the equation involving the parentheses is 2(5). Period. You must simplify ALL parentheses before moving on to any other operation.
48÷2(9+3) = ????
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I watched that at least 10 times before so I thought I'd watch it again for fun. I was eating my Reese's Pieces and the end caught me off guard (because that was never part of the original video) and I damn near choked.
its the special "followup" edition.
As I stated several pages ago, 2x and 2*x have only one operation. There is no ordering, no prioritizing. All you have to do is multiply the 2 things.
In the same sense, when you have 2x/y, there is no need for ordering ooperations because multiplication and division are of the same order. You can choose to divide first or multiply first and you will arrive at the same answer.
Now when you add parentheses, exponents and addition/subtraction, the confusion comes in...hence, a 30+ page thread which was answered correctly on page 1.
gotDAMN..... a math problem is 33 pages and countin????? 
And the parentheses acts as multiplication. There is nothing within that "group" that needs to be simplified as it already is.the equation involving the parentheses is 2(5). Period. You must simplify ALL parentheses before moving on to any other operation.
You are confusing 2(5) with (2*5)
Stop being dense.
This statement is part of the reason why 40% of responders get this problem incorrect. You are relying on the power of a machine to do your thinking for you. If the user does not know how to use the machine, the machine is worthless, no matter how much the user paid for it.
You would be a fool to believe that I ran directly to my calculator to discover the answer. I see the answer by looking at it. The calculator was used to support my answer. If my calculator said two, I still would not believe it.
I'm pretty sure that have enough experience with these "machines", being a defense engineer and all. Just sayin.
Now get the fuck outta here with that bullshit!
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hey, I may have missed a few posts in the hundreds over 33 pages. Sue me
and I answered your question....*********************
Next lesson:
2x=2*x=2(x) only 1 operation...no need to order them
3+2x=3+2*x=3+2(x) 2 operations to order. multiplication trumps addition in each
1/3+2x only 2 operations
1/(3+2x) 3 operations
1/8(3+2x) 4 operations
PEMDAS 1/(24+16x)
1/8(3+2x)^2 (5 operations: you will square what's in the parentheses first, then multiply all of that by 8, then divide 1 by all of that)
LOL! IRON-E
the parentheses is obviously multiplication. As far as I see, nobody is debating that
What YOU will not accept is that the multiplication that comes with parentheses is of a higher order than multiplication with a times sign. Math is a universal language and some of you do not speak it
If you all are not lying about your professions, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Why don't you text the problem to some of your colleagues and see what they reply. I am 100% sure it will not be 288.You would be a fool to believe that I ran directly to my calculator to discover the answer. I see the answer buy looking at it. The calculator was used to support my answer. If my calculator said two, I still would not believe it.
I'm pretty sure that have enough experience with these "machines", being a defense engineer and all. Just sayin.
Now get the fuck outta here with that bullshit!
WITHIN the parentheses, not NEXT to it.LOL! IRON-E
the parentheses is obviously multiplication. As far as I see, nobody is debating that
What YOU will not accept is that the multiplication that comes with parentheses is of a higher order than multiplication with a times sign. Math is a universal language and some of you do not speak it
You are too dense to understand this.
2(9+3) is only ONE TERM
lemme ask you what what is (9+3)20÷48 = ???
hey, I may have missed a few posts in the hundreds over 33 pages. Sue me
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Next lesson:
2x=2*x=2(x) only 1 operation...no need to order them
3+2x=3+2*x=3+2(x) 2 operations to order. multiplication trumps addition in each
1/3+2x only 2 operations
1/(3+2x) 3 operations
1/8(3+2x) 4 operations
PEMDAS 1/(24+16x)
1/8(3+2x)^2 (5 operations: you will square what's in the parentheses first, then multiply all of that by 8, then divide 1 by all of that)
It was the same post though. You have missed a whole lot more than a few posts.
Will refer you to the example in my sig. This is the solution to your math difficulties. You either learn it or you don't. Not my problem
Thanks.
OK. Thanks.
http://personal.carthage.edu/tgroleau/AlgebraReview/Section04.html
once again...(they also address the problems with calculators and orders of operation)
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"Calculators and the Order of Operations
Most non-graphing calculators either automatically follow the order of operations or give the user the option of setting the order followed. However, some old calculators
and some very inexpensive calculators ignore the order of operations and simply calculate items in whatever order they are entered.
You can do a quick test to see how your calculator works. Enter the following problem: 3 + 2 × 4 and check the answer. If your calculator automatically follows the order of operations you will get the correct answer of 11, (2 × 4 = 8, 3 +8 = 11). If your calculator does not follow the order of operations you will get the incorrect answer of 20, (3 +2= 5,5×4= 20).
