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2015: The next recession has started

I think the thread title should have been more something like "the world is fucked financially" rather than "the next recession has started".... because there are definitions for recession, and our GDP growth, as slow as it is, doesn't say recession (I know there are other measures, but I'll go with that one). ...also, being that recessions are part of the normal ebb and flow of the economy over years, the next recession is always coming, no matter how good things are or how bad they are. It would be good to spell out the definition of recession you're using, and then show why it matches up with current conditions. People can then disagree or agree based upon what definition of recession they're using and why.

So... financially, things are fucked... recession, now? I don't think so, but some may based upon different factors than the ones I'm using.



Mixd said:
So you feel this way about there won't be a recession or all these world events are not happening? Please explain what isn't happening with your infinite wisdom
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WAKE UP CALL: Our Entire World is Going To Change -- BILL HOLTER​
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Published on Aug 26, 2016
The cartel hit gold hard again on Wednesday selling $1.5 BILLION is paper gold into the market in ONE MINUTE and as JS Mineset's Bill Holter notes, "$1.5 Billion of gold is close to 2% of global production and to see that sold in one minute is laughable. Who has that amount of gold to sell? And the answer of course is almost no one. And what trader would ever sell in that fashion? And the answer is no one wo would want to keep a job if they were selling for profit. So the sell was obviously to create price, a lower one." But as the bond market and rising LIBOR rates are telling us, the system is coming apart at the seams and the coming collapse will cause "our entire world to change."
 


pay close attention to minute mark: 2:35
We are in a precarious position. one that has catastrophic results if it doesn't go right. debt is crushing the American economy and now that china has the yuan positioned to become a world reserve currency, countries will indeed start dumping the dollar faster as they already doing it slowly now.
like I said...I don't do conspiracy theory. I base all my analytics on facts and use common sense to draw possible outcomes.....
 
Broken Central Banks: 4 Quick Pix
Jim Willie
October 25, 2016

The Western central bank franchise system is totally broken, totally insolvent, and totally corrupt. It invites the Gold Standard return. The entire financial system is built upon a debt-based monetary system. The debt saturation process has run its full course. The central bank heads have been covering the sovereign debt for the last five years, having rendered their balance sheets as ruined. Debt is at obscene levels, like $19.7 trillion for the USGovt. No debt limits are in place anymore, a signal that most likely it has already defaulted. A hidden game is underway, with control lost to the creditors, even as they attempt to salvage their debt holdings. The major central banks continue to manage badly the great game, where money is fake phony and a farce. A titanic battle is underway, where the Eastern nations are discarding their USTreasury Bonds, and doing so in tremendous volume while they set up the many platforms and pieces to the Gold Standard.

Read the rest: http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/broken-central-banks-4-quick-pix
 
Mixd said:
Broken Central Banks: 4 Quick Pix
Jim Willie
October 25, 2016

The Western central bank franchise system is totally broken, totally insolvent, and totally corrupt. It invites the Gold Standard return. The entire financial system is built upon a debt-based monetary system. The debt saturation process has run its full course. The central bank heads have been covering the sovereign debt for the last five years, having rendered their balance sheets as ruined. Debt is at obscene levels, like $19.7 trillion for the USGovt. No debt limits are in place anymore, a signal that most likely it has already defaulted. A hidden game is underway, with control lost to the creditors, even as they attempt to salvage their debt holdings. The major central banks continue to manage badly the great game, where money is fake phony and a farce. A titanic battle is underway, where the Eastern nations are discarding their USTreasury Bonds, and doing so in tremendous volume while they set up the many platforms and pieces to the Gold Standard.

Read the rest: http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/broken-central-banks-4-quick-pix
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Boy...whatever. ... tell'm they can shove their gold up their ass....in a total collapse a bag of potatoes is wort more than a bag of gold....learn to grow potatoes nigga.
 
