Dame and Biggs own RD right?
50 Cent Slams Jay Z’s Tidal, Claims He Could Have Made It ‘More Exciting’
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Beyoncé Might Have to Remove All Her Songs from Tidal
In March, Jay Z’s new business venture Tidal was unveiled with great fanfare, showing off the company’s star-studded roster of artists. Beyoncé, Madonna, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Jack White, and more were all on hand, not only as musicians, but as equity shareholders in the new subscription-only streaming service. Turns out some of those artists may have forgotten to check with their record labels first, though, and many of them don’t actually control the streaming rights to their music, including Beyoncé.
Now, it appears that Tidal has yet to make a deal with Sony, who owns the rights to stream Beyoncé’s music. A recent piece by Bloomberg reveals that Sony is seeking a deal from the rumored-to-be cash-strapped streaming start-up, and if they don’t get it, they may pull all of Beyoncé’s music from the site, which would undoubtedly be awkward for everyone involved. And yet, as Billboard points out, Sony just did this with Soundcloud, pulling music by Adele, Hozier, Kelly Clarkson, Miguel, and more from the site when the two parties couldn’t reach a licensing agreement.
Bloomberg reports that Tidal is certainly not opposed to the concept, having struck similar deals with Universal and Warner (although paying to license music created by a co-owner has to sting a little), but the company is currently having cash-flow problems after an investment deal with Sprint fell through. Adding to their cash woes, while the site claims to have 900,000 subscribers, industry experts seem to believe that most of those subscribers only signed up for a trial run of the service (perhaps to hear Jay Z’s B-sides concert or Beyoncé’s intimate serenade to her husband) and will cancel as soon as the bill comes due.
Still, Tidal needs to come up with the cash to make a deal with Sony, or, as Bloomberg warns, Jay Z “faces the possibility that Tidal might lose albums from some of its co-owners, most painfully Beyoncé, a Sony artist.” Sony also controls streaming rights for Daft Punk, Alicia Keys, and Usher, among other Tidal artists.
As Bloomberg points out, taking on the titans of music streaming is more of a long game than a quick path to doing the Scrooge MacDuck backstroke through riches. Spotify, the streaming-music market leader, has been working for nine years to earn its $8 billion valuation. Jay Z has only been at this for a few months, and he’s had to build the company under the microscope of the press documenting every fumble, while Spotify and Rhapsody could grow organically (and Rhapsody still loses money, according to Bloomberg). Jay Z can’t even visit the headquarters for his company without drawing scrutiny, deserved or not. Jay Z has entered the nightmarish pilot phase of his start-up, something to which many entrepreneurs can relate, but has to suffer through the stress very publicly and, unfortunately, Tidal can’t have its growing pains in private.While losing the right to stream his wife’s and co-owner’s music would be embarrassing, it wouldn’t be the end of Tidal.
As for the fans, just remember, if Tidal can’t make a deal with Sony, which is unlikely, you can always listen to Beyoncé on Spotify, where she will simply get 70% of the revenue, instead of Tidal’s 75%.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/05/beyonce-leaving-tidal-jay-z-sony
In March, Jay Z’s new business venture Tidal was unveiled with great fanfare, showing off the company’s star-studded roster of artists. Beyoncé, Madonna, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Jack White, and more were all on hand, not only as musicians, but as equity shareholders in the new subscription-only streaming service. Turns out some of those artists may have forgotten to check with their record labels first, though, and many of them don’t actually control the streaming rights to their music, including Beyoncé.
Now, it appears that Tidal has yet to make a deal with Sony, who owns the rights to stream Beyoncé’s music. A recent piece by Bloomberg reveals that Sony is seeking a deal from the rumored-to-be cash-strapped streaming start-up, and if they don’t get it, they may pull all of Beyoncé’s music from the site, which would undoubtedly be awkward for everyone involved. And yet, as Billboard points out, Sony just did this with Soundcloud, pulling music by Adele, Hozier, Kelly Clarkson, Miguel, and more from the site when the two parties couldn’t reach a licensing agreement.
Bloomberg reports that Tidal is certainly not opposed to the concept, having struck similar deals with Universal and Warner (although paying to license music created by a co-owner has to sting a little), but the company is currently having cash-flow problems after an investment deal with Sprint fell through. Adding to their cash woes, while the site claims to have 900,000 subscribers, industry experts seem to believe that most of those subscribers only signed up for a trial run of the service (perhaps to hear Jay Z’s B-sides concert or Beyoncé’s intimate serenade to her husband) and will cancel as soon as the bill comes due.