If your calculator found the correct answer, then you have little to worry about. You can enter problems as they come throughout the semester. However, if your calculator found the wrong answer you will have to be very careful when entering problems. You will have to determine the correct order yourself and enter them into your calculator accordingly."
once again...(they also address the problems with calculators and orders of operation)
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"Calculators and the Order of Operations
Most non-graphing calculators either automatically follow the order of operations or give the user the option of setting the order followed. However, some old calculators
and some very inexpensive calculators ignore the order of operations and simply calculate items in whatever order they are entered.
You can do a quick test to see how your calculator works. Enter the following problem: 3 + 2 × 4 and check the answer. If your calculator automatically follows the order of operations you will get the correct answer of 11, (2 × 4 = 8, 3 +8 = 11). If your calculator does not follow the order of operations you will get the incorrect answer of 20, (3 +2= 5,5×4= 20).
If your calculator found the correct answer, then you have little to worry about. You can enter problems as they come throughout the semester. However, if your calculator found the wrong answer you will have to be very careful when entering problems. You will have to determine the correct order yourself and enter them into your calculator accordingly."
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https://www.lonestar.edu/departments/learningcenter/Mnemonics.pdf
"Distributive Property To distribute something is to give it to everyone. The Distributive Property “gives” whatever’s outside the parentheses to everything inside: a (b + c)=ab + ac"
"Distributive Property To distribute something is to give it to everyone. The Distributive Property “gives” whatever’s outside the parentheses to everything inside: a (b + c)=ab + ac"
If you all are not lying about your professions, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Why don't you text the problem to some of your colleagues and see what they reply. I am 100% sure it will not be 288.
I did this yesterday and I pretty much got the answers I was expecting. My friends in software engineering told me to rewrite if I wanted the answer to be 2, while a lot my mechanical folks said that it should be 2, but when asked if they disagree with it being 288 they went back to I don't know. With programming, the problem has laser precise, that is why programs like matlab force you to enter 48/2*(9+3) instead of 48/2(9+3). It doesn't recognize it because of the ambiguity, this then forces whoever the operator to make a decision and be clearer about their intentions.
this is math. not engineering. and this is BASIC math at that. We would expect that our engineers, supposedly the best and the brightest, would be able to come to the correct solution to this problem: 2. If any of them answered 288 seeing the equation AS IS, they should re-evaluate themselves.
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You are missing my point. It's all about the parenthesis, programmers see 48÷2(9+3) and 48÷(2(9+3)) as two very different things. There is a reason why we have seen all over the internet, that this argument never ends. So roll with your 2 if you want, that's fine, but you damn sure are not in a position to tell others to re-evaluate themselves with all of the dumb shit you have said on this thread. If you are going to debate on such a basic concept, don't get get caught saying any ignorant shit.
Do you though!
LOL!!! Quote all of the dumb shit I have posted in this thread please. Thanks.
I came to the correct answer in 5 seconds, while you STILL do not get it. I am in a better position than you to tell you to re-evaluate yourself (and your math skills). The equation is typed as 48÷2(9+3). Not 48÷(2(9+3)), so right there you can stop. There are 2 math principles that will lead a person to the correct answer:
Distributive property & PEMDAS. Period. You try to forget about either of them, you will arrive at the wrong answer. Ok? *waiting for your quotes of my posts*. Thanks.
All the accusations of ignorance and jest make you no more right dude. I put this problem in front of a 7th Grader, he said "PEMDAS" and solved it to 2. I put this in front of a Finance major, she said "PEMDAS" and solved it to 2.
1. I didn't even read Tre2k4's waste of time post.
2. I didn't read that shit either.
3. That video explains Simplifying and the Order of Operations to your silly ass.
4. Suck my dick and gargle my balls.
1. I didn't even read Tre2k4's waste of time post.
2. I didn't read that shit either.
3. That video explains Simplifying and the Order of Operations to your silly ass.
4. Suck my dick and gargle my balls.
I think the "logical ones" or really just the people that agree with you have decided to distance themselves away from your black ass who:
Can't see the connection between the OP original problem and related examples, even when the support your argument, let a alone the ones that don't.
Takes it upon yourself to hunt down a video clip of a person performing the order of operations correctly in an example that truly has no relation ship to the original problem or related examples. Proving your lack of understanding of the actual debate between the 2 and the 288.
And you refused to address questions that could possibly vindicate you from your ignorance.
The actual debate has been over for a while many of us who were on one side or the other have decided to admit that the way the problem is written, there is room for different interpretations.
