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MAR DEL PLATA, Argentina (AP) - President Bush and Latin American leaders entered a final day of talks Saturday to debate the future of a hemisphere-wide free trade bloc, meeting behind an array of street barricades and armed security forces at a summit tarnished by violent street protests.

As the summit was inaugurated Friday, rioters smashed the glass storefronts of at least 30 businesses, set fire to a bank and battled police with slingshots and rocks. Police fought back with tear gas and made 64 arrests. No major injuries were reported.

The United States is hoping to use the America's Summit to build support for reviving the Free Trade Area of the Americas, or FTAA, which would eliminate trade barriers from Canada to Chile. It has stalled amid opposition from Venezuela, Brazil and others.

The violent demonstrators failed to break through the first of several police blockades protecting Bush and the other world leaders, and the summit's inauguration ceremony took place without a hitch on Friday.
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"What I'm most upset about is that I'll bet you Bush wasn't even told about'' the riot, said Mar Del Plata Mayor Daniel Katz.


On Saturday, summit negotiators are expected to draw up a summit declaration that could call for relaunching talks on the proposed FTAA - an ambitious proposal originally raised in 1994 at the first Americas summit in Miami.


Mexican President Vicente Fox said the FTAA proposal would move forward in any event because 29 of the 34 nations taking part in the summit were considering cobbling together their own FTAA - minus opponents like Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay.


The bloc would rival the European Union as the world's largest, but its creation has been stalled for years amid bickering over U.S. farm subsidies and other obstacles.


Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez emerged as the most strident opponent of the free trade bloc, addressing more than 20,000 protesters hours before the summit's inauguration.


``Only united can we defeat imperialism and bring our people a better life,'' he said, adding: ``Here, in Mar del Plata, FTAA will be buried!''


Chavez wants an anti-FTAA deal based on socialist ideals, and he has used his country's oil wealth to build support, offering fuel with preferential financing to various Caribbean and Latin American countries.


Washington seems little concerned about Venezuela's vocal opposition.


``It's become clear as the negotiations have moved forward that there is significant support within the region for economic integration and for a Free Trade Area of the Americas,'' said Thomas Shannon, the new assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs.


Outside Mar del Plata, other anti-American protests also turned violent. Four police officers were injured in Rosario in clashes that followed an attack on a branch of a U.S.-based Citibank. And in the capital city of Buenos Aires, activists tossed Molotov cocktails at a U.S.-based bank and two fast food restaurants, including a McDonald's.


In neighboring Uruguay, hooded protesters chanting anti-Bush slogans attacked a series of bank buildings, shops and shattered windows in an outburst swiftly quelled by riot police. Leftist groups were blamed.


Most Argentines seemed to reject the violence.


``I don't like Bush, but this is too much,'' said Ramon Madrid, a hotel manager in Mar del Plata who hurriedly closed up after rioters smashed the windows of a bakery three doors down. ``There is no need for violence.''


Graciela Tablar, a bank teller, surveyed the chaos in Mar del Plata after the rioters fled and pronounced it ``very sad.'' Tablar had taken part in the peaceful protest march by some 10,000 people earlier Friday, but lamented, ``the protest people will remember is the violent one.''


Associated Press Writers Bill Cormier, Alan Clendenning, Nestor Ikeda and Vivian Sequera contributed to this report from Mar del Plata.
 
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Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez emerged as the most strident opponent of the free trade bloc, addressing more than 20,000 protesters hours before the summit's inauguration.


``Only united can we defeat imperialism and bring our people a better life,'' he said, adding: ``Here, in Mar del Plata, FTAA will be buried!''

Pat Robertson is right about this guy he is dangerous and something should be done about him, if he is such a student of Fidel he should know these kinda actions will hurt his people and maybe get him killed.
 
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nittie said:
Pat Robertson is right about this guy he is dangerous and something should be done about him, if he is such a student of Fidel he should know these kinda actions will hurt his people and maybe get him killed.
Before you cast judgement on Chavez and other south american leaders you need to balance there stands and what north america has done to them.................even JFK said that the voice from South America isn't communism but cries of hunger, a few days before he tried to left the embargo against Cuba and was assassinated one day later



Socialism doesn't need to be communism .......................France is socialist you ever see people more free then the french they strike once a week ........then work the other half ..........lol
 
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Before you cast judgement on Chavez and other south american leaders you need to balance there stands and what north america has done to them.................even JFK said that the voice from South America isn't communism but cries of hunger, a few days before he tried to left the embargo against Cuba and was assassinated one day later



Socialism doesn't need to be communism .......................France is socialist you ever see people more free then the french they strike once a week ........then work the other half ..........lol

America has done it's share of dirt no denying that but the leaders of those countries have to bear some responsibility too. If you are in the western hemisphere it doesn't make sense to side with socialist much less communist. Fidel made the tragic mistake of siding with Russia during the cold war and his people suffer if he cared anything about them he would relent on some issues but he doesn't now chavez is talking the same shit. Latin America has to go democratic and get rid of those simple-minded dictators or they will always be on the outside looking in.
 
