9/11 "Official Story" Continues To Crumble Under Increasing 'Reality-Based' Scrutiny

[Cruise]

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No. Is "pull it" normal jargon for controlled demolitions? Is the fire dept. the go-to people in NYC for controlled demolitions? Why bring down buildings with your own people in them?
Why sneak and do it in the first place? Everyone saw planes hit those buildings. The outrage would already be there and they could bring down the buildings after that openly, with a justifiable cause for going to war already established.
It would probably be easier to bring people like me aboard if the "conspiracy" wasn't so overthought in some areas but underthought in others.




There have been plenty of attacks and acts of violence in the States since Sept. 11, not counting the anthrax attacks immediately following. Google, man.

I live in an area with one of the highest concentrations of Muslims in North America.

Magically, there has never been a terrorist act committed by them... EVER!

However, I am supposed to believe Islamic terrorists are "attacking" the United States despite all evidence to the contrary, just because the government says so?

The government refuses to provide evidence.
The government refuses to answer questions.
The government refuses to consider any alternative except the one they advocate.

I think the government pulled this in New York City because they knew people there would tolerate it.

Just don't let them try this crap in my town. People would be ready to overthrow the government.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

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I live in an area with one of the highest concentrations of Muslims in North America.

Magically, there has never been a terrorist act committed by them... EVER!
However, I am supposed to believe Islamic terrorists are "attacking" the United States despite all evidence to the contrary, just because the government says so?

The government refuses to provide evidence.
The government refuses to answer questions.
The government refuses to consider any alternative except the one they advocate.

I think the government pulled this in New York City because they knew people there would tolerate it.

Just don't let them try this crap in my town. People would be ready to overthrow the government.

No sane, non-bigoted person is suggesting that all or most Muslims engage in terroristic activities so I don't know where you think that's going. That would have to mean for you to accept Muslim terrorists have attacked the US, your community would have to resemble Beirut in the 80s?

What I've repeatedly said isn't "accept what the government tells you at face value" but to simply apply the same skepticism on both sides because there are holes aplenty to be found.

 

[Cruise]

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No sane, non-bigoted person is suggesting that all or most Muslims engage in terroristic activities so I don't know where you think that's going. That would have to mean for you to accept Muslim terrorists have attacked the US, your community would have to resemble Beirut in the 80s?

What I've repeatedly said isn't "accept what the government tells you at face value" but to simply apply the same skepticism on both sides because there are holes aplenty to be found.

Let's run with this... Beirut of the 1980s.

Some say that is exactly what the city looks like.

So, does that mean the Federal government is a terrorist organization against the city?
Does that mean the people would be justified in declaring a "war on terror" against the Federal government?

There is more evidence in my area of Federal government terrorism than anything from Muslims. Yet, I do not see laws passed saying the Federal government should be attacked or that it should be destroyed or that it is an enemy of freedom.

I wonder why?

 

[Upgrade Dave]

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Let's run with this... Beirut of the 1980s.

Some say that is exactly what the city looks like.So, does that mean the Federal government is a terrorist organization against the city?
Does that mean the people would be justified in declaring a "war on terror" against the Federal government?

There is more evidence in my area of Federal government terrorism than anything from Muslims. Yet, I do not see laws passed saying the Federal government should be attacked or that it should be destroyed or that it is an enemy of freedom.

I wonder why?

Just people who have no idea about context and perspective and enjoy making huge hyperbolic statements.

The rest of your post is just typical rambling.

 

[NnubianN]

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This will be my first (and only) post on the matter. It's not out of arrogance or contempt; I'm simply exhausted and frustrated after looking, reading, watching, and listening to all of the different theories, suppositions, conclusions, lies, and outright posturing from a parade of experts who continue to believe the WTC buildings were brought down by controlled demolition, and, some of those same 'experts' stating almost verbatim that the Federal Government was complicit in their destruction.

