48÷2(9+3) = ????

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Mathway reduces the original equation to this.

The answer is 2 man or you're doing it wrong.

I explained 100s times why it can be either or

All these software have their own set rules, conventions, where you type the problem exactly the way is in to two different programs and you might have two different answers. Because the equation is ambiguous it will either pull up as as syntax error or the program will apply its rule to the equation to get an answer. Who's to say one program is more correct than the other.
 
As a Mathematics educator, it's kinda sad to see how many people still have major misconceptions about arithmetic that's taught in middle school.
 
What about
8/4-(9+3)+2
=8/4-(9+3)+2
=8/4-(12)+2

Conventionally wouldnt you subtract 12 from 8/4 instead of 4-(12)

Lets try it with ÷

What about
8÷4-(9+3)+2
=8÷4-(9+3)+2
=8÷4-(12)+2

8÷4 should be the same as 8/4

I'm not sure what you think I'm arguing but I believe that / is the same as ÷.
 
tre2k4 explained exactly why it IS ambiguous and that is what the entire fuss is over the internet right now. The way in which is it written allows for interpretation. That is the double-irony of it because math supposedly does not allow for it.

themainman summed this up...this is a pscyhological test and not a math test.

But...I´m gonna let you all keep debating this. I have no chips in the game. peace brotha

Interpretation of what you silly fuck? You either Simplify or you dont, when you dont, you get the wrong fucking answer. You're interpreting some shit that doesnt exist because you dont wont to admit you're wrong homeboy.


Yes this is a psychological test. Either you rode the short bus, or you learned Simplification in grade school. :smh:
 
I'm not sure what you think I'm arguing but I believe that / is the same as ÷.

The answer to the equation will be different if you think / is not the same as ÷

Atleast according to Nathan

the ÷
adds an imaginary () to anything following it

3÷5-35+2

is the same as 3/5-35+2)
 
Complete bullshit, and just another motherfucker trying to disregard 3rd Grade Math and make some shit more difficult than it is.


I guess Simplification doesn't exist, huh?

You didn´t even understand my response. Your initial response to me (blue and purple) do not equate with the (288 and 2). The reference was a logical fallacy. That should be very clear. And that is what I meant. Now that much should not be ambigous if you have a rudimentary grasp of logical fallacies.
 
/ signifies that 48/2 is a fraction.

÷ signifies that everything after ÷ is the denominator.


The ÷ means the answer to this equation is 2. If you get anything else, the calculator is thinking you mean / and isnt Simplifying.

This is incorrect. The / symbol and the classic division symbol mean the same thing.
 
You didn´t even understand my response. Your initial response to me (blue and purple) do not equate with the (288 and 2). The reference was a logical fallacy. That should be very clear. And that is what I meant. Now that much should not be ambigous if you have a rudimentary grasp of logical fallacies.

Your response wasn't rocket science fella. I just said it was irrelevant. You went further with it than need be.
 
The answer to the equation will be different if you think / is not the same as ÷

Atleast according to Nathan

the ÷
adds an imaginary () to anything following it

3÷5-35+2

is the same as 3/(3÷5-35+2)

I disagree that they're different but I can understand the ambiguity.
 
But there isn't right? :rolleyes:


There isnt more than one interpretation of the OP equation either. You're just being a pessimist that doesnt wont to admit a wrong.

But there is with 48÷2(9+3)

We dont know the intention of the teacher.

He might not apply the same concept and convention as you.
 
Interpretation of what you silly fuck? You either Simplify or you dont, when you dont, you get the wrong fucking answer. You're interpreting some shit that doesnt exist because you dont wont to admit you're wrong homeboy.


Yes this is a psychological test. Either you rode the short bus, or you learned Simplification in grade school. :smh:

More logical fallacies.

You still don´t understand tre2k4´s post and now you have to resort to ad hominems.

Now, did I call you a silly ignortant fuck when you made the scientifically-ignorant claim that the sky (a non material object) is blue. You just a few posts about vomited out complete ignorance and now you are calling other people an silly fuck? really?

You are failing the psychological test.

I´m out. Have fun.
 
