you spittin' truth in this here thread bruh..i see your logic on the first post. *salute*
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A deeper look into the friend zone/why women need men
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LoneStar29
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I actually agree with this part. Once you see you aren't going where you want to go, back off. All the favors and "being there" in the world isn't going to change the situation.
[hide]I cant for the hot lotion on a whip cream sandwhich understand how a woman can consider herself friends with another female when she wouldn't take her boyfriend around that "friend" because she feels that they might fuck.
Not only that but how could you consider him your man....nvm...but how can you call her a friend when you feel the only reason she hasn't stabbed you in the back is because she hasn't had the oppurtunity?
I couldn't hang out with or be friends with anyone like that. I dont even talk to co-workers on that tip if i know they dirty. But as women, ya'll choose the worst friends sometimes. And choose the worst boyfriends sometimes as well (not saying men dont).[/hide]
Am I the only one who sees this? Stop hiding shit!Especially when they're good points.
True to a point. It's also part of a lot of women's game to string dudes along if they can. We even had one make a thread about it on this board.
For any young dudes who are wondering how many times you have to wash her car to glimpse at the pussy, the answer is ZERO. The dude hitting it does NOT wash her car. At the most, he might take it to the AutoBell but she's paying for it.
I actually agree with this part. Once you see you aren't going where you want to go, back off. All the favors and "being there" in the world isn't going to change the situation.
Am I the only one who sees this? Stop hiding shit!Especially when they're good points.
True to a point. It's also part of a lot of women's game to string dudes along if they can. We even had one make a thread about it on this board.
For any young dudes who are wondering how many times you have to wash her car to glimpse at the pussy, the answer is ZERO. The dude hitting it does NOT wash her car. At the most, he might take it to the AutoBell but she's paying for it.
Yes. When you go into the friend zone men need to realize they aren't friends. You are a source of resources for her. Now while men and women can be friends (different then being friends with a female and being in the friend zone/simp zone) it's very hard. Two mature people that are male and female will have a hard time being friends not only because of the sex thing but more importantly men and women don't share enough interests to be friends usually. And the fact that she's a man and you're a woman. Which means ya'll can't relate very well with fundamental understandings and taboo's. Now what I mean by that is when two men are friends it's called a brotherhood*. Two women are friends it's called a sisterhood*. You know your role, you know the taboos, you know what your responsible for and all that. Their is no unique utopia for a good female and male friendship that bonds them together. I know without question as a man if I'm friends with another man there are certain things we don't do and certain things we do do. Kinda like the comercial 'man rules' where they make up rules that men can't do. With a female it's like no boundaries. Which is good and bad at the same time. The only reason I haven't found myself being friends with a female is they aren't good friends to me. they do dumb shit like call with nothing to talk about. Try to get me to chase them just to talk. Although I'm a gentleman I'm still a man. It's against my dna already to be platonic friends with a attractive female that I'm feeling and it's going against my dna even more to chase after a female just to talk to her. Like wtf...if we are going to be friends there is no reason you can't call me instead of mysteriously showing up and making yourself available to me and wearing perfume and staring at me from a distance. If we're going to be friends we need to be friends! Fuck the deceptive shit. And a lot of men fall for that shit. They keep thininking 'if I just keep on chasing her I'll get it'. No she's leading and stringing you along. She might even act jealous when she sees you with another female. And men will think 'oh maybe she does like me'...naw son.
You have a lot going on in this post and much of it contradicts. Hopefully more experience and openness to seeing how insane you are at 23 will show you where you're wrong.
It wasn't an accident that followup could tell your age with one post. That's not a slight just an observation.
I thought I was pretty fucking smart at 23 too. I know better at 37.
What exactly contradicts what?
I left it open in hopes you would ask.
That would bring into question the maturity of said man and said woman. Plenty of men and women have friends of the opposite sex where they have many of the same interests. That's how they ended up and remain friends in the first place.
Huh? All your males friends are not interchangeable just because they're guys so a female friend would also bring her own individual energy and perspective. That applies to females as well (for those of us who have had multiple female friends). So to say there's not a dynamic like same sex friendships isn't true.
As they get older, when they call, they have more to talk about. That's just a problem of youth not sex. That minor shit you think important is to you but not so much to someone else. The difference with women is they can feign interest in someone else's bullshit better than most men.
Here is the problem fundamentally right here and where you are absolutely right. You cannot be friends with someone you're attracted to. Trying is just sticking around hoping for "your chance".
A chick engaging in that is playing games and needs to be avoided.
