A Pardon for Libby ???

QueEx

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Libby set to win pardon and escape jail term

An administration official said that it was highly unlikely that Libby would go to prison. "There's a lot of anger about the way Libby has been treated," he said

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Lewis 'Scooter' Libby leaves the courthouse with his lawyers

The Telegraph (London)
By Toby Harnden in Washington
August 3, 2007


A White House official said last night that there was a "strong expectation" that President George W Bush would pardon Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the disgraced aide.

The former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney was found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice on Tuesday in a case linked to the unmasking of a covert CIA operative. If the conviction is upheld, he is expected to be jailed for two years.

But an administration official said that it was highly unlikely that Libby would go to prison. "There's a lot of anger about the way Libby has been treated," he said.

"There's a strong expectation that if it comes to it, then the president will pardon him."

The official said that advisers to Mr Bush believed that Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor who charged Libby, had pursued a "political vendetta" against the White House and that no one had committed any crime.

"I don't think anything will happen yet, though. There's an appeal to come and perhaps Libby will get off then."

Libby is due to be sentenced in June but his defence team has said it will press for a retrial and, if that is denied, will appeal against his conviction. It could be close to the end of Mr Bush's second term in January 2009 before a jail sentence would begin.

Democrats are vehemently opposed to Libby being pardoned and have called on Mr Bush to rule out the option. Tony Snow, Mr Bush's press secretary, declined even to address the subject.

"All of this conversation, speculation about a pardon, I know, makes for interesting speculation, but it's just that," Mr Snow said yesterday. He added that Mr Bush was "careful" about giving out pardons. "These are not things to be treated blithely. He wants to make sure that anybody who receives one, that it's warranted, but I would caution against any speculation in this case,"

David Frum, a former White House speech writer, said that he expected Mr Bush, who had previously shown loyalty to his staff and was not afraid to make decisions that were politically unpopular, to pardon Libby if needed.

"Everyone assumes that he will. My guess is that it will not be very politically explosive because everyone feels Libby is the wrong person."

Denis Collins, a jury member, said after the verdicts that jurors felt Libby was a "fall guy" and that some had speculated why others such as Karl Rove, Mr Bush's political counsellor, were not on trial. Mr Fitzgerald had said in court that a "cloud remains" over Mr Cheney.

Libby's supporters, however, believe the villain in the case is Richard Armitage, the former US Secretary of State, who admitted that he was the official who first revealed the identity of Valerie Plame, a covert CIA operative, to a journalist. Mr Armitage, an Iraq war critic, said he had not known about Miss Plame's covert status.

Mr Frum said there was a "farcical quality" to the trial because people were being told that Miss Plame's status was the "secret of the century" while the official responsible had escaped unpunished.

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Of course. I don't know that he should have had to go to trial for lying. Everybody in Washington lies and they don't go to jail for it. Besides in this case, what were the underlyng charges? Couldn't stick him the original charge of outing a CIA person so you get him on this? Seems a bit soft to me to have spent millions of dollars on.

Now if they got the VP, then you get your monies worth for whatever they get him on.

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This was a statement case just like Bill with the lying bit.

If Nixon can get pardoned for what he did, Libby should get a hand slap.

Those cats in DC both Dems and Reps do not want to let the shit out of the bag, because MANY of them would fall real hard
 

QueEx

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VegasGuy said:
Of course. I don't know that he should have had to go to trial for lying. Everybody in Washington lies and they don't go to jail for it. Besides in this case, what were the underlyng charges? Couldn't stick him the original charge of outing a CIA person so you get him on this? Seems a bit soft to me to have spent millions of dollars on.

Now if they got the VP, then you get your monies worth for whatever they get him on.

-VG
So, the jury determined that Libby lied to the FBI (okay, if you want to say thats no biggie) and to a Federal Grand Jury and he should simply get a slap on the wrist ??? If so, don't you think we need to abolish the crime of Perjury ??? Why should little people go to jail for lying and bigger fish just continue swimming? Hell, LOL, why should there even be an "Integrity" standard; people should be entitled to lie at-will; damn the possible consequences.

