911- The government did it

Makeherhappy said:
It shows how the "media" stood down. This also helps me with what I'm working on.

Plus I don't understand how people can not question the official story. There is to much left in doubt. My father was an architect, he had worked on several buildings in downtown chicago, during the 60's and 70's. The story is not true.
You still haven't said "what" in the content of the post that conveys
understanding or helps to clear this matter up, if it needs clearing.
You father was an architect, in all due respect to your father, what
does that have to do with the price of DVD's ??? I was going to ask you
what problems you have with the so-called "official story" ... but I
will read above first.

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
You still haven't said "what" in the content of the post that conveys
understanding or helps to clear this matter up, if it needs clearing.
You father was an architect, in all due respect to your father, what
does that have to do with the price of DVD's ??? I was going to ask you
what problems you have with the so-called "official story" ... but I
will read above first.

QueEx

Question: What, in the content of the post conveys understanding or helps to clear up this matter?

Ans. It shows how the "media" stood down
Expound. The countless accounts of other explosions. The media(news) normally ask a lot of questions. That was not done.

Statement. Thank you for showing respect to my father, as I would return the favor. People today don't respect our elders, and I'm glad you do.

Question: What does that have to do with the price of DVD's?

Ans. I don't know, that is a question for the MPAA.

Question: What is your problem of the official story?

Ans. No one has questioned it.
 
FIRST CLIP FEATURING DON DAHLER ON ABC NEWS:

The reporter said he heard a sound (didn't say that he saw a damn thing); it
sounded like it could have been a missile; later in the clip he concentrates on
distinguishing whatever he heard from being a "Prop Plane" (meaning an airplane
with propellers whether combustion powered or jet-assisted); then he heard an
explosion (the reporter W/ ABC didn't question the witness further - to determine
whether what he heard could have been a jet striking one of the WTC - because
at that time the didn't know what had happened); and towards the end of the
short clip, the witness says emphaticallyi it definitely was not a prop plane, it could
have been a missile or a jet.

Now, what did Dahler say that contradicts, in any way, that a passenger
plane struck a WTC ??? Please be specific.


QueEx
 
QueEx said:
FIRST CLIP FEATURING DON DAHLER ON ABC NEWS:

The reporter said he heard a sound (didn't say that he saw a damn thing); it
sounded like it could have been a missile; later in the clip he concentrates on
distinguishing whatever he heard from being a "Prop Plane" (meaning an airplane
with propellers whether combustion powered or jet-assisted); then he heard an
explosion (the reporter W/ ABC didn't question the witness further - to determine
whether what he heard could have been a jet striking one of the WTC - because
at that time the didn't know what had happened); and towards the end of the
short clip, the witness says emphaticallyi it definitely was not a prop plane, it could
have been a missile or a jet.

Now, what did Dahler say that contradicts, in any way, that a passenger
plane struck a WTC ??? Please be specific.


QueEx

Maybe you read something I didn't type. I haven't said anything about doubting a plane flew into the WTC towers.

I am questioning the "collapse" of WTC 7.

Not doubting the fact that planes flew into the buildings.
 
Makeherhappy said:
Question: What, in the content of the post conveys understanding or helps to clear up this matter?

Ans. It shows how the "media" stood down
Expound. The countless accounts of other explosions. The media(news) normally ask a lot of questions. That was not done.
YOU have ASSUMED there were explosions (other than the jets exploding into the buildings) and YOU have ASSUMED that fuel from the jets did not interact with something in the buildings (electrical system, perhaps) that would have cause secondary reactions that sounded like explosions. I was about to go through those clips before you responded, but the first withness "Dahler" said he heard and explosion after he heard a whinning or roar of a missile or jet. Wasn't the explosion he heard -- the jet colliding with the building ??? Does countless accounts of the same sound (an explosion) make it more explosions or numerous accounts of the same explosion(s) ???

Most importantly, however, you came to the conclusion that the "Media Stood Down". Must be your imagination -- because I like millions of others recall that day in vivid detail and I, like them, recall tons of questions, during and following the event.

