somewhere in this list is US....
1.Mbundu
2.Yoruba
3.Igbo
4.Bakongo
5.Fon
6.Mande
7.Fulani
8.Abron
9.Wolof
10.Chamba
wow....STILL no hoteps or anyone to discuss this....So, no discussion on all the black tribes here in America that qere captured and sold into slavery? They made up 60 - 80 percent of what we called slaves in America.
whatcha afraid of??whats the fucking point of this post on a porn board. yeah we know our history is not squeaky clean but damn man.. let that shit go and get back to the acceptable fukery & bullshit.
Ya know, Conspiracy_Bro I give you shit from time to time but I gotta give you props when I actually agree with you on something. lolI 2nd this. so sick of ninjas claiming every identity in africa besides west african cultures and empires.
Just my opinion, I don't think Black people have a desire to be "Jews." I think that the Jews misappropriated the lineage of the tribe of "Judah" and other "Hebrew" lines.
If Black people are Hebrew, what's wrong with saying, "We are Hebrew?"
I've said this many times on this board: White folks have classified and reclassified so-called People of Color so many times that we've lost our true identities. But now through the power of the internet and the information it's providing, we can and are discovering who we really are and what we were... and more importantly we can share it on a mass level.
Whites and Jews are the perpetrators here, it's not the people of color. If they want to make a person apologize for discovering his true lineage, shame on them.
You steal and hide my jewels from me; yet, you get angry and ask me to apologize for finding the jewels and for saying that I've found them? That's white supremacy for you.
The truth is the truth... no matter who likes it or doesn't like it.
When I think of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, I ask myself, "Why no one discusses the 'Ouidah'?" Of course that question is rhetorical.@PsiBorg whats your opinion on this topic..
somewhere in this list is US....
1.Mbundu
2.Yoruba
3.Igbo
4.Bakongo
5.Fon
6.Mande
7.Fulani
8.Abron
9.Wolof
10.Chamba
I didn't mention this because I didn't want to hijack or derail the thread.What about the American Indians so called negros, stolen from America
and enslaved in Europe...?
Most of our enslaved bruhs in the Atlantic slave trade went to the Islands..
The Majority of us WERE ALREADY HERE,
OVER 500 NATIONs....
those posing as natives now are mostly mongoloids that tried
to come down on some bully shit but were easily humbled and put
on reservations.. with TP's..
We the Original Americans lived in houses... the (Haudenosaunee so called
Iroqouis..
Name MEANS PEOPLE OF THE LONG HOUSE... and they were all
real AMERICAN KNGGAS..
the quasi indians are the mongoloids and the five dollar pseudo cac
injun paid five dollars to steal our culture LEGALLY...
dont get me started !!!
I didn't mention this because I didn't want to hijack or derail the thread.
But, there's evidence that there are native tribes here who spoke different dialects of Hebrew.
A female friend of mine just found out yesterday that her people are related to the Skarure Woccon. I think they are connected to the Tuscarora.THe Haudenosaunee were compormised of Cayuga, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Tuscarora and Seneca ...
in NYC we Aboriginal American africans, founded our own little town...
AND CALLED IT SENECA VILLAGE... so we can keep ties to OUR CULTURE
what do these wayward cacs do, take over the land, build a park over it, and call it
Central park.. till this day, every culture can have their own town from little italy to koreatown..
but our are NOT allowed to exist.. because WE ACTUALLY OWN THE FUCKIN LAND!!
but we been TRICKED into being USA citizens and NOT ABORIGINAL AMERICANS..
man dont get me started...
but chea, Cayuga, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Tuscarora and Seneca, al were part of the
Haudenosaunee CONFEDERATION.. they got kniggas HATING confederates
AND WE WERE THE CONFEDERATION the confedrate flag was OUR FLAG
EVERYTHING BEEN STOLEN FROM US!!
Most just thing its Music.. BRUH THE WHOLE FUCKIN CULTURE...
Hey you want to know whats really funny... Hebrew is a SEMETIC.. YES SEMETIC...
AFRO...yes AFRO asiatic LANGUAGE..
them muthafuckas talkin bout antisemetic
and they aint got no fuckin NAPS..
and I aint talkin bout them fake ass naps they be curling around their ears..
but chea..
All American African kniggas ARE SEMETIC...
jewish people just adopted the culture
because they didnt want to get caught up in the
muslim christian war thats been going on for fuckin ever
STILL IS TO THIS DAY...
yea dont get me started
somewhere in this list is US....
1.Mbundu
2.Yoruba
3.Igbo
4.Bakongo
5.Fon
6.Mande
7.Fulani
8.Abron
9.Wolof
10.Chamba
A female friend of mine just found out yesterday that her people are related to the Skarure Woccon. I think they are connected to the Tuscarora.