Wonder why Libby didn't call Cheney to the stand in his defense ???

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Yeah just saw that :smh: It's funny because

"In the end, no-one was charged with leaking Ms Plame's name and whether or not she was a covert agent was not established. Libby was not charged over the leak but with lying about how he found out about Ms Plame."

The way it is set up it will make Bush look bad no matter what he does.
 

VegasGuy

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QueEx said:
So, the jury determined that Libby lied to the FBI (okay, if you want to say thats no biggie) and to a Federal Grand Jury and he should simply get a slap on the wrist ??? If so, don't you think we need to abolish the crime of Perjury ??? Why should little people go to jail for lying and bigger fish just continue swimming? Hell, LOL, why should there even be an "Integrity" standard; people should be entitled to lie at-will; damn the possible consequences.

Wonder why Libby didn't call Cheney to the stand in his defense ???

QueEx
Don't get all swol up QueEx. If you want to consider this a major win then pop a cork, smoke a cigar.

What I'm saying is in the grand scheme, nothing is going to change as a result of this. These washington politicians, both liberals and right wingers craft the laws that never affect them in cases like this.

Not even this is going to stand beyond 2008 and you damn well know it.

What I was looking for was proof that someone in the Bush administration released information on a CIA agent. That was what I hoped the justice department was going to turn up but what they come back with is "he didn't answer us truthfully and obstructed justice. Both of which are capital crimes but how he even got to court was the bullshit about Valerie Plame.

Which is if you remember was what the prosecutor stepped to the microphone with, after carefully gathering the FACTS his big announcement. I never said to abolish the grand jury system. I'm just saying that shit isn't anything to brag about. I'm not satisfied they got anything. Do you?

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Peeps don’t get caught up and dragged into the toxic vortex of perpetual lying that RepubliKlan television commentators are spewing. Valerie Plame Wilson’s status as an undercover CIA NOC (Non-Official-Cover) was certified in the court records and transcripts of the just concluded trial. Libby’s defense and prosecutor Fitzgerald and the judge all certified the fact that she was an undercover CIA NOC (Non-Official-Cover) in the court record. The thousands of pages will soon all be available online. In any event it’s old news. The fact that she was an undercover CIA NOC involved in critically important intelligence gathering was known the day Novack put her name in the paper almost 4 years ago.
I outlined some of the details in this thread -
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=68136

During the last 4 years every time you have turned on your television set and seen a RepubliKlan saying that she wasn’t a undercover NOC they were engaging in deliberate lying. From day one the RepubliKlans have frantically tried to diminish the “outing” of her name and her “brass plate” company as trivial. With the cooperation of most of the “media of mass distraction” they have been, for-the-most-part successful.

The score is.
Anna Nicole Smith circus -526
True facts about the significance of Libby’s conviction -3
The score represents the amount of cumulative hours television media spent on both topics following the verdict announcement. Television is critical since 91% of all Americans get MOST of their news from television. 64% get ALL their news solely from television. For most Americans, if it’s not on television, it didn’t happen.
Libby’s conviction for lying to a federal grand jury to protect Darth Cheney is just the tip of the iceberg.

What did Joe Wilson, a respected US ambassador, who received the highest praise from baby bush’s father, president George H. W. Bush, do that so enraged and frightened the Vice President, Libby, Rumsfeld, and the oblivious ”decider”.

That question and the easily available answers to this question are what the RepubliKlans and their media allies want to bury in the memory hole. Their propaganda talking points are that the attack on Wilson was just the normal Washington DC food fight that occurs between political opponents. Nothing could be further from the truth than this bogus dribble.