Many regular citizens who believe the above are convinced that the Bush Administration carried out the plot. George W. Bush took office in late January 2001. This gave his secret operatives (or other clandestine agents operating in the black) less that 8 months to wire all buildings involved without drawing attention from the various companies and local government agencies that worked and operated the WTC complex. For those of you who don't know, WTC was not privately owned. The Port Authority, a joint Agency of New York & New Jersey, maintained and operated WTC. In order for ANYTHING to get done to/within the WTC complex, both state representatives had to sign off on it. For such a massive operation to be carried out, both states' governments had to be KNOWINGLY complicit. So the demolition was no longer just a Federal operation; it became a joint Fed/State covert action. Imagine all the materials involved in carrying out such a task, including explosives, wiring caps, miles of cable, tons of electronics, ripping out walls to expose key structure points on hundreds of floors, building a control point where all the electrical, electronic and explosive feed lines ended up; not to mention the movement of thousands of tons of removed and rebuilding materials. Construction engineers, demolition experts, electronics experts, electricians, masons, carpenters, plumbers, truck drivers, iron workers and a dozen other trades had to be involved. (Were they all covert ops too? Or just the union chiefs? The suppliers of material? Only 'key' engineers?) Suddenly this covert operation has grown immensely in size and cost. Delays, cost overruns, job actions, unauthorized permits and a million other little things would've inevitably thrown the project behind schedule. There's no possible way the Bush Administration could've pulled this off in under 8 months. Afterall, the assembling and training of the terrorists took longer than that. So, was this daring government undertaking started during the Clinton Administration? Afterall, the first terrorist attempt happened a month after Bill took office in 1993.

The idea that the US and two State governments were complicit in the destruction of the WTC Complex is absurd; not just on its face, but in the body politic as well. NY State can't even bring a state budget in on time even though it's mandated by law. There's not a damn thing that goes on in this state that isn't eventually discovered and exploited for political gain. Try to imagine something on such a huge scale could remain secret for 8 months...or 8 years, especially with the massive outlay of expenditures for men, money, and material.

If the US was a country under totalitarian rule...it could probably happen

 

[muckraker10021]

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“Our job is more than just news it’s to manage viewers perceptions”
quote above by the President of CNN

…The video of Building 7 is not the same as the video you have of the Barkway Court Towers…

The animated gif was just a generic depiction of a controlled demolition. It was not intended to show or replicate the exact method of controlled demolition that I and millions of other observers believe was utilized to bring down World Trade Center 7.

The 100% WRONG hypothesis that you made was that explosives NEED NOT be utilized on the higher floors of a building when the result is to implode the building into its own footprint as occurred with World Trade Center 7. As I said if you only put explosives on the lower floors of a building as tall as World Trade Center 7 it would ‘tip over’ in the same fashion as when a tree is cut in the forest by a chain saw.

The blockquote text below is from
How Building Implosions Work

at about the middle of the page.
<blockquote>
….Sometimes, though, a building is surrounded by structures that must be preserved. In this case, the blasters proceed with a true implosion, demolishing the building so that it collapses straight down into its own footprint (the total area at the base of the building). This feat requires such skill that only a handful of demolition companies in the world will attempt it.
Generally speaking, blasters will explode the major support columns on the lower floors first and then a few upper stories. In a 20-story building, for example, the blasters might blow the columns on the first and second floor, as well as the 12th and 15th floors……
</blockquote>

There are no objective measures of evidence that suggest the WTC were brought down by controlled demolition. There's a lot of speculation but no evidence.

There are reams of peer reviewed scientific evidence that renders the “9/11 official story” conspiracy theory preposterous. Unlike the JFK conspiracy theory, public airing of alternative possibilities of the “9/11 official story” are tacitly ‘not permitted’ in the mainstream corporate media (CBS, <s>FOX</s> FAKE, NBC, PBS, ABC, CNN, NY TIMES, WASHINGTON POST, etc.) “
The best book I’ve read which meticulously & scholarly renders the ‘official story’ about World Trade Center 7 unbelievable is:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1566567866/?tag=vp314-20http://www.amazon.com/dp/1566567866/?tag=vp314-20

Now on to more important factors.

The best way to think about the 9/11 ‘official story’ conspiracy theory and the alternative conspiracy theories is preponderance of evidence validating or not validating each theory.

Think of it in the same context as a civil trial. In a civil trial the jury rules for the plaintiff if the preponderance of evidence supports the plaintiff’s allegations against the defendant. This happens every day in court rooms in the US.

If the US government was the defendant, the 9/11 ‘official story’ conspiracy could not withstand a civil trial hearing.

