5 reasons why Jesus never existed
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Peace,
Uh, because virgin births are impossible and people can't walk on water and turn it into wine?
Ain't nobody gotta listen to that shit.
Uh, because virgin births are impossible and people can't walk on water and turn it into wine?
Ain't nobody gotta listen to that shit.
For all the brothers who think RoadRage is too hard on the Black sisters, especially when I said that their minds are conditioned by the white man..
I challenge you to take the Road challenge, have your wife, your sister, your black mother to watch this video then tell me what their reaction is... Now sit down your Black male relative and have them watch it, then tell me what their reactions are...
Do it and holla back at me, then you will see what I am talking about...
I challenge you to take the Road challenge, have your wife, your sister, your black mother to watch this video then tell me what their reaction is... Now sit down your Black male relative and have them watch it, then tell me what their reactions are...
Do it and holla back at me, then you will see what I am talking about...
Today is definitely Sunday. Never fails.
Just do what makes you happy.
Now they can't tell me zod ain't real. I've done his will, them ladies felt his grace.
We got all kinds of physical evidence.
Are you saying that being that its the day of the Sun makes his words wrong? Or that being that the topic often comes up on a Sunday, that it should be discredited?
I hate jumping to conclusions, this is why I am asking..
You just jumped to all types of conclusions in just your wording in asking me what I meant. So I'm going to let you continue with your thoughts of what you think I meant.
I've heard a lot of Black Christians say similar things "do what makes you happy or follow your beliefs" no matter how stupid it is and how little sense it makes..
Then these same people wonder why there is so much drugs, crime and reckless sex practices in the hood, well could it be that those people are also ascribing to the very same philosophy of doing what makes them happy and what they believe in regardless of how illogical it may be.
I wasn't jumping to anything, this is why I asked you to clarify yourself..
Still not bothering to answer the question?
If you not ready to defend your words, why say them, or even worse why get your feathers ruffled when someone ask you to clarify your statement?
"For Zod's love- like the sun- shines on the sinner and the saved, the just and the unjust..." - Doodoorotome 12:34-35
*two cents*
Here we go again. Some of you cats never fail to show up on these threads. You sound like this cat.
1. You have the undisputed letters of Paul attesting to Jesus' existence. Paul, was by the way, an enemy of the Jesus people initially.
2. There are NO writings in existence from the early Christian opponents that even slightly suggest Jesus didnt exist. NONE! These are individuals that hated Jesus and the church, yet they never said he didn't exist.
3. It is estimated that there were probably one million Christians at the end of the first century worldwide. These are people that either lived during Jesus lifetime or were one or two generations removed from his time. They went through three persecutions. You'd think one person would've said, hold up, hold up, did he even exist.
4. Every major historical scholar today attests to his existence. Doesn't mean they or I believe the miracle stuff or that savior thing, but he as a person more than likely exists.
Damn! I'm sure most want hear this shit!!!
1. You have the undisputed letters of Paul attesting to Jesus' existence. Paul, was by the way, an enemy of the Jesus people initially.
2. There are NO writings in existence from the early Christian opponents that even slightly suggest Jesus didnt exist. NONE! These are individuals that hated Jesus and the church, yet they never said he didn't exist.
3. It is estimated that there were probably one million Christians at the end of the first century worldwide. These are people that either lived during Jesus lifetime or were one or two generations removed from his time. They went through three persecutions. You'd think one person would've said, hold up, hold up, did he even exist.
4. Every major historical scholar today attests to his existence. Doesn't mean they or I believe the miracle stuff or that savior thing, but he as a person more than likely exists.
Damn! I'm sure most want hear this shit!!!
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Feathers ruffled...by you...surely you don't know me.
I told you when I responded to your quote I wouldn't answer you because you attempted to ask and answer for me at the same time. So it's nothing more to say.
And i get to choose if I need to defend my words and if so I also get to decide to WHO.
I only said what it came off as, but was asking you to say yes or no if that was what you meant..
I do realize that sometimes what you type does not come off as what you mean..
So why would you refuse to answer my question... You know I would never stand silent especially if someone were to misconstrue my words..
Matter fact it did happen to me today so lets take a look how that dialogue went down..
Notice he did the same thing I did asked me if this is what I meant, then I simply clarified my statement, and it was all good from there..
Notice I did not go on the defense by telling him to think what you gonna think, and accuse him of jumping to conclusions..
My way is the logical way of thinking, yours was the emotional.. Hope you see the difference..
Dude, you posted way too soon...She uhm...
You!
Sucks to be you!!
I call bullshit with parts of his story also. However, he is the closest writer to that time period of "Jesus". Writing in 49-52AD, Paul speaks of Jesus' siblings. Hard to have siblings if you didn't exist.
