonna have to bring a whole new experience....

I have ideas but I aint sayin that shit online for free...
 
talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face
i see where both parties are coming from

i dont have a problem with universal releasing trolls to vod but once we get back to normal they should stick to theatrical release windows.
if not movie theatres will go out of business. its tough as is to get ppl to go. Universal trying to have its cake and eat it to
 
They made 100 million off that Troll VOD. And that's with the same copy being available for pirates. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

AMC and them pissed. :lol: Think about date night. You already got the chick on your fucking couch.

The theater concept is just dated as fuck.

Theaters can make a killing with merchandise bundling. Folks can spend that popcorn/drink/candy money on the merchandise for the kids. They still save a lot of money and studios make that much more.
Spent almost $200 to see BP with the grand kids 1st time I had been to the theater in years. Theater concept is way out dated especially since you can't get 4K/HDR in theaters.
 
fuck the theaters. and i love the theaters. i am there every weekend.

BUT if they release movies direct to video i will happily watch them shits on my 75 inch 4k with 7.1 discrete sound.

theaters overcharge for everything and i pay it because i love going to the movies. but i have nearly as good an experience at the crib. fuck em.
 
Spent almost $200 to see BP with the grand kids 1st time I had been to the theater in years. Theater concept is way out dated especially since you can't get 4K/HDR in theaters.

i agree with you on all but the last.

yes you can get dolby atmos 4k (HDR competitor) at amc via dolby cinema with excellent sound that can not be replicated at home. i have a very nice system but it is not dolby cinema.

 
Googled and read through over a dozen similar articles and this one IMO was the most current, clear and informative. You're welcome! :yes:
A peek behind the curtain at movie ticket prices


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It’s Friday, and date night has finally arrived. At the theater, you get settled into your seat, waiting for the movie to begin. Mid-popcorn munch, your date turns to you and asks how much he owes you for tickets and snacks.

As you begin to do the mental math — $40 for tickets, $25 for snacks, $20 for drinks — you realize you’ve spent close to $100 on a night out at the movie theater.

At a time when we have more movie screens than ever before, we ask the question: How did we get here?

Breaking down the cost

“Last year, we had a record year at the box office, with $11.85 billion in revenue and about 1.3 billion tickets sold,” Patrick Corcoran, vice president of the National Association of Theatre Owners, said.

Blockbusters like “Black Panther” and “Incredibles 2” broke box office records in 2018, making over $700 billion and $600 billion respectively.

2018 was also a record-breaking year for movie ticket prices, which averaged $9.11 in the United States.

But are ticket prices as high as they seem?

“It is in nominal terms, but in terms of the actual cost of it adjusted for inflation, it’s actually less expensive to go to movies now than it was 40 years ago,” Corcoran said. A movie ticket in 1978 was $2.34. However, that ticket would cost $9.41 in 2018 dollars, according to NATO.

While the final cost of tickets are determined by movie theaters, pricing can vary depending on multiple factors, said Jonathan Kuntz, UCLA professor of American fIlm history, including the city the theater is located in and what run the film is in.

The NATO average ticket price includes theaters from markets around the country, from the relatively inexpensive theaters in rural communities to major metropolitan theaters in areas such as Los Angeles and New York.

Where does it all go?

Corcoran, vice president of NATO, said about 52-56 percent of ticket sales go back to the studios, leaving the theater with the remainder.

The longer the movie stays in the theater however, the more money theaters get to keep. But in today’s movie landscape, according to Kuntz, a movie makes the most money during the first week of release. By the time it’s reached its third or fourth week, it has essentially “reached the end of its theatrical run.”

Movie tickets however, don’t generate enough revenue for movie theaters to function off alone. That’s where concessions and advertising come into the picture.

Theaters, Kuntz said, are happy to break even on ticket sales if it allows them to “sell the marked up or overpriced popcorn, soda and hot dog.”

Let’s all go to the movies

Technology is driving a growing number of competitive content platforms like Netflix, making it hard for movie theaters to fill seats. Technology, Kuntz said, has led to a “quixotic battle to keeping the theatrical movie experience alive.”