Statement. Thank you for showing respect to my father, as I would return the favor. People today don't respect our elders, and I'm glad you do.

Question: What does that have to do with the price of DVD's?

Ans. I don't know, that is a question for the MPAA.
My point was so what. I'm proud of your father as well, but you didn't offer a single fact that your father added to the game. Simply, my father was an architect, therefore, I should know what I am talking about. Can you see whats wrong with that ???

Question: What is your problem of the official story?

Ans. No one has questioned it.
Is it that no one has questioned it (which is bullshit, because that is what the source of every post in this thread is about) or, you have questions but you don't know what they are yet ???

Do you question the so-called conspiracy theories of what happened ???

QueEx
 
Makeherhappy said:
Maybe you read something I didn't type. I haven't said anything about doubting a plane flew into the WTC towers.

I am questioning the "collapse" of WTC 7.

Not doubting the fact that planes flew into the buildings.
Okay. Its not easy have a chat discussion on a board like this because it takes too much time between posts (its not spontaneous), but it helps if you follow the flow. My comments were to that first video clip in Get Hot's post (just above) that you thought was so great. I rehashed the essence of that clip and asked a question.

Now tell me, what about that first clip is SO GREAT ???

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
Okay. Its not easy have a chat discussion on a board like this because it takes too much time between posts (its not spontaneous), but it helps if you follow the flow. My comments were to that first video clip in Get Hot's post (just above) that you thought was so great. I rehashed the essence of that clip and asked a question.

Now tell me, what about that first clip is SO GREAT ???

QueEx


Did you watch all of the videos? The different accounts from different people is what made that post great, to me. Now the thread, is something totally different.
 
Makeherhappy said:
Did you watch all of the videos? The different accounts from different people is what made that post great, to me. Now the thread, is something totally different.
I've listened to the first 10 and I don't find anything remarkable about them. Was there something in one of the first 10 that you seem to believe is important ??? Is there something in a specific one that you find remarkable ???

I don't see a need to listening to all of them. Tell me which ones are important.

QueEx
 
Makeherhappy said:
Did you watch all of the videos? The different accounts from different people is what made that post great
Go outside, line up 10 people, have them all look at the clouds in the sky. Have them all then turn and face you and have them write down what each saw.

Eyewitness accounts are so unreliable, especially if you don't have an opportunity to question each one specifically to get into what they thought they heard or saw and delve into the circumstances that would have affected their judgment.

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
YOU have ASSUMED there were explosions (other than the jets exploding into the buildings) and YOU have ASSUMED that fuel from the jets did not interact with something in the buildings (electrical system, perhaps) that would have cause secondary reactions that sounded like explosions. I was about to go through those clips before you responded, but the first withness "Dahler" said he heard and explosion after he heard a whinning or roar of a missile or jet. Wasn't the explosion he heard -- the jet colliding with the building ??? Does countless accounts of the same sound (an explosion) make it more explosions or numerous accounts of the same explosion(s) ???

You have assumed for me. I didn't assume anything, I have heard different documented stories that make me question. Just go back and listen to them all.

QueEx said:
Most importantly, however, you came to the conclusion that the "Media Stood Down". Must be your imagination -- because I like millions of others recall that day in vivid detail and I, like them, recall tons of questions, during and following the event.

What tons of questions, please share me some examples of these questions. Oh I remember vividly also.

QueEx said:
My point was so what. I'm proud of your father as well, but you didn't offer a single fact that your father added to the game. Simply, my father was an architect, therefore, I should know what I am talking about. Can you see whats wrong with that ???

Not at all. But in your case, and the past contradicts you have posted I understand for you.

QueEx said:
Is it that no one has questioned it (which is bullshit, because that is what the source of every post in this thread is about) or, you have questions but you don't know what they are yet ???

Question: Is it that no one has questioned it?(.....)
Ans: :confused:

Question: Or, do you have questions but you don't know what they are yet?
Ans: Ha Ha, that's funny. I have a host of questions, but I also get, "you need a certain level of clearance to get that answer.

QueEx said:
Do you question the so-called conspiracy theories of what happened ???