Wilson was the United States’ last ambassador to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq before the 1991 Iraq war. Remember Cheney was secretary of defense in 1991 and Libby was his under-secretary of defense. Condi was at the White House serving as a Soviet specialist. Wolfowitz, remember him, was also at the Pentagon in 1991 with Darth Cheney & Libby.

Wilson was as dangerous to the ‘bush crime family’ plans to lie to the world and invade and plunder Iraq based on a pack of lies as Richard Clark. He knew these guys; he knew Niger, he knew about the forged Niger documents, he knew Iraq, he knew Saddam, he knew that weapons of mass destruction and a Iraq nuclear weapons threat was BULLSHIT.
Wilson like Clark had to be smeared and destroyed.

Valerie Plame Wilson will testify <u>under oath</u> in congress next week. After her testimony watch how all the RepubliKlans lying about her undercover CIA NOC status will vanish. Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has also been asked to testify next week. Her testimony will put the kabosh on any quick Libby pardon. Libby’s felony conviction opens the door to discovery in the Wilson’s civil suit against Darth Cheney et al. This is why the RepubliKlans are screaming at-the-top-of-their-lungs for an immediate pardon for Libby. Cheney was scared, there was too much risk, to go <u>under oath</u> and face Fitzgerald during the Libby trial despite the intimation in the defense opening statement that he would testify. Cheney will have to testify <u>under oath</u> at the civil trial deposition phase. The Bill Clinton civil trial, Paula Jones/ blow-job follies, establishes the legal precedent that will legally compel Cheney to be deposed. Peeps the conviction of Libby is just the beginning.

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The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States. Republicans' talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie Plame as liars. That is the truly big lie.

For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.

Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.

A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.

The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied". Although Joe did not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion. Let's use the same standard for the Bush Administration. Here are the facts. Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.

But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report. Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact emerges on page 52 of the report: According to the US Ambassador to Niger (who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on." Joe's findings were consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major General Fulford.

The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job. She did not. She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major. Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.

At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.

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More than Valerie Plame's identity was exposed when her name appeared in a syndicated column in the summer of 2003.

A small Boston company listed as her employer suddenly was shown to be a bogus CIA front, and her alma mater in Belgium discovered it was a favored haunt of an American spy. At Langley, officials in the clandestine service quickly began drawing up a list of contacts and friends, cultivated over more than a decade, to triage any immediate damage.

There is no indication, according to current and former intelligence officials, that the most dire of consequences -- the risk of anyone's life -- resulted from her outing.

But after Plame's name appeared in Robert D. Novak's column, the CIA informed the Justice Department in a simple questionnaire that the damage was serious enough to warrant an investigation, officials said.

The CIA has not conducted a formal damage assessment, as is routinely done in cases of espionage and after any legal proceedings have been exhausted. Yesterday, after a two-year inquiry into the leak, special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald issued a five-count indictment against Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, for perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements during the grand jury investigation.

Fitzgerald has not charged anyone with breaking a law that protects the identities of undercover operatives.

Nonetheless, intelligence specialists said the exposure of Plame -- who operated under the deepest form of cover -- was a grim reminder of the risks spies face.

"Cover and tradecraft are the only forms of protection one has and to have that stripped away because of political scheming is the moral equivalent to exposing forward deployed military units," said Arthur Brown, who retired in February as the CIA's Asian Division chief and is now a senior vice president at the consultancy firm Control Risks Group.

"In the case of the military, they can pack up and go elsewhere. In the case of a serving clandestine officer, it's the end of that officer's ability to function in that role."

Plame entered the CIA 20 years ago as a case officer at age 22. She spent several years in intensive training at home and abroad, and traveled widely, often presenting herself as a consultant.

Her official employer, listed in public records, was a Boston firm, now known to have been fictitious, named Brewster-Jennings & Associates. And during her years undercover she studied at the College of Europe in Bruges, Belgium.

When she met her future husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, an ambassador, several years later at an embassy party, she introduced herself as an "energy analyst." It was a story she would tell her closest friends and neighbors for years.

