Allen Iverson 48pts 2001 NBA Final Game 1 vs Lakers

[Rollie_Fingaz]

I'm not riding Iversons dick, but I like this cilp:

Pay attention to the look on A.I.'s face when the dude said the defense of Tyronne Lue cooled him off..

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..and yeah, I know who won the series.

 

[cranrab]

Allen Iverson 48pts 2001 NBA Final Game 1

that was a wonderful game...

and actually a great series, with basketball fans getting to watch 2 of the NBA's greatest talents battle each other in shaquille o'neal and allen iverson...

for 76ers fans, it was bittersweet because the series probably would've been different if george lynch had not been rehabilitating his injury and rushed back to play (a la TO in the superbowl).

it was reminiscent of (perhaps an ironic twist of fate?) when the fakers lost james worthy and ended up getting swept by the 76ers in 1983.

thanks for the reminder, RL, i'm going to pull that series off the shelf and take a look at it again...

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Re: Allen Iverson 48pts 2001 NBA Final Game 1

that was a wonderful game...

and actually a great series, with basketball fans getting to watch 2 of the NBA's greatest talents battle each other in shaquille o'neal and allen iverson...

for 76ers fans, it was bittersweet because the series probably would've been different if george lynch had not been rehabilitating his injury and rushed back to play (a la TO in the superbowl).

it was reminiscent of (perhaps an ironic twist of fate?) when the fakers lost james worthy and ended up getting swept by the 76ers in 1983.

thanks for the reminder, RL, i'm going to pull that series off the shelf and take a look at it again...

In Shaqs book he said, "I always said that Iverson was the best little man to play in the league. After that series, I think he is the best little man to play PERIOD. But he was by himself out thee. I felt sorry for him."

That was A.I.'s coming out party (no homo) He earned a lot of people's respect.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

BTW-The series was lost because Mutumbo was getting fucked up down low by Shaq. A.I. had to double down on him in the post and that left Fisher open. DFish averaged 19 points in that series..

 

[cranrab]

Allen Iverson 48pts 2001 NBA Final Game 1

BTW-The series was lost because Mutumbo was getting fucked up down low by Shaq. A.I. had to double down on him in the post and that left Fisher open.

of course, shaquille o'neal was putting the hurt on dikembe mutombo and todd mccullough.

but the lack of george lynch changed the complexion of the 76ers pressure D. turning up the tempo, making the game more chaotic was the game plan to get the ball out of shaquille o'neal's hands and get the fakers out of their rock steady half court O.

tyrone hill was a solid contributor, but NOT the personnel coach brown needed on the floor on EITHER end.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

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of course, shaquille o'neal was putting the hurt on dikembe mutombo and todd mccullough.

but the lack of george lynch changed the complexion of the 76ers pressure D. turning up the tempo, making the game more chaotic was the game plan to get the ball out of shaquille o'neal's hands and get the fakers out of their rock steady half court O.

tyrone hill was a solid contributor, but NOT the personnel coach brown needed on the floor on EITHER end.

I actually like the game plan the Sixers used. They pressed A LOT that series so that by the time Fisher got the ball to Shaq in the post, he didn't have time to go into his pet moves. That's when I realized how robotic and organized the triangle offense was. Kobe didn't like it because he could not freelance as much in that offense. Then again, that offense wasn't designed for him.

Brown had the blueprint, but not the players...until he got to Detroit.

The dude that got lost in that series was Eric Snow. Kobe said at the time that Snow was his toughest defender.

 

[cranrab]

Allen Iverson 48pts 2001 NBA Final Game 1

The dude that got lost in that series was Eric Snow. Kobe said at the time that Snow was his toughest defender.

i had 2 problems with eric snow:

1) his passing was poor, especially entry passes and wing passes

2) he instinctively doubled several times (instead of following the game plan) after the ball crossed the time line, and that left him over-rotated and out of position on D. there were a handful of times where his assignment was the release valve and he couldn't recover.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

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i had 2 problems with eric snow:

1) his passing was poor, especially entry passes and wing passes

2) he instinctively doubled several times (instead of following the game plan) after the ball crossed the time line, and that left him over-rotated and out of position on D. there were a handful of times where his assignment was the release valve and he couldn't recover.

And this is why they lost and Detroit didn't. Detroit at the time had the best help defense, but they knew when to stay home on their defender and when to double. If they doubled, they rotated fast or got back to their defender so they didn't get burned.