Okay I'd like to set the record straight. Call it a Conspiracy Charge. When you call it a Conspiracy theory you have said,

Conspire
1: to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement b : SCHEME
2: to act in harmony toward a common end <circumstances conspired to defeat his efforts

Theory

1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2: abstract thought : SPECULATION
3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances -- often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <wave theory of light>

Now with that being posted, I do make a Conspiracy Charge that individuals both inside and outside of our government CONSPIRED together with others, to control our society, and move forward a radical agenda.

Thanks for the questions.
 
QueEx said:
I've listened to the first 10 and I don't find anything remarkable about them. Was there something in one of the first 10 that you seem to believe is important ??? Is there something in a specific one that you find remarkable ???

I don't see a need to listening to all of them. Tell me which ones are important.

QueEx

Again, I have to keep you straight on the words you are using. I didn't find anything remarkable, I wasn't looking or did I say anything about it being remarkable. I said great post. scroll up.
 
QueEx said:
My point was so what. I'm proud of your father as well, but you didn't offer a single fact that your father added to the game. Simply, my father was an architect, therefore, I should know what I am talking about. Can you see whats wrong with that ???

Makerhappy said:
Not at all. But in your case, and the past contradicts you have posted I understand for you.
End discussion.

QueEx
 
Part of my videos report

Since you ended the convo i stopped the report but here are just somethings i observed.

911.wtc.1.basement.big.explosion

This guys account for what happened and who he helped. I would have liked to ask what floor was he on.

911.wtc.1.basement.morelli

I question the timing the guy is talking about at 8:30 in the morning, there’s a time contradiction with the time that was reported and the time that the towers were struck.

911.wtc.1.hit.don.dahler.witness

Questionable sounds between missile or jet. Nothing else to say about that one.

911.wtc.1.hit.karim.arraki.witness

“I’ve never seen a plane like that before” “The second hole is smaller than the first one”
Those are just a couple of his quotes, he said the plains were the same size but they were small. Can’t figure that one out. But the cameras around the city should show something.

911.wtc.1.hit.small.plane.stewart

“Small plane that looked like it bounced off the building, then a huge ball of fire on top…”
Is it a small plane or is it small plane relative to the tower, which made it look like a small plane?

911.wtc.1.small.jet

Another small jet.
I have a friend buying a home in south eastern suburb of Atlanta. In the landing route of Hartfield. Those plane look big at every elevation.

911.wtc.1.from.104th.floor.mary.baldizzi

A restroom key was on the chair? Talk about coincidence. NOW THAT IS REMARKABLE.
 
Re: Part of my videos report

I tried a wrongful death case once where several people died from oxygen depletion. The mother visiting her daughters apartment discovered them all but one dead. She discovered her daughter and one child dead on a sofa downstairs; and one child dead and one alive upstairs. The mother worked collecting insurance premiums from individuals paying on small life and burial policies (down south, you still have some of those who go to customer's homes to collect). They were all Black.

The mother testified that, after finding her daughter and grand dead downstairs, she ran up stairs to find the 1 and 1. She then ran downstairs to call for help and as she was running down the stairs she said she was in a hurry and the she had to get the money ... (hold onto the collections her her pocket; to keep it from bouncing out of her pocket) as she ran.

A white female juror was overheard during deliberations: " ... and did you hear what she said ... she was running down the stairs to get the money." The white juror's take on that testimony: all she was interested in was getting paid" for the wrongful deaths. Good thing a Black juror set her straight as the white female banker juror was swaying the case against us.

The moral of the story: you took the "restroom key on the chair" waaay out of context. Try reading/listening with comprehension.

QueEx
 
Re: Part of my videos report

QueEx said:
I tried a wrongful death case once where several people died from oxygen depletion. The mother visiting her daughters apartment discovered them all but one dead. She discovered her daughter and one child dead on a sofa downstairs; and one child dead and one alive upstairs. The mother worked collecting insurance premiums from individuals paying on small life and burial policies (down south, you still have some of those who go to customer's homes to collect). They were all Black.