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nittie said:
Pat Robertson is right about this guy he is dangerous and something should be done about him, if he is such a student of Fidel he should know these kinda actions will hurt his people and maybe get him killed.

u sound, no actually is as ignorant as Pat Robertson.
 
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and so goes black political discussion.

if someone disagree then they are a) stupid/ignorant

or b) looking out for whitey.

an option "C" doesnt exist because that would mean black people would be as diverse as any other group in america with varied political thought. god forbid.
 
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carlitos said:
u sound, no actually is as ignorant as Pat Robertson.


lol lets hope you live up to your potential, I already have.
 
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nittie said:
America has done it's share of dirt no denying that but the leaders of those countries have to bear some responsibility too. If you are in the western hemisphere it doesn't make sense to side with socialist much less communist. Fidel made the tragic mistake of siding with Russia during the cold war and his people suffer if he cared anything about them he would relent on some issues but he doesn't now chavez is talking the same shit. Latin America has to go democratic and get rid of those simple-minded dictators or they will always be on the outside looking in.


I agree the south american leaders have a lot of blame to carry...........

how ever I disagree with you about socialism..........it was given a bad rap in the 1960 to present by the media who would like to classify it with communism..........however you need to keep in mind that people in socialist societies around the world have better health care, retirement and other basic services than what exist in America, which will be more evident when America moves to full capitalism which means no more social security....no more retirement or health benefits and no paid vacation time...........but this topic is for another thread<O:p</O:p

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Castro had no choice but to link up with Russia as it was the only other super power at the time......................remember with Batista gone American companies could no longer exploit Cuba as it had done.............there was a need by America to put in another puppet....<O:p</O:p

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And on the last point I don't think it is democracy missing as much as money and better wages.............please note it is very profitable for companies like Chiquita to keep south Americans working for 40 dollars a month......the WTO ruling on agriculture has almost made it necessary to keep these people working cheap while killing the economies of the Pacific islands, African growers and Caribbean growers most of these countries had to give up these industries all together why do you think the gap between poor and rich countries are getting wider ......<O:p</O:p
 
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how ever I disagree with you about socialism..........it was given a bad rap in the 1960 to present by the media who would like to classify it with communism..........however you need to keep in mind that people in socialist societies around the world have better health care, retirement and other basic services than what exist in America, which will be more evident when America moves to full capitalism which means no more social security....no more retirement or health benefits and no paid vacation time...........but this topic is for another thread

actually I'm not against some form of socialism when you look at our defense department it is basically a jobs program, I mean when you spend billions on weapons you will never use it's obviously a form of socialism the same can be said about the justice deptment, housing 1 million people for non violent drug offenses is socialist. I have a problem with Castro and Chavez trying to over-throw our country in the name of socialism though, they don't want what's best for the people they are on some ideologial ego trip and they don't care how many people suffer as long as they can have it their way how else do you explain the poverty and despair in their countries that could be alleviated if they would just comprise with America?
 
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nittie said:
Pat Robertson is right about this guy he is dangerous and something should be done about him, if he is such a student of Fidel he should know these kinda actions will hurt his people and maybe get him killed.
Nittie, Pat Robertson is a damn idiot. I wouldn't base anything, for or against Chavez, on anything Robertson said.

QueEx
 
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I think Robertson is crazy but crazy people can be right on occasion, there are too many illegal aliens in this country already the last thing you need is Chavez filling their heads with a bunch of anti-U.S. bullshit it’s just a matter of time before someone acts on it. The guy needs to be silenced and while we're at it Fidel should be forced into retirement also.
 