But they had the faith in Ben Wallace to let him go one on one with Shaq. Shaq didn't have a monster game, but he was contained.

 

[tp2001]

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That was one of the best performances in a NBA Finals game. He sure proved why he was MVP that year...That move he did to Tyronn Lue was sick...

 

[Bravo]

Re: Allen Iverson 48pts 2001 NBA Final Game 1

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The dude that got lost in that series was Eric Snow. Kobe said at the time that Snow was his toughest defender.

Wasn't it because Raja Bell stepped up on defense and actually did a decent job on Kobe?

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

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Wasn't it because Raja Bell stepped up on defense and actually did a decent job on Kobe?

That's true too. But Snow was the primary defender.

Now that you mention it..I didn't realize that Bell/Bryant went that far back

 

[cranrab]

Allen Iverson 48pts 2001 NBA Final Game 1

where you cats been hiding?

i LOVE discussing basketball with intelligent folks...

i still have to say that the difference was the loss of george lynch and the inability to hide tyrone hill (his substitute) on the floor after game 1.

game 1 40 minutes only 3 PFs
game 2 22 minutes 5 PFs

coach brown had no choice but to throw matt geiger and todd macculloch at shaquille o'neal because of this. what happened? shaquille o'neal almost got a QUADRUPLE double. 28 points, 20 rebounds, 9 assists, 8 blocked shots.

game 3 26 minutes 4 PFs

coach brown wasn't going to duplicate the same mistake twice and let shaquille o'neal shit on his 2nd and 3rd Cs. but who knew robert horry was going to step up so big?

game 4 21 minutes 5 PFs

coach brown grew desperate and threw a rehabilitating (but willing) george lynch into the lineup WAY BEFORE HE WAS READY.

game 5 32 VERY PRODUCTIVE MINUTES

but it was too little too late. derek fisher and rick fox stepped up big time and the series was over.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

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where you cats been hiding?

i LOVE discussing basketball with intelligent folks...

i still have to say that the difference was the loss of george lynch and the inability to hide tyrone hill (his substitute) on the floor after game 1.

game 1 40 minutes only 3 PFs
game 2 22 minutes 5 PFs

coach brown had no choice but to throw matt geiger and todd macculloch at shaquille o'neal because of this. what happened? shaquille o'neal almost got a QUADRUPLE double. 28 points, 20 rebounds, 9 assists, 8 blocked shots.

game 3 26 minutes 4 PFs

coach brown wasn't going to duplicate the same mistake twice and let shaquille o'neal shit on his 2nd and 3rd Cs. but who knew robert horry was going to step up so big?

game 4 21 minutes 5 PFs

coach brown grew desperate and threw a rehabilitating (but willing) george lynch into the lineup WAY BEFORE HE WAS READY.

game 5 32 VERY PRODUCTIVE MINUTES

but it was too little too late. derek fisher and rick fox stepped up big time and the series was over.

Well I remember when he traded Mutumbo for Ratliff right before the trade deadline because Mutumbo was a better post defender.

The problem was that you can't hand-check an offensive player when he has the ball. So they would dump the ball into the post to Shaq and Mutumbo would have to take his hand off of him. Shaq would immediatley pass the ball out and reset himself (by bumping Mutumbo halfway into the stands) before Mutumbo could react, they would throw the ball back to Shaq making the defender take his hand off of him..but by then Shaq was withing 3 feet of the basket and could turn and posterize any center on him. Shaq was MURDERING people with that play.

THAT is where Hill fucked up. He waited to late to double down. Iverson instinctively came from the top of the key to double the post when Tyrone Hill should have been the one to go over. Fisher was wide open and draining threes, and I rather give up a 2 than a three.

This is why Shaq hates being guarded by strong power forwards. They have that low center of gravity and he can't move them. He hated Zo for YEARS because of it, and that's why he hates Ben Wallace. During the Pistons Lakers series, Ben was strong enough and a good enough defender that he didn't have to get help as much.

I can see your point on Lynch though.

 

[xfactor]

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And this is why they lost and Detroit didn't. Detroit at the time had the best help defense, but they knew when to stay home on their defender and when to double. If they doubled, they rotated fast or got back to their defender so they didn't get burned.

But they had the faith in Ben Wallace to let him go one on one with Shaq. Shaq didn't have a monster game, but he was contained.