A man's inability to remain friends with a woman because they don't share enough interests doesn't reflect his immaturity. We are all immature to some degree. But that doesn't reflect his maturity level. Men and women usually have different interests. Men like video games, women don't, women like shopping men don't...are there men and women that can be friends? Yes. But usually as I said (and you put it in bold to) it doesn't happen. A man usually has more male friends and a woman usually has more female friends. Usually*. And yes a woman has her own energy. But a friendship is more then energy and just talking. It's going out and having fun and making memories. A man and a woman aren't going to go out together and play basketball as just friends...usually. They aren't going to go to the strip club together....usually. Do some* go? Yes but usually they don't. People usually* have to go out and have fun together to be friends. That's why it's hard. Same sex or different you hang out together. That's the same reason why when someone moves to another town they usually only stay in contact with a few friends. They may talk on a month-to-month basis with their other friends and eventually that dies down. Because they can't share* their interests together. Yes I stand by my statement that two mature adults male and female will have a hard time staying friend if they don't share interests usually*.
Ok I see what you mean when you said she brings her own perspective. Yes she has a perspective but doesn't have one on a brotherhood. And a man doesn't have one on a sister hood. Their are certain things a woman doesn't do and certain things women do in a sisterhood. Like for example some females have a thing were they don't give each other constructive because they know they will fall out (someone say I'm lying). Notice I said some*. Now some females have the rule where we come together we leave together. Reffering to a club. Those are taboos and understandings that hold a sisterhood together. As a man I will not know what a sisterhood is and as a woman she will not know what a brotherhood is. And the same sex friendship is a very special bond. Intergender friendship will be harder* (not impossible) because there really aren't any ground rules at all. As a there are certain things a woman won't understand and certain things a man won't understand. So when I mean she won't understand the taboos and shit I mean the boundaries you just don't cross. The good fences make good neighbors.
It seems like you had some bad run-ins with some girls.
Maybe one day you will find a woman.
Maybe one day you will find a woman.
Not trying to be an ass, but do you really believe that?
LOL hell yea. Women expect men to be men. If you are washing a womans car because you really don't have the balls to be up front with her and tell her you want to have sex she's going to assume you just want to wash her car. lol
The main reason men get caught up with women leading them on is because they are chasing pussy. Once you stop chasing pussy you will have real relationships with women. Every simp ever has been chasing pussy period. Once you get out of the mindstate that pussy is your sole goal in relationships with women a)you become more appealing to women b)you can no longer be lured into doing things you really don't want to do just for some pussy.
Trust and believe guys doing favors in hopes of repayment in pussy is the most pathetic way to enter into a sexual relationship with a woman. But in my opinion it's not the womans fault that you choose to basically beg for pussy it's your fault for not being a man.
LoneStar29
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Thanks for the perspective, but I believe that women aren't stupid enough to believe that you're washing their car just because you like to wash cars. Women either ask or allow favors to be done for them knowing full well that the guys is attracted to them and is doing so in the hopes that she with break him off. As long as he doesn't put it out there like that, (speaking about his true feelings and motivations) she'll play ignorant. I bet if you asked her to make you a big dinner, you'd get the opposite type of response (oh, I'm busy or I got something else to do). Women won't put priority on going out of their way for you unless she has feelings for you. I agree guys are suckas for behaving like that, but you live and learn.
Trying to figure out how did this thread that's about why women need men/a deep look into the friend zone turn exclusively in to How to stay out of the friend zone
Everything was addressed except the facts i stated about why women that have a friend zone- need that friend zone. And why women need men.
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I cook big dinners for my friends all the time. They're my friends. I'm taking care of them. That's what friends do.
If i need my car detailed or something done to the house. Guess what? I have friends who'll help.
If i need my car detailed or something done to the house. Guess what? I have friends who'll help.
The mistake you're making and insist on making is making it about the male-female dynamic. Two men with little in common will not be friends just because they're men. If I like strip clubs but I have a friend that doesn't, we don't go to the club together and that friend could be a man just like it could be a woman. But if you can't be friends with a woman just because she's a woman, that's immaturity. Not being able to be friends with someone you don't have much in common with is perfectly normal.
This is where your idea lacks depth.
This is also where you lack depth.
I have a three brothers and one sister. I am no more a brother to those three than I am to the one. It's the same thing in friendships. Being a woman doesn't make another woman a better friend just because she's a woman. It may seem like it and some women want to propagate that myth but it's not true.
There are ground rules (usually unspoken) to every friendship. I don't need to understand some mythical boundary to understand my friend.
Age is a better determinant of how close friends can be than sex. It's much harder to talk to your much younger same sex friend than it is an opposite sex friend closer to your age.
Hell yeah.