Remember the cheney-bushit government was even opposed to the setting up of the 9/11 commission, only relenting after outcries from 9/11 victims families. Then they tried to appoint War Criminal Henry Kissinger as head of the 9/11 commission but had to back down when just a small sliver of his many crimes was revealed.

Republican Thomas H. Kean and Democrat Lee H. Hamilton were ultimately chosen to head the 9/11 commission. After the report was finished and released, The co-chairs of the ‘official’ 9/11 report (Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton) said publically that they didn’t support many of the conclusions of the report that has their names on the cover, and that the report was “tragically flawed”.

In other words they are tacitly telling you that the report is incomplete, speculative and just a “conspiracy theory” – a guesstimate of what might of happened on 9/11, a non-definitive report, nothing more.

<blockquote>
Lee Hamilton: I don’t believe for a minute that we got everything right. We wrote a first draft of history. ... People will be investigating 9/11 for the next hundred years in this country, and they’re going to find out some things that we missed here… We were set up to fail… for a number of reasons: ... we got started late; we had a very short time frame - indeed, we had to get it extended; we did not have enough money - 3 million dollars to conduct an extensive investigation. We needed more, we got more, but it took us a while to get it. ...

We had a lot of people strongly opposed to what we did. We had a lot of trouble getting access to documents and to people. ... So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail. They spent 40 million investigating President Clinton’s sex life, they gave us 5 million to investigate the greatest terrorist attack in US history…
Washington Post Article August 2006
</blockquote>

Once again in my opinion the preponderance of empirical evidence demonstrates that the “official story” is not credible. The implausible possibility of NORAD suddenly not functioning on 9/11, the never before in world history collapse of a modern steel frame building due to fire and all the other inexplicable deviations from historical precedent in the “official 9/11” story such as; Flight 93’s crashing onto a field in Pennsylvania but leaving minimal wreckage and debris; the huge plane that according to the “official 9/11” story crashed into the Pentagon and literally disappeared ; and hundreds of other first-of -their-kind unbelievable occurrences.

There is no definitive “beyond a shadow of a doubt” factual irrefutable conclusion about what happened on September 11th 2001. The truth remains hidden just like the JFK & Martin Luther King assassinations. All we are left with is competing conspiracy theories. There are powerful interests who want us to swallow the “official 9/11” story.

In my city, New York City, despite all the corporate media propaganda supporting the “official story” 72% of us DO NOT BELEIVE the “official story”.
Here in New York City where many of us, myself included knew people who perished on 9/11, we watched as the nation’s greatest crime scene wasn’t treated as a crime scene.
The demolished buildings and crumpled steel was quickly carted away. The steel was melted down and sent to China. The rest of the debris was quickly used for land fill. The federal government told us that the case was solved 30 minutes after the buildings collapsed!!

Who are among the US citizens who also disbelieve the 9/11 ‘official story’? And?

Why are they being ignored, ridiculed and called ‘conspiracy theorist’ for pointing out the obvious lies and impossibilities in the US Government sanctioned 9/11 ‘official story’ conspiracy theory?

As the author whose article starts this thread said:
READ- Truth Has Fallen and Has Taken Liberty With It
<blockquote>
The government’s account of 9/11 is contradicted by much evidence. Nevertheless, this defining event of our time, which has launched the US on interminable wars of aggression and a domestic police state, is a taboo topic for investigation in the media. It is pointless to complain of war and a police state when one accepts the premise upon which they are based.
</blockquote>

Who are among the millions of US citizens who also disbelieve the 9/11 ‘official story’?

Are they all deranged crackpots, or publicity seeking internet movie makers, or amateur non-credentialed armchair fable spinners?

No this is not even remotely the case.

Among the millions of US citizens who also disbelieve the 9/11 ‘official story’ are hundreds of top US Senior Military officers, Intelligence officials, and Law Enforcement officials who have had the highest US secret security clearance, and have the career experience to analytically decipher whether or not the 9/11 ‘official story’ conspiracy theory has any sustainable credibility.

Like myself and millions of others they DO NOT find the government sanctioned 9/11 ‘official story’ conspiracy theory believable.