Mixd said:
US Taxes Well Spent: Pentagon Can’t Account for $6.5 Trillion

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160809/1044071774/pentagon-audit-trillions.html
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Mixd said:
For those interested, use a fake email if you want, to watch the full documentary about China On Top: How China is Using America's Playbook to take over the World

it's 50 mins

https://www.caseyresearch.com/china/event
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Mixd said:
WAKE UP CALL: Our Entire World is Going To Change -- BILL HOLTER
​


Published on Aug 26, 2016
The cartel hit gold hard again on Wednesday selling $1.5 BILLION is paper gold into the market in ONE MINUTE and as JS Mineset's Bill Holter notes, "$1.5 Billion of gold is close to 2% of global production and to see that sold in one minute is laughable. Who has that amount of gold to sell? And the answer of course is almost no one. And what trader would ever sell in that fashion? And the answer is no one wo would want to keep a job if they were selling for profit. So the sell was obviously to create price, a lower one." But as the bond market and rising LIBOR rates are telling us, the system is coming apart at the seams and the coming collapse will cause "our entire world to change."
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Moving Target said:


pay close attention to minute mark: 2:35
We are in a precarious position. one that has catastrophic results if it doesn't go right. debt is crushing the American economy and now that china has the yuan positioned to become a world reserve currency, countries will indeed start dumping the dollar faster as they already doing it slowly now.
like I said...I don't do conspiracy theory. I base all my analytics on facts and use common sense to draw possible outcomes.....
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Mixd said:
Broken Central Banks: 4 Quick Pix
Jim Willie
October 25, 2016

The Western central bank franchise system is totally broken, totally insolvent, and totally corrupt. It invites the Gold Standard return. The entire financial system is built upon a debt-based monetary system. The debt saturation process has run its full course. The central bank heads have been covering the sovereign debt for the last five years, having rendered their balance sheets as ruined. Debt is at obscene levels, like $19.7 trillion for the USGovt. No debt limits are in place anymore, a signal that most likely it has already defaulted. A hidden game is underway, with control lost to the creditors, even as they attempt to salvage their debt holdings. The major central banks continue to manage badly the great game, where money is fake phony and a farce. A titanic battle is underway, where the Eastern nations are discarding their USTreasury Bonds, and doing so in tremendous volume while they set up the many platforms and pieces to the Gold Standard.

Read the rest: http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/broken-central-banks-4-quick-pix
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if you don't completely understand whats going on...go back and watch the movie "the big short"...people who were running the system were completely delusioal about what was happening until it blew up in their face, then the American tax payer bailed them out....this time, there isn't enough "bail money" to bail out the world economy ...china and Russia see it coming along with other BRICS natons and are making moves to ease themselves out o the dollar before things get too bad...either way, it will be the greatest transfer of wealth/resources in the history of mankind....in the movie the big short...dude made over 2 billion dollars in profits in a short period of time......imagine how much will be made this go around...there has to be a reset of some kind in the near future.....EVERY FIAT CURRENCY IN MANKINDS HISTORY HAS GONE TO ZERO....its only a matter of time and history...greed is mother when it comes to people making profit at all costs.
 
China Dumps Treasuries: Foreign Central Banks Liquidate A Record $403 Billion In US Paper

One month ago, when we last looked at the Fed's update of Treasuries held in custody, we noted something troubling: the number had continued to drop sharply, declining by another $14 billion in one week, and pushing the total amount of custodial paper to $2.788 trillion, the lowest since 2012. One month later, we refresh this chart and find that in last week's update, there is finally some good news: foreign central banks finally bought some US paper held in the Fed's custody account, which following months of liquidation, rose over the past two weeks by $23 billion, the biggest two-week advance since November of 2016, pushing the total amount of custodial paper to $2.816 trillion, the highest since early October.



That was the good news, and we use the term loosely in as much as the custody account can be used as a proxy of foreign buying, which according to most rates watchers, it can.

The bad news came out with the release of latest monthly Treasury International Capital data for the month of October, which showed that the troubling trend presented one month ago, has accelerated to an unprecedented degree.

Recall that in mid-November, we reported that in the latest 12 months we observed a record $375 billion in Treasury selling by foreign central banks in the period August 2015-September 2016, something unprecedented in size.

Fast forward to today when in the latest monthly update for the month of October, we find that what until a month ago was "merely" a record $375 billion in offshore central bank sales in the LTM period ending September 30 has, one month later, risen to a new all time high $403 billion in Treasuries sold in the past 12 months.

As the chart below shows, there has never been such an aggressive selling of US Treasuries over a 12 month period in history.