Interesting thing is that many from the first and second century call Paul a bullshitter also for many reasons, such as his beliefs and self delusion. They NEVER question his historicity of Jesus.
Most of them accused him of creating the bullshit, so he could cash in on it for his own purposes, matter of fact his story doesn't begin to make sense and everything he wrote about Jesus was supposed to come from a so called hallucination so how can you question a person who admits to seeing things..
What made Jesus any different than any other black during his time was that at an early age he use to wonder out in the dessert eating out of bee hives. Which we know that the bee hive holds miracle foods that we refer to as "THE FOOD OF THE GODS". Bee pollen, bee propolis, and royal jelly.
We could easily say area 51 is not real and they told us for the longest that that never existed. When it was proven that it do exist, it is one of the most guarded places on earth. Why? The natural powers blacks use to have been systematically destroyed by following devils and being carbon copies of them. A need for them to feel they are first, and they pound it into the minds of the masses every day in entertainment, education, politics, religion, law, etc. Always trying to keep the truth from getting a chance to breath free.
We could easily say area 51 is not real and they told us for the longest that that never existed. When it was proven that it do exist, it is one of the most guarded places on earth. Why? The natural powers blacks use to have been systematically destroyed by following devils and being carbon copies of them. A need for them to feel they are first, and they pound it into the minds of the masses every day in entertainment, education, politics, religion, law, etc. Always trying to keep the truth from getting a chance to breath free.
Here we go again. Some of you cats never fail to show up on these threads. You sound like this cat.
1. You have the undisputed letters of Paul attesting to Jesus' existence. Paul, was by the way, an enemy of the Jesus people initially.
2. There are NO writings in existence from the early Christian opponents that even slightly suggest Jesus didnt exist. NONE! These are individuals that hated Jesus and the church, yet they never said he didn't exist.
3. It is estimated that there were probably one million Christians at the end of the first century worldwide. These are people that either lived during Jesus lifetime or were one or two generations removed from his time. They went through three persecutions. You'd think one person would've said, hold up, hold up, did he even exist.
4. Every major historical scholar today attests to his existence. Doesn't mean they or u believe the miracle stuff or that savior thing, but he as a person more than likely exists.
Damn! I'm sure most want here this shit!!!
I don't recall which ruler it was, but there was mention of his crucifixion in documents of some country around the time as well.
The testimonies from martyrs.
-- THEY EACH DIED MAINTAINING JESUS WAS RISEN
The testimony of death is what this author found as a nonbeliever to be a very difficult problem to get around. This is in reference to the last point on the above list: people who were tortured and executed willingly rather than deny their beliefs of Christ.
It is a challenging conjecture for any of us to think of what beliefs, if any, we would hold to the point of enduring torture or death. How long would you burn, or how much skin could you take being peeled away before screaming out whatever your tormentors wanted to hear? Until such moment comes, no one can say. But that moment did arrive for many who came before us, and history answers that they believed Jesus to be God-incarnate to their last breath.
The torturous end of Jesus' closest followers and the torture and exile of another indicates something radical. Their lives and their writings may show us what they believed; but nothing as much as their deaths shows us just how much they believed Jesus to be risen.
Although many martyrs (people who died for not relinquishing their beliefs) and confessors (people who were threatened with death for the same) can be named throughout church history, it is the deaths of the apostles and other close followers which carry the bulk of evidence for Christ's deity.
The apostles knew, lived, and worked with Christ daily for years. If Christ were a fake, no matter what the apostles might have previously preached or written, it is improbable that even one of them would have died for the sake of a joke or a lie. How rational is it that all of them would endure torture, eleven to the death, without even one wavering from their singular belief that Christ was God, and that he appeared to them after his crucifixion?
The fact that they maintained perfect unanimity on Jesus' resurrection under torture, separately and over many years, is inconceivable unless they were each absolutely convinced of Christ's claim to be the almighty God of the universe. The possibility that the apostles honestly mistook him to be God and only thought he appeared to them will be discussed later. But it is without a doubt that, rightly or wrongly, they were all totally convinced of Jesus' deity to the end.
-- JESUS' APOSTLES: THE GREAT OBITUARY
Here is how many of those closest to Jesus met their end:
No group of individuals had closer contact with Jesus than those listed above. Their conclusion, even unto death, was that Jesus was God. Multitudes of unnamed Christians of the same and following eras likewise perished faithful to the conviction that Jesus is Lord. Pliny records an arrest procedure of many such Christians that today reads like a McCarthy-era transcript:
Those who denied they were, or had ever been, Christians, and who repeated after me an invocation to the gods,... and who finally cursed Christ - none of which acts, it is said, those who are really Christians can be forced into performing - these I thought it proper to discharge.
