A white womans hair is no better than your NATURAL hair sister

Rick Ronson

Banned
That's real talk:yes:

And expensive white designer shit doesn't validate you :smh:

I just want yall to know that I love yall even though yall dont like darkskin
nappy hair and wide noses you have to admire a man who hasnt been
made to feel ashamed of his natural self and rolls with confidence.

especially if they made you feel inferior about yours.

:yes:
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xoxoxoxoxo
 
You ever seen Barry White with "natural" hair???


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I think there is very, very few women on here who wear their hair naturally, which is a crying shame.





To the women who appreciate what God gave them, props :yes:
 
I think there is very, very few women on here who wear their hair naturally, which is a crying shame.





To the women who appreciate what God gave them, props :yes:

Forgive me for chemically straightening my hair then :rolleyes:

What kills me is the people who try to look down upon others for their personal choices... Black women who may wear their hair "natural," but then chemically color it, use harsh chemicals on their nails, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, etc. are making just as "risky," "irresponsible" choices as if they were chemically straightening their hair...

My thing is do what makes you happy...I don't have the time of day to concern myself with what other women - or men - consider to be real or fake. I like my hair, and prefer to wear it as such right now. My best friend has naturally straight hair (and she's black), and she enjoys it. My other homegirl has locks, and she enjoys it...

People need to understand that their choices, believe it or not, aren't a reflection of shunning their black pride or assimilating to the white standard of beauty. Sometimes, you just make decisions because it's what you WANT to do...DAMN!
 
To the OP:

Thanks for the uplifting post.

I came across this on another board (don't remember which) and I think this gives some insight about the self-perception of our hair that you mentioned that many in the diaspora still hold on to.

The Origin of "Nappy"

I'm currently enrolled in a thought provoking course titled, "Insurgency and Globalization". During class, the word nappy was the subject of a brief conversation. Radio personality Don Imus erupted controversy when he referred to the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy headed hoes". Since then, Imus' radio talk shows have been dismissed by MSNBC and CBS. But, his words ignited debates and conversations about the origin of "nappy".

Growing up, the word meant course, thick hair, not straight. Many young girls use the term, not knowing where it derived from. (I must also admit, growing up, I too didn't know the word's origin.) As a result of ignorance, girls have internalized society's measurements of beauty. They think their natural hair texture isn't good enough. It's sad that a demeaning concept "nappy" causes young women to over process their hair. They walk around with damaged hair and bruised souls, trying to assimilate into a culture of fear, hatred and greed.

The word nappy was originated by Europeans to demean women of African decent. As my college friend eloquently wrote:

The concept of nappy [is] actually [a] creation by a Eurocentric power structure, which sought to on one hand portray black women as sexual “mules” (hoes) and on the other hand to demonize and dehumanize Afrikan people (nigga). Nappy headed, as a concept, is also European in its construction because European people decided that they also had to demonize the physical characteristics of Afrikan people. Their hair was one of them. Therefore, they called it nappy, which was supposed to be bad. This isn't just an American phenomenon. It happened everywhere Afrikan people were exploited by colonialism, imperialism and slavery. One such place was Kenya - the way the British viewed the Mau Mau. I don't believe I have to go in-depth historically for us to understand that the demonization of Afrikan people was done by Europeans as a ploy to justify their actions.

Today, women are ignoring the status quo and accepting the true essence of their natural beauty. They are walking embodiments that illustrate, "Black is beautiful." Although I straighten my hair, I value and respect women who choose to wear their hair natural. They represent the motherland's beautiful origins.

Salaam,
E. Tanille
 
Forgive me for chemically straightening my hair then :rolleyes:

What kills me is the people who try to look down upon others for their personal choices... Black women who may wear their hair "natural," but then chemically color it, use harsh chemicals on their nails, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, etc. are making just as "risky," "irresponsible" choices as if they were chemically straightening their hair...

My thing is do what makes you happy...I don't have the time of day to concern myself with what other women - or men - consider to be real or fake. I like my hair, and prefer to wear it as such right now. My best friend has naturally straight hair (and she's black), and she enjoys it. My other homegirl has locks, and she enjoys it...

People need to understand that their choices, believe it or not, aren't a reflection of shunning their black pride or assimilating to the white standard of beauty. Sometimes, you just make decisions because it's what you WANT to do...DAMN!

