John Hanson, a black man, was the 1st president of the USA? (true or false)

[tuckdog]

You're just making shit up out of nowhere. Wikipedia (or any other biographical reference you wanna use) at least gives YOU and the other knuckleheads the basic facts about the person you're babbling nonsense about.

No YOU show ME old wise one. The OP started this thread as a question. You and a few other dick heads came running in here laughing, calling him ignorant, but didn't have any more credible info then he had. At least he (and I) expressed a curiosity on the subject, but you guys came in like experts on the subject. So without using Wikipedia, YOU prove to ME that your info is correct. If you can't, shut the fuck up.

 

[tuckdog]

how do you know what i have knowledge on?

youre reaching but youre still very uneducated in this subject and its shows

i dont speak on shit unless i know it homeboy

you dont know what i study or have studied

and its obvious my knowledge on the matter is superior to yours

fall back and use some fucking common sense first

then we can discuss this topic like men

You just said a whole bunch of nothing homeboy.

I admitted that I didn't have knowledge on the subject, in fact that was the whole point of my post homeboy.

At the same time you don't either, but pretend that you do homeboy.

If you have such great knowledge on the subject, post it homeboy.

If not, admit it, and we can all try and learn something like men, homeboy.

 

[Blunt]

No YOU show ME old wise one. The OP started this thread as a question.

No, he made a declarative statement that the John Hanson from the 1700s WAS a black man (never mind the first president). There's no evidence to suggest that either was true, and it's clear that the willful confusion stems from the existence of the black John Hanson of the 1800s. Pretty basic.

At least he (and I) expressed a curiosity on the subject, but you guys came in like experts on the subject. So without using Wikipedia, YOU prove to ME that your info is correct. If you can't, shut the fuck up.

There's no "curiousity." It's an obvious load of bullshit that defies the most basic logic and research.

 

[tuckdog]

No, he made a declarative statement that the John Hanson from the 1700s WAS a black man (never mind the first president).

Thread title:

John Hanson, a black man, was the 1st president of the USA? (true or false)

First line of the thread:

I know this has been discussed a million times but I wanted to get some clarity. Was the 1st president of the US a black man... a moor named John Hanson? Feel free to laugh, joke and clown but I want concrete data supporting the truth.

 

[alexw]

You just said a whole bunch of nothing homeboy.

I admitted that I didn't have knowledge on the subject, in fact that was the whole point of my post homeboy.

At the same time you don't either, but pretend that you do homeboy.

If you have such great knowledge on the subject, post it homeboy.

If not, admit it, and we can all try and learn something like men, homeboy.

ok man, let me kill this bullshit with one question

common sense should kick in and youll leave this dumb ass thread alone

what religion did the 100% of the moors of morocco practice?

got the answer?

ok now think about early america

use your head, playa

 

[Blunt]

Thread title:

John Hanson, a black man, was the 1st president of the USA? (true or false)

The 1700s John Hanson WASN'T a black man (nor the first president).

First line of the thread:

I know this has been discussed a million times but I wanted to get some clarity. Was the 1st president of the US a black man... a moor named John Hanson? Feel free to laugh, joke and clown but I want concrete data supporting the truth.

NO on every assumption!!! NOT a Moor (but the son of English immigrants). NOT the first president. NOT black.

 

[tuckdog]

ok man, let me kill this bullshit with one question

common sense should kick in and youll leave this dumb ass thread alone

what religion did the 100% of the moors of morocco practice?

got the answer?

ok now think about early america

use your head, playa

I know nothing of early america except what was taught to me in school history books. The same books that told me that George Washington never told a lie, Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves, The Native Americans and Pilgrims had dinner together and birthed thanksgiving, Columbus discovered America,....you get where I'm going here. So I don't believe anything without being presented with hard facts. I also don't believe anything taught to me by people who hate/fear me.

 

[tuckdog]

The OP started this thread as a question.

