A chunk of ice the size of Ireland "broke off" of Antarctica...

[sharkbait28]

Damn son and mufuckas is STILL arguing global warming.

The only people arguing against global warming are known oil company shills and a few contrarians who love to buck scientific convention.

Man made global warming has reached a level of scientific consensus rarely achieved in modern times.

And about the ice sheets melting......yeah...ummmm....we're all gonna die.

 

[reffahead]

Yall niggas don't like the ocean but you better embrace it and invest in a sailboat instead of an Excursion.

BTW, somebody hoard some of that ice, it gots to be some of the best drinking water around.

 

[Zero]

The volcanic activity is enough to melt the ice from the bottom up in some areas and this water flows in rivers under the ice. If the ice shelves break away/melt away faster than they can be replaced the possible ramifications of millions of tons of ice slipping into the oceans at some speed is truly cataclysmic.

Man, the part that tripped me out was that the piece that was the size of Rhode Island that broke off a couple of years ago and now this piece that is the size of Ireland ONLY MAKE UP FOUR PERCENT OF THAT PARTICULAR SHELF!!! And it is one of many shelves (I think this is only the Western shelf). You are right, it is a combination of things, but the volcanic activity has been a part of the natural process for thousands of years that helped keep the shelves stable. Now with heat coming form the top and the bottom, things are getting shakey. A lot of people don't realize that even with the cold temperatures, the poles get a shitload of radiation directly from the Sun because the electromagnetic fields have what could be called "holes" in them at the poles (that's why you can actually see the fields near the poles in the form of the aurora borealis). The magnetic poles are a big balancing act that keeps the whole planet going.

 

[GeeZnu]

THE MEDIA COULD BE FUCKING WIT YA


[FLASH]http://youtube.com/v/Io-Tb7vTamY[/FLASH]

 

[sharkbait28]

Yall niggas don't like the ocean but you better embrace it and invest in a sailboat instead of an Excursion.

BTW, somebody hoard some of that ice, it gots to be some of the best drinking water around.

Yo....."Waterworld"..... legendary failure of a movie OR an omen of things to come?

You decide fam.

 

[sharkbait28]

THE MEDIA COULD BE FUCKING WIT YA


[FLASH]http://youtube.com/v/Io-Tb7vTamY[/FLASH]

Homeboy....do yourself a favor and believe the exact oposite of everything Glenn Beck believes.

 

[Fuckallyall]

The only people arguing against global warming are known oil company shills and a few contrarians who love to buck scientific convention.

Man made global warming has reached a level of scientific consensus rarely achieved in modern times.

And about the ice sheets melting......yeah...ummmm....we're all gonna die.

Not true Homie. And don't believe the hype about oil companies, as many of them stand to make billions from the "alternate" forms of energy governments are trying to make us use. There are many solid scientists who are not convinced about AGW (Anthropogenc Global Warming), among them the founder of the weather channel, the scientist in charge of studying the Ice Cap in Alaska, and many others.

Also, consesus does not make fact. Provable theories and examples make fact. If consens makes fact, then alot of things should have happened. Just to let you know, NONE of the major theories have beeen borne out by fact predicted by the models put forth, and most of the global warming in the last century took place before WWII, then the Earth cooled for the next 30 years. It does not add up. Check it out.

 

[mk23666]

Man, the part that tripped me out was that the piece that was the size of Rhode Island that broke off a couple of years ago and now this piece that is the size of Ireland ONLY MAKE UP FOUR PERCENT OF THAT PARTICULAR SHELF!!! And it is one of many shelves (I think this is only the Western shelf). You are right, it is a combination of things, but the volcanic activity has been a part of the natural process for thousands of years that helped keep the shelves stable. Now with heat coming form the top and the bottom, things are getting shakey. A lot of people don't realize that even with the cold temperatures, the poles get a shitload of radiation directly from the Sun because the electromagnetic fields have what could be called "holes" in them at the poles (that's why you can actually see the fields near the poles in the form of the aurora borealis). The magnetic poles are a big balancing act that keeps the whole planet going.

It was said on the news today that if there weresn't holes in the ozone the warming trend would be slightly greater.

BTW, somebody hoard some of that ice, it gots to be some of the best drinking water around.

Altho I know this was a joke. I wonder how long it will be before they actually do start harvesting icebergs.

 

[CPT Callamity]

Ok...so what...there is nothing man can do about it. You can stop farting for 100 yrs and that won't do jack shit. Let nature take it's course and hold on for the ride. Besides, Venus, Mars and the other planets are getting hotter too. The sun goes through cycles...fuck, why am I explaining this?

global Warming = Biggest money making scheme since wars aren't working.