All that changed after Wilson publicly revealed in The Washington Post and the New York Times on July 6, 2003, that he had officially investigated, and discounted, claims by President Bush that Iraq was trying to buy a key ingredient for nuclear weapons from Niger.

"The fact is, once your husband writes an op-ed piece and goes political, you have no immunity, and that's the way Washington works," said Robert Baer, who served in the CIA's clandestine service.

Eight days later, Novak, citing two senior administration officials, wrote that Wilson's trip was arranged by his wife, whom Novak identified by name as a CIA officer. The column generated speculation that the Bush administration had purposely blown her cover to try to discredit Wilson -- a critic of the administration's case for war.

"Blowing the cover of a CIA officer is the cardinal sin in the intelligence business: It could wipe out information networks and put lives at risk," Rep. Jane Harman (Calif.), ranking Democrat on the House intelligence panel, said in a statement.

For Plame, the most serious consequence may be professional.

"It's possible that no damage was done [to national security] but she can never [work] overseas again," said Mark Lowenthal, who retired from a senior management position at the CIA in March.

Lowenthal said he was unaware of the extent of damage that may have been caused by exposing Plame, who worked in the Counterproliferation Division at CIA headquarters in Langley.

"You can only speculate that if she had foreign contacts, those contacts might be nervous and their relationships with her put them at risk. It also makes it harder for other CIA officers to recruit sources," Lowenthal said.

Intelligence officials said they would never reveal the true extent of her contacts to protect the agency and its work.

"You'll never get a straight answer about how valuable she was or how valuable her sources were," said one intelligence official who would speak only anonymously.

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QueEx

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VegasGuy said:
Don't get all swol up QueEx. If you want to consider this a major win then pop a cork, smoke a cigar.
A win? A win for what?

I happen to think perjury is a serious matter, especially if it involves the security of these United States. Here we have an S.O.B. apparently lying to prevent someone from getting at the truth: Cheney's, and perhaps others, role in exposing an undercover CIA agent and for what: to cover someones missteps in the lead-up to the Iraq invasion.

No, I won't light up; but I do hope that Fitzgerald isn't finished and I hope that those who mischaracterized the facts to justify an invasion of another country are skeptical of lighting up, as well.

What I'm saying is in the grand scheme, nothing is going to change as a result of this. These washington politicians, both liberals and right wingers craft the laws that never affect them in cases like this.
Quite the contrary isn't it? - the law caught up with and affected Libby. In the grand scheme of things, Libby's conviction is just a grain of sand. It is the grains of sand in your shoe, however, which wear one down, not the mountain looming ahead.

Not even this is going to stand beyond 2008 and you damn well know it.
I don't know whats going to happen in 07 or beyond 08. As I said above, I hope the probe isn't over. If it deepens and bigger fish are caught, I don't know if anyone would be worried about Libby's ass after 08.

What I was looking for was proof that someone in the Bush administration released information on a CIA agent. That was what I hoped the justice department was going to turn up but what they come back with is "he didn't answer us truthfully and obstructed justice. Both of which are capital crimes but how he even got to court was the bullshit about Valerie Plame.
I guess its hard sometimes to expose the larger issue when people like Libby take the fall. Libby's lawyer said it was Libby's memory and he was just following someone else's orders. If Libby didn't take the fall, he would have called that boss to the stand. Cheney didn't volunteer and Libby didn't call him. What do you make of that ???

Which is if you remember was what the prosecutor stepped to the microphone with, after carefully gathering the FACTS his big announcement. I never said to abolish the grand jury system.
Again, I don't know that the investigation is complete, if so, its sad because there doesn't appear much doubt that someone outted Ms. Plame, for a sinister reason.