Still, Tidal needs to come up with the cash to make a deal with Sony, or, as Bloomberg warns, Jay Z “faces the possibility that Tidal might lose albums from some of its co-owners, most painfully Beyoncé, a Sony artist.” Sony also controls streaming rights for Daft Punk, Alicia Keys, and Usher, among other Tidal artists.
As Bloomberg points out, taking on the titans of music streaming is more of a long game than a quick path to doing the Scrooge MacDuck backstroke through riches. Spotify, the streaming-music market leader, has been working for nine years to earn its $8 billion valuation. Jay Z has only been at this for a few months, and he’s had to build the company under the microscope of the press documenting every fumble, while Spotify and Rhapsody could grow organically (and Rhapsody still loses money, according to Bloomberg). Jay Z can’t even visit the headquarters for his company without drawing scrutiny, deserved or not. Jay Z has entered the nightmarish pilot phase of his start-up, something to which many entrepreneurs can relate, but has to suffer through the stress very publicly and, unfortunately, Tidal can’t have its growing pains in private.While losing the right to stream his wife’s and co-owner’s music would be embarrassing, it wouldn’t be the end of Tidal.
As for the fans, just remember, if Tidal can’t make a deal with Sony, which is unlikely, you can always listen to Beyoncé on Spotify, where she will simply get 70% of the revenue, instead of Tidal’s 75%.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/05/beyonce-leaving-tidal-jay-z-sony
I think not
Nope. Dame owns the rights to that. If Jay had the rights, don't you think there would have been a massive re-release with much fanfare??
Behind the scenes, remixes, thoughts on each track, blu-ray release, commentary from all the side artists, etc. A marketer's dream re-release, but nah...
For that, he has to talk to Dame...Which I don't foresee any time soon. I hope, but doubt it.
We're both wrong. Def jam owns it. When Jay, dame, and Burke sold their share of rocafella, jayz offered up all other masters, and would turn down the ceo position just for RD masters. I just looked it up.
Rights to digital streaming rules didn't exist when these artists signed their contracts so they do own the rights. Of course Sony can be dicks about it and try to find ways around it but they can do what they want. Do you really think all 14 of em just decided on a whim and NOBODY on their team thought to check on that? Cmon now.
http://www.hip-hopvibe.com/2014/08/...reasonable-doubt-after-jay-z-signed-360-deal/
Damon Dash regained the rights to “Reasonable Doubt” after Jay-Z signed 360 deal
By Fio Borrelli
Hip Hop Vibe Staff Writer
When it comes to money, different people have different opinions on it. Some label it the root of all evil, some want enough to live comfortably, some would be happy with a million, and some want it all. Wanting it all is what led Damon Dash and Jay-Z to each other, landed their goals, and what, ironically, drove them apart.
Ownership is something that is very important to both men and during the height of their run with Def Jam via Roc-A-Fella Records, they had a partnership. But, Def Jam offered considerably more money to Jay-Z to sell out and work for them. This signaled the beginning of the end, as Jay-Z split from Dash and later Def Jam.
Jay-Z, of course, left Def Jam and signed on with Live Nation to run Roc Nation, which was a tremendous success. While Jay-Z is the half a billion dollar man and hard times hit Damon Dash, financially, Dash took pride in still owning things. Now, it looks like Damon Dash owns the rights to Reasonable Doubt, what he wanted a decade ago in exchange for Jay-Z leaving, as he signed a 360 deal and gave up his rights, according to Dash’s Instagram.
If Jay owned it, would he still be sitting on it??? If Def Jam owned it wouldn't they have sold it to him when he bought the rights to his final album with them? For Universal its all about the $$ for Dame it's all about the pride...The one jewel that isn't in Jay's crown...
I just said jazy doesn't own it either you idiot, hence me saying we were both wrong. lol
No, they all have it split
A newer article, and from a more credible source (hip hop dx).
http://hiphopdx.com/news/id.29455/title.dame-dash-says-he-jay-z-own-reasonable-doubt-
Dame wont sell Jay his share of RD.
Why do I have to be an idiot over stating facts?? Plus last time I checked August came after June...Fucktard...
but you not stating facts.
I'll take the L on the dates though.
We were both wrong. I been took my L, take yours and move on.
It is?
You ever seen anyone wearing it?
and him bringing in Melo and Timbaland says otherwise
yep
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