I keep telling our people, "Our story isn't simple at all." Go and do your ancestry. We are not "BLACK!" We have an origin. We have a tribe. We have a place. America is ours.
A white rascal has invaded our home, and they've tried to convince the OG owners that we have no place of origin.
The information age has backfired on them.
What about the American Indians so called negros, stolen from America
and enslaved in Europe...?
Most of our enslaved bruhs in the Atlantic slave trade went to the Islands..
The Majority of us WERE ALREADY HERE,
OVER 500 NATIONs....
those posing as natives now are mostly mongoloids that tried
to come down on some bully shit but were easily humbled and put
on reservations.. with TP's..
We the Original Americans lived in houses... the (Haudenosaunee so called
Iroqouis..
Name MEANS PEOPLE OF THE LONG HOUSE... and they were all
real AMERICAN KNGGAS..
the quasi indians are the mongoloids and the five dollar pseudo cac
injun paid five dollars to steal our culture LEGALLY...
dont get me started !!!
its interesting how MOORS or EGYPT is brought up and the hoteps make it a 10 page thread but when you bring up the ACTUAL TRIBES IN WEST AFRICA INVOLVED IN THE ATALANTIC SLAVE TRADE which mean ALL ADOS today comes from them....and its...
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no one has anything to add no info from all those hotep vids....nothing??
Total Bullshit! Do you have any links to books or articles I could validate your claims? Not youtube videos.
Yes, I do agree.Do you KNOW this pale face rascal, also bought along with him THE RAT and PIGEONS, these creatures were not here,
prior to the european infesation that poisoned our land and water...
they NEVER tell you that, all they talk about is small pox and blankets
bruh the diseases they bought over here, just came from their presence... the biological
warfare came about later when they realized this, they wanted to use this to kill us off..
BRUH this NEVER BEEN ABOUT RACISM thats MIND FUCKERY
ITS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT STEALING OUR LAND, RESOURCES AND ENERGY!!!
but this is the DAWN OF TRUTH
the spell they had on US IS BROKEN.... well for those of us that DIDNT SELL OUR SOULS...
but chea...
I started to do some research.. but Im finding out, that its really your MOTHERS LINEAGE,
and not so much your pops...
I heard the DNA thing is bullshit, they just want YOUR DATA, you can just research,
Marriage and birth certificates...
Do you agree??
Total Bullshit! Do you have any links to books or articles I could validate your claims? Not youtube videos.
I know you don't know shit.Of course
But its NOT my job to educate the ignorant!
you keep your "bullshit"
Im Good!!
Thx I'm going to check it out!Black Indian Slave Narratives
Here's just one source. If you're serious, you'll do more digging just like the rest of us has.
Telling the tale of the "Whydah'When I think of the Transatlantic Slave Trade, I ask myself, "Why no one discusses the 'Ouidah'?" Of course that question is rhetorical.
Its rare to even see or hear the word "Ouidah" today. The Ouidah as I understand it are those tribes that were in Africa who practiced Judaism (yes, they were of color). These were the primary people who were desired by the Portuguese and the Americans as slaves. And this makes sense to me. The Ouidah were the Hebrew people who fled the Middle East when the Romans started their domination of the region. They fled the Middle East, and went through Northern and Eastern Africa and settled in and around Benin.
Most of the African groups in that area were practicing Islam, so they had no issue capturing and selling the Ouidah into slavery.
Egypt prospered by having Hebrew slaves. Rome prospered by having Hebrew slave. America prospered by taking the Ouidah (Hebrew) as slaves as well.
It's interesting that they named the ship after the people and the shipping port.Telling the tale of the "Whydah'
By
- BEN JOHNSON
Published Jan. 22, 1993|Updated Oct. 8, 2005
"Describe slavery? It was barbarous, uncivilized, inhumane. All of those things. How can anybody really describe how horrible slavery was?"
_ Dr. John Hope Franklin, historian and author of From Slavery to Freedom.
"Hoist away," likely came the cry from within the bowels of the shiny, new three-masted ship. That was the signal for the crew of the Whydah to weigh anchor that clear day in early 1716. Almost immediately, the quartermaster began clanging away at the ship's bell.
Not long before, the crew had finished loading the ship. Stuffed in the hold were guns, gunpowder, cloth and gin and other liquor, all items that would bring good prices in African trading ports.
With Capt. Lawrence Prince at the helm, wind slowly filled the billowing white sails as the 300-ton, 110-foot galley eased out of the English port. Though this was the ship's maiden voyage, this was not Prince's first trip on the Triangle Trade. He well knew the treacherous waters of the Atlantic Ocean he would soon ply.