:yes:
 
I posted this in another thread a while ago. So I'm posting it here as I see it is fitting. Let me first say, whatever you do is your business...and it doesn't matter what you think, but that you think, critically and make informed choices. When I was little girl, I didn't even know the texture of my hair, I didn't know what was in relaxers, I didn't know a lot... Just like I didn't know what was in processed food, what ingredients on the back of products meant. But now that I am older I feel that knowing better is doing better...and a lot of us just don't know...so how can we do better? Some of us think we know...so again, how can we do better? This is in no way trying to slight anyone or their choices...

Let me try to explain it this way.... The Shwastica(sp?) the Nazi symbol was used a symbol of hatred.... The White hats that the KKK wear is a symbol or tool used to denote hatred. The confederate flag was used a symbol to represent hate... The use of the word n*gger originated as symbol of hatred.'

Language, flags, behavior can all indicate hate..


Relaxers were originated because people of color were trying to be more right by being more white and assimilate into a culture and society that hated them and told them they were inferior. SO the origins of relaxers are symbol of what it meant to black in America, you are not good enough, inferior, and you need to be more like us.

So mothers and daughters alike (even men, think Malcolm X) took part in what has really become a tradition of relaxing your hair because whites told you it was inferior, not manageable, and therefore not acceptable...

This traditions has been passed along so much that people think they do it because they prefer it, they like it, and it has nothing to do with self-hatred (like enjoying slave food: eating pig intestines, left-over slop, and pork skins, pig feet)..

This is what I mean about the psychological effects of enslavement; it has you thinking that you prefer things, that the result of slavery introduced to your ancestors hundreds of years ago (i.e. the never ending light skinned "preference" debate)...

So just like the NAzi symbol, confederate flags, and use of the word ******, conjure of feelings of hate for a group of people...so does chemically altering the molecular structure of your hair, when it indeed originated from a place of hatred..

So just like if you saw someone with KKK white hat on their head and they told you, it doesn't mean they hate blacks, they just do it cause they like to do it, you would say it was bull shit.. especially if you knew their immediate relatives all took part in this type of hating behavior...

The reason why people don't see relaxing as form of hatred is because they see it as a choice...Just like there is no way to take back the word n*gger and use in it a good way without the feelings of know where and why it was first used emerging, there is no way to take back relaxers and not still think of where it came from...

If someone carried around the confederate flag (a symbol) on their head, would u say it meant nothing? It is not about intent, even if they told you they loved blacks, it is about the symbolism...hence the symbolism of the relaxer...
 
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I posted this in another thread a while I do. So I'm posting it here as I see it is fitting. Let me first say, whatever you do is your business...and it doesn't matter what you think, but that you think, critically and make informed choices. When I was little girl, I didn't even know the texture of my hair, I didn't know what was in relaxers, I didn't know a lot... Just like I didn't know what was in processed food, what ingredients on the back of products meant. But now that I am older I feel that knowing better is doing better...and a lot of us just don't know...so how can we do better? Some of us think we know...so again, how can we do better? This is in no way trying to slight anyone or their choices...

Let me try to explain it this way.... The Shwastica(sp?) the Nazi symbol was used a symbol of hatred.... The White hats that the KKK wear is a symbol or tool used to denote hatred. The confederate flag was used a symbol to represent hate... The use of the word n*gger originated as symbol of hatred.'

Language, flags, behavior can all indicate hate..


Relaxers were originated because people of color were trying to be more right by being more white and assimilate into a culture and society that hated them and told them they were inferior. SO the origins of relaxers are symbol of what it meant to black in America, you are not good enough, inferior, and you need to be more like us.

So mothers and daughters alike (even men, think Malcolm X) took part in what has really become a tradition of relaxing your hair because whites told you it was inferior, not manageable, and therefore not acceptable...

This traditions has been passed along so much that people think they do it because they prefer it, they like it, and it has nothing to do with self-hatred (like enjoying slave food: eating pig intestines, left-over slop, and pork skins, pig feet)..

This is what I mean about the psychological effects of enslavement; it has you thinking that you prefer things, that the result of slavery introduced to your ancestors hundreds of years ago (i.e. the never ending light skinned "preference" debate)...

So just like the NAzi symbol, confederate flags, and use of the word ******, conjure of feelings of hate for a group of people...so does chemically altering the molecular structure of your hair, when it indeed originated from a place of hatred..

So just like if you saw someone with KKK white hat on their head and they told you, it doesn't mean they hate blacks, they just do it cause they like to do it, you would say it was bull shit.. especially if you knew their immediate relatives all took part in this type of hating behavior...