The mistake you're making and insist on making is making it about the male-female dynamic. Two men with little in common will not be friends just because they're men. If I like strip clubs but I have a friend that doesn't, we don't go to the club together and that friend could be a man just like it could be a woman. But if you can't be friends with a woman just because she's a woman, that's immaturity. Not being able to be friends with someone you don't have much in common with is perfectly normal.
This is where your idea lacks depth.
This is also where you lack depth.
I have a three brothers and one sister. I am no more a brother to those three than I am to the one. It's the same thing in friendships. Being a woman doesn't make another woman a better friend just because she's a woman. It may seem like it and some women want to propagate that myth but it's not true.
There are ground rules (usually unspoken) to every friendship. I don't need to understand some mythical boundary to understand my friend.
Age is a better determinant of how close friends can be than sex. It's much harder to talk to your much younger same sex friend than it is an opposite sex friend closer to your age.
Hell yeah.
I'm glad my dudes don't think like that. smh, but then all my dude friends are my age or older.
Im sure you do. I'm not saying it's impossible. Nor am i saying you dont have male friends.
The mistake you're making and insist on making is making it about the male-female dynamic. Two men with little in common will not be friends just because they're men. If I like strip clubs but I have a friend that doesn't, we don't go to the club together and that friend could be a man just like it could be a woman. But if you can't be friends with a woman just because she's a woman, that's immaturity. Not being able to be friends with someone you don't have much in common with is perfectly normal.
This is where your idea lacks depth.
This is also where you lack depth.
I have a three brothers and one sister. I am no more a brother to those three than I am to the one. It's the same thing in friendships. Being a woman doesn't make another woman a better friend just because she's a woman. It may seem like it and some women want to propagate that myth but it's not true.
There are ground rules (usually unspoken) to every friendship. I don't need to understand some mythical boundary to understand my friend.
Age is a better determinant of how close friends can be than sex. It's much harder to talk to your much younger same sex friend than it is an opposite sex friend closer to your age.
Hell yeah.
I can agree with the above part
ya mama
My mother is both old and country, what's your point?
Really I was going to go with the old comeback of "My mama's dead" but that would have been too much.
Okay. But you see what I mean that a lot of the things you're talking about apply just as much to any type of friendship, right?
Another thing, no ya'll dont go to the strip club together but ya'll will have something else that bonds ya'll together. Men and women usually dont share enough interests that bond them together.
Women know to have a bond with a man you have to share interests with them. They know this from the day they are like 5 years old. To prove the most previous sentence i'ma break it down to you like this.
I've talked and dated enough women that grew up with their fathers or had an older brother. The convo's often times turn deep and they often reveal that they like something because their father liked it. Like this girl, she said she doesn't even really think she truly loves baseball, she just caught on to it because her father loved it and she wanted to be closer to her father. Another female said she caught on to basketball because her older brother was great at it and she wanted to have a closer bond with him through basketball. So at a young age a woman understand that you have share some of the same interests with men to bond with them.
My lil cousin whoi reffered to in this post acts like me to a T. Any song i like, she likes. I take up boxing, she takes it up, i dont like something all of a sudden she doesn't like it. It's about holding a bond.
Now you need to have several interests that hold you to someone for their to be a bond....USUALLY*.
Now if you just talk......yes you can be friends. The lesbian i said i was talking to in this thread could have been a great friend just off of talking. She stimulated my concious and showed interests and was at first very interactive. We never skipped a beat. We would talk about our experiences, how they affected us and all that. Every time i walked a way talking with her i felt as though i learned something about the world i live in or the world she lives in a a female.
Only reason we didn't become friends is because she wanted me to chase her down and dumb shit like that. She'd never initiate a convo with me ever but only make her self available.
That goes back to my point that you can be friends with someone that you dont share interests with but it usually******** doesnt' happen.
Your thinking is too broad and too narrow at the same time and that's a helluva trick.
It's too narrow in the respect that you keep making it seem like this is something unique to men-women relations and it's not. As I said earlier, you seem insistent on this.
It's too broad because you make it seem as if men and women don't share enough common interests in general to be friends and that's not true. There are a lot of women who like sports and a lot of men that like silly tv shows like "Real Housewives of Atlanta"(yeah, that's me). The issue is finding friends that share your interests.
As you said, my boy that doesn't like strip clubs is my friend because we have other either similar interests or like personalities. That applies to my female friends too.
Where real friends are concerned, the sex line doesn't really exist. Them being of the opposite sex only comes up if one of you is in a committed relationship and the other knows to back off a little out of respect of the partner.