This was the newest ship from the London-based Royal African Co. Not only was it outfitted with three masts of square sails, it had "sweeps," or oars, so the crew could row the ship when the winds died. Unlike most ships this company or any other had built, this one was designed to carry a special cargo _ humans. The Why-dah (pronounced WEE-duh or WHY-duh) was a slaver _ built exclusively to carry Africans kidnapped from their homeland to the Americas to work as slaves.
From the mid-16th century to the late 19th century, an estimated 30,000 ships transported from 15- to 25-million Africans to become slaves in North America, South America and the Caribbean. Tens of millions of others died during the journey across the Atlantic Ocean, called the Middle Passage.
And what of the Whydah? "It's shrouded in mystery," said Christopher Hamilton, an Atlanta archaeologist who has researched the ship. "We don't know much about the slave part of the ship's history.
The name of the Whydah was no mystery. It was named after Ouidah (sometimes spelled Whidah), a prominent African port in what is now the country of Benin. The port was on what still is known as the Slave Coast, which runs along west equatorial Africa from the Benin River to the Volta River.
No one knows exactly what date the ship set sail for Africa on its maiden voyage. Likewise, little is known about the first leg of the planned three-part journey. What is known is that more than 250 years after that first voyage, the Whydah has become a flash point for how Tampa Bay residents feel about the subject of slavery.
Multimillionaire developers Roland Betts and Tom Bernstein want to build a pirate complex alongside the Tampa Aquarium, now under construction. A full-scale model of the ship is to be the centerpiece of the proposed $70-million Whydah Pirate Complex that would employ 350 people.
In the nearly 10 years since the wreckage was discovered off the coast of Massachusetts, the ship's history has been examined. But most of that research centered around the last six months of its estimated 16-month life: the pirate part, not the slave part. The pirate part is the stuff of New England folklore and legend. The slave part is the stuff that's been forgotten. Now that slave part has loosed a flood of emotions.
Mention that one word _ slavery _ and all manner of negative feelings surface: anger, hostility, embarrassment, mistrust, disgust, discomfort, even hate. All of those sentiments were evident Jan. 14 during a public meeting about the project held at Tampa's St. Paul AME Church. Project critics complain that there's no way an entertainment facility like the pirate complex can adequately explain the horrors of slavery.
"It's like having a toilet in your living room. It's atrocious for our history to be seen in an amusement park."
_ Patrick Shelby, Tampa resident and pirate complex critic.
Even so, the panel of black scholars hired to examine the project's efficacy and sensitivity issued a qualified endorsement. Too little is known about slavery and the slave trade, they said. This complex could help tell a part of it much as Holocaust museums tell an equally horrific story.
"I see the slave trade in the same way I see the Jewish Holocaust. One cannot glorify it. One cannot build a monument to those who tortured. But one can build a monument to those who suffered."
_ Kofi Glover, University of South Florida associate professor and a member of the black scholars team that examined the Whydah proposal.
Just what was slavery?
In the Whydah context, slavery was the provision of free workers to satisfy the insatiable labor demand in the emerging agrarian society of the New World. This free labor mostly came from West Africa. Once captured and taken to North or South America, slaves largely worked on farms or plantations, growing cash crops such as cotton, tobacco, sugar and hemp. The slave labor played an important part in the development of the Americas, particularly the United States. The free labor released capital for other uses, including the colonization of Africa, and spurred the development of the Industrial Revolution.
And what was the Whydah's role in the highly profitable slave trade? There are few specifics on when the Whydah sailed to Africa and what happened en route and in port there.
Among the more than 100,000 artifacts recovered from the shipwreck are 18th-century gold jewelry pieces from the Akan people, the only known existing examples. If the jewelry was from the Whydah's first trip to Africa and not loot seized from other ships, this suggests the Whydah may have docked in Ghana, perhaps the port city of Accra.
Accounts from other ships and explanations by historians provide a general look at what likely occurred during the trip. The trip was divided into three distinct parts: From Europe to Africa, from Africa to the Caribbean and from there back to Europe. Hence, the nickname of the Triangle Trade for the Atlantic slave trade. Here's how it worked:
First part: A ship was loaded in a European port with fare to trade in west African ports. The ships made their way south along the African coast, taking care to avoid the swift currents that could dash a careless ship into the rocky reefs. The ships' destination to trade for human beings extended thousands of miles along the west African coast, from Senegal to Angola and encompassed what is still called the Grain Coast, the Ivory Coast, the Gold Coast and the Slave Coast.
