5 reasons why Jesus never existed

Peace,

The testimonies from martyrs.

-- THEY EACH DIED MAINTAINING JESUS WAS RISEN

The testimony of death is what this author found as a nonbeliever to be a very difficult problem to get around. This is in reference to the last point on the above list: people who were tortured and executed willingly rather than deny their beliefs of Christ.

It is a challenging conjecture for any of us to think of what beliefs, if any, we would hold to the point of enduring torture or death. How long would you burn, or how much skin could you take being peeled away before screaming out whatever your tormentors wanted to hear? Until such moment comes, no one can say. But that moment did arrive for many who came before us, and history answers that they believed Jesus to be God-incarnate to their last breath.

The torturous end of Jesus' closest followers and the torture and exile of another indicates something radical. Their lives and their writings may show us what they believed; but nothing as much as their deaths shows us just how much they believed Jesus to be risen.

Although many martyrs (people who died for not relinquishing their beliefs) and confessors (people who were threatened with death for the same) can be named throughout church history, it is the deaths of the apostles and other close followers which carry the bulk of evidence for Christ's deity.

The apostles knew, lived, and worked with Christ daily for years. If Christ were a fake, no matter what the apostles might have previously preached or written, it is improbable that even one of them would have died for the sake of a joke or a lie. How rational is it that all of them would endure torture, eleven to the death, without even one wavering from their singular belief that Christ was God, and that he appeared to them after his crucifixion?

The fact that they maintained perfect unanimity on Jesus' resurrection under torture, separately and over many years, is inconceivable unless they were each absolutely convinced of Christ's claim to be the almighty God of the universe. The possibility that the apostles honestly mistook him to be God and only thought he appeared to them will be discussed later. But it is without a doubt that, rightly or wrongly, they were all totally convinced of Jesus' deity to the end.


-- JESUS' APOSTLES: THE GREAT OBITUARY

Here is how many of those closest to Jesus met their end:

  • Matthew - killed by stabbing as ordered by King Hircanus
  • James, son of Alphaeous - crucified
  • James, brother of Jesus - thrown down from a height, stoned and then beaten to death at the hands of Ananias (circa AD 66)
  • John - tortured by boiling oil, exiled to Patmos in AD 95
  • Mark - burned during Roman emperor Trajan's reign
  • Peter - crucified upside-down by the gardens of Nero on the Vatican hill circa AD 64
  • Andrew - crucified on an "X" shaped cross by Aegeas, governor of the Edessenes, around AD 80
  • Philip - stoned and crucified in Hierapolis, Phrygia
  • Simon - crucified in Egypt under Trajan's reign
  • Thomas - death by spear thrust in Calamina, India
  • Thaddaeous - killed by arrows
  • James, son of Zebedee - killed by sword in AD 44 by order of King Herod Agrippa I of Judea
  • Bartholomew - beaten, flayed alive, crucified upside down, then beheaded

No group of individuals had closer contact with Jesus than those listed above. Their conclusion, even unto death, was that Jesus was God. Multitudes of unnamed Christians of the same and following eras likewise perished faithful to the conviction that Jesus is Lord. Pliny records an arrest procedure of many such Christians that today reads like a McCarthy-era transcript:

Those who denied they were, or had ever been, Christians, and who repeated after me an invocation to the gods,... and who finally cursed Christ - none of which acts, it is said, those who are really Christians can be forced into performing - these I thought it proper to discharge.

Tacitus, in his work Annals, tells us of the fate common to Christ's faithful, under Nero, who refused to recant their beliefs:

Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.

We often hear or say some variation of, "Your actions are speaking so loudly that I can't hear what you're saying." The apostles and early Christians' actions speak very clearly. Their actions matched their words. They walked their talk. Of course at this point, one might wonder what good their faithfulness did them - secure for them a horrible death? Where was their so-called loving God?


-- WHERE WAS THEIR LOVING GOD?

Long ago I asked this kind of question and felt a certain skepticism about the supposed love of Christ for us. The apostles were Jesus' best friends and they carried on the faith just as he had asked. If the Bible is an accurate portrayal of history and of Christ, I wondered how he could have let them suffer and die as they did.