The mother testified that, after finding her daughter and grand dead downstairs, she ran up stairs to find the 1 and 1. She then ran downstairs to call for help and as she was running down the stairs she said she was in a hurry and the she had to get the money ... (hold onto the collections her her pocket; to keep it from bouncing out of her pocket) as she ran.

A white female juror was overheard during deliberations: " ... and did you hear what she said ... she was running down the stairs to get the money." The white juror's take on that testimony: all she was interested in was getting paid" for the wrongful deaths. Good thing a Black juror set her straight as the white female banker juror was swaying the case against us.

The moral of the story: you took the "restroom key on the chair" waaay out of context. Try reading/listening with comprehension.

QueEx

Oh, you a trial lawyer, that changes my whole perception. Thank you. :cool:

LOL :lol:

You are providing me with my saturday morning cartoons. You should try to read how deep, you think I am trying to read into things. :smh:

911.wtc.second.area.of.smoke
In the video starting around the :25 second mark, you see, in the lower right corner, an explosion. From what?

For the record counselor, I read, listen, and SEE with comprehension and COMMON SENSE. :yes:
 
Counselor

I had to come back point out all of the people talking about the different explosions, Sounds like way more than the 2 planes hitting the tower. Sounds to much like a controlled demolition to me.

--------911.wtc.secondary.explosion.blew
--------911.wtc.area.of.smoke
--------911.wtc.the.explosion.blew
--------911.wtc.witness.1
--------911.wtc.witness.2 - bang bang bang bang bang, then like 3 big explosions. That's way more the 2 planes, and the area of smoke video explosion.

MORE THAN PLANES TOOK THAT BUILDING DOWN.
 
Bruh, I don't argue with people who refuse to use common sense, despite their assertions to the contrary.

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
Bruh, I don't argue with people who refuse to use common sense, despite their assertions to the contrary.

QueEx
yes you do, you do it all the time.

the odd thing is the videos offer no evidence and almost totally relies on a persons already existing belief in the conspiracy theory. i know this because i watch them myself. they are full of "it doesnt make sense to me so it must be the worse" type of assertions. alot of open ended "hmmmm" type questions.

what i notice is people will watch conspiracy videos that just repeat each other over and over and over again, but wont look at shit that attempts to refute it.

example, is the Popular Mechanics article i posted actually addresses 90% of the statements made by the "911 loose change" video from the 1st post in this thread.

its always 1 expert for every thousand laypersons(who are all magically of a sudden structural engineers themselves) questioning the official story. and they totally ignore the tens of thousands of experts around the world who formed a consenus as to what is most likely.

unfortunately, no matter how old you get some people never learn that no matter how much you really really really believe in something you could still be wrong - and that doesnt just apply to the opinion of the majority.
 
Greed said:
yes you do, you do it all the time.
Yeah, I do it all the time. But this time, I had enough.
No sense in going round and round as you said:

... the videos offer no evidence and almost totally relies on a persons already existing belief in the conspiracy theory. i know this because i watch them myself. they are full of "it doesnt make sense to me so it must be the worse" type of assertions. alot of open ended "hmmmm" type questions.

QueEx
 
An Open Letter to Congress from 25 National Security Experts :lol:

9/11 Visibility Project
Monday, Sept 13, 2004

National Security Experts Speak Out: 9/11 Commission Falls Short

To The Congress of The United States:

The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States ended its report stating that "We look forward to a national debate on the merits of what we have recommended, and we will participate vigorously in that debate." In this spirit, we the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. We thus call upon Congress to refrain from narrow political considerations and to apply brakes to the race to implement the commission recommendations. It is not too late for Congress to break with the practice of limiting testimony to that from politicians and top-layer career bureaucrats-many with personal reputations to defend and institutional equities to protect. Instead, use this unique opportunity to introduce salutary reform, an opportunity that must not be squandered by politically driven haste.

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission's report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. Serious problems and shortcomings within government agencies likewise were reported to the Commission but were not included in the report. The report simply does not get at key problems within the intelligence, aviation security, and law enforcement communities. The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations.