The biggest seller, and keep in mind that TIC data is on a market-price adjusted basis, was once again was China, which in October "sold" a record $41 billion in US paper (the actual underlying number while different, as this particular series is adjusted for Mark to Market variations, will be similar), and a massive $125 billion in the last 4 months, bringing its total Treasury holdings to just $1.116 trillion, the lowest amount of US paper held by Beijing since 2010. In the process, China has now been overtaken by Japan for the top US creditor position in terms of total holdings with $1.132 trillion, for just the second time.

full story: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...entral-banks-liquidate-record-403-billion-us-
 
Mixd said:
China Dumps Treasuries: Foreign Central Banks Liquidate A Record $403 Billion In US Paper

One month ago, when we last looked at the Fed's update of Treasuries held in custody, we noted something troubling: the number had continued to drop sharply, declining by another $14 billion in one week, and pushing the total amount of custodial paper to $2.788 trillion, the lowest since 2012. One month later, we refresh this chart and find that in last week's update, there is finally some good news: foreign central banks finally bought some US paper held in the Fed's custody account, which following months of liquidation, rose over the past two weeks by $23 billion, the biggest two-week advance since November of 2016, pushing the total amount of custodial paper to $2.816 trillion, the highest since early October.



That was the good news, and we use the term loosely in as much as the custody account can be used as a proxy of foreign buying, which according to most rates watchers, it can.

The bad news came out with the release of latest monthly Treasury International Capital data for the month of October, which showed that the troubling trend presented one month ago, has accelerated to an unprecedented degree.

Recall that in mid-November, we reported that in the latest 12 months we observed a record $375 billion in Treasury selling by foreign central banks in the period August 2015-September 2016, something unprecedented in size.

Fast forward to today when in the latest monthly update for the month of October, we find that what until a month ago was "merely" a record $375 billion in offshore central bank sales in the LTM period ending September 30 has, one month later, risen to a new all time high $403 billion in Treasuries sold in the past 12 months.

As the chart below shows, there has never been such an aggressive selling of US Treasuries over a 12 month period in history.



The biggest seller, and keep in mind that TIC data is on a market-price adjusted basis, was once again was China, which in October "sold" a record $41 billion in US paper (the actual underlying number while different, as this particular series is adjusted for Mark to Market variations, will be similar), and a massive $125 billion in the last 4 months, bringing its total Treasury holdings to just $1.116 trillion, the lowest amount of US paper held by Beijing since 2010. In the process, China has now been overtaken by Japan for the top US creditor position in terms of total holdings with $1.132 trillion, for just the second time.

full story: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...entral-banks-liquidate-record-403-billion-us-
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wow don't even hear a peep about this into American media this is how some people could get blind sided
 
Day_Carver said:
so whats the investment moves??
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I'm no investment guru, just best to diversify and keep things as liquid as possible in my opinion.

This reset is coming and is imminent. Think their plan is to make Trump the fall guy once he's seated. Who knows. But globally things are on the brink of collapse.

25 states are in distress already.

And Jay, sorry for the Zerohedge links:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-6-states-will-collapse-during-next-recession

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-13/do-state-revenue-trends-indicate-recession-imminent
 
See my game plan ...somewhere in the middle of this quote.


Moving Target said:
My man, I don't just go off the internet. I read and study history. In my old job, I was an analyst and learned how to take data and interpret it into a usable tactical picture that would give my team directives and targets. Think im lying, go look up A N B, Analyst notebook....its wildly used tool that helps take pieces of data and put them together for interpretation and corroborative evaluation. ****The history of fiat currency world wide is that it will ultimately go to zero. no matter how hard you try to stave it off. kick the can down the road all you want, soon you run out of road. Chance favors the prepared mind...right. I hope that I am wrong but history says that I am right in betting against the dollar. even if it takes anther 10 years. I only hope it happens sooner than later while I can still do something about it.
There will always be wrong predictions, but ask yourself. if it does happen what will you do?

ALSO...ARGUE THIS POINT WITH ME ALL YOU WHO ARE SAYING WE ARE INSANE.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE DOLLAR IS NO LONGER THE WORLD RESERVE CURRENCY, WHEN OTHER COUNTRIES START DOING BUSINESS WITHOUT THE U.S. GREENBACK. ALL THE PRINTING IN THE WORLD WONT MEAN SHIT....Only 2 options, a war or economic depression/devastation.