Christ did love these men, and these men loved Christ. These men could have denied their belief in Jesus and he probably would have forgiven them. But they loved the truth of God literally more than earthly life. Even one denial just to spare themselves from the moment might have become popularized as the "awful truth about Christ", and the worship of Christ then greatly curtailed.

By the apostles' obedience and sacrifice, Christ has allowed their deaths to become an extremely powerful witness to us of his person. They died because they loved Christ, and Christ let them die for him because he loves us. Belief in Christ is that important, and those who died knew it. So it is not God who devalues the apostle's deaths, but us whenever we ignore the truth of Christ for which they surrendered their lives.

The deaths of Jesus' closest followers are speaking to us. Their deaths have become evidence of Christ's deity and ministry on earth. This is evidence of the Bible's believability that no historian, scientist, or skeptic can ignore in clear conscience.

http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Divin/D-0201.htm

So righteous.
 
Peace,



That negro couldn't WAIT. :lol:
Question: in this dialogue was i-moses also jumping to conclusion or was he trying to figure out what I was saying?


Didn't see this, but this is fucked up, only a fag would beat a woman, especially one as fine as her, like that...

So it wouldn't have been as unacceptable if she was unattractive?

No but my comment wasn't on it being acceptable or not, I said who ever did it must have been gay as fuck, due to her being so attractive.. But no, crime is not acceptable in my book no matter what the victim looks like..

Gotcha.
 
She uhm...
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You!

Peace,

That negro couldn't WAIT. :lol:
I'm not even about to go back and forth with him. I already knew what he was thinking just based on the video he posted and what he had to say in reference to it. So when I made my comment to one thing, and then he jumped right on it with questions and answers. Dude is funny to me now.
 
Yo got a headache, and don't feel like going over bullshit religion crap that I was on heavy 12 years ago... Trust me I studied and know my shit and its bullshit..
But here's a video on Paul that will save me a whole lot of my typing..


Sorry about the headache man. Just giving answers for which no one has come forward with a rebuttal. I'd rather hear.from you than these YouTube videos which are too broad for our discussion. I was specifically citing evidence for Jesus' existence. Not attacking what you might know or the research you've done. It's nothing personal. Just want to hear a rebuttal to ANY of my replies.
 
I'm not even about to go back and forth with him. I already knew what he was thinking just based on the video he posted and what he had to say in reference to it. So when I made my comment to one thing, and then he jumped right on it with questions and answers. Dude is funny to me now.
Whats crazy is the dialog you are having is all in your mind, because I am being honest when I say I do not have a clue to what you are thinking, and that video you are talking about :confused: which one????
All I would like to know is do you agree with the Christianity bullshit or not?
 
1. You have the undisputed letters of Paul attesting to Jesus' existence. Paul, was by the way, an enemy of the Jesus people initially.
You lost me on #1.
Cuz some mofo says so..it's so?
I guess chump gonna build the best, cheapest wall in the quickest time...CUZ HE SAID SO.
 
Sorry about the headache man. Just giving answers for which no one has come forward with a rebuttal. I'd rather hear.from you than these YouTube videos which are too broad for our discussion. I was specifically citing evidence for Jesus' existence. Not attacking what you might know or the research you've done. It's nothing personal. Just want to hear a rebuttal to ANY of my replies.
The thing is, most of today's Christianity comes from Paul and the the Council of Nicea... Saul and Constantine two of the most shadiest characters known to mankind.
 

you do realize you are just as worse as the people you are trying to clown by being just as annoying? Let people believe what they want. My goodness. You got issues trying to get people to think like you. Some atheists are worst than hovas at the door. Take the loss.

Most historical scholars believe there was a man named Jesus who had followers by the many references in writings and other scholars at the time. Whether he was God's Son or David Koresh Sr taking advantage of tales of a savior is up to you. Even the entire Jewish faith thought he was real, just never thought he was the second coming. Muslims feel the same way.

Dude had disciples that died because of their faith. Now, if this was some Santa Claus made up bs, would you give up your life for that story? These people went all out to the end. So either they were nut jobs or believed in the man. That said, the Bible has many things that does not apply to logic and seem embellished.

Now make your decision.
 
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"1. You have the undisputed letters of Paul attesting to Jesus' existence. Paul, was by the way, an enemy of the Jesus people initially."

You lost me on #1.
Cuz some mofo says so..it's so?
I guess chump gonna build the best, cheapest wall in the quickest time...CUZ HE SAID SO.