To get an idea of who these top US Senior Military officers, Intelligence officials, and Law Enforcement officials are go to the web site link below and scroll down the page. You will see many publically recognizable, prominent military, intelligence & government officials who DO NOT find the government sanctioned 9/11 ‘official story’ conspiracy theory credible, AND HAVE PUBLICALLY SAID SO.

GO TO : Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

Now let’s talk about the encroaching criminalization of dissent in America.

Since the passage of the BuShit “patriot act” the de facto criminalization of dissent in America is now a <i>fait accompli.</i> Even before the occupation and invasion of IRAQ actually began this trend started. The MSNBC cable networks highest rated show in 2003, “The Phil Donahue Show” was cancelled because the corporate owners of the network said the show was -<i> "a home for the liberal anti-war agenda at the same time that our competitors [<s>FOX</s> FAKE] are waving the flag at every opportunity."</i>.

In other words any show that was challenging Condi Rice’s “mushroom cloud” bullshit warnings had to be taken off the air. The Dixie Chicks music group was censored by 2,000 Clear Channel radio stations because they were anti BuShit administration.

Prominent voices who don’t swear fealty to the official government sanctioned 9/11 conspiracy theory are censored in major corporate media & derided as crackpots. Jesse Ventura the former governor of Minnesota who had a signed contract and was scheduled to replace the fired Phil Donahue in 2003, was quickly removed from the air once he told the MSNBC bosses that he didn’t believe in the Iraq war. A Jesse interview excerpt is below-

<blockquote>
Jesse what happened to "Jesse Ventura's America," which ran briefly on MSNBC in 2003?
"It was awful. I was basically silenced. When I came out of office, I was the hottest commodity out there. There was a bidding war between CNN, Fox and MSNBC to get my services. MSNBC ultimately won. I was being groomed for a five day-a-week TV show by them. Then, all of a sudden, weird phone calls started happening: "Is it true Jesse doesn't support the war in Iraq?"
My contract said I couldn't do any other cable TV or any news shows, and they honored and paid it for the duration of it. So in essence I had my silence purchased. Why do you think you didn't hear from me for three years? I was under contract. They wouldn't even use me as a consultant!"
READ: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/29/entertainment/la-ca-conversation29-2009nov29/2
</blockquote>

Unlike the JFK & MLK conspiracy theories, major corporate media television (CNN, ABC, <s>FOX</s> FAKE, NBC, CBS, etc) exposes that present scientific evidence that challenges the official government sanctioned 9/11 conspiracy theory ARE NOT PERMITTED. Loose Change and other widely seen internet videos don’t count as major media. There are world renowned military experts, engineers, intelligence officials, et al. who provide reams of persuasive facts that thoroughly shread the official government sanctioned 9/11 conspiracy theory into nonsense. Where is the ABC NIGHTLINE special or the CBS 60 MINUTES special etc. etc. In fact the nations large monopoly cable television providers (Time Warner, Comcast, Cablevision) would not allow the film ‘Loose Change’ to be a pay-per-view selection. This is government censorship and corporatism .

Last week in CHINA a man was sentenced to five years in jail for mentioning Tiananmen Square.
<blockquote>
Handing down the sentence, the judge said he was punishing Tan Zuoren for a document he had written about the 1989 crackdown in Tiananmen Square, and published abroad in 2007.
READ: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2010/0209/China-sentences-quake-activist-Tan-Zuoren
</blockquote>

So in CHINA you go to jail for telling the truth about an event that the whole world saw live on television. Have we reached this level of kafkaesque totalitarianism in the US? Not yet. But there are forces in this country who have been trying to put us there since the 1930's when they planned a coup d'etat against Franklin D. Roosevelt. These forces haven't gone away.

Finally it is obvious that powerful forces DO NOT want a “Civil Trial” that examines competing conspiracy theories surrounding the events of September 11, 2001. They want all of us to “faith based” believe the official government sanctioned 9/11 conspiracy theory. If you don’t then you are labeled unpatriotic or worse a terrorist sympathizer. Millions of dollars have been spent to promulgate the official government sanctioned 9/11 conspiracy theory and present it as “the final word”. These same forces are determined to squelch and deride any ‘reality based’ examination and critique of the official government sanctioned 9/11 conspiracy theory. This is not ‘America’!