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nittie said:
I think Robertson is crazy but crazy people can be right on occasion, there are too many illegal aliens in this country already the last thing you need is Chavez filling their heads with a bunch of anti-U.S. bullshit it’s just a matter of time before someone acts on it. The guy needs to be silenced and while we're at it Fidel should be forced into retirement also.
What we need to do with Fidel is to be more open. We should seek to (actually, we should have sought to) normalize relations and let nature take its course. If he falls or prospers, so be it -- I can't see where our Castro policy over the last 40 years has accomplished very much. It has, however, made him larger than life among leftist everwhere. The battle with Fidel has been one of our longest on-going battle for hearts and minds. Somehow, we seem to fear that our ideology would overcome his. What would Chavez have to point to, if had no Fidel as the example ???

QueEx
 
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Why should we compromise with some banana republic dictator? Castro is the only hold over from the cold war and it's not because his people love him, it's because he kills anyone that is a threat. If Kennedy had finished him off 40 yrs ago Cubans would not be living in a time warp or dying on makeshift rafts trying to flee the country. The drug trade probably wouldn't be as big as it is, and you're right Chavez wouldn't have him as a role model.
 
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nittie said:
Why should we compromise with some banana republic dictator? Castro is the only hold over from the cold war and it's not because his people love him, it's because he kills anyone that is a threat. If Kennedy had finished him off 40 yrs ago Cubans would not be living in a time warp or dying on makeshift rafts trying to flee the country. The drug trade probably wouldn't be as big as it is, and you're right Chavez wouldn't have him as a role model.
no they'd be dying on sugar plantations in 1840 slavery mode like haitians in the Dominican Republic now - the black ones that is
 
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nittie said:
Why should we compromise with some banana republic dictator?
You're right why should we. In fact, why compromise with anyone ???

Castro is the only hold over from the cold war and it's not because his people love him, it's because he kills anyone that is a threat. If Kennedy had finished him off 40 yrs ago Cubans would not be living in a time warp or dying on makeshift rafts trying to flee the country. The drug trade probably wouldn't be as big as it is, and you're right Chavez wouldn't have him as a role model.
Wonder what we are afraid of ??? Fuck Fidel and the rifle in descended from the hills on. But, what has our policy over the last 40+ years accomplished ???

QueEx
 
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Wonder what we are afraid of ??? Fuck Fidel and the rifle in descended from the hills on. But, what has our policy over the last 40+ years accomplished ???

I'll be the 1st to admit that our policy towards Cuba and Latin America have been a failure but I think it's only fair to look at both sides of the issue, if someone other than Castro led Cuba things would be different throughout the region, all I'm saying is the guy is a pariah and he should have been removed a long time ago.

On the other hand America was praticing Aparthied when this shit began, if I'm Castro I wouldn't want White Americans coming there raping my country either, America still treats Latin America like it's colonial times we can liberate Iraq but we can't put money in Brazil we don't because there are too many negroes there but if Castro had relented during the 70's and 80's when this country was going through it's social changes there is no reason things wouldn't be better there they are not because his mentality is still locked in the 50's.
 
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Bush in Brazil subsidies promise
By Tom Gibb
BBC News, Brasilia

The two presidents talking to reporters
President Lula spoke of a growing Brazilian-American partnership
President George W Bush has promised his Brazilian counterpart, Luiz Inacio Lula Da Silva, to work towards eliminating US agricultural subsidies.

This, he said, was fundamental to move towards free trade around the world.

However, the move would depend on European willingness to do the same thing, Mr Bush said.

On his way to the meeting, President Bush drove past a small but noisy group of protesters who shouted insults and burned his effigy.

Shared vision

Both presidents gave short statements before sitting down to a barbeque together at the Brazilian presidential retreat.

Anti-Bush protesters in Brasilia
Protesters made their anti-US feelings clear

President Lula spoke of a growing partnership between the two presidents for whom this is their third meeting.

He said a shared vision of democracy, the spread of liberty and human rights allowed them to discuss their differences over free trade with respect and frankness.

He said they both agreed that eliminating US and European farm subsidies, which he said makes trade unfair, was the key to success in upcoming World Trade Organisation (WTO) talks.

In reply, President Bush promised to work together with Brazil to do this but he said the US could only reduce subsidies to its farmers if Europe were willing to do the same.
 
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Bush in Brazil subsidies promise
By Tom Gibb
BBC News, Brasilia

The two presidents talking to reporters
President Lula spoke of a growing Brazilian-American partnership
President George W Bush has promised his Brazilian counterpart, Luiz Inacio Lula Da Silva, to work towards eliminating US agricultural subsidies.

This, he said, was fundamental to move towards free trade around the world.

However, the move would depend on European willingness to do the same thing, Mr Bush said.

On his way to the meeting, President Bush drove past a small but noisy group of protesters who shouted insults and burned his effigy.