But there is with 48÷2(9+3)

We dont know the intention of the teacher.

He might not apply the same concept and convention as you.

If you apply the rules correctly, there is no doubt as to the correct solution. There's no ambiguity to this problem, just a lack of understanding and application of the mathematical principles that govern its solution.
 
The answer to the equation will be different if you think / is not the same as ÷

Atleast according to Nathan

the ÷
adds an imaginary () to anything following it

3÷5-35+2

is the same as 3/5-35+2

I made a typo

But if you saw

20÷10-5+6*7
Would you put 10-5+6*7 under 20 or put 10
 
If you apply the rules correctly, there is no doubt as to the correct solution. There's no ambiguity to this problem, just a lack of understanding and application of the mathematical principles that govern its solution.

So thousands of people getting two different answers for one problem isnt ambiguity?
 
I am no means an math expert, though I've always passed my class and had my good share of training in the past, but sorry, this shit is hilarious, not only because of the ambiguity of the question and all the different interpretations, but also by the confusion brought on by different sources, calculators, web sites and so called experts.
Mathematics got to do a better job of defining the order of operation, in problems like this, because if something like this can cause such an mix up, imagine what can happen in a much more complexed problem.
 
More logical fallacies.

You still don´t understand tre2k4´s post and now you have to resort to ad hominems.

Now, did I call you a silly ignortant fuck when you made the scientifically-ignorant claim that the sky (a non material object) is blue.

You are failing the psychological test.

I´m out. Have fun.
I completely understand his post, as well as yours, you just keep repeating that I dont to create some type of dominance over my statements. What I said was that you and him are making it more complicated than it is.


You want to get technical about the color of the sky when the situation doesn't call for it, being a textbook pessimist.


You're creating a psychological test that doesn't exist.
 
So thousands of people getting two different answers for one problem isnt ambiguity?

So, does everything that has a right and wrong answer constitute ambiguity? Im pretty sure I can think of some things that have a definite answer that most would be split on.
 
You want to get technical about the color of the sky when the situation doesn't call for it being a textbook pessimist.

.

Ha. Now it is called being technical? There is nothing technical about it. You have been using a interpretive use of color as your fame of reference. It is so ironic that you do not understand what I said your example make my point perfectly. Your subjective view of a non-material determines it´s color. However, in the objective world, the sky is a non-material object and thus has no color. It is not being technical. It is the only CORRECT response.

The way the problem is written leaves it up for interpretation regardless of why you want to accept that reality or not. There is not ONE answer to it (as it is written unless you know the intention of who wrote it) because they way it is written is not objective. Your solution to the problem is but one of them.

This very problem is being debated by high-level mathematicians. I am not talking about people who just studied some math formally.

The conclusion is that the problem is poorly written. And that is the very reason you have 1000s of people with exponentially more math experience than probably 99 percent of the people on this board (you and I included) debating the very issue and concluding differently.

Yall need to stop defaulting to ad-homimen attacks and calling people out of name on this... some people here are responding like religious fanatics.
 
So, does everything that has a right and wrong answer constitute ambiguity? Im pretty sure I can think of some things that have a definite answer that most would be split on.

No. It doesn´t. tre2k4 used a bad example on that. Physical laws (not to be comfused with laws of physics) clearly are a case where there are no ambiguities. They are axioms of existence. So natural laws apply.

However, there are people mathmeticans on the web now applying accepted rules to this equation and taking either direction at the fork in the road and NEITHER are incorrect.

People are being way too emotive.
 
So, does everything that has a right and wrong answer constitute ambiguity? Im pretty sure I can think of some things that have a definite answer that most would be split on.

We are only discussing this particular problem not everything else. This problem is genuinely confusing people. We dont know the intent of the 6th grade teacher. We dont know what convention he goes by.

I still like this explanation below
The video where the teacher explains a question similar to this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCykJ0lK51Y&feature=player_embedded#at=443

She may be wrong accord to you. But we know what her intentions are, so theres no ambiguity after she solves 100÷5(20). She has her own set of rules or conventions that she abide by. Im willing to bet she can back up her answer as well

AND also Mr Math explanation

Order of Operations

Date: 05/19/99 at 13:54:24
From: Stephanie Wu and Meghan Heil
Subject: Algebraic expressions and order of operation

The problem was presented like this:

a = 1.56
b = 1.2
x = 7.2
y = 0.2

ax/by = ?