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[Lamarr]

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[muckraker10021]

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YOU MUST WATCH THE VIDEO BELOW

This video should be broadcast immediately following the next SUPER BOWL so that 100 million Americans would see it, but that will never happen. The unanswered question remaining after you watch this video is What evil cabal of nefarious individuals successfully plotted and succeeded in planting explosives in World Trade Center 7 & most likely in WTC1 and WTC2, murdering over 3,000 people??????????????

Was 9/11 an updated "Operation Northwoods" false flag operation??????

Why is Cass Sunstein President Obama's Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs attempting to classify the people who made this video as 'Domestic Terrorists' ???????????





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[Lamarr]

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Why does Cass Sunstein President Obama's Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs attempting to classify the people who made this video as 'Domestic Terrorists' ???????????

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

-- Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945

 

[muckraker10021]

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The article below published one year ago on September 11, 2011 is for critical thinking individuals. Most American sheeple are not critical thinkers. Their brains have literally been wiped of reality — as one would erase a computer hard drive with a seven-level wipe. The documented reality of the past is not accessible anymore — a new version of reality and memory has been projected via television into their Cerebrums; — they are afraid, tentative, bewildered, — unable to realize that two plus two does not equal five. The author below, methodically eviscerates the nauseating “media of mass distraction” propaganda surrounding the events of September 2001; his brain has not been wiped. If you consider yourself to be in that shrinking minority of Americans who still believe in critical thinking —(Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How)— and have not become intellectually lazy, and a dupe with a nipple-bottle stuck-in-your-mouth receiving a toxic information cocktail fed-to-you by the corporate television media (CBS, <s>FOX</s> FAKE, NBC, CBS, CNN) — then this article is for you.


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You Only Believe the Official 9/11 Story Because
You Don't Know the Official 9/11 Story


Sept. 8th 2012

by Jesse Richard

http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/index.ph...use-you-dont-know-the-official-911-story-.pdf

<br><strong><em>I don't believe the official story of 9/11 because I know the official story of 9/11!</em></strong>

During the past 10 years I have not met a single individual who, after doing research on the subject, switched from questioning the official narrative of the events of 9/11/2001 to believing the official narrative of those events.. It is always the other way around. Why do you think that is? There are good reasons for this, and I will try to explain this phenomenon right now.

The term &quot;conspiracy theorist&quot;, perhaps the most misapplied description in our vernacular, is often used to describe 9/11 truthers. Perhaps that term does apply to a segment of the 9/11 truth movement. But in most cases a more accurate description of 9/11 truthers is probably &quot;expert&quot;, or &quot;scholar&quot;, or &quot;researcher.&quot; You see, much of the doubt cast on the official narrative of the events of 9/11 has not come in the form of speculated accusations, or &quot;theories.&quot; In fact, it has come in the form of questions that have been raised after a careful study of the official and undisputed events and details.

Ten years have passed since the infamous events of September 11th, 2001 took place, and the majority of people still don't know a damn thing about the actual details of that event. They don't know what was going on in the country with regard to our military that day. They don't know the history or the activities of key members of our government, defense establishment or intelligence community, on, or during the weeks, and in some cases the years leading up to that day. They don't know what took place during or immediately following the events of that day. And they don't know what actions were taken by those key people following that event.

As is the case with so many issues, people tend to stand strong and argue a position or voice an opinion about an event like 9/11. But, when questioned about the many details surrounding that event they have no answers. They are clueless. And they are, in the end, dumbfounded.
I can not tell you how many times I have discussed the events of 9/11 with an outraged citizen who can not believe that I would &quot;accuse our own government&quot; of such a terrible thing as conducting a false flag operation, only to hear the phrase &quot;no, I did not know that, is that true?&quot; repeated over and over as I &quot;educate&quot; them about those little things called DETAILS. I can not count the pale-faced stunned looks on people's faces as I exposed them to some of the &quot;official facts&quot; they never suspected, and never knew. I have walked away from many a confrontation with newly educated &quot;patriotic Americans&quot;, only to worry about whether or not they would again resume breathing correctly.

<strong>They would never do such a thing</strong>

A common start and end to any intelligent discussion about the events of 9/11 is prefaced by the assumption that no American would betray his or her country by allowing or conducting an attack on the American people. Well, the people who take this position know nothing about history, let alone human nature. They also don't know about the public positions, declarations, speeches and published documents written by the people who ran our nation on that day.