The reason why people don't see relaxing as form of hatred is because they see it as a choice...Just like there is no way to take back the word n*gger and use in it a good way without the feelings of know where and why it was first used emerging, there is no way to take back relaxers and not still think of where it came from...

If someone carried around the confederate flag (a symbol) on their head, would u say it meant nothing? It is not about intent, even if they told you they loved blacks, it is about the symbolism...hence the symbolism of the relaxer...

Every now and again, there are gems like this that make not imploding SOL once and for all seem reasonable. :yes:
 
This traditions has been passed along so much that people think they do it because they prefer it, they like it, and it has nothing to do with self-hatred (like enjoying slave food: eating pig intestines, left-over slop, and pork skins, pig feet)..

This is what I mean about the psychological effects of enslavement; it has you thinking that you prefer things, that the result of slavery introduced to your ancestors hundreds of years ago (i.e. the never ending light skinned "preference" debate)...

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You hit the nail on the head. As my grandfather says, "because I want to" isn't really an answer. Why you want to is the true explanation.

I've had this same conversation with friends and they still don't get or at least act like they don't get it.
 
Because I want to is not my reason and all the things ID posted I already knew. Regardless of how anyone feels about relaxers,it is ultimately my decision whether anyone agrees with it or not. If people want to judge me because of it,so be it. I have worn my hair both ways, I dont look down on people with natural hair,nor tell them the way they wear their hair is wrong.
 
Exactly.............
Because I want to is not my reason and all the things ID posted I already knew. Regardless of how anyone feels about relaxers,it is ultimately my decision whether anyone agrees with it or not. If people want to judge me because of it,so be it. I have worn my hair both ways, I dont look down on people with natural hair,nor tell them the way they wear their hair is wrong.
 
So because relaxers are "symbols of self-hatred" it makes it okay for you to hate/look down upon those who chose to use it? :smh:

I don't think it makes it right for anyone to look down on anyone's personal choices... That's why I said I could care less what people do, just as I do in my hair thread...it doesn't say natural hair can grow, it says black hair can..because it can regardless of having relaxed or natural hair. But I did want to explain how and why relaxers got to be so controversial..

I agree with SS, in fact, I liked that she said that she knew those things and made an informed choice, which is how we all should deal with all facets of our lives.. If someone knows that smoking cigarettes increases the likelihood of them developing lung cancer, and the other health problems associated with it, at least they are making an informed choice..., some people live for years healthy as an ox and have smoked damn near their entire lives..and at the end of the day it is their lungs not ours
 
There are alot of things people do to their hair,nails,and body that are unhealthy. I dont understand your point.


because this thread is about hair......not nails and body.

Sodium Hydroxide is highly toxic to hair. Which is the main focus of this thread.
 
because this thread is about hair......not nails and body.

Sodium Hydroxide is highly toxic to hair. Which is the main focus of this thread.

And whats your point,you are coming off as judgmental in this thread,why? I dont see why it bothers anyone anyway
 
That's real talk:yes:

And expensive white designer shit doesn't validate you :smh:

I just want yall to know that I love yall even though yall dont like darkskin
nappy hair and wide noses you have to admire a man who hasnt been
made to feel ashamed of his natural self and rolls with confidence.

especially if they made you feel inferior about yours.

:yes:

because this thread is about hair......not nails and body.

Sodium Hydroxide is highly toxic to hair. Which is the main focus of this thread.

The thread is about self - hatred of ourselves really.. The OP said "even if you don't like dark skin, wide noses and nappy hair" . the OP's should be shot for his backward ass compliment anyway...

"Yes.. I love you woman, even if you don't love yourself for these reasons, so let me go admire these women fake ass breast and asses because they really do love themselves. Oh, and because I'm confident with mine, I rock!! "

STFU!!

He essentially started this thread and now we are talking about natural hair v processed hair -- AGAIN!!

How can you expect people to have self-love when people want to devalue their beauty all the time. Or when a standard of 'beauty' becomes so unrealistic that they feel the only way to achieve it is through alteration of the self? And the ones who decide NOT to subscribe to the idea of "mainstream" beauty are 'haters' and "whack"

annoyed I am
 
How can you expect people to have self-love when people want to devalue their beauty all the time. Or when a standard of 'beauty' becomes so unrealistic that they feel the only way to achieve it is through alteration of the self? And the ones who decide NOT to subscribe to the idea of "mainstream" beauty are 'haters' and "whack"

annoyed I am

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tasty. Alteration of the self woo!:dance:
 
Because I want to is not my reason and all the things ID posted I already knew. Regardless of how anyone feels about relaxers,it is ultimately my decision whether anyone agrees with it or not. If people want to judge me because of it,so be it. I have worn my hair both ways, I dont look down on people with natural hair,nor tell them the way they wear their hair is wrong.