Understood in that it might sound like a circular argument. It's like I'm saying that I'm the best baller, and you ask for proof and I say, my boys say I'm the best. I agree that's not the best citing of a witness or use of evidence.

In my example above of Paul giving evidence of Jesus' existence is not only of his quotes of, "Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days. 19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother." Galatians 1:18-19 and in 1 Corinthians 9 "Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?".

Where Paul's testimony stands strong and loses it's circular argument is that NO ONE after him challenges statements. NO ONE. There are many writings talking against Paul and his teaching, but they're ok with his statement that there was a Jesus that lived. In fact they all believed he existed. Those that followed the new religion bought that he lived. Those that critiqued Christianity never said he didn't exist. For 1,000 years plus there were hundreds if not thousands of writing against Jesus and Christianity and none of them said he didn't exist. The Koran says he existed. Atheist scholars said he existed. An overwhelming amount of non believing and secular scholars attest to him probably have lived. So when someone from modern times without citing ANY EVIDENCE says that Jesus didn't exist it's tough to swallow. Believing that the dude lived 2,000 years ago isn't buying into religion, believing in miracles or accepting the white man's religion.
 
"1. You have the undisputed letters of Paul attesting to Jesus' existence. Paul, was by the way, an enemy of the Jesus people initially."



Understood in that it might sound like a circular argument. It's like I'm saying that I'm the best baller, and you ask for proof and I say, my boys say I'm the best. I agree that's not the best citing of a witness or use of evidence.

In my example above of Paul giving evidence of Jesus' existence is not only of his quotes of, "Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days. 19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother." Galatians 1:18-19 and in 1 Corinthians 9 "Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?".

Where Paul's testimony stands strong and loses it's circular argument is that NO ONE after him challenges statements. NO ONE. There are many writings talking against Paul and his teaching, but they're ok with his statement that there was a Jesus that lived. In fact they all believed he existed. Those that followed the new religion bought that he lived. Those that critiqued Christianity never said he didn't exist. For 1,000 years plus there were hundreds if not thousands of writing against Jesus and Christianity and none of them said he didn't exist. The Koran says he existed. Atheist scholars said he existed. An overwhelming amount of non believing and secular scholars attest to him probably have lived. So when someone from modern times without citing ANY EVIDENCE says that Jesus didn't exist it's tough to swallow. Believing that the dude lived 2,000 years ago isn't buying into religion, believing in miracles or accepting the white man's religion.
You do realize that sometimes people around just go along so that they aren't the odd one out of the bunch. Group think is scary. Remember when the flat earth theory was challenged?
 
you do realize you are just as worse as the people you are trying to clown by being just as annoying? Let people believe what they want. My goodness. You got issues trying to get people to think like you. Some atheists are worst than hovas at the door. Take the loss.

Most historical scholars believe there was a man named Jesus who had followers by the many references in writings and other scholars at the time. Whether he was God's Son or David Koresh Sr taking advantage of tales of a savior is up to you. Even the entire Jewish faith thought he was real, just never thought he was the second coming. Muslims feel the same way.

Dude had disciples that died because of their faith. Now, if this was some Santa Claus made up bs, would you give up your life for that story? These people went all out to the end. So either they were nut jobs or believed in the man. That said, the Bible has many things that does not apply to logic and seem embellished.

Now make your decision.
Calling him God's son comes from white peoples interpretation. Could you image someone in Jonestown proving that Jim Jones is not a real man and proving his is the one that is a real man. They called Jim father. Jim job would be to get rid of this problem in the brainwashing process and say he was able to do more than him because he was his son.
In Area 51 and maybe some more places they have some amazing technology from our ancestors during a time period that they thought they had completely got rid of. And they will kill to keep this time period of blacks hid. Jesus shed some light on the life of blacks before other races were grafted from us. We could not do the things he did during his time for the same reason we cannot do it today. And that is because we have been poisoned and brainwashed and controlled to be carbon copies of whites (devils) instead of being ourselves (God). Yes the black man is God if he can break the control Satan has over his earth and start back controlling and being himself.
 