Here are two ways that I solved it:

1) I first rewrote the problem as [1.56(7.2)/ 1.2](0.2). Second, a was
multiplied by x. The product was 11.232. Then, since no parentheses
were present, I followed the order of operations and divided 11.232 by
b, which was 1.2. The quotient was 9.36. Then I multiplied 9.36 by y,
which was 0.2. The final answer was 1.872.

2) The other way, the first thing I did was multiply a by x. The
product, which was 11.232, was set aside for the time being. Then b
was multiplied by y, which gave the product of 0.24. The problem was
now solved by dividing 11.232 (or ax) by 0.24 (or by) to reach a final
answer of 46.8.

Can you please tell us which answer is correct and why?

Date: 05/19/99 at 17:03:49
From: Doctor Peterson
Subject: Re: Algebraic expressions and order of operation

Hi, Stephanie and Meghan.

You are not alone in wondering about this. We have had several other
questions about expressions similar to yours, from confused teachers
and students who have found that different books or teachers have
different answers, and even calculators disagree.

As written, your expression

ax/by

should be evaluated left to right: a times x, divided by b, times y.
The multiplication is not done before the division, but both are done
in the order they appear. Your first solution is right.

Some texts make a rule, as in your second solution, that
multiplication without a symbol ("implied multiplication") should be
done before any other operations in an expression, including "explicit
multiplication" using a symbol. Following this rule, you would
multiply a by x, then multiply b and y, then divide one by the other.
Some (probably most) texts don't mention such a rule - but some of
those may use it without saying so, which is far worse.

I don't know of a general rule among mathematicians that implied
multiplication should be done before explicit multiplication. As far
as I'm concerned, all multiplications fit in the same place in the
order of operations. It's not an unreasonable rule, though, since it
does seem that implied multiplication ties the operands together more
tightly, at least visually; but the idea of Order of Operations (or
precedence, as it is called in the computer world) is supposed to be
to ensure that everyone will interpret an otherwise ambiguous
expression the same way - so if some texts change the rules, or if
people do what feels natural, the purpose has been lost.

The problem here is that the expression looks as if it were meant to
be

ax
----
by

In the Dr. Math FAQ about writing math in e-mail, one of our
recommendations is to use parentheses wherever possible to avoid
ambiguity, even where the rules should make it clear, because it can
be easy to forget them in some situations:

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.typing.math.html

(click on the Fractions link).

So in e-mail we would write it like this:

ax/(by) or (ax/b)*y

depending on what is intended.

In my research for another Dr. Math "patient," I found that some
calculators have experimented with this rule. Calculators have
somewhat different needs than mathematicians, since they have to take
input linearly, one character after another, so they are forced to
make a decision about it. On the TI Web site I learned that they
deliberately put this "feature" into the TI 82, and then took it out
of the TI 83, probably because they decided it was not a standard rule
and would confuse people. Take a look at their explanation:

http://www.ti.com/calc/docs/faq/83faq039.htm

They also talk about a similar issue for exponentiation of the form
a^b^c, and give the same conclusion we give: always use parentheses
where a statement is ambiguous without special rules:

http://www.ti.com/calc/docs/faq/83faq058.htm

So to answer your question, I think both answers can be considered
right - which means, of course, that the question itself is wrong. I
prefer the standard way (your first answer) when talking to students,
unless their own text gives the "implicit multiplication first" rule;
but in practice if I came across that expression, I would probably
first check where it came from to see if I could tell what was
intended. The main lesson to learn is not which rule to follow, but
how to avoid ambiguity in what you write yourself. Don't give other
people this kind of trouble.