Tacitus, in his work Annals, tells us of the fate common to Christ's faithful, under Nero, who refused to recant their beliefs:
Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.
We often hear or say some variation of, "Your actions are speaking so loudly that I can't hear what you're saying." The apostles and early Christians' actions speak very clearly. Their actions matched their words. They walked their talk. Of course at this point, one might wonder what good their faithfulness did them - secure for them a horrible death? Where was their so-called loving God?
-- WHERE WAS THEIR LOVING GOD?
Long ago I asked this kind of question and felt a certain skepticism about the supposed love of Christ for us. The apostles were Jesus' best friends and they carried on the faith just as he had asked. If the Bible is an accurate portrayal of history and of Christ, I wondered how he could have let them suffer and die as they did.
Christ did love these men, and these men loved Christ. These men could have denied their belief in Jesus and he probably would have forgiven them. But they loved the truth of God literally more than earthly life. Even one denial just to spare themselves from the moment might have become popularized as the "awful truth about Christ", and the worship of Christ then greatly curtailed.
By the apostles' obedience and sacrifice, Christ has allowed their deaths to become an extremely powerful witness to us of his person. They died because they loved Christ, and Christ let them die for him because he loves us. Belief in Christ is that important, and those who died knew it. So it is not God who devalues the apostle's deaths, but us whenever we ignore the truth of Christ for which they surrendered their lives.
The deaths of Jesus' closest followers are speaking to us. Their deaths have become evidence of Christ's deity and ministry on earth. This is evidence of the Bible's believability that no historian, scientist, or skeptic can ignore in clear conscience.
http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Divin/D-0201.htm
-- THEY EACH DIED MAINTAINING JESUS WAS RISEN
The testimony of death is what this author found as a nonbeliever to be a very difficult problem to get around. This is in reference to the last point on the above list: people who were tortured and executed willingly rather than deny their beliefs of Christ.
It is a challenging conjecture for any of us to think of what beliefs, if any, we would hold to the point of enduring torture or death. How long would you burn, or how much skin could you take being peeled away before screaming out whatever your tormentors wanted to hear? Until such moment comes, no one can say. But that moment did arrive for many who came before us, and history answers that they believed Jesus to be God-incarnate to their last breath.
The torturous end of Jesus' closest followers and the torture and exile of another indicates something radical. Their lives and their writings may show us what they believed; but nothing as much as their deaths shows us just how much they believed Jesus to be risen.
Although many martyrs (people who died for not relinquishing their beliefs) and confessors (people who were threatened with death for the same) can be named throughout church history, it is the deaths of the apostles and other close followers which carry the bulk of evidence for Christ's deity.
The apostles knew, lived, and worked with Christ daily for years. If Christ were a fake, no matter what the apostles might have previously preached or written, it is improbable that even one of them would have died for the sake of a joke or a lie. How rational is it that all of them would endure torture, eleven to the death, without even one wavering from their singular belief that Christ was God, and that he appeared to them after his crucifixion?
The fact that they maintained perfect unanimity on Jesus' resurrection under torture, separately and over many years, is inconceivable unless they were each absolutely convinced of Christ's claim to be the almighty God of the universe. The possibility that the apostles honestly mistook him to be God and only thought he appeared to them will be discussed later. But it is without a doubt that, rightly or wrongly, they were all totally convinced of Jesus' deity to the end.
-- JESUS' APOSTLES: THE GREAT OBITUARY
Here is how many of those closest to Jesus met their end:
- Matthew - killed by stabbing as ordered by King Hircanus
- James, son of Alphaeous - crucified
- James, brother of Jesus - thrown down from a height, stoned and then beaten to death at the hands of Ananias (circa AD 66)
- John - tortured by boiling oil, exiled to Patmos in AD 95
- Mark - burned during Roman emperor Trajan's reign
- Peter - crucified upside-down by the gardens of Nero on the Vatican hill circa AD 64
- Andrew - crucified on an "X" shaped cross by Aegeas, governor of the Edessenes, around AD 80
- Philip - stoned and crucified in Hierapolis, Phrygia
- Simon - crucified in Egypt under Trajan's reign
- Thomas - death by spear thrust in Calamina, India
- Thaddaeous - killed by arrows
- James, son of Zebedee - killed by sword in AD 44 by order of King Herod Agrippa I of Judea
- Bartholomew - beaten, flayed alive, crucified upside down, then beheaded
No group of individuals had closer contact with Jesus than those listed above. Their conclusion, even unto death, was that Jesus was God. Multitudes of unnamed Christians of the same and following eras likewise perished faithful to the conviction that Jesus is Lord. Pliny records an arrest procedure of many such Christians that today reads like a McCarthy-era transcript:
Those who denied they were, or had ever been, Christians, and who repeated after me an invocation to the gods,... and who finally cursed Christ - none of which acts, it is said, those who are really Christians can be forced into performing - these I thought it proper to discharge.