 

[Zero]

Not true Homie. And don't believe the hype about oil companies, as many of them stand to make billions from the "alternate" forms of energy governments are trying to make us use. There are many solid scientists who are not convinced about AGW (Anthropogenc Global Warming), among them the founder of the weather channel, the scientist in charge of studying the Ice Cap in Alaska, and many others.

Also, consesus does not make fact. Provable theories and examples make fact. If consens makes fact, then alot of things should have happened. Just to let you know, NONE of the major theories have beeen borne out by fact predicted by the models put forth, and most of the global warming in the last century took place before WWII, then the Earth cooled for the next 30 years. It does not add up. Check it out.

That's because a lot of it is over hyped, but it's definitely having an impact. It's one of those things where it gets exaggerated to the point where some people just blow off the whole thing. The Earth is constantly making adjustments to stay in balance and we may not like some of the adjustments it makes, but humans are most definitely tearing shit up and having an impact. Funny thing is, if we disappeared tomorrow, the Earth would "heal" to the point where it was like we were never here in a few years. Hell, we can't even destroy the planet with our bombs, we can destroy US (as in humans), but the planet will "heal" and keep rolling. Best believe we can't just keep rolling the way we are today without consequences to humans. Anybody in the science community that even hints at that is a liar.

 

[Muddy Waters]

Ya'll negros better learn how to swim.

 

[Zero]

It was said on the news today that if there weresn't holes in the ozone the warming trend would be slightly greater.

It's a cyclical thing, it helps in one area and hurts another. Shit just has to stay in balance. The ozone holes (remember when that was all the hype) are in some places while there is too much ozone in others. I don't think it's so much that We are destroying the Earth as it is the Earth adjusting as it needs to adjust to us abusing it and kicking our asses form time to time in the process.

My argument for getting off of oil has to do more with the way the shit is causing so much global unrest. Everybody gets on their own sustainable evergy path and it frees people up from these damn corporate assholes and Arab cartels that are fucking over the planet. Get some solar panels on your crib and an electric car and all of a sudden, you are free of a lot of bullshit.

 

[mk23666]

Ok...so what...there is nothing man can do about it. You can stop farting for 100 yrs and that won't do jack shit. Let nature take it's course and hold on for the ride. Besides, Venus, Mars and the other planets are getting hotter too. The sun goes through cycles...fuck, why am I explaining this?

global Warming = Biggest money making scheme since wars aren't working.

Man can limit the damage he is doing to the planet. Letting nature take it's course might be the worst thing to do.

If the Sun is going through a warming trend (even tho it's effect would be minimal) all the more reason to limit our effects on that natural balance.

 

[Riggz]

 

[sharkbait28]

Not true Homie. And don't believe the hype about oil companies, as many of them stand to make billions from the "alternate" forms of energy governments are trying to make us use. There are many solid scientists who are not convinced about AGW (Anthropogenc Global Warming), among them the founder of the weather channel, the scientist in charge of studying the Ice Cap in Alaska, and many others.


Also, consesus does not make fact. Provable theories and examples make fact. If consens makes fact, then alot of things should have happened. Just to let you know, NONE of the major theories have beeen borne out by fact predicted by the models put forth, and most of the global warming in the last century took place before WWII, then the Earth cooled for the next 30 years. It does not add up. Check it out.

Ay dude....I remember we had a convo about this in the politics section. Listen....I understand your point of view. Global warming has become an issue du jour and theres a lot of hand wringing and shrillness around it. I don't quite understand your willingness to brush aside so much compellling peer reviewed evidence for the impact of man on global warming. Our actions....as massive as they are in scope....ARE having an impact on our larger ecology. Why is it so hard to believe this?

Even if I grant that the naysayers may be right (however small the chance)it doesn't change the fact the evidence for our impact far outweighs whatver evidence exists for those who suggest otherwise.

Some resources for those who have'nt dug their heels in the ground like my man Fuckallyall.

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html

http://unfccc.int/2860.php

That's because a lot of it is over hyped, but it's definitely having an impact. It's one of those things where it gets exaggerated to the point where some people just blow off the whole thing. The Earth is constantly making adjustments to stay in balance and we may not like some of the adjustments it makes, but humans are most definitely tearing shit up and having an impact. Funny thing is, if we disappeared tomorrow, the Earth would "heal" to the point where it was like we were never here in a few years. Hell, we can't even destroy the planet with our bombs, we can destroy US (as in humans), but the planet will "heal" and keep rolling. Best believe we can't just keep rolling the way we are today without consequences to humans. Anybody in the science community that even hints at that is a liar.