- Doctor Peterson, The Math Forum
http://mathforum.org/dr.math/
 
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How is this a debate???:confused:

1300 replies over 27 pages???:confused::smh:

there are only two terms here

48 and 2(9+3)

if it was written as 48 ÷ 2 x (9+3) then we can go back and forth

either cats is not knowing math or just letting ego and pride get in the way


but this is a bad look for BGOL :lol::smh:
 
The thing is you keep making assumptions based on nothing. I completely understand the statement motherfucker as you're speaking English, a language I'm very fluent in.


What I'm saying is you got too technical with it, and it didn't call for it. When you over-analyze the statement, yes its a poor example. When you look at it from the surface its not.


What Im saying without being overtly technical is...


This Math problem is not ambiguous. It can be taken "literal" and produce the wrong answer, or it can be taken as an equation that has to be Simplified and produce the right answer.

The equation IS poorly written. That's the point. The thing is in 3rd Grade they teach you this thing called Simplifying to create a valid equation. You should try it.


http://mathway.com/problem.aspx?p=basicmath

Ha. Now it is called being technical? There is nothing technical about it. You have been using a interpretive use of color as your fame of reference. It is so ironic that you do not understand what I said your example make my point perfectly. Your subjective view of a non-material determines it´s color. However, in the objective world, the sky is a non-material object and thus has no color. It is not being technical. It is the only CORRECT response.

The way the problem is written leaves it up for interpretation regardless of why you want to accept that reality or not. There is not ONE answer to it (as it is written unless you know the intention of who wrote it) because they way it is written is not objective. Your solution to the problem is but one of them.

This very problem is being debated by high-level mathematicians. I am not talking about people who just studied some math formally.

The conclusion is that the problem is poorly written. And that is the very reason you have 1000s of people with exponentially more math experience than probably 99 percent of the people on this board (you and I included) debating the very issue and concluding differently.

Yall need to stop defaulting to ad-homimen attacks and calling people out of name on this... some people here are responding like religious fanatics.
 
The thing is you keep making assumptions based on nothing. I completely understand the statement motherfucker as you're speaking English, a language I'm very fluent in.


What I'm saying is you got too technical with it, and it didn't call for it. When you over-analyze the statement, yes its a poor example. When you look at it from the surface its not.


What Im saying without being overtly technical is...


This Math problem is not ambiguous. It can be taken "literal" and produce the wrong answer, or it can be taken as an equation that has to be Simplified and produce the right answer.

The equation IS poorly written. That's the point. The thing is in 3rd Grade they teach you this thing called Simplifying to create a valid equation. You should try it.


http://mathway.com/problem.aspx?p=basicmath


Have fun :lol:
 
/ signifies that 48/2 is a fraction.

÷ signifies that everything after ÷ is the denominator.


The ÷ means the answer to this equation is 2. If you get anything else, the calculator is thinking you mean / and isnt Simplifying.

Sorry bub.

I'm not sure what you think I'm arguing but I believe that / is the same as ÷.

This is incorrect. The / symbol and the classic division symbol mean the same thing.

:yes:


And the majority of the board.


And the debate continues...
 
I researched to support my answer. If you understand ambiguity and convention then you would understand that it cant be only 2.

If I said the answer was 1 I should be able to back my answer up by displaying evidence and facts.

fact is people are on here talking about disregarding the parentheses. there is NO ambiguity brother trek, check this out

in pedmas what does the p stand for? parentheses right?

and our problem is: 48/2(9+3)=

well if we are respecting the order of operations and doing parentheses first then what are we doing to the problem regarding the parenthetical terms? they are two like terms so we combine or SIMPLIFY all parenthetical terms so we get twelve... AHA! we simplified the parethetical term but we did not multiply the 9 and the 3 even though they are touching the parentheses. that is because parentheses simply means, in a mathematical SENTENCE (because this is what it is), that the values here are given priority to simplify. THEREFORE, all of the terms that are touching the parentheses must simply with it BY PRIORITY.

it only happens that when numeric terms are juxtapose to the parentheses you multiply. BUT IT IS PRIORITY OF PARENTHESES that you must respect and so you MUST SIMPLIFY THOSE TERMS FIRST! you brothers are soooooooooo caught up on multiplication and division but are ignoring the first letter of the acronym :smh:
 
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