We believe that one of the primary purposes of the Commission was to establish accountability; that to do so is essential to understanding the failures that led to 9/11, and to prescribe needed changes. However, the Commission in its report holds no one accountable, stating instead "our aim has not been to assign individual blame". That is to play the political game, and it shows that the goal of achieving unanimity overrode one of the primary purposes of this Commission's establishment. When calling for accountability, we are referring not to quasi-innocent mistakes caused by "lack of imagination" or brought about by ordinary "human error". Rather, we refer to intentional actions or inaction by individuals responsible for our national security, actions or inaction dictated by motives other than the security of the people of the United States. The report deliberately ignores officials and civil servants who were, and still are, clearly negligent and/or derelict in their duties to the nation. If these individuals are protected rather than held accountable, the mindset that enabled 9/11 will persist, no matter how many layers of bureaucracy are added, and no matter how much money is poured into the agencies. Character counts. Personal integrity, courage, and professionalism make the difference. Only a commission bent on holding no one responsible and reaching unanimity could have missed that.

We understand, as do most Americans, that one of our greatest strengths in defending against terrorism is the dedication and resourcefulness of those individuals who work on the frontlines. Even before the Commission began its work, many honest and patriotic individuals from various agencies came forward with information and warnings regarding terrorism-related issues and serious problems within our intelligence and aviation security agencies. If it were not for these individuals, much of what we know today of significant issues and facts surrounding 9/11 would have remained in the dark. These "whistleblowers" were able to put the safety of the American people above their own careers and jobs, even though they had reason to suspect that the deck was stacked against them. Sadly, it was. Retaliation took many forms: some were ostracized; others were put under formal or informal gag orders; some were fired. The commission has neither acknowledged their contribution nor faced up to the urgent need to protect such patriots against retaliation by the many bureaucrats who tend to give absolute priority to saving face and protecting their own careers. The Commission did emphasize that barriers to the flow of information were a primary cause for wasting opportunities to prevent the tragedy. But it skipped a basic truth. Secrecy enforced by repression threatens national security as much as bureaucratic turf fights. It sustains vulnerability to terrorism caused by government breakdowns. Reforms will be paper tigers without a safe channel for whistleblowers to keep them honest in practice. It is unrealistic to expect that government workers will defend the public, if they can't defend themselves. Profiles in Courage are the exception, not the rule. Unfortunately, current whistleblower rights are a cruel trap and magnet for cynicism. The Whistleblower Protection Act has turned into an efficient way to finish whistleblowers off by endorsing termination. No government workers have access to jury trials like Congress enacted for corporate workers after the Enron/MCI debacles. Government workers need genuine, enforceable rights just as much to protect America's families, as corporate workers do to protect America's investments. It will take congressional leadership to fill this hole in the 9/11 Commission's recommendations.

The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. While we do not intend to imply that all recommendations of this report are flawed, we assert that the Commission's list of recommendations does not include many urgently needed fixes, and further, we argue that some of their recommendations, such as the creation of an 'intelligence czar', and haphazard increases in intelligence budgets, will lead to increases in the complexity and confusion of an already complex and highly bureaucratic system.

Congress has been hearing not only from the commissioners but from a bevy of other career politicians, very few of whom have worked in the intelligence community, and from top-layer bureaucrats, many with vested interests in saving face and avoiding accountability. Congress has not included the voices of the people working within the intelligence and broader national security communities who deal with the real issues and problems day-after-day and who possess the needed expertise and experience-in short, those who not only do the job but are conscientious enough to stick their necks out in pointing to the impediments they experience in trying to do it effectively.

We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part.