On the other hand, I have to give Fitzgerald some credit: he bested Ken Starr. After spending millions of dollars Fitzgerald got a conviction of someone for lying about a material issue to the underlying investigation: Libby lying about the outting of Plame. Ken Starr spent more money, took a longer time and only got a dick-sucking conviction which had nothing to do with the underlying investigation: White Water.

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Dude is gonna go to jail it won't go over well with the public if he doesn't but after appeals and arm twisting by big money reps he'll do a few months and have a big bankroll waiting on him for not talking.
 

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muckraker10021 -March 9th 2007 said:
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muckraker10021 said:
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Peeps don’t get caught up and dragged into the toxic vortex of perpetual lying that RepubliKlan television commentators are spewing. Valerie Plame Wilson’s status as an undercover CIA NOC (Non-Official-Cover) was certified in the court records and transcripts of the just concluded trial. Libby’s defense and prosecutor Fitzgerald and the judge all certified the fact that she was an undercover CIA NOC (Non-Official-Cover) in the court record. The thousands of pages will soon all be available online. In any event it’s old news. The fact that she was an undercover CIA NOC involved in critically important intelligence gathering was known the day Novack put her name in the paper almost 4 years ago.
I outlined some of the details in this thread -
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=68136

During the last 4 years every time you have turned on your television set and seen a RepubliKlan saying that she wasn’t a undercover NOC they were engaging in deliberate lying. From day one the RepubliKlans have frantically tried to diminish the “outing” of her name and her “brass plate” company as trivial. With the cooperation of most of the “media of mass distraction” they have been, for-the-most-part successful.

The score is.
Anna Nicole Smith circus -526
True facts about the significance of Libby’s conviction -3
The score represents the amount of cumulative hours television media spent on both topics following the verdict announcement. Television is critical since 91% of all Americans get MOST of their news from television. 64% get ALL their news solely from television. For most Americans, if it’s not on television, it didn’t happen.
Libby’s conviction for lying to a federal grand jury to protect Darth Cheney is just the tip of the iceberg.

What did Joe Wilson, a respected US ambassador, who received the highest praise from baby bush’s father, president George H. W. Bush, do that so enraged and frightened the Vice President, Libby, Rumsfeld, and the oblivious ”decider”.

That question and the easily available answers to this question are what the RepubliKlans and their media allies want to bury in the memory hole. Their propaganda talking points are that the attack on Wilson was just the normal Washington DC food fight that occurs between political opponents. Nothing could be further from the truth than this bogus dribble.

Wilson was the United States’ last ambassador to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq before the 1991 Iraq war. Remember Cheney was secretary of defense in 1991 and Libby was his under-secretary of defense. Condi was at the White House serving as a Soviet specialist. Wolfowitz, remember him, was also at the Pentagon in 1991 with Darth Cheney & Libby.

Wilson was as dangerous to the ‘bush crime family’ plans to lie to the world and invade and plunder Iraq based on a pack of lies as Richard Clark. He knew these guys; he knew Niger, he knew about the forged Niger documents, he knew Iraq, he knew Saddam, he knew that weapons of mass destruction and a Iraq nuclear weapons threat was BULLSHIT.
Wilson like Clark had to be smeared and destroyed.

Valerie Plame Wilson will testify <u>under oath</u> in congress next week. After her testimony watch how all the RepubliKlans lying about her undercover CIA NOC status will vanish. Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has also been asked to testify next week. Her testimony will put the kabosh on any quick Libby pardon. Libby’s felony conviction opens the door to discovery in the Wilson’s civil suit against Darth Cheney et al. This is why the RepubliKlans are screaming at-the-top-of-their-lungs for an immediate pardon for Libby. Cheney was scared, there was too much risk, to go <u>under oath</u> and face Fitzgerald during the Libby trial despite the intimation in the defense opening statement that he would testify. Cheney will have to testify <u>under oath</u> at the civil trial deposition phase. The Bill Clinton civil trial, Paula Jones/ blow-job follies, establishes the legal precedent that will legally compel Cheney to be deposed. Peeps the conviction of Libby is just the beginning.