Over the years, according to Kuntz, movie theaters have used incentives to bring audiences in. Refreshments are one example.




In the 1970s, theaters introduced the Sensurround, which used low frequency sounds to rumble the theater. The feature was most notably used during showings of 1974’s “Earthquake,” a disaster film set in Los Angeles.




Today, incentivization looks different — witness the luxury movie house.

Large reclining seats with built-in cup holders, gourmet food options and even bars are appearing at theaters, all in hopes of bringing in bigger audiences.

“There’s all that anticipation and buildup, and all it’s really important for theater owners and companies to make that experience as pleasurable as possible,” Corcoran said.

But what adds to the experience adds to the bottom line.

“Because you’re offering a premium experience — audience expectations are for the latest and greatest technology,” Corcoran said. “Audiences are willing to pay more for a particular experience.”

Premium seating can be part of that experience. Theater company IPIC offers chaise lounges sold in pairs, where moviegoers can “lie down and relax in full recline position with a front row seat to the big screen,” the website boasts.

And the price for comfort in one of these lounges? In Los Angeles, $40 for two seats, plus $24 in VIP fees. In Westchester, New York and Fort Lee, New Jersey, chaise lounges cost $30.

Other theaters have taken a different approach to selling tickets.

The Blanchester Theater in Blanchester, Ohio, sells $5 movie tickets — it even offers free popcorn if you sign up for its newsletter.

Harkins Theatres, a Scottsdale, Arizona-based privately owned movie chain, sells 2D and 3D movie tickets for $6 each. Up until last year, tickets at the Tucson Harkins theaters were $5 each.

The cinematic discount Tuesday

Tuesdays are known for deals like Travel Tuesday and Taco Tuesday. But movie theaters have also capitalized on the second day of the workweek by discounting movie tickets, and it’s a tradition with roots in the Great Depression.

“It was the first real crisis movie theaters faced,” Kuntz said. “Attendance dropped as much as 40 percent.”

In order to lure guests back, theaters tested out a number of solutions, including a weekly dish giveaway and price cuts on their weakest nights — like Tuesday.

“In the most desperate of times, [movie theaters] do the most desperate of things,” Kuntz said. “And cutting prices is the most desperate thing a theater could do.”

During the 2008 financial crisis, discount Tuesdays were once again utilized by movie theaters in order to attract customers. Today, outside of the weekend, Tuesdays are the most attended day of the week, according to Corcoran.

To infinity … and beyond?

As the movie theater industry changes, film historians like Kuntz are asking themselves, “what’s next?”

“We’re in an existential battle — whether theaters are going to survive. Whether the theatrical experience is something special enough that’s going to be passed on from generation to generation,” Kuntz said.
 
LOL...Universal trying to b slick n AMC called them on their slick shit..

Troll was a test run on the low....

AMC like y`all trying to cut out the middle man eventually ..foh ..we c thru the bullshit... :lol:

hey win win for us ...jus means new releases b in BGOL theaters sooner....:D
Really don’t see movies theaters ever going away. People really enjoy the atmosphere of going to a theater than just watching at home
 
Netflix needs more 4k content w/ DTS master audio/Dolby TrueHD or higher. It's all good if you have a 5.1 setup, but I'm running a 7.2. Got FIOS so the bandwidth isn't an issue.
 
AMC is done and in no position to draw such a hard line in the sand. They're already in serious debt.

I understand the frustration w/ Universal deciding to unilaterally break the model, but this was not well thought out. In the end, consumers will go elsewhere if you aren't playing the movies they want to see. This could/should have been handled much better on both ends.
 
They made 100 million off that Troll VOD. And that's with the same copy being available for pirates. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

AMC and them pissed. :lol: Think about date night. You already got the chick on your fucking couch.

The theater concept is just dated as fuck.

Theaters can make a killing with merchandise bundling. Folks can spend that popcorn/drink/candy money on the merchandise for the kids. They still save a lot of money and studios make that much more.