False flag operations have taken place for generations, in this nation and nations around the world. Many of these operations have been exposed, but proof of many of these activities is probably hidden away in secret documents that may one day come to light. You can however, start your exploration on the topic by researching one plan for American self-inflicted terrorism that became public, Operation Northwoods. Do I detect my first &quot;I did not know this, is it true?&quot; May I suggest you also peek into the neoconservative teachings of the principles involved in running our nation at the time of the &quot;new Pearl Harbor&quot; that took place in 2001.

<strong>But the 9/11 Commission did not find anything wrong</strong>

I can not believe how many people do not know the genesis or mission of the 9/11 Kean Commission. From the initial appointment of one of America's most nefarious political figures as its original leader, Henry Kissinger, - to its executive director whose area of expertise and education were in the creation and maintaining of public myths, Philip D. Zelikow,- people have no idea as to who comprised or what the mandate was for this commission.

To give you some kind of idea as to why the &quot;findings&quot; of this commission can NOT be used to back up any talking points on the topic of 9/11, let me remind you what the official task of this commission was. The Kean Commissions was told to document the official story and make national security recommendations based on that story. The only information that was to be included in the official report had to match the official story. If any one member of the committee objected to any testimony or finding, that piece of information was to be left out of the report For some examples of this you can talk to the thousands of people who became 9/11 truthers as a result of their testimony being omitted from and contradicted by the final report.

Start with the WTC worker credited with being the last man out of the WTC William Rodriguez. See if he can tell you why, after being invited to the White House and meeting with George W. Bush, his testimony about witnessing explosions in the sub basement of the WTC moments prior to the first plane hitting the building was omitted from the Kean report. And for more details you can read David Ray Griffin's book called The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions And Distortions. It pretty much translated the Kean report into a stack of rather harsh and useless toilet paper. Are the &quot;I did not know this, is it true?&quot; responses piling up yet?
<br><strong>Are you even qualified to discuss the issue?</strong>

What people don't understand when discussing issues like 9/11 is that not everyone is qualified to join the discussion, let alone impose an &quot;opinion&quot; on the topic. 9/11 is not really a topic that is open to opinion. The conclusion you draw from the facts are open to opinion, but what many people don't realize about the 9/11 truth movement is that its opinions are based on facts, and grounded in the reality that its members know more of the facts than the average person. If you have a discussion with a doctor about medicine your opinions and views on the subject don't exactly merit the same consideration as do those of a group of physicians..

Similarly, someone like me (and many 9/11 truthers), has the equivalent of 3 PhD's on topics such as 9/11. I am a full time journalist. I research this kind of stuff every single day and I have been doing so since 2003. Not everyone is qualified to debate me on an issue like 9/11. We can discuss it. You can ask a great number of questions and perhaps inform me about aspects of the issue of which I am not aware. But you can't impose your &quot;opinions&quot; on me, nor can you do that to a majority of 9/11 truthers. And by the way, when it comes to opinions vs. facts, facts win. FOX News watchers don't seem to be able to grasp this concept.

People have to realize that what separates the unsuspecting mainstream masses from the 9/11 truth movement are factual information and details. Forget the claims and accusations. You don't need to go that far to understand that there is something fishy going on here. Just look at the official body of evidence. It's all there and it will make your head spin.
<br>Don't listen to the accusations, just examine the evidence.You'll understand so much if you really take a good look. In time, if you do your research thoroughly you may just compile a list of suspects, as have many of the 9/11 truthers. I have. But we are not there yet. We really have enough official evidence to lead to quite a few criminal indictments, and I am not kidding about this. But for now let's just talk about the facts and hope that some day we will have the real answers declared by juries in courtrooms. Chances are that many truthers would be proven correct in their accusations - but again, for now, just look at the facts and understand that there are a lot of questions that need to be answered. And, find out that it's okay to say, &quot;I did not know this, is it true?&quot;

<strong>So, are you qualified to take part in a discussion with a 9/11 truther?</strong>