Yes! And stop with that "there are a lot of women that like sports". compare the percentage of men that like sports to the percentage of women that like sports and i gurantee there will not be a lot. Stop that. There will be some. Not a lot. How many women dont know the difference between a touchdown and a homerun...come on now. Stop that. you know that. Unless you want to consider lets say 35% of women a lot....then i cant argue with you there. I would be surprised if the number was even that high. How many women know who won the last 3 nba championships?Your thinking is too broad and too narrow at the same time and that's a helluva trick.
It's too narrow in the respect that you keep making it seem like this is something unique to men-women relations and it's not. As I said earlier, you seem insistent on this.
It's too broad because you make it seem as if men and women don't share enough common interests in general to be friends and that's not true. There are a lot of women who like sportsand a lot of men that like silly tv shows like "Real Housewives of Atlanta"(yeah, that's me). The issue is finding friends that share your interests.
As you said, my boy that doesn't like strip clubs is my friend because we have other either similar interests or like personalities. That applies to my female friends too.
Where real friends are concerned, the sex line doesn't really exist. Them being of the opposite sex only comes up if one of you is in a committed relationship and the other knows to back off a little out of respect of the partner.
Unless your definition of a lot is different then mine then i cant argue that any further.
And also to add
There aren't a lot of men that like desperate house wives. I gurantee advertisers show tampons and kaplan comercials during that show. Why? Because they know that their target audeience is women. Desperate house wives is not something men watch in general.
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My mother is both old and country, what's your point?
Really I was going to go with the old comeback of "My mama's dead" but that would have been too much.
I've always got a nice one for the my mom's dead. I'm just 35, i'm not OLD! Nor am i country, i don't even KNOW where you get this from?
I speak very properly, and my thinking and ideas are very modern and progressive sir.
I'll have you know! *straightening bonnet*
No, bruh, a lot of women like sports. Football and baseball stadiums aren't just filled with men and the occassional woman they dragged along. More women even play sports than any time in this country's history so you think they don't watch?
Meet more women.
I picked "Housewives" out of thin air but don't pretend there aren't a lot of men who know who Nene Leakes is. Even if you don't, you'd be surprised how many do.
Okay, if you say so (smh not believing a damn word).
And 35 and married makes you old as shit on this board and you know it.
Glad I didn't use "my mama's dead" then. I never meet people who can come back to that. But then I can sell it better when I'm looking at the person and I hit them with this
.No, bruh, a lot of women like sports. Football and baseball stadiums aren't just filled with men and the occassional woman they dragged along. More women even play sports than any time in this country's history so you think they don't watch?
Meet more women.
I picked "Housewives" out of thin air but don't pretend there aren't a lot of men who know who Nene Leakes is. Even if you don't, you'd be surprised how many do.
Okay, if you say so (smh not believing a damn word).
And 35 and married makes you old as shit on this board and you know it.
Glad I didn't use "my mama's dead" then. I never meet people who can come back to that. But then I can sell it better when I'm looking at the person and I hit them with this
The link to verify
So i was kinda close. It's not 35% it's 40%.
You still consider 40% a lot?
No, bruh, a lot of women like sports. Football and baseball stadiums aren't just filled with men and the occassional woman they dragged along. More women even play sports than any time in this country's history so you think they don't watch?
Meet more women.
I picked "Housewives" out of thin air but don't pretend there aren't a lot of men who know who Nene Leakes is. Even if you don't, you'd be surprised how many do.
Okay, if you say so (smh not believing a damn word).
And 35 and married makes you old as shit on this board and you know it.
Glad I didn't use "my mama's dead" then. I never meet people who can come back to that. But then I can sell it better when I'm looking at the person and I hit them with this
AHHH yeah you do have a point there. lol On this board it is old as hell here. And yeah my momma comeback isn't very nice. I try not to resort to it. But i see it as a forcing my hand move. You brought it up...why did you think it would defuse me? smh. And yeah it does work better with the puss n boots look from Shrek.
40% out of 150 million? Yeah, that's a lot. Black people make up 12-14% of the general population, don't you think there's a lot of us.
It makes it even funnier when I go from
to "You know I'm bullshitting with your soft ass!".
Naw, you is country.
Wait a minute... let me get this straight... you're saying that you believe that a woman believes that a man repeatedly washing her car for free means that 'he likes washing her car' for free and that's ALL there is to it?
lol! Excellent spin... and to a large degree I agree... what I DON'T agree with is that the woman in question simply thinks that the guy likes washing her car. lol! They know that the guy is washing her car for the possibility of pussy and they are saying to themselves, "Well, if he ain't gonna ask for the pussy upfront I ain't gonna tell him no upfront. Besides, I need my car detailed." LOL!
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