Once anchored at a port or just offshore, the crew traded with tribal kings or the kings' agents for Africans, generally the spoils of war captured from other villages during tribal conflicts. Contrary to many perceptions, Africans taken as slaves were not savages. They came from well-developed societies as old as _ and sometimes older than _ those in Europe.
They were Asante, Fon, Ibo, Yoruba, from kingdoms such as Dahomey, Benin, Ife, Oyo. Those taken to become slaves were farmers, merchants, wood workers, builders, basket weavers, brick masons, iron workers, doctors, priests, artists, scholars, laborers, singers, musicians, dancers and even a tribal king or two.
Second part: The ship loaded with Africans and other goods raced to the Caribbean to "seasoning" centers where the Africans could be "broken" for use as slaves, or straight to ports in the North or South America.
Cargo space was carefully calculated to stuff as many Africans as possible into the ship's holds. With a good field hand bringing as much as $1,200 during the mid-18th century, more Africans meant greater profit.
The Africans were jammed into the dark low-ceilinged holds of the ship. To maximize the ship's space, there was barely room for sitting or squatting. They were shoehorned in, sometimes with one person's head resting between the legs of the person above him. Smaller women and children were crammed in the spaces between the men. They all had to lie on the floor for much of the ocean voyage.
The Africans were chained ankle-to-ankle and wrist-to-wrist. Moving even a few inches often required the cooperation of the person chained to you. The Africans relieved themselves where they lay. Feces and urine were washed away every few days after the stench became unbearable.
This second leg was the most difficult and took the most time: 35 to 80 days. This is also where an inexperienced ship's captain could lose much of his cargo. Africans desperate to be free sometimes jumped overboard, committing suicide. Others died of disease or after unmerciful floggings or even shootings by crew members trying to keep order on the crowded ship.
"The closeness of the place, and the heat of the climate, added to the number in the ship, which was so crowded that each had scarcely room to turn himself, almost suffocated us. The shrieks of the women and the groans of the dying, rendered the whole a scene of horror almost inconceivable.
"One day, when we had a smooth sea and moderate wind, two of my wearied countrymen who were chained together, preferring death to such a life of misery, somehow made through the nettings and jumped into the sea."
_ Gustavus Vassa, a former slave, describing the Middle Passage in his autobiography.
Third part: After unloading the ship in the Caribbean or the states, the captain collected his payment in cash and other items prized in Europe such as sugar, rum and lumber. With the ship loaded again, the crew headed back to its original European port. There the goods were sold, accounts settled and the ship's owner netted a neat profit that could run two to three times and sometimes as high as 10 times the original investment.
Despite the best plans of the Whydah's owners (who remain unknown) and Capt. Prince, the ship completed just two stages of its planned three-part trip. The ship sailed into Kingston, Jamaica, in November 1716. On board were 420-500 Africans and 10,000 elephant teeth. After the ship was unloaded and all accounts settled, Prince and his crew pointed the ship toward England. On board was a cargo of sugar, indigo (a dye) and cascarila (a bark used as a tonic and for incense).
But in January 1717, somewhere between Hispaniola and Cuba, the ship ran into two pirate ships led by Samuel Bellamy. Without firing a shot, Bellamy's band commandeered the ship and the Whydah became the pirate's flag ship. In an ironic twist, the Whydah's crew was a multinational, multiracial one. It was not uncommon for some of the crew of a captured ship and even some captured Africans to sign on as pirates. And democracy reigned on the ship where each pirate had a vote in the ship's affairs.
For the next six months, Bellamy and his marauders roamed the New England coast, looting from 10 to 52 ships. When the ship ran aground and then sank off Cape Cod on April 26, 1717, it contained gold, silver, coins and other booty worth millions. More than 100 men died when the ship sank. Only eight survived. They were tried in October 1717; six were hanged.
But the story of the Whydah lives on. As a pirate ship. As a slave ship. And it's a story that should be told, accurately and sensitively, according to a growing number of supporters.
"There is nothing in our history so traumatic as the brutal and inhumane enslavement of millions of African people. Uprooted from the continent of Africa and transported across the seas, our people have experienced our own holocaust and we believe that the accurate and realistic portrayal of our suffering and survival is essential for human understanding and progress."
_From the preamble to the black scholars report on the Whydah.
_ Sources: A Slaver's Log Book, by Capt. Theophilus Conneau, Prentice-Hall, 1976; Africa and Africans in the Making of the Atlantic World, 1400-1680, by John Thorton, Cambridge University Press, 1992; From Slavery to Freedom, by Dr. John Hope Franklin, 1988, Encyclopedia Britannica, World Book Encyclopedia.
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Telling the tale of the "Whydah'
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