Well holy hell

Did you just solve the entire death of the theatre un one post?

I think you did

Delete that sh*t work on a proper proposal and submit that fam.

I am not kidding.
 
Whether or not the idea of dinner and a movie is dated it doesnt matter to me and the wife we just wanna go out and enjoy just that
 
This was a dumb argument. It did well because it was a new kids movie during a pandemic. If they released it online at the same time as it was in theaters (with no pandemic) then I would understand. And with the Oscars blackballing movies that don't go to theaters first, they shouldn't worry too much. They just said they losing money so how the fuck can you say that certain movies are banned. They need to take what they can to stay alive for now.
 
Spent almost $200 to see BP with the grand kids 1st time I had been to the theater in years. Theater concept is way out dated especially since you can't get 4K/HDR in theaters.
Me and my youngest daughter went to the early-bird special show for Frozen 2. I still spent $40. :smh: It's just not fucking worth it if you have any good type of entertainment center.

And let's not forget another thing. Economy is changing after this AND folks going to have to social distance for the foreseeable future. Studios have a chance to FORCE a new experience on people who aren't going to have money to piss away at theaters.
 
But it was Shell's next quote that really incensed AMC, which is controlled by China's Dalian Wanda Group
o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O

Didn't know China owned AMC!

They ain't getting anymore of my fucking money!
 
This is a tough one.

On one hand, it is way more convenient not to mention safer to watch at home.

On the other hand, watching some movies in the theater really does make them more enjoyable. When I think of audience reactions during the Avengers movies, the prequel Star Wars movies, comedies, etc. that's an atmosphere you just can't get at home.
 
talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face
i see where both parties are coming from

i dont have a problem with universal releasing trolls to vod but once we get back to normal they should stick to theatrical release windows.
if not movie theatres will go out of business. its tough as is to get ppl to go. Universal trying to have its cake and eat it to
Universal is owned by Comcast. I'm sure Comcast has been dying for an opportunity to go straight to video for new releases.
 
Theaters are gonna have to find a way to amplify the casual movie goer theater experience. DBox, ipix, XD. That’s gonna have to be the norm and better for all movie goers nothing less.

I went to a movie theater that didn’t have recliner seats, WTF?! :angry: I was pissed. That should be a staple by now, every theater should have them. If theaters can’t bring that basic level of comfort to my movie watching I shouldn’t be there spending my money I can stay home and watch it on digital rental with better food and less expensive.
 
Universal is owned by Comcast. I'm sure Comcast has been dying for an opportunity to go straight to video for new releases.

universal is fucked up
they trying to have it both ways

they want the higher profit margin of releasing their movies on demand immediately but they also want to get the box office revenue (there are some ppl like myself who prefer going to the movies for blockbusters and event films)

if every studio went with this tactic most movie theatres would go out of business.
 
We all know if or when this virus shit ends I don’t care what anyone says shit is not going back to normal, a lot of people are financially fucked right now and want to get back to work 1st. Don’t know why AMC think we are going to come running back, they have already pushed movies back and now they fighting the studio :lol: Let Universal start a streaming service and just say fuck the theater model and far as awards, awards don’t equal:money:
 
We all know if or when this virus shit ends I don’t care what anyone says shit is not going back to normal, a lot of people are financially fucked right now and want to get back to work 1st. Don’t know why AMC think we are going to come running back, they have already pushed movies back and now they fighting the studio :lol: Let Universal start a streaming service and just say fuck the theater model and far as awards, awards don’t equal:money:
Americans are looking at their spending habits right now and realizing what they can live with and without.. Lot of bizz models have been coasting through life cause most consumers were naturally splurging on things due to traditions.. Right now certain bizz are finding how essential they really are.. So when America goes into reviving stages certain bizz will find out they not gonna make the cut or some are borderline and need to figure out a gimmick in order to survive... I'm actually more surprised that the barber industry is gonna make the cut and actually increase in importance level.. I thought more people were gonna adapt to the independent mindset of grooming but nope nigs out here looking like wolverine with their beards
 
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