If you don't know about the &quot;coincidental&quot; military drills taking place on September 11, 2001, or about the interesting little political cabal known as PNAC or the Project for a New American Century, or if you don't know what WTC7 is, or the 1,500 plus architects and engineers who have serious questions about how and why it dropped like a pancake on 9/11, or if you don't know about the fact that up until his supposed murder, the FBI did not list Osama bin Laden as wanted for the events of 9/11 because, in their own words, they had no proof of his involvement, then you are not qualified to enter a discussion about the event. You have a lot of homework to do before you can chime in. So on you go...study...but finish this article first. I'll bet the ranch that you'll be saying, over and over, &quot;I did not know this, is it true?&quot;

<strong>Why don't we accept the official story?</strong>

Here is a question that you should really think about. Don't just chime in with your own uninformed opinion because I am going to give you the answer to this question; the real honest answer. Why do you think I, Jesse Richard, founder of TvNewsLIES.org, have drawn the conclusion that the official narrative of the events of 9/11 is a crock? The answer to that is this...I did not always feel that way. As a matter of fact ,within hours of the event I emailed to all my friends a blistering attack on Islamic fundamentalism. And while some things that happened that day, or did not happen that day, (and week I should say,) seemed odd, I was not immediately suspicious of the &quot;story&quot; being told on TV about the event.

It took me almost two years before I saw enough &quot;official&quot; information to make me realize that there was something, actually many things, that were very wrong. I came across so many disturbing, yet official and undisputed facts that I started asking others about it. Most people did not know what I was talking about. Nobody knew the details. So your answer is this...I don't believe the official story because I know the official story! I don't believe the conclusion, and the little tale of 19 buffoons overtaking our national defense all by themselves. The official position on that by the way, is that they, the FBI, have no proof of the identity of the so-called hijackers or that there were any hijackers at all. They are not listed on the passenger lists, but you would not know that.

BUT...the official story and facts are what made me realize something was very wrong with the public perception of what took place that day, and who was responsible for what took place that day. The official story, when accepted and believed, morphs by any logic into a total and absolute fabrication!

So if you believe the conclusion to the official story, you had better know that story from start to finish. Don't approach this the way the Kean Commission approached it, by starting out accepting the explanation as truth. Study the events, study the officially acknowledged body of evidence and study the people who told you the story in the first place...and I bet it won't be long before you have as many questions as do I about that infamous day and about the people who control our government. And, of course, you'll be saying, &quot;I did not know this, is it true?&quot;

<strong>Okay, then, who really was behind the attacks on 9/11?</strong>

9/11 truthers make the mistake of starting their discussions with conclusions...I am not doing that. All I am saying is that there are a lot of questions about what happened that day that are not answered by the official conclusion or explanation. I would like some answers that add up. I did the math myself and I have my own &quot;theories&quot;, but I am a journalist, and I deal in the facts, not the fables.

The official story, as fed to the American public is filled with unsupported and implausible explanations designed to convince a gullible public that they should ask no questions and trust their leaders to take revenge on those who hated us for our freedom. Volumes can be, and have been written about so many of them. For the most part, you have not read any of them.

In this article, I've posed many questions and have provided links to their answers - so that you will more clearly understand that there is SO much we have not been told about the attacks that took place a decade ago. But, those facts are the tip of a very well hidden iceberg, because there are so many questions that still remain unanswered.

So, I will end this article with a sampling of the questions that must be answered, or in the very least, investigated by impartial truth seekers.. They must NOT be ignored, or accepted simply because they were offered to a frightened nation by an administration defined by its lies. They are legitimate questions, based on legitimate suspicions. They are not, for a single moment, conspiracy theories&quot;