RF,

I truly believe that if the lakers werent bickering and had their head on straight they would have beaten the Detroit Pistons. Im not here to call certain players out but we all know why the lakers lost that serious.

And I wouldnt even go as far as saying Ben Wallace "contained" O'Neal. Especially when O'Neal was shooting 63% FGA and put up 27 and 11.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

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RF,

I truly believe that if the lakers werent bickering and had their head on straight they would have beaten the Detroit Pistons. Im not here to call certain players out but we all know why the lakers lost that serious.

And I wouldnt even go as far as saying Ben Wallace "contained" O'Neal. Especially when O'Neal was shooting 63% FGA and put up 27 and 11.

This is true, but Shaq had an average series and he needed something more than that.

My point is that Wallace played well enough in that series that Shaq didn't have to be doubled as much. The triangle makes you double team, and it is useless when you play man defense on it. It is also a very organized and strict offense. There are different variations of it, but it doesn't allow you to freelance.

I think Bryant stayed because he is now the focal point of the triangle offense. Otherwise he'd be playing in Denver or Chicago.

 

[Bravo]

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That's true too. But Snow was the primary defender.

Now that you mention it..I didn't realize that Bell/Bryant went that far back

Yeah. Bell made his name off of Kobe. That year he was called up from the CBA where he was playing because he was undrafted out of <sarcasm> basketball powerhouse Florida International </sarcasm>. He was just signed to a 1 year contract after a series of 10 day contracts.

Kobe did not like the fact that this no-name was guarding him well, did not back down and actually played him physical. He even scored a few points on Kobe.

 

[cranrab]

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Kobe did not like the fact that this no-name was guarding him well, did not back down and actually played him physical. He even scored a few points on Kobe.

i don't know how much credit is appropriate to give raja bell. he never got more than 20 minutes in any finals game.

i always felt that tobe was just being his typical euro self: a one dimensional chucker.

game 1: 7-22 (31.8%)
game 2: 11-23 (47.8%)
game 3: 13-30 (43.3%)
game 4: 6-13 (46.1%)
game 5: 7-18 (38.8%)

a lot of young guys were asked to step up in that finals for the 76ers and it just wasn't their time: raja bell, jumaine jones, rodney buford.

the 76ers have no reason to hang their heads. they defeated some decent squads on their way to the finals that season. milwaukee with ray allen, glenn robinson, sam cassell, toronto with vince carter, antonio davis, charles oakley, indiana with reggie miller, jermaine o'neal. plus, they did something nobody in the west could do that year: defeat the fakers in the post season.

 

[Bravo]

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i don't know how much credit is appropriate to give raja bell. he never got more than 20 minutes in any finals game.

i always felt that tobe was just being his typical euro self: a one dimensional chucker.
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a lot of young guys were asked to step up in that finals for the 76ers and it just wasn't their time: raja bell, jumaine jones, rodney buford.

the 76ers have no reason to hang their heads. they defeated some decent squads on their way to the finals that season. milwaukee ..., toronto ..., indiana .... plus, they did something nobody in the west could do that year: defeat the fakers in the post season.

Did not mean to imply that Bell shut down Bryant, just that he put himself on the map with his play in that series.

When he was on the floor, his assignment was Kobe. He did not back down or play like the scrub he was. I remember the announcers being impressed by that.

The 76ers without Lynch was doomed to failure. Shit, any Eastern Conference team was doomed. They were a scrappy team that played better than the sum of their roster.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

To be honest, when did Kobe really have a big playoff series in the triangle offense? As I said before, the triangle was built around a passing post player. When the Bulls went on their run, Jordan had the ball in the post. Kobe wanted to get the ball on the wing, face up and go one on one. How many times did Phil have to call time out and calm him down and have him stay in the context of the play?

He was so determined to get into a shootout with Rip Hamilton that is cost them the series with Detroit. That's not hate, that's real talk.

The Lakers win games when the ball runs through Lamar Odom in the post, not Kobe on the wing. That's why they're barely playing .500 ball now. That post player is why Kobe was able to go one one one now he gets the best defender put on him and get double teamed more ofter.

Look at the job that Bell, Christie and especially Bruce Bowen have done on Kobe. Yeah he gets 25-30, but whenn you have to take a lot of shots to do that, you freese out your team.

 

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