Cosign.....although I have a little more faith in our ability to fuck shit up

 

[GeeZnu]

Homeboy....do yourself a favor and believe the exact oposite of everything Glenn Beck believes.

Didnt say i believed it just saying open ya mind may not be the case

 

[kwazdog]

i'VE ALLWAYS BEEN A MOUNTAIN MAN AT HEART ANYWAY!!!

 

[Fuckallyall]

Ay dude....I remember we had a convo about this in the politics section. Listen....I understand your point of view. Global warming has become an issue du jour and theres a lot of hand wringing and shrillness around it. I don't quite understand your willingness to brush aside so much compellling peer reviewed evidence for the impact of man on global warming. Our actions....as massive as they are in scope....ARE having an impact on our larger ecology. Why is it so hard to believe this?

Even if I grant that the naysayers may be right (however small the chance)it doesn't change the fact the evidence for our impact far outweighs whatver evidence exists for those who suggest otherwise.

Some resources for those who have'nt dug their heels in the ground like my man Fuckallyall.

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/glob-warm.html

http://unfccc.int/2860.php





Cosign.....although I have a little more faith in our ability to fuck shit up

It's not that I just dug my heels in over nothing, or that I brush aside evidence, but thier predictions have proven to be innacurate beyond tolerances established by thier own standards. I actually feel that folks like you and many scientists have abandoned reason on many occasions.

It's simple, if putting more co2 raises the temperature, why did the earth cool for decades as the level steadily increased ? Why have all of the other warming periods have co2 level raises trail the warming by centuries ? There is much more, if you wish to learn.

 

[HarlemPerv]

Were done.

Its going to be Day After Tomorrow for real in a couple of decades.

 

[darius_janus]

Ok...so what...there is nothing man can do about it. You can stop farting for 100 yrs and that won't do jack shit. Let nature take it's course and hold on for the ride. Besides, Venus, Mars and the other planets are getting hotter too. The sun goes through cycles...fuck, why am I explaining this?

global Warming = Biggest money making scheme since wars aren't working.

could not agree more...

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Were done.

Its going to be Day After Tomorrow for real in a couple of decades.

thankfully itll never end up like this

 

[DAHITMAN]

All of you need to trade in your SUVs for a hybrid, conserve energy, recycle, protect our last remaining wilderness.

 

[infamouz646]

i'll be long gone before that shyt goes down

 

[Legacyns]

Homeboy....do yourself a favor and believe the exact oposite of everything Glenn Beck believes.

Glenn Beck isn't making the analysis. He's hosting the show.

Mafuckas act like this never happened..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

 

[cbm_redux]

Bullshit they should be talking about the coming ice age

Global warming could precipitate an ice age by desalinating the oceans' waters thereby possibly breaking down the Atlantic Heat Conveyor.

 

[cbm_redux]

Glenn Beck isn't making the analysis. He's hosting the show.

Mafuckas act like this never happened..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

These dumb niggas obviously don't know that climatologists describe the current era as an interglacial period. There isn't a question of if the Northern hemisphere will be covered under miles of ice, just when.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial

 

[sharkbait28]

Glenn Beck isn't making the analysis. He's hosting the show.

Mafuckas act like this never happened..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

I realize that partna.....but here's the thing. The whole show is framed as an expose on the "exaggerated threat" of global warming....and aims to present "alternative" theories. To suggest that there's no agenda is ridiculous.

Besides Glenn Beck is a douchebag and his show is garbage.

Here's the thing though.......any attempt to suggest that global warming has not been helped along by human impact flies in the face of all serious science (and by serious I mean peer reviewed).

The cyclical nature of ice ages has nothing to do with the fact that our activities have contributed to the present state of affairs.

 

[sharkbait28]

These dumb niggas obviously don't know that climatologists describe the current era as an interglacial period. There isn't a question of if the Northern hemisphere will be covered under miles of ice, just when.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interglacial

Yeah.....

climatologists don't overwhelmingly believe that global warming is at least partly to do with human activity

 

[mk23666]

It's not that I just dug my heels in over nothing, or that I brush aside evidence, but thier predictions have proven to be innacurate beyond tolerances established by thier own standards. I actually feel that folks like you and many scientists have abandoned reason on many occasions.

It's simple, if putting more co2 raises the temperature, why did the earth cool for decades as the level steadily increased ? Why have all of the other warming periods have co2 level raises trail the warming by centuries ? There is much more, if you wish to learn.