<strong>1. </strong> Why did the news agencies report that WTC 7 collapsed almost 1/2 hour before it did, even though it was not hit by a plane, only had a few floors on fire, and gave no indication that it was in any serious danger?
<br><strong>2. </strong>Why do we still believe the tale of the 19 hijackers when so many of the accused hijackers showed up ALIVE within days? And why do we still believe the fable of the 19 hijackers when the FBI admitted that they are not sure about either the identity of the hijackers or if there were any hijackers at all?
<br><strong>3</strong>. Why was WTC 7 rebuilt, reopened and reoccupied with no press attention? Wouldn't this be an important victory in American resolve and perseverance?
<br><strong>4.</strong> Why were the NORAD rules changed for the first time several weeks prior to 9/11, taking responsibility/authority for shooting down hijacked planes away from NORAD military command for the first time in its history, and given to a civilian, Donald Rumsfeld, and then returned to NORAD the day after 9/11?
<br><strong>5</strong>. Why would hijackers planning on attacking NY and Washington DC drive from Florida, pass both DC and NY, and drive all the way to Maine and hinge this huge operation on a connecting flight from Maine to Boston, where we are told they hijacked their plane? Why wouldn't they fly out of any of the airports that are visible from their targets, like Newark, La Guardia or JFK...or even some of the smaller local airports that would have given them a clear easy path to their target and reduce the amount of time that our air defense systems would have to stop them?
<br><strong>6.</strong> Who placed all of those put options on the airlines just prior to the event, as if they knew that the stock prices on those specific airlines would lose a huge amount of value?
<br><strong>7. </strong> Why did George W. Bush's Secret Service detail not rush the president to safety when it was evident that the nation was under attack? If the nation was under attack, and they did not know the scope of the attack, and the president's location was known, how did they not worry about being attacked in Florida?. Why did they act as if they knew that there was no threat? And why, when our nation was under attack, did the president not rush into action? If you say he was concerned about upsetting the children, you are the ultimate apologist. He could have told them that his mommy was on the phone and he had to see what she wanted. Our county was supposedly being attacked and he/they waited 20 minutes before they moved. This is the smoking gun of smoking guns.
<br><strong>8.</strong> Why did the FBI never list Osama bin Laden as being wanted for 9/11? Actually, we know this one...because they admitted that they had no evidence linking him to the event.
<br><strong>9</strong>. Why was their molten metal flowing under the wreckage of the WTC for months? No jet fuel can melt metal, and nothing explainable could melt that much metal and keep it hot enough to remain molten for a month.
<br><strong>10</strong>. How did a passport of one of the so called hijackers make it through the huge fireball and end up on the street?
<br><strong>11</strong>. Why have photos from the 80+ cameras confiscated at the Pentagon never been released?
Why did the airplane that supposedly crashed at Shanksville vaporize so that nothing remained, not bodies, not luggage, not metal, - nothing - for the first time in aviation history? However, we are told that even though the plane vaporized at Shanksville, a hand-written note from a hijacker was found.

Of course, there are so many more. We deserve the answers. We deserve the right to ask these questions in public forums like the corporate media....who will not touch them with the proverbial ten foot pole. We have gate keepers on the Internet who actively ridicule and dismiss anyone who dares to raise these questions. Will you be one of them? Or, after really thinking about them, will you hope that one day, when we know what went on before, during and after the attacks on 9/11, - we can all say: &quot;I did not know this, but I'm now absolutely convinced that it is true.&quot;
<br>Think about it...it's really time to think about it.
<br>Jesse Richard - Founder, TvNewsLIES.org



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Reading through this thread leaves me with one question that seems to be unanswered. Why would the government want to destroy World Trade Center 7?

What would be the government's motivation for saying, "while we're destroying the twin tower, make sure you destroy World Trade Center 7 because it's integral to the whole plan."

If the government wanted to implement policies that result in less freedom for people and invade Iraq, then why destroy the towers AND actively plant explosives in World Trade Center 7.

In general, I think people do thing for a reason, and the conspiracy theories can get more traction if they can explain how the demolition of World Trade Center 7 fits into the overall plan.

Seems like an unnecessary step to me.

 

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BUILDING 7 HAD SOME IMPORTANT THINGS IN IT THAT THEY COULD OFFICIALLY SAY WAS DESTROYED. LIKE DEBTS. ETC.

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BUILDING 7 HAD SOME IMPORTANT THINGS IN IT THAT THEY COULD OFFICIALLY SAY WAS DESTROYED. LIKE DEBTS. ETC.

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They couldn't go and get that?

Are records not computerized in 2001 especially debt records in the financial capital of the world? The physical location of such things seems unimportant.

And haven't we seen how much the government and influential civilians care about debt. You rack up an infinite amount if you're government and get the government to pay for it if you're an influential civilian. I'm basing that off history and empirical evidence.

 

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If they had it stored on computer disk. Then everything would be lost. It was reported that a lot of debt. was erased from building 7 being pulled.

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