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Jul 12, 2005 -

by Larry Johnson</b>

The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States. Republicans' talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie Plame as liars. That is the truly big lie.

For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.

Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.

A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.

The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied". Although Joe did not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion. Let's use the same standard for the Bush Administration. Here are the facts. Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.

But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report. Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact emerges on page 52 of the report: According to the US Ambassador to Niger (who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on." Joe's findings were consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major General Fulford.

The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job. She did not. She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major. Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.

At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/9340
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By Dafna Linzer
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 29, 2005; A09</b>

More than Valerie Plame's identity was exposed when her name appeared in a syndicated column in the summer of 2003.

A small Boston company listed as her employer suddenly was shown to be a bogus CIA front, and her alma mater in Belgium discovered it was a favored haunt of an American spy. At Langley, officials in the clandestine service quickly began drawing up a list of contacts and friends, cultivated over more than a decade, to triage any immediate damage.

There is no indication, according to current and former intelligence officials, that the most dire of consequences -- the risk of anyone's life -- resulted from her outing.

But after Plame's name appeared in Robert D. Novak's column, the CIA informed the Justice Department in a simple questionnaire that the damage was serious enough to warrant an investigation, officials said.

The CIA has not conducted a formal damage assessment, as is routinely done in cases of espionage and after any legal proceedings have been exhausted. Yesterday, after a two-year inquiry into the leak, special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald issued a five-count indictment against Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, for perjury, obstruction of justice and making false statements during the grand jury investigation.

Fitzgerald has not charged anyone with breaking a law that protects the identities of undercover operatives.

Nonetheless, intelligence specialists said the exposure of Plame -- who operated under the deepest form of cover -- was a grim reminder of the risks spies face.

"Cover and tradecraft are the only forms of protection one has and to have that stripped away because of political scheming is the moral equivalent to exposing forward deployed military units," said Arthur Brown, who retired in February as the CIA's Asian Division chief and is now a senior vice president at the consultancy firm Control Risks Group.

"In the case of the military, they can pack up and go elsewhere. In the case of a serving clandestine officer, it's the end of that officer's ability to function in that role."

Plame entered the CIA 20 years ago as a case officer at age 22. She spent several years in intensive training at home and abroad, and traveled widely, often presenting herself as a consultant.

Her official employer, listed in public records, was a Boston firm, now known to have been fictitious, named Brewster-Jennings & Associates. And during her years undercover she studied at the College of Europe in Bruges, Belgium.

When she met her future husband, Joseph C. Wilson IV, an ambassador, several years later at an embassy party, she introduced herself as an "energy analyst." It was a story she would tell her closest friends and neighbors for years.

All that changed after Wilson publicly revealed in The Washington Post and the New York Times on July 6, 2003, that he had officially investigated, and discounted, claims by President Bush that Iraq was trying to buy a key ingredient for nuclear weapons from Niger.

"The fact is, once your husband writes an op-ed piece and goes political, you have no immunity, and that's the way Washington works," said Robert Baer, who served in the CIA's clandestine service.

Eight days later, Novak, citing two senior administration officials, wrote that Wilson's trip was arranged by his wife, whom Novak identified by name as a CIA officer. The column generated speculation that the Bush administration had purposely blown her cover to try to discredit Wilson -- a critic of the administration's case for war.

"Blowing the cover of a CIA officer is the cardinal sin in the intelligence business: It could wipe out information networks and put lives at risk," Rep. Jane Harman (Calif.), ranking Democrat on the House intelligence panel, said in a statement.

For Plame, the most serious consequence may be professional.

"It's possible that no damage was done [to national security] but she can never [work] overseas again," said Mark Lowenthal, who retired from a senior management position at the CIA in March.

Lowenthal said he was unaware of the extent of damage that may have been caused by exposing Plame, who worked in the Counterproliferation Division at CIA headquarters in Langley.