For a long time America refused to admit area 51 existed. When a Russian satellite took a photo of the area they had to admit it existed. They had to admit Jesus existed during his time. But once they got rid of him they were not going to let it be remembered that he was black. And they confused the whole story. Same thing they are doing today. We got everything we have from them, our language, our history, our education, our diets, our laws, our religion, etc. Will there finally be a black man to break the programming and control?
 
well I dont think a "jesus" existed, because its my

belief the letter J didnt exist two thousand years ago...


so there couldnt have been anyone named jesus..

Now I do believe there was a Black man giving the romans hell and preaching about not sweating material shit and focusing on your internal eternal energy, the light within...

the God within YOU... by focusing on something outside of yourself, literally giving your power away,

is the greatest mind fuck ever pulled on our people!

if you want to believe some cracker died on a cross to save your sins or you from your sins.. but yet sinners are still running amock, then you go right ahead..

if you think a jesus is going to come back in your lifetime..

then good luck with that shit.... how many folks you know died waiting for jesus to come, and YOU think YOU gonna be the lucky one huh...

Wake up the God/Light within you and live...
 
For a long time America refused to admit area 51 existed. When a Russian satellite took a photo of the area they had to admit it existed. They had to admit Jesus existed during his time. But once they got rid of him they were not going to let it be remembered that he was black. And they confused the whole story. Same thing they are doing today. We got everything we have from them, our language, our history, our education, our diets, our laws, our religion, etc. Will there finally be a black man to break the programming and control?


wasnt this lady killed??
 
It's more of a concept than anything. Religion is the easiest hustle. There were probably more Jesus characters than we can count, but it only takes one group to come up. Most of the world was illiterate for most of human history. We now have google and Trump is president. :hmm:

The fact that we have google and people still believe in primitive concepts is shameful and proves humans have a long way to go. The fact that some people actually believe a being that can create all this has racial, political, ethnic, or otherwise relatively petty motives is fucking scary. :smh: :smh:
 
wasnt this lady killed??
I know that she is dead. But it was stated she died from illness. But never said what that illness was. France played a part in setting the genocide up, helping the killers and there is proof of it. Also America played key roles in keeping others from stopping the genocide. They made sure it happened because one general that might not have known whites involvement was told by one of the trainers of the killers what was going to happen and where the weapons and machetes were. They made that general stand down and tried to make him turn over the informant. Even the Ghost of Rwanda left out and mislead on some things. But it was still good they did the documentary. This was really based on Christianity. Nuns and priest did some of the killings. But were never charged for it. And it was suppose to be kept out of the media. The interahamwe was a christian youth group and were the main killers and influence of the genocide.
And the genocide is still going on right now it spread into the Congo. But no one is concerned. All over the world blacks are being killed and rehearsal for more of getting rid of them is going on. Right here in America is the same thing.
People do not know that there is some heavy mind control methods and some very serious technology being hid from the masses. We could have had free energy many years ago, but it is not to be allowed. The technology they allow the public is technology that will not empower the masses or break any control they have over them.
While we are studying and learning how to be obedient they are checking out some things that will shock the world. And it is artifacts and technology from a time period of blacks they got to make sure they figure out how to make it look white without blacks catching total recall. Over 60 years and they are still trying to figure certain things out. But they somewhat figured out a lot like lasers, microchips, bullet proof vest, fibre optics, etc. But they got this from blacks and the public and its scientist can work on things they slowly release.
We are targets because there is a chance of a black man actually surviving and growing without being controlled physically by them or mentally by them. And not in debt with his soul to them.
 
you do realize you are just as worse as the people you are trying to clown by being just as annoying? Let people believe what they want. My goodness. You got issues trying to get people to think like you. Some atheists are worst than hovas at the door. Take the loss.

Most historical scholars believe there was a man named Jesus who had followers by the many references in writings and other scholars at the time. Whether he was God's Son or David Koresh Sr taking advantage of tales of a savior is up to you. Even the entire Jewish faith thought he was real, just never thought he was the second coming. Muslims feel the same way.

Dude had disciples that died because of their faith. Now, if this was some Santa Claus made up bs, would you give up your life for that story? These people went all out to the end. So either they were nut jobs or believed in the man. That said, the Bible has many things that does not apply to logic and seem embellished.