Exactly.............

So because relaxers are "symbols of self-hatred" it makes it okay for you to hate/look down upon those who chose to use it? :smh:

I don't think ID was "hating" on people who chose to relax their hair, she was just breaking down the origin and sociological implications (in the context of a racial inferiority complex) of blacks that have naturally curly or so-called kinky hair, who chose to chemically relax their hair to straighten it.

Nothing novel here and I'm pretty sure everyone on this board is already aware of this. However, I can understand the reason some viewed the "break-down" as being overtly (or perhaps covertly) critical.


"But now that I am older I feel that knowing better is doing better...and a lot of us just don't know...so how can we do better? Some of us think we know...so again, how can we do better?"

This comment here, at least IMO, appears to be suggestive of taking action to as opposed to complacence regarding correcting a fault. The preamble:

"Let me first say, whatever you do is your business...and it doesn't matter what you think, but that you think, critically and make informed choices."

to me, doesn't gel with the rest of the text because the reason we think "critically" is so that we can, like she said, "make informed choices" and subsequently take action. If not, why even bother "informing" yourself especially on an issue as unambiguous and discernible? Perhaps I'm the only one that sees the redundancy here.:confused::dunno:

And in this case the "information" that was so eloquently delineated was in regards to self-hatred versus psychological and physiological emancipation. Right?
And I say "self-hatred" in reference to the Nazi Swastika analogy that was presented ... which I think is a ridiculous stretch and utter hyperbole. In that case, relaxing hair is as much a "symbol of hate" as is saluting the US Flag, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance or keeping your European slave name.

Again, my only comment here is consistency. The disclaimer at the beginning completely contradicts the argument presented.

I'm aware that topics like this are sensitive ... clearly. I can understand how empathy can influence one's argument.

Personally, whatever means someone adopts to cosmetically modify their appearance is absolutely no concern of mine unless it's directly physically affecting me - which is hardly ever the case. Consequently, the origins and social implications of this, for me, are purely academic. Nothing more
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I agree with SS, in fact, I liked that she said that she knew those things and made an informed choice, which is how we all should deal with all facets of our lives.. If someone knows that smoking cigarettes increases the likelihood of them developing lung cancer, and the other health problems associated with it, at least they are making an informed choice..., some people live for years healthy as an ox and have smoked damn near their entire lives..and at the end of the day it is their lungs not ours

:confused:

I sort of understand what you're trying to say here, basically, "it's none of your damn business how the next person choses to live their life".

I get that.

But I see people use this redundant argument all the time: that some people live there lives escaping the consequences of detrimental actions. This has absolutely no place in the argument. :dunno:.
Which kind of goes back to what I was addressing ^^^




There are alot of things people do to their hair,nails,and body that are unhealthy. I dont understand your point.

You're right SS. Herein lies the quandary of adopting superlative positions on issue like this. The reason I chose to remain neutral.
 
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because this thread is about hair......not nails and body.

Sodium Hydroxide is highly toxic to hair. Which is the main focus of this thread.

:smh: @ websites and literature like this that sensationalize the "danger" of chemicals.

oooooouuuu ... Toxic Sodium Hydroxide!!! :eek::devil::eek:

... it's also in pretzels son. :hmm:
 
^^^^ Sean droppin' Science and breakin' Atoms on 'em...


:lol::yes::lol:



East Coast Potna!!! East Fuckin' Coast!!!
 
:smh: @ websites and literature like this that sensationalize the "danger" of chemicals.

oooooouuuu ... Toxic Sodium Hydroxide!!! :eek::devil::eek:

... it's also in pretzels son. :hmm:

The thin ones? I like those.:confused: Am I gonna die?
 
I hate weaves on black women because the majority do not emulate the natural look of your hair.
I wish more black women would appreciate the natural characteristics of our hair.
Relaxers, perms, and so forth, I am not that fond of, but it's still your own hair and therefore I tolerate it.
I will not look down on you, but I will, ideally, not look AT you.
 
All I know is.....

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