"You can only speculate that if she had foreign contacts, those contacts might be nervous and their relationships with her put them at risk. It also makes it harder for other CIA officers to recruit sources," Lowenthal said.

Intelligence officials said they would never reveal the true extent of her contacts to protect the agency and its work.

"You'll never get a straight answer about how valuable she was or how valuable her sources were," said one intelligence official who would speak only anonymously.

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Trump Pardoned Libby to Protect Himself From Mueller

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I. Lewis Libby Jr., known as Scooter, center, in 2007 after being convicted of perjury. He had served as Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief of staff.CreditGerald Herbert/Associated Press


By Marcy Wheeler
Ms. Wheeler is the author of “Anatomy of Deceit: How the Bush Administration Used the Media to pSell the Iraq War and Out a Spy.”
April 13, 2018


“There is a cloud over the White House as to what happened. Don’t you think the F.B.I., the grand jury, the American people are entitled to a straight answer?”

With those words, uttered over a decade ago, Patrick Fitzgerald, a prosecutor appointed as special counsel to investigate whether the president and his closest aides had broken the rules of espionage for their own political gain, sealed the conviction of I. Lewis Libby Jr., known as Scooter, for obstructing his investigation into the White House.

Even with that conviction, we never learned the real story about whether Vice President Dick Cheney had ordered Mr. Libby, his chief of staff, to leak the identity of Valerie Plame to the press in retaliation for a Times Op-Ed by her husband, Joseph Wilson, calling out the president’s lies. We never learned whether Mr. Cheney gave those orders with the approval of the president or on his own. That’s because President George W. Bush added to the obstruction by commuting Mr. Libby’s sentence, ensuring that nothing would happen to the firewall that protected his own White House. Mr. Libby wouldn’t go to prison, but neither would he lose his Fifth Amendment privilege, which could make it easy to compel further testimony about his bosses.

On Friday another president with a special counsel investigation raging around him pardoned Mr. Libby. “I don’t know Mr. Libby,” President Trump said in the pardon announcement. “But for years I have heard that he has been treated unfairly. Hopefully, this full pardon will help rectify a very sad portion of his life.”


The move was entirely symbolic. Since his conviction in 2007, Mr. Libby had regained the two main privileges a felony conviction had stripped from him: his right to vote and his law license. This pardon will change nothing in Mr. Libby’s life.

Similarly, it will change nothing in Ms. Plame’s life. Her career working to prevent nuclear proliferation cannot be restored by presidential fiat.

“What I lost was the ability to do my job, which I loved,” Ms. Plame told me when asked about the pardon of Mr. Libby. “I developed expertise in making sure bad guys don’t get nuclear weapons. That’s what I’d be doing, and no one would know my name.”

Nor will the pardon of Mr. Libby do anything for the people who risk their lives to cooperate with the C.I.A., who were put at risk by Ms. Plame ’s exposure.

Mr. Trump’s action does nothing to change the past.

But it might change the lives or convictions of people whom President Trump does know: his own personal firewall. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen and any of his other close aides who are facing or may face potential prosecution pursuant to the investigation by Robert Mueller, the special counsel.

Mr. Manafort was indicted in October for hiding that he was working for a Russian-backed Ukrainian party while lobbying in the United States; charges against him could put him away for the rest of his life. F.B.I. agents raided the home and offices of Mr. Trump’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen this week; according to the Department of Justice, he is under criminal investigation by the Southern District of New York, and he may face charges of bank and wire fraud for paying hush money to prevent news of past sexual affairs from becoming public during the election. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to those who might incriminate him in crimes related to conspiring with Russians to tamper with the election: The message is that he will rectify any sadness that protecting a president might cause.

The thing is, Mr. Trump is unlikely to be able to use his pardon power to get out of his legal jam. That’s because several of his potential firewalls — Mr. Manafort, Mr. Cohen and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner — could be charged at the state level for the financial crimes they’re suspected of. A federal pardon would simply move their prosecution beyond Mr. Trump’s control.