SEE I KNOW THAT MOST OF YOU GUYS ARE HOPEFULS AND DONT WANT TO EVEN THINK ABOUT THE UGLY REALITY WHEN THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAS PRINTED TRILLIONS IN PAPER MONEY, BACKED BY NOTHING...NOW HALF THE WORLD IS DIVESTING ITSELF FROM THE DOLLAR AND NO LONGER NEEDS IT TO DO BUSINESS.

ARGUE ME ON THIS...BUT BEFORE YOU DO. GO READ UP ON
1) THE ASIAN INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT BANK (AIIB)
2) THE BRICS COUNTRIES WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING ECONOMICALLY
3) THE BANK OF INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENTS
4) NOT GONNA MENTION THE IMF AND WORLD BANK, THEY LOW ON THE TOTEM POLE.
5) READ UP ON THE TTP AND FIND OUT WHY ITS SO SECRETIVE AND WHY IT LOCKS IN CORPORATE POWER.

IF you have never heard of or read any of the above items, we can not even begin to discuss global economics.

it is inevitable...we are fucking up fast and picking up speed.
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Moving Target said:
MY GAME PLAN:
1. Get out of all debt. Right now, I only owe on my house. I paid off all debt that extra BS.
2. For self preservation, I started studying and acquiring basic homesteading skill sets, like how to start a fire, purify water, and this summer, I am taking a class on canning.
You need the 6 basic to survive: food clothing water shelter, security and communications. how you cover them is strictly up to you. most people call this prepping but back in the day it was called common damn
sense. the police are not coming to save you. you are responsible for you, your family.
3. BUY LAND...even if it is just a 1/4 acre lot. learn to grow food. I own some land in the country and put some fruit trees out there just for good measure. later im going to get some small animals but I gotta wait until I have
it fenced. but if that doesn't work, I am still going to breed rabbit...they are small cheap and provide protein in a pinch.....and yes if I need to, Scooby Doo is on menu. There is a guy in California that produces 500 pounds
of food a month off just that little lot.
4. money wise, I am trying to buy silver bc it sky rocket and still maintains value as a commercial and medical commodity.
5. THIS IS A KEY POINT = develop a team. relationships with people who are awake and have worthwhile skillsets. mechanics, doctors, nurses, engineers, welders, carpenters, farmers, military veterans and cops (yeah i
know but you need inside people too when you need info). i got all the above on my team all though my doctor is older, he still can show me how to patch up a wound if necessary. his knowledge my hands.... I am still
short on some real shooters on
the team. but got 4 all vets but I need at least 10. around the clock security is bitch if you never pulled that kind of duty.
6. Make sure you have an abundance of hand tools for any odd jobs or repairs when that cordless drill fail. wrenchs, screwdrivers, hammers, etc....I grew up working with hand tools, so no issues there.

***FORGOT ONE THING...Get your ass and your family international passports in case things get so hectic you got to leave the country. I got a family friends in south america and im eying to get a spot in middle america or the phillipeans.


this is all basic....take what knowledge you need and leave the rest.
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Moving Target said:
Cotton mouth and Agnostic.....read my post and tell me where I am full of shit. Everything that I posted is already fact. as far as mixed goes, he and I see eye to eye for different reasons. My old professor used to tell me ...smart people sound like crazy people to dumb people. everything I post on $$$..is on the money. Read the creature from Jekyll island, do some research of everything I have listed then come back and tell me im full of shit. My purpose here is not to convince you but to put out information...DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH...

I was never rated as a top analyst bc I was full of shit. but when I get corroboration from totally independent sources, something tells me I am on the right track...

I guess I made up the panama papers, offshore accounts, the IMF, WORLD BANK, AIIB, BRICS, and THE FEDERAL RESERVE.

