A Theory of Consciousness?

Here's the full video: you can skip past the intro if you want to Edelman's lecture @ 19:00

Mad props to ScorpDiesel for the assist with the embed:yes:

My comments:
1) His theory (TNGS) rejects dualism, reductive naturalism and the notion of the brain as an algorithmic computing machine ("Turing Machine"). Rather, he suggests that the brain works in a "context dependent" process via perceptual categorization which is adaptive (through neuronal group-selection). And through "re-entrant" feed-back mechanisms (which effectively modulate synaptic firing/connectivity) it generates responses to stimuli with respect to value systems/rewards.

The process of memory is dynamic and creative and NOT information-retrieving and replicative like how computers work. This shits on all digital physics matrix type brain-in-a-vat ideas of consciousness. Consciousness is modulated by attention and NOT by a programed (intrinsic or extrinsic) set of instructions.

2) His referencing of the concept of degeneracy in all of biology is brilliant! Check what he says from 1:06

"... ambiguity is powerful because interaction degenerate systems cause associativity, and we need that to start with ... metaphors begin ..."

3) What's impressive, to me, is that he's actually a developed an empirically founded scientific theory--not a hypothesis--that can be further developed as measurement efficacy improves.

4) When you think about it, his theory of neural Darwinism explains and helps understand why neurons are the only cells in the body that never renew.

5) Check out his exchange with the electrical engineer dude that asks the question @ 1:16:25. Edelman asks him if he believe evolution is a Turing Machine. Dude says he can write genetic algorithms that can 'simulate' effects that underlie evolution. Edelman pretty much ethers that point by saying that a) then you should be able to write a genetic program that can predict the out come of evolution in a million years. Can't be done. and b) you can't generate that program ab intio without human involvement.

6) When you think about it, the "demon" of reductionism is that it inevitably eventually breaks down to "the first cause" problem. In other words, reductionism works for science up to the point where matter, or the idea, is irreducible. At which point a creationist theory is developed (Big-Bang, etc). This, imo, is why the quest for a TOE solely based on the reductionist approach is futile.

Good point here.
 
The problem of the homunculus and the origin of language

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Wow, I pretty much disagree with all of this .. who is that guy? Do you have the rest of the video?
 
I googled it and this is what I got:

brain-homunculus.gif


Which is how the brain would look to the body based on the amount of neural connections :eek:

Wow, I pretty much disagree with all of this .. who is that guy? Do you have the rest of the video?
OK.

Gerald Edelman.

It's a full interview and here's the link: http://www.webofstories.com/play/15740
 
Good shit! Can't muster the brain power to contribute productively to the convo but, interesting nonetheless. LOL
 
Ghost in the Shell is the best anime series ever.

:yes: One of the best. Slept on because of it's preachy/philosophizing dialogues and monologues (IMO)

Wouldn't surprise me to find out it heavily influenced the Matrix trilogy.
 
:yes: One of the best. Slept on because of it's preachy/philosophizing dialogues and monologues (IMO)

Wouldn't surprise me to find out it heavily influenced the Matrix trilogy.

I didn't think about it like that in context with the matrix...good insight!
 
I didn't think about it like that in context with the matrix...good insight!

the wachowski's already admitted to g.i.t.s being an influence on the matrix...



anywayz i miss thread like these...
 
when I saw that neural darwinism ish I knew for certain its biased science. damn to hell that coward... These europenas stay trying to define reality for us all Im not anti intellectual or anti science per se on the contrary I just call it like it see it. And how can consciousness be defined by spiritless science ? ...


peace!
 
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