What's been happening for the last several hours is folks discovering that you, one of the main contributers to this debate is a total dumb ass who had no business in the discussion from the jump.
This will be over when you stop posting and displaying your ignorance. I won't stop nigga, I won't.
So lets try this again EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU WON'T ANSWER IT
But Ima try to make it painful as fuck for you to keep glossing over!
1) CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW THE EXAMPLES POSTED BY tre2k4 ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM?
2) CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY UPDATE ON THE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT THAT NOBODY GAVE YOU?
3) WHAT THE FUCK DOES THE VIDEO HAVE TO DO WITH THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM?
4)
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I won't stop nigga, I won't!
For starters, you are distributing over like terms. Second, you are not admitting that this problem has, and is being interpreted in different ways because of the way it is written. So I am only explaining to you why different people, in different fields are on either side of this fence.
There is a reason why folks moved you from under that bell curve. It's 2 now, I'll be back this afternoon, to respond to whatever bullshit you have said after this.
I just went back. Did tre2k4 post this, and ether his own fuckin argument...
Wow.
Wow.
Glad to see you are alright. Folks been worrying about you.
But, as I expected, you still ain't answered no questions. Now you are saying that you did not read tre2k4's post, but you read enough of it to say that it was unrelated to the original problem.
You have single handedly displayed the worst case of blatant ignorance ever known to man. If I were you, I wouldn't mention nothing about that video.
Get out of here with that Mr. Cee shit gayblade.
I told you around 2 that I didn't want to insult you anymore. You kept on talking that bullshit and look where it got you. You have no idea how bad it is.
Keep on talkin that shit, it will only get worse.
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=579776
I'm out for the night but be back this afternoon to report back to your ocking.
I just went back. Did tre2k4 post this, and ether his own fuckin argument...
Wow.
More irony. Don't act like you are seeing it for the first time nigga. You've seen it already, but logic behind it you are understanding now because it has been pointed out for you.
Look where it got me? Get the fuck outta here dude. You're corny. You googling little silly pics and pandering for laughs doesn't affect me homes. Get a life.
No I didn't read it. I was too busy watching the game... After the game was over, I brought this equation to a diverse group of people. They all say the answer is 2... It seems tre2k4 agrees himself given that he posted the example followup put in her sig..
No I didn't read it. I was too busy watching the game... After the game was over, I brought this equation to a diverse group of people. They all say the answer is 2... It seems tre2k4 agrees himself given that he posted the example followup put in her sig..
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Yea. Thats what it is. It took someone pointing out the logic behind 3rd Grade math to get it.
Keep talkin that shit homes.
The explanation of Implied Multiplication and why it leads to confusion.
With these types of problems, the answer can go either way. No one has came to an agreement about the rules.
Its all conventions. Conventions a rules without explanation.
Implied Multiplication isnt applicable all the time
With these types of problems, the answer can go either way. No one has came to an agreement about the rules.
Its all conventions. Conventions a rules without explanation.
Implied Multiplication isnt applicable all the time
Just like I thought. You can't do it. Good try though. I'll be available to tutor you and all of your buddies tomorrow.For starters, you are distributing over like terms. Second, you are not admitting that this problem has, and is being interpreted in different ways because of the way it is written. So I am only explaining to you why different people, in different fields are on either side of this fence.
There is a reason why folks moved you from under that bell curve. It's 2 now, I'll be back this afternoon, to respond to whatever bullshit you have said after this.
Oh no!!!!! Mallorquin is gonna Google some funny pics and really show me who's boss.
Oh no!!!!! Mallorquin is gonna Google some funny pics and really show me who's boss.
Meaning the more shit you talk, the more dumb you look. I don't internet bang, if that's what you thought I meant.
So slap yourself and say some more shit, I guarantee you will sound more ignorant.
Can you justify that video again?
Can you explain how the examples are different from the original problem? Don't say you didn't read them.
Like I said, you won't answer.
Keep doing your hammer dance. You can focus on me all you want, that doesn't bother me.
Go get some more help from those kids.
Oh no!!!!! Mallorquin is gonna Google some funny pics and really show me who's boss.
Meaning the more shit you talk, the more dumb you look. I don't internet bang, if that's what you thought I meant.
So slap yourself and say some more shit, I guarantee you will sound more ignorant.
Can you justify that video again?
Can you explain how the examples are different from the original problem? Don't say you didn't read them.
Like I said, you won't answer.
Keep doing your hammer dance. You can focus on me all you want, that doesn't bother me.
Go get some more help from those kids.
The more you dance around the fact that you're wrong, the dumber you look. PM me your number. I'll try to get my little cousin to tutor your dumbass.
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