The limited cooling seen could be caused by several factors. A decrease in solar flares for an extended time, volcanic eruptions expelling particles that shade the sunlight, increase in carbon absorbsion by plant life in the sea and land and/or changes in weather patterns that distribute the Artic air. But all those factors aren't reliable/predictable/controlable ... what we are doing to add to it is.

 

[Fuckallyall]

The limited cooling seen could be caused by several factors. A decrease in solar flares for an extended time, volcanic eruptions expelling particles that shade the sunlight, increase in carbon absorbsion by plant life in the sea and land and/or changes in weather patterns that distribute the Artic air. But all those factors aren't reliable/predictable/controlable ... what we are doing to add to it is.

Those things COULD have caused it, but none of those things have happened. Solar flares, volcanic eruptions and absorption of CO2 by vegatation have been fully accounted for. That is why I am concerened. What they have predicted has not come true, so then they change thier theory to comport with what happened.

 

[mk23666]

Those things COULD have caused it, but none of those things have happened. Solar flares, volcanic eruptions and absorption of CO2 by vegatation have been fully accounted for. That is why I am concerened. What they have predicted has not come true, so then they change thier theory to comport with what happened.

Really? I'll have to look into that, but I don't recall anything being said that these factors were accounted for. (either one by one or in mass)

If they don't account for the brief coooling then what does, and why the return to increase now? Since each of these factors are transient it could explain the reason for the return to warming. Weather is extremely complex, so there may be some lag time in the predicted out comes, but why not error on the side of caution. Particulate pollution is a factor not mentioned as well.

Speaking of pollution, the same arguments used against Global Warming were made about the relationship pollution had to acid rain, birth defects, crop failures, algea blooms, and the like. It took time to get a concensus then too, and yet we still have industries fighting regulations and lobbying against stricter pollution controls today.

 

[Fuckallyall]

Really? I don't recall anything being said that these factors were accounted for. If they don't account for the brief coooling then what did, and why the return to increase now. Since each of these factors are transient it could explain the reason for the return to warming. Weather is extremely complex, so there may be some lag time in the predicted out comes. Why not error on the side of caution. Particulate pollution is a factor not mentioned as well.

Speaking of pollution, the same arguments were made about the relation to acid rain, birth defects, crop failures, algea blooms, and the like. It took time to get a concensus then too, and yet we still have industries fighting regulations and lobbying against stricter pollution controls today.

Let's stick to the discussion at hand, and we can start another thread about other forms of pollution.
With that said, if you take a look at what's out there, you will find that there accurate predictors existing for the effect solar flares have on our environment. Also, there were no volcanic explosions during the time period at issue to put off enough particulate matter to cause the cooling, and there have been accurate models created to account for the weather related effects of volcanic explosions. And the reason they are not mentioned is because those are VERY inconvinient truths. According to the accepted theories, it should actually be hotter that it is, and the Arctic Ice sheet should not have melted as much as it did last year. Thier predictions are not accurate, so why should we decimate our economies because of them? Holla.

 

[BlackMike313]

Good maybe it will melt and dilute all the drugs in the water

 

[mk23666]

Let's stick to the discussion at hand, and we can start another thread about other forms of pollution.
With that said, if you take a look at what's out there, you will find that there accurate predictors existing for the effect solar flares have on our environment. Also, there were no volcanic explosions during the time period at issue to put off enough particulate matter to cause the cooling, and there have been accurate models created to account for the weather related effects of volcanic explosions. And the reason they are not mentioned is because those are VERY inconvinient truths. According to the accepted theories, it should actually be hotter that it is, and the Arctic Ice sheet should not have melted as much as it did last year. Thier predictions are not accurate, so why should we decimate our economies because of them? Holla.

I thought I was sticking to the discussion.

Volcanic Eruptions Caused Cooling in the Twentieth Century
http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0209-volcano.html
http://www.atmos.umd.edu/~owen/CHPI/IMAGES/volceff.html

 

[Fuckallyall]

I thought I was sticking to the discussion.

Volcanic Eruptions Caused Cooling in the Twentieth Century
http://news.mongabay.com/2006/0209-volcano.html
http://www.atmos.umd.edu/~owen/CHPI/IMAGES/volceff.html

1. I was referring to the other subjects you raised.
2. Thanks for the article, and I read it. I will have to look at the source material, as what they are saying is contrary to all of the other information known about the effect of large scale volcanic activity. What they are saying is that after the initial cooling of the atmosphere because of refraction, we then get a big rise in temperature for a couple of decades, then a big cooling for a couple of decades more. It goes against other things they have said. If thats the case, then we will should see similar effects on a lesser scale from both the Mt. Saint helens and Mt. Pinatubo eruptions.