No, he made a declarative statement that the John Hanson from the 1700s WAS a black man (never mind the first president).

Thread title:

John Hanson, a black man, was the 1st president of the USA? (true or false)

First line of the thread:

I know this has been discussed a million times but I wanted to get some clarity. Was the 1st president of the US a black man... a moor named John Hanson? Feel free to laugh, joke and clown but I want concrete data supporting the truth.

When presented with hard facts, Blunt deflects...

The 1700s John Hanson WASN'T a black man (nor the first president).

NO on every assumption!!! NOT a Moor (but the son of English immigrants). NOT the first president. NOT black.

You are such a clown.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

same ole bgol shit... answering questions with questions, insults and the usual blunt trolling while digging up more info, coming up blank and doing more trolling.

 

[djswank]

Fuck the concrete data, use common sense and do a little Google/Wikipedia search of that time in history. A black man at that time wasn't considered "a man" by those in power. Either you were a slave, property like the cow in the meadow or the chair at the dining room table, of if you were a "free black" you still weren't consider part of the population count, you were considered a non-slave, and if you didn't have your head on a swivel, your ass might get caught out there by people who made a profit by bringing freed blacks back to the South. That line in the US Constitution that starts out as "WE THE PEOPLE..." only referred to WHITE MEN. They didn't consider their own women in the Constitution since they weren't allowed to vote. Remember, your early Presidents were also Slave Owners... don't get it twisted! With that said, I'm calling this story BULLSHIT! If you don't believe anything I've written here, look it up. This is the shit they should be teaching in Junior High School history class. This way y'all won't come up with shit like this. Don't let me have to get my teaching certificate and start teaching the truth to the youth!

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You internet researchers on here really make me laugh. If you got your facts from wikipedia or google then its probably full of shit. These sites use the undocumented facts given to them by people. This is why there is an update button included, so other people can correct information. I am a historian who holds two doctorates. I do research for major historical societies for a living. The John Hanson the OP referred to was a white congressman from Maryland. The black John Hanson didn't come into prominence until the 1850's when there was a growing popularity in the idea of sending African Americans back to Africa. That should end the confusion.
As for the treatment of "free" blacks during that time, your facts are wrong. There were several free black men who held office in local municipalities and were up standing citizens of their region. Most of these people lived in what was called the New England states (NY, Mass, Del, RI, Conn). Although there was also the chance that unscrupulous whites would steal free blacks away into slavery, every free black man was not considered "non-slave". Crispus Attucks, for example, was a free black and was well respected in his region. The night he was shot, he was in the local pub with other colonists drinking and socializing.
If you really want to know who was the first President of African descent, it would be Warren G. Harding. I posted this on this board a few years back. Warren's maternal grandmother was a mulatto women, the product of a white slave owner and and a slave girl. As a child, Warren recognized her as his grandmother and even had pictures of him sitting on her lap. When he first entered into politics, he still acknowledged her. Shortly after winning the white house, two reporters who had discovered his lineage asked about it in a press conference. Warren became outraged, vehemently denied it and banned these two reporters from further press conferences. In addition, the pictures of him and his grandmother vanished only to resurface about 15 years ago. Harding knew that disclosing his lineage would mean his political downfall. He never mentioned her again. The two reporters published a book about Harding lineage several years later. I've read the book. I'll see if I can find a copy and post some excerpts from it on here later.
BTW, the white John Hanson was the first "official" president of what would be called the United States. The articles of confederation called for the election of a president that would have very weak powers as most of the power went to the states. In spite of that, John Hanson was able to get a lot done. There were 8 presidents elected under the articles, each serving 1 year terms. George Washington was the first president elected under the constitution and is considered the first president for this reason. Remember, someone had to run the government during the revolutionary war and through the continental congresses. It would be disingenuous to believe no one ran the country until we came up with a constitution.