Tacitus, in his work Annals, tells us of the fate common to Christ's faithful, under Nero, who refused to recant their beliefs:
Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired.
We often hear or say some variation of, "Your actions are speaking so loudly that I can't hear what you're saying." The apostles and early Christians' actions speak very clearly. Their actions matched their words. They walked their talk. Of course at this point, one might wonder what good their faithfulness did them - secure for them a horrible death? Where was their so-called loving God?
-- WHERE WAS THEIR LOVING GOD?
Long ago I asked this kind of question and felt a certain skepticism about the supposed love of Christ for us. The apostles were Jesus' best friends and they carried on the faith just as he had asked. If the Bible is an accurate portrayal of history and of Christ, I wondered how he could have let them suffer and die as they did.
Christ did love these men, and these men loved Christ. These men could have denied their belief in Jesus and he probably would have forgiven them. But they loved the truth of God literally more than earthly life. Even one denial just to spare themselves from the moment might have become popularized as the "awful truth about Christ", and the worship of Christ then greatly curtailed.
By the apostles' obedience and sacrifice, Christ has allowed their deaths to become an extremely powerful witness to us of his person. They died because they loved Christ, and Christ let them die for him because he loves us. Belief in Christ is that important, and those who died knew it. So it is not God who devalues the apostle's deaths, but us whenever we ignore the truth of Christ for which they surrendered their lives.
The deaths of Jesus' closest followers are speaking to us. Their deaths have become evidence of Christ's deity and ministry on earth. This is evidence of the Bible's believability that no historian, scientist, or skeptic can ignore in clear conscience.
http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Divin/D-0201.htm
When you say "most of them", who are you referencing?
As far as his cashing in, all internal evidence appears to show him going broke and probably being executed under Nero.
Also in regards to Paul's hallucinations. He himself never claims those mystical experiences attributed to him in the Book of Acts. In his own writings he rarely alludes to anything supernatural. Which, by the way, is common in this time.
Remember during Paul's lifetime he wasn't a favorite of many Christians, yet NO ONE calls bullshit to his historical witness of Jesus. These people whether pro or anti Jesus or Paul are in a much better position to say Jesus didnt exist than we are today. Yet, not one scribble is available of anyone questioning that.
Good chatting with you in any event bruh.
I am not holy but I'm not in a race to being the most corrupt... With that said...
Logic is dead...
The definition of faith is:
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
The definition alone invalidates this need to prove anything to anyone.
Faith is a personal choice and that's how I view it.
Now, if you want to push your view on me, now we have a problem.
If I choose to restrict my diet for religious reasons, how does that affect you? It's none of your business.
Furthermore, posts like this reminds me of the election of 2016. All of the Trump supporters "went dark" while the Hil-dog supporters were loud and confrontational.
Trump supporters knew who they were voting for and why, without having to explain themselves to anyone. I think you know the rest of the story.
Logic is dead...
The definition of faith is:
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
The definition alone invalidates this need to prove anything to anyone.
Faith is a personal choice and that's how I view it.
Now, if you want to push your view on me, now we have a problem.
If I choose to restrict my diet for religious reasons, how does that affect you? It's none of your business.
Furthermore, posts like this reminds me of the election of 2016. All of the Trump supporters "went dark" while the Hil-dog supporters were loud and confrontational.
Trump supporters knew who they were voting for and why, without having to explain themselves to anyone. I think you know the rest of the story.
I can't believe cats are actually taking seriously yet another video by a " pseudo, wanna-be intellectual" brother who claims Jesus didn't exist. 
This dude read the ingredients on the back of a box of Good & Plenty, smoked some weed and watched a couple of Black Consciousness videos on YouTube and now he's a "Master Of The Universe".
Now he wants to share his particular brand of "enlightenment" with Black Christians and to inform them just how wrong & foolish they are for believing in Christ and that he knows for a fact that Jesus wasn't real.
Pure Comedy at it's best...
This dude read the ingredients on the back of a box of Good & Plenty, smoked some weed and watched a couple of Black Consciousness videos on YouTube and now he's a "Master Of The Universe".
Now he wants to share his particular brand of "enlightenment" with Black Christians and to inform them just how wrong & foolish they are for believing in Christ and that he knows for a fact that Jesus wasn't real.
Pure Comedy at it's best...
Yo got a headache, and don't feel like going over bullshit religion crap that I was on heavy 12 years ago... Trust me I studied and know my shit and its bullshit..
But here's a video on Paul that will save me a whole lot of my typing..
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