Now make your decision.
Do you understand the importance of indoctrinating and converting people in order to fully conquer them? This is why I give the show Colony so much credit, they break down in detail how to conquer a people with religion and fear, the same exact methods the Whites used to conquer most of the world..
If you notice, Rome was the leading country in terms of technology, during its time, but after the inquisition and attack on free thinking, they ushered in the dark ages.. The only reason why this was reversed was due to Moors who had to re-educate the white man, and from there the renaissance began, a era where the church bullshit was challenged..
 
Do you understand the importance of indoctrinating and converting people in order to fully conquer them? This is why I give the show Colony so much credit, they break down in detail how to conquer a people with religion and fear, the same exact methods the Whites used to conquer most of the world..
If you notice, Rome was the leading country in terms of technology, during its time, but after the inquisition and attack on free thinking, they ushered in the dark ages.. The only reason why this was reversed was due to Moors who had to re-educate the white man, and from there the renaissance began, a era where the church bullshit was challenged..
that was irrelevant to my post.
 
the tales or the man actually being alive? Like I said, discounting his existence is different than not believing anything he said.
I am talking about the myth of Christ, the same myth that has been around for thousands of years.. As far as regular Yahushua existing, who knows, there were plenty of people like him during those days..
 
Here we go again. Some of you cats never fail to show up on these threads. You sound like this cat.

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1. You have the undisputed letters of Paul attesting to Jesus' existence. Paul, was by the way, an enemy of the Jesus people initially.

2. There are NO writings in existence from the early Christian opponents that even slightly suggest Jesus didnt exist. NONE! These are individuals that hated Jesus and the church, yet they never said he didn't exist.

3. It is estimated that there were probably one million Christians at the end of the first century worldwide. These are people that either lived during Jesus lifetime or were one or two generations removed from his time. They went through three persecutions. You'd think one person would've said, hold up, hold up, did he even exist.

4. Every major historical scholar today attests to his existence. Doesn't mean they or I believe the miracle stuff or that savior thing, but he as a person more than likely exists.

Damn! I'm sure most want hear this shit!!!
Jesus was born during a roman census and he lived through a few more - and he was executed by a roman governor in jerusalem
christianity took over the roman empire while bureaucracy was intact and centuries of records were preserved...

why no records of Jesus?
I don't recall which ruler it was, but there was mention of his crucifixion in documents of some country around the time as well.
:smh:

every book that mentions jesus and the fate of his disciples was written +100 years after Jesus died
another problem is Romans kept a census and detailed public records even in their conquered territories

Peace,

Uh, because virgin births are impossible and people can't walk on water and turn it into wine?

Ain't nobody gotta listen to that shit.


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I am talking about the myth of Christ, the same myth that has been around for thousands of years.. As far as regular Yahushua existing, who knows, there were plenty of people like him during those days..
Oh, I'm not here to judge people on what they chose to believe. Christianity isn't the only religion either. I just don't like it when people push their beliefs on others and when their religion influences their worldly actions. People are free to choose what they want. But when they affect me or use religion to harm others and to get what they want, I have a problem with it. You can do that with any religion.
 
Oh, I'm not here to judge people on what they chose to believe. Christianity isn't the only religion either. I just don't like it when people push their beliefs on others and when their religion influences their worldly actions. People are free to choose what they want. But when they affect me or use religion to harm others and to get what they want, I have a problem with it. You can do that with any religion.
All the major religions are bat shit and they are more about conquest than any philosophy to make people better.. Whats fucked up is the billions of people who have died over the bullshit and the billions and billions more who will die in the future.
 
All the major religions are bat shit and they are more about conquest than any philosophy to make people better.. Whats fucked up is the billions of people who have died over the bullshit and the billions and billions more who will die in the future.
LOL I wouldn't say that about all of them. For example, Buddhism is about reaching nirvana, no conquest involved. People just use religion to get what they want. People die because of power and control using religion as their tool. Most of the time it's just a book to treat people right. You giving too much credit to the religion and not the people behind it.
I'm not going to judge people, man. If it makes them better people, and they keep it to themselves, it doesn't bother me at all.
 
LOL I wouldn't say that about all of them. For example, Buddhism is about reaching nirvana, no conquest involved. People just use religion to get what they want. People die because of power and control using religion as their tool. Most of the time it's just a book to treat people right. You giving too much credit to the religion and not the people behind it.
I'm not going to judge people, man. If it makes them better people, and they keep it to themselves, it doesn't bother me at all.
Your right, I meant the big three religions..
 
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