Shared vision

Both presidents gave short statements before sitting down to a barbeque together at the Brazilian presidential retreat.

Anti-Bush protesters in Brasilia
Protesters made their anti-US feelings clear

President Lula spoke of a growing partnership between the two presidents for whom this is their third meeting.

He said a shared vision of democracy, the spread of liberty and human rights allowed them to discuss their differences over free trade with respect and frankness.

He said they both agreed that eliminating US and European farm subsidies, which he said makes trade unfair, was the key to success in upcoming World Trade Organisation (WTO) talks.

In reply, President Bush promised to work together with Brazil to do this but he said the US could only reduce subsidies to its farmers if Europe were willing to do the same.
 
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Chavez blasts Mexico over summit

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Mr Chavez has become one of Washington's fiercest critics

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Mr Chavez said Mr Fox had, as he put it, been left bleeding from last week's Summit of the Americas.

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The other 29 nations - including Mexico - said they wanted to resume talks on a Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) in 2006.

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Hugo Chavez
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The Mexican government has called in the Venezuelan Ambassador, Vladimir Villegas, for a meeting on Thursday to explain Mr Chavez's comments.

'First round'

Earlier, Mexico and Argentina agreed to end their own row over the Summit of the Americas.

Mr Fox - a conservative who has been close to Washington on trade issues - had accused left-wing President Nestor Kirchner of being a poor host only interested in his domestic political support.

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He said he was involved more with Argentines' image of the president than achieving a successful summit.

But Mr Kirchner replied: "Mr Fox should worry about Mexico and let me take care of Argentine matters".

The two countries' foreign ministries issued a joint statement on Wednesday attempting to calm the dispute, saying that their relations are "splendid".

Mr Chavez had great praise for his Argentine counterpart, who he said had wielded a sword of truth and reason during the summit discussions.<!-- E BO -->

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Mexico fails to profit from Nafta deal

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Just this week passions in the Americas have spilled over into anger about whether free trade benefits the poorest at all?

It has been 12 years since Mexico joined the United States and Canada to create a huge single market for goods and services.

Some want to go further than the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta) while others want to dig its grave.

Ambitious

There are questions over whether Nafta has delivered on its promises and lifted millions of Mexicans out of poverty.

Nafta's record has been very much under the spotlight over the past few days as Latin American heads of state have been meeting in Argentina to discuss enlarging the trade pact.

Some of the leaders want to move forward with very ambitious plans to create a massive free trade area stretching from Alaska to the South Pole.

But not everyone agrees this would be a good thing.

The Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, made his views known when he said: "Together we lift our spades and bury the idea of a larger free trade area once and for all."

But the Mexican government thinks differently.

In the centre of Mexico City there are a series of large murals painted by the world famous Mexican artist Diego Rivera.

They show the produce that Mexico has given to the world - things such as maize, cocoa, tobacco, pineapple and even chicle - the main ingredient of chewing gum. When these were painted in the 1930s they depicted the bright hopes of Mexico and its potential wealth.

That was a golden age for the country.

The same for 40 years

But looking around you can see that the reality is a world away from the optimism seen in those paintings.

Nearby is a line about 20 or 25 unemployed people holding pieces of paper saying what their professions are - one is a carpenter, another a plumber.

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Many Mexicans still live in poverty

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They are all looking for work, hoping that somebody will come by and take them on.

One of them says: "People come to look for us here but even so, there's not much work. This is still the best place for us to find something."

Another says: "It's difficult. Sometimes we get work for four days in a month, sometimes it's a week. It's been the same for the last 40 years or so."

They may be unemployed, but at least they stand a chance of finding work, albeit not every day.

Aron plays a small barrel organ in the street to earn a living from passing tourists.

He doesn't own the instrument - he rents it for 60 pesos a week, or about $6. But, apart from the tourists, most Mexicans just don't have the money to give him.

"Life is not so good. We expected much more from the free trade agreement. The other two countries are great powers and we should be seeing more benefits from this association. None of the benefits flow down to the poor," he says.

At night Aron studies to be an electrician but plays the organ to get by, like the man playing a violin a few feet away while his children beg for money.

Dangerous

When I asked Larry D Rubin, the head of the American Chamber of Commerce in Mexico, why the country hadn't seen more benefits of the free trade agreement with the US and Canada, he said the western hemisphere needs to get as competitive as the European Union.

When that happens, "Aron could be highly employable in any US or Mexican firm," he says.

Many Mexicans think they have a better chance of employment if they cross the border to work in the US, but Mr Rubin advises against that.