And there are many more people who can incriminate the president, whereas in the investigation into Ms. Plame’s exposure, Mr. Libby was one of the only people who could say whether the president had authorized the leak of a C.I.A. officer’s identity. Already, three key witnesses have agreed to cooperate with Mr. Mueller against the president, so it’s probably too late to start silencing witnesses.

Finally, neither Mr. Trump nor his thoroughly outmatched legal team knows the full exposure he or potential witnesses face. Given the involvement of Russians trying to undermine the United States, the evidence Mr. Mueller may already have collected could well be even uglier than deliberately burning a C.I.A. spy for political gain.

That makes it a lot harder to pull off what George Bush did — protect his firewall.

Finally, Mr. Trump is running out of time. As NBC reported this week, Mr. Mueller is already preparing the first of two reports to Congress. This one will lay out the ways the president has already obstructed his investigation into election tampering. It will reportedly include the discussion of pardons with Mr. Manafort and Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Mike Flynn (who pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate in November). In other words, within weeks Mr. Mueller will inform Congress that President Trump has been offering pardons specifically to undercut the investigation into his actions.

Mr. Trump’s pardon of Mr. Libby makes it crystal clear that he thinks even the crime of making the country less safe can be excused if done in the service of protecting the president. But it doesn’t mean the pardon will protect him.


Marcy Wheeler (@emptywheel) writes about national security at the website Emptywheel.


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Times report: Trump’s lawyer secretly floated pardons to Manafort and Flynn

John Dowd is said to have broached the topic to Manafort’s and Flynn’s lawyers last year.

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Republican nominee Donald Trump with Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and Rick Gates at the Republican Convention on July 21, 2016.
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As special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigators prepared charges against Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn last year, President Donald Trump’s then-lawyer sent the two men word that Trump might pardon them, according to a new report from five New York Times journalists.


Yes — if the Times report is right, a personal lawyer for the president of the United States floated preemptive possible pardons in secret communications with two of the president’s close associates. And this sure looks like an attempt to prevent them from flipping and telling Mueller what they knew.

The lawyer, John Dowd, who departed Trump’s legal team last week, denied to the Times that he talked pardons, saying, “There were no discussions.” But the Times’s sources claim that Dowd floated pardons to both Flynn’s lawyer Robert Kelner and Manafort’s then-lawyer Reginald Brown before the two men were charged last fall.

The Times cites an anonymous person who claims that Dowd has spoken about the matter in private:

Mr. Dowd has said privately that he did not know why Mr. Flynn had accepted a plea, according to one of the people. He said he had told Mr. Kelner that the president had long believed that the case against Mr. Flynn was flimsy and was prepared to pardon him, the person said.

No pardons in the Russia probe have yet materialized. Flynn pleaded guilty to two charges of making false statements to investigators last December and began cooperating with Mueller’s team. Former Trump advisers George Papadopoulos and Rick Gates have similarly flipped, as part of plea deals.


But Manafort hasn’t, despite being hit with a plethora of tax, bank fraud, false statements, and other charges in two different venues, with documentary evidence that sure seems damning. “Given the nature of the charges against the defendant and the apparent weight of the evidence against him, defendant faces the very real possibility of spending the rest of his life in prison,” Judge T.S. Ellis, who is overseeing Manafort’s case in Virginia, said in court.

So there’s been much speculation in Washington that Manafort could be resisting a plea deal with Mueller’s team because he expects — or, perhaps, has been told — that Trump will pardon him eventually. (Manafort and his legal team claim he’s pleading not guilty because he’s genuinely innocent.)

Until today, that’s been mere speculation. But the Times report claims Trump’s lawyer did, in fact, talk to Manafort’s lawyer about a pardon. What exactly was said — or, perhaps, promised — remains unknown.


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