Respectfully,

1. Costello, Edward J. Jr., Former Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI
2. Cole, John M., Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist, FBI
3. Conrad, David "Mark", Retired Agent in Charge, Internal Affairs, U.S. Customs
4. Dew, Rosemary N., Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism & Counterintelligence, FBI
5. Dzakovic, Bogdan, Former Red Team Leader, FAA
6. Edmonds, Sibel D., Former Language Specialist, FBI
7. Elson, Steve, Retired Navy Seal & Former Special Agent, FAA & US Navy
8. Forbes, David, Aviation, Logistics and Govt. Security Analysts, BoydForbes, Inc.,
9. Goodman, Melvin A., Former Senior Analyst/ Division Manager, CIA; Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy
10. Graf, Mark, Former Security Supervisor, Planner, & Derivative Classifier, Department of Energy
11. Graham, Gilbert M., Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence, FBI
12. Kleiman, Diane, Former Special Agent, US Customs
13. Kwiatkowski, Karen U., Lt. Col. USAF (ret.), Veteran Policy Analyst-DoD
14. Larkin, Lynne A., Former Operation Officer, CIA
15. MacMichael, David, Former Senior Estimates Officer, CIA
16. McGovern, Raymond L., Former Analyst, CIA
17. Pahle, Theodore J., Retired Senior Intelligence Officer, DIA
18. Sarshar, Behrooz, Retired Language Specialist, FBI
19. Sullivan, Brian F., Retired Special Agent & Risk Management Specialist, FAA
20. Tortorich, Larry J., Retired US Naval Officer, US Navy & Dept. of Homeland Security/TSA
21. Turner, Jane A., Retired Special Agent, FBI
22. Vincent, John B., Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism, FBI
23. Whitehurst, Dr. Fred, Retired Supervisory Special Agent/Laboratory Forensic Examiner, FBI
24. Wright, Ann, Col. US Army (ret.); and Former Foreign Service officer
25. Zipoli, Matthew J., Special Response Team (SRT) Officer, DOE

CC:
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Chairman Pat Roberts & Vice Chairman John D. Rockefeller
Senate Committee on the Judiciary, Chairman Orrin G. Hatch & Ranking Democratic Member Patrick Leahy
Senate Committee on Armed Services, Chairman John Warner & Ranking Member Carl Levin
Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs, Chairman Susan Collins & Ranking Member Joseph Lieberman
House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Chairman Porter J. Goss & Ranking Member Jane Harman
House Committee on the Judiciary, Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. & Ranking Member John Conyers
House Armed Services Committee, Chairman Duncan Hunter & Ranking Member Ike Skelton
House Committee on Government Reform, Chairman Tom Davis & Ranking Member Henry A. Waxman
House Select Committee on Homeland Security, Chairman Christopher Cox & Ranking Member Jim Turner
Senator Charles Grassley

Source:http://www.septembereleventh.org/newsarchive/2004-09-13-security.php

Got Milk? :lol:
 
GET YOU HOT said:
An Open Letter to Congress from 25 National Security Experts

What, SPECIFICALLY, does this article have to do with this topic ???

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
What, SPECIFICALLY, does this article have to do with this topic ???

QueEx

I got Milk, soy, rice and breast milk wat'll you have?
Are you kidding me, do you read these posts and mediate??? :smh: I dont think so...or you would not be asking questions like that...please read and then pose a significant question :lol:
 
GET YOU HOT said:
I got Milk, soy, rice and breast milk wat'll you have?
Are you kidding me, do you read these posts and mediate??? :smh: I dont think so...or you would not be asking questions like that...please read and then pose a significant question :lol:
we really can never get enough posters like this.

Que, just think real hard and if you're smart enough then you'll see what he see in a 1000 word essay.

because 2 people cannot read the same thing and form different opinions.
 
oh goody a new argument.

lets go ahead and take a poll:

who here is arguing that just the impact alone brought down the towers.

i figure someone must be making that argument if someone volunteers proof that the building was built to withstand the impact of jetliners.

or maybe this was a policy of pre-emption posting.
 
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Free Press International said:
Demartini, who had an office on the 88th floor of the North Tower, died on 9/11/2001 in the World Trade Center attack.
Don't guess we get to question him about that theory now. Bless his soul.

QueEx
 
Greed said:
oh goody a new argument.

lets go ahead and take a poll:

who here is arguing that just the impact alone brought down the towers.

i figure someone must be making that argument if someone volunteers proof that the building was built to withstand the impact of jetliners.

or maybe this was a policy of pre-emption posting.

F-A-C-T-S mutha fucka facts!
 
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