"It's very dangerous to cross the border illegally. Crossing the border implies certain death for many Mexicans ever single day and every month," he says.

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But Mr Rubin concedes that if Aron was legalised, there would definitely be opportunities in America but adds: "I think there are a number of opportunities he can explore in Mexico and there is no need for him to go to a different country where there is a completely different culture."

He believes that organisations such as the American Chamber of Commerce need to influence Congress so there can be structural reforms to enable companies from America, Europe and elsewhere, to invest more in Mexico and create more opportunities.

The recent summit didn't bring the clear-cut announcement of free trade from Alaska to the South Pole that some had hoped for.

Many US companies have already invested in Mexico and the Americans want to expand the free trade area.

They want what has happened in Mexico to be replicated throughout Latin America.

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Paco, a cheap drug made from the residue of cocaine production, is spreading across poor neighbourhoods in Argentina, and turning thousand of children into addicts. Teresa Bo reports from the capital Buenos Aires.
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Re: Argentina's new drug epidemic - 13 Feb 08

Economically, this doesn't make sense. The users are brain damaged in less than a year. This means that in a short time you lose customers permanently.

Plus instead of bringing money into the country from rich eurotrash and americans, you're scraping nickels from your own country, a move guaranteed to bring your local authorities down on you.

Bad move on the part of the coke cartels... :smh:
 
Re: Argentina's new drug epidemic - 13 Feb 08

Well just remember Argentina is home to many Nazi and other war criminals. Perhaps they are trying to kill of the locals to have the country to themselves.
 
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^^^ Interesting point! It does seem that in the push for globalization there's a lot of activity in the world that seems designed to wipe out the indigenous poor. Kill them off, bulldoze their land, build another Dubai...
 
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Crack is derived from cocaine
and therefore less expensive.

it makes sense that locals would derive something
of lesser quality from the remnants of their
leading export.

its a shame it cripples the users soo quickly! it's
barely a narcotic more a slow poison!:smh:
 
Re: Argentina's new drug epidemic - 13 Feb 08

^^^ Interesting point! It does seem that in the push for globalization there's a lot of activity in the world that seems designed to wipe out the indigenous poor. Kill them off, bulldoze their land, build another Dubai...

Yes indeed. It's going on in my country right now too. Foreigners used to not be allowed to own land. Now they are buying as much as they can get their grubby paws on. There have been several incidences of forced land sales as in the people didn't want to sell and mysteriously got shot in the leg or whatever else. Used to be that no one could hire a foreign worker unless it was a specialty skill that none of us had. Now they have Indian, Mexican, Chinese and Filipino slave workers by the hundreds. They have undercut and destroyed our construction business. Belongership and passports have been granted(SOLD) to white people who just reach(they supposed to live on island 15 years first) yet they giving people with one local parent or 2 who were born or raised elsewhere HELL.

Anyway it just occurred to me that this drug is not intended to kill the local people, just to make them retarded so there is more slave labor. :smh:
 
Argentine president lays 'inalienable' claim to Falklands

President Cristina Kirchner, may very well and be giving the nudge to a movement that has escalated in the hearts and minds of many an Argentinian over the last 26 years.

Argentina's President Cristina Kirchner delivers a speech on April 1, 2008 in Buenos Aires. Argentina's claim to the Falkland Islands, which remain in British hands after the 1982 war between the two countries, is "inalienable," Kirchner said Wednesday.

Wed Apr 2, 4:11 PM ET

"The sovereign claim to the Malvinas Islands is inalienable," she said in a speech marking the 26th anniversary of Argentina's ill-fated invasion of the islands, located 480 kilometers (300 miles) off shore.

The April 2, 1982 invasion prompted then British prime minister Margaret Thatcher to deploy naval forces to retake the Falklands, known as the Malvinas in Spanish.

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Re: Argentine president lays 'inalienable' claim to Falklands

Hmmm. 26 years. Both sides lost lives in that war; Argentina the most.

Are the Argentines any more prepared now than they were the last time?

Having gone to war to retain the islands, would the British now negotiate them away?

I'm betting the Argentine prez is just reaffirming the Argentines claim and the British
have them on ignore. Anybody betting differently ???

QueEx
 
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I don't doubt the UK doesn't feel threatened but the Argentinians can win back their land.
 
Re: Argentine president lays 'inalienable' claim to Falklands

Damn, this info slipped past me. I hope they have a few more exocets or upgraded to sunburns for the British Navy.:yes:
 
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