The death of the dollar is imminent..its not if but when it happens. My people perish for the lack of knowledge. all I ask is when the dollar dies, and a new currency is established, it will be the greatest wealth transfer in the history of mankind.....that's why wealthy people are buying real 'REAL" estate....hard assets and commodities...food and water, you will always need and Monsanto locking down the food and nestle trying to lock down the water.
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Moving Target said:
everything is a joke to those who are uninformed. information is power...get you some. you don't have to believe me, do your own research. my people always catching the caboose when shit is going down....not this time player. im providing info to those who want to learn. I don't do all that crazy world ending nonsense. I LOOK STRICTLY AT FACT. HARD ANALYTICS...On the real, I have faced the harsh realities of life in a war zone (former military and contractor), in the streets (been homeless), and in watching decision makers purposely fuck shit up for their own benefit. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. you can se for yourself how effed up this country is and yet you still saying that black people should not prepare for a possible disastrous scenario..yet we always the ones that suffer the most. IGNORANCE IS WHAT KILLS UP.....MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. you don't know whats going on, who's doing it, how its being done, nor why but yet you laughing when the whole time the jokes on you.

Get serious brother about the shit that's going on....but again, I am not here to convince you. You the type of person that thinks all these Caucasians running around here talking about zombie killings are really preparing for the walking dead when actually you are the zombie that they are preparing to kill. go look up Z.E.R.T. zombie eradication response team and tell me that this doesn't look like they are preparing for something and all the while you are the zombie. zombie = ignorant, unprepared, desperate, needy person that will do anything to take what you have including your life to save their own bc they failed to prepare.

old school grasshopper and the ant. one prepared, one played....when winter came the grasshopper was shit out of luck. ...to quote a famous tv series... WINTER IS COMING!

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL. EDUCATION IS EXPENSIVE BUT IGNORANCE EVEN MORE SO....
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something to consider. PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS SAID AT 21:45. Then post. Its evident that these cats are making moves and preparing. check my posts when I said to do your research on the IMF, world bank, bank of international settlements, special drawing rights, and NOW THE YUAN IS QUALIFYING FOR THE SPECIAL DRAWING RIGHTS BASKET OF CURRENCIES.....Damn if you aint watching supreme chess moves in the planning and making right before your eyes and don't even know what it means.

It will be damn near apocalyptic when the greatest transfer of wealth in human history happens. you can ride the wave or get crushed by it. Why do a lot of America's wealthiest corporatins have ridiculous amounts of cash n offshore accounts...to avoid taxes and to come I and scoop up the bargains when stuff happens. you need to be liquid, diversified, and ready. if you are blinded by the short game ..."watch things unfold over time" short sighted people cant play chess well bc they looking for the easy, quick solution and cant see the traps strategically set for them until its sprung.....most of my people are like this. that's why I even bother to drop knowledge from time to time on this site. the one good thing about my black people though is we are some resilient mofos and can/do survive in every hostile environment on the planet. but its going to take something like this to unite us and FORCE US TO AGAIN DO FOR OURSELVES BY OURSELVES.
 
With this in mind any fam out there in the Metro Atlanta area about some business, holler at me.

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Moving Target said:
See my game plan ...somewhere in the middle of this quote.



something to consider. PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS SAID AT 21:45. Then post. Its evident that these cats are making moves and preparing. check my posts when I said to do your research on the IMF, world bank, bank of international settlements, special drawing rights, and NOW THE YUAN IS QUALIFYING FOR THE SPECIAL DRAWING RIGHTS BASKET OF CURRENCIES.....Damn if you aint watching supreme chess moves in the planning and making right before your eyes and don't even know what it means.

It will be damn near apocalyptic when the greatest transfer of wealth in human history happens. you can ride the wave or get crushed by it. Why do a lot of America's wealthiest corporatins have ridiculous amounts of cash n offshore accounts...to avoid taxes and to come I and scoop up the bargains when stuff happens. you need to be liquid, diversified, and ready. if you are blinded by the short game ..."watch things unfold over time" short sighted people cant play chess well bc they looking for the easy, quick solution and cant see the traps strategically set for them until its sprung.....most of my people are like this. that's why I even bother to drop knowledge from time to time on this site. the one good thing about my black people though is we are some resilient mofos and can/do survive in every hostile environment on the planet. but its going to take something like this to unite us and FORCE US TO AGAIN DO FOR OURSELVES BY OURSELVES.
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what kind of business 3M ? you are sitting in Atlanta. there are several groups up there. but most noteworthy is the NOI farm in newnan GA just south of ATL. they just had their annual Black agricultural survival expo about a month ago. they trying to teach people how to become farmers again and grow natural/organic foods.
 

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