This was brought to my attention by a thread on the main forum titled "Tavis & Dr. West gettin' at Obama again" with 40 replies to date, unanimously critical of Tavis other than my posts.
PSB is going to air Tavis Smiley's "MLK: A Call to Conscious" on Wednesday at 8 PM Eastern, four days before the 43rd anniversary of King's "Beyond Vietnam" speech and just a couple of days after Obama's return from visiting Afghanistan.
Smiley discussed the project on MSNBC, with this clip becoming the subject of the thread linked above:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789//vp/36081038#36081038
Most of the responses were along the lines of "Tavis needs to cut this shit out," that he's "still being a bitch" or that his "hate knows no bounds."
I'd like to bring the conversation to this side by showing one response which quotes from President Obama's Nobel speech and my response to that post:
I watched the clip and while Obama did not "criticize Martin" as Cornel West said, it is not really a stretch to say that he did mildly criticize Martin's ideas as "not useful for commander-in-chief," as West said.
The trouble with Obama's remarks is that they are contradictory. He tries to have it both ways.
On one hand, he says "I know there is nothing weak -nothing passive - nothing naïve - in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King."
Directly after, though, he says "I cannot be guided by their examples alone." Okay. He doesn't say here who else he follows but he does say "I face the world as it is," which is a pretty clear implication that Gandhi and King did not, that they were naïve idealists. They philosophized about the world as it should be while President Obama is forced to face the world as it is.
On one hand, Obama says there is nothing passive about the creed of Gandhi and King. Yet he states that his point of departure from their example is that he "cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people."
How is he not saying that the creed of King is insufficient idealism and that his realism, built upon a "recognition of history," is better suited for presidential leadership?
"For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world." As if the naïve nonviolent philosophy of King did not recognize this truth. Please. Cornel West's indignation at this patronizing counsel seems more than justified. Tavis Smiley did not at all misrepresent President Obama.
I suggest everyone in this thread look at Wednesday night's special with an open and objective mind-- It seems as if Smiley is helping to present a very worthwhile and necessary message.
PSB is going to air Tavis Smiley's "MLK: A Call to Conscious" on Wednesday at 8 PM Eastern, four days before the 43rd anniversary of King's "Beyond Vietnam" speech and just a couple of days after Obama's return from visiting Afghanistan.
Smiley discussed the project on MSNBC, with this clip becoming the subject of the thread linked above:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789//vp/36081038#36081038
Most of the responses were along the lines of "Tavis needs to cut this shit out," that he's "still being a bitch" or that his "hate knows no bounds."
I'd like to bring the conversation to this side by showing one response which quotes from President Obama's Nobel speech and my response to that post:
And this is why you can't take Tavis seriously. He's blatantly making up what he thinks the president said.
Because here's what the President said in his speech:
I make this statement mindful of what Martin Luther King said in this same ceremony years ago - "Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones." As someone who stands here as a direct consequence of Dr. King's life's work, I am living testimony to the moral force of non-violence. I know there is nothing weak -nothing passive - nothing naïve - in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King.
But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world. A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda's leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism - it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason.
I watched the clip and while Obama did not "criticize Martin" as Cornel West said, it is not really a stretch to say that he did mildly criticize Martin's ideas as "not useful for commander-in-chief," as West said.
The trouble with Obama's remarks is that they are contradictory. He tries to have it both ways.
On one hand, he says "I know there is nothing weak -nothing passive - nothing naïve - in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King."
Directly after, though, he says "I cannot be guided by their examples alone." Okay. He doesn't say here who else he follows but he does say "I face the world as it is," which is a pretty clear implication that Gandhi and King did not, that they were naïve idealists. They philosophized about the world as it should be while President Obama is forced to face the world as it is.
On one hand, Obama says there is nothing passive about the creed of Gandhi and King. Yet he states that his point of departure from their example is that he "cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people."
How is he not saying that the creed of King is insufficient idealism and that his realism, built upon a "recognition of history," is better suited for presidential leadership?
"For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world." As if the naïve nonviolent philosophy of King did not recognize this truth. Please. Cornel West's indignation at this patronizing counsel seems more than justified. Tavis Smiley did not at all misrepresent President Obama.
I suggest everyone in this thread look at Wednesday night's special with an open and objective mind-- It seems as if Smiley is helping to present a very worthwhile and necessary message.