 

[tuckdog]

same ole bgol shit... answering questions with questions, insults and the usual blunt trolling while digging up more info, coming up blank and doing more trolling.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

You internet researchers on here really make me laugh. If you got your facts from wikipedia or google then its probably full of shit. These sites use the undocumented facts given to them by people. This is why there is an update button included, so other people can correct information. I am a historian who holds two doctorates. I do research for major historical societies for a living. The John Hanson the OP referred to was a white congressman from Maryland. The black John Hanson didn't come into prominence until the 1850's when there was a growing popularity in the idea of sending African Americans back to Africa. That should end the confusion.
As for the treatment of "free" blacks during that time, your facts are wrong. There were several free black men who held office in local municipalities and were up standing citizens of their region. Most of these people lived in what was called the New England states (NY, Mass, Del, RI, Conn). Although there was also the chance that unscrupulous whites would steal free blacks away into slavery, every free black man was not considered "non-slave". Crispus Attucks, for example, was a free black and was well respected in his region. The night he was shot, he was in the local pub with other colonists drinking and socializing.
If you really want to know who was the first President of African descent, it would be Warren G. Harding. I posted this on this board a few years back. Warren's maternal grandmother was a mulatto women, the product of a white slave owner and and a slave girl. As a child, Warren recognized her as his grandmother and even had pictures of him sitting on her lap. When he first entered into politics, he still acknowledged her. Shortly after winning the white house, two reporters who had discovered his lineage asked about it in a press conference. Warren became outraged, vehemently denied it and banned these two reporters from further press conferences. In addition, the pictures of him and his grandmother vanished only to resurface about 15 years ago. Harding knew that disclosing his lineage would mean his political downfall. He never mentioned her again. The two reporters published a book about Harding lineage several years later. I've read the book. I'll see if I can find a copy and post some excerpts from it on here later.

interesting.

is that picture of him sitting on her lap online?

 

[Blunt]

same ole bgol shit... answering questions with questions, insults and the usual blunt trolling while digging up more info, coming up blank and doing more trolling.

Very amusing attempt at a reversal. In fact, the subject of this thread is a prime example of "trolling." Just make some ridiculous shit up and then start defending it by attacking those who dare EXPOSE it for the obvious (and repeatedly debunked) nonsense that it is. The dumb leading the dumber.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

Very amusing attempt at a reversal. In fact, the subject of this thread is a prime example of "trolling." Just make some ridiculous shit up and then start defending it by attacking those who dare EXPOSE it for the obvious (and repeatedly debunked) nonsense that it is. The dumb leading the dumber.

See post #80. That's a good example of a brotha sharing some knowledge. That post = .

You don't possess knowledge, you just google shit with the purpose of trolling/ arguing.

The subject of this thread was to use this boards collective knowledge to get some clarity on a topic that I've been hearing/ reading bout for a long time. I made it pretty clear that I don't have the answers. You made it pretty clear that you don't either.

 

[bgque12]

Bro black masons have been discussing the John Hanson story long before the internet or picture of the black Hanson from Liberia ever played any part.

Im not saying they are right or wrong but im saying its my opinion that the black Hanson pic was thrown into the discussion to confuse people.

And it's theses same black masons that put the pic out there probably. You know white folks didn't do it.

 

[djswank]

interesting.

is that picture of him sitting on her lap online?

I don't believe so. I've never used the internet to do research. That doesn't mean you can't find the pics online today. Shit, just about everything else can be found online. Its just not reliable from a researchers standpoint. The pics I saw were from the original transcript the reporters wrote. I don't own a copy of the book and I believe it has long been out of print. I have to remember the gentleman's name who showed me the book and maybe I can get him to loan it to me.
BTW, I forgot to add that the reason these black men were accepted into society was because they were Moors. There is a lot of misinformation about the Moors circulating. Some people have them inventing just about everything. Thats untrue. However, evidence shows that the Moors were the first to use the number zero and created algebra. They also made great strides in medicine, music, and astrology. The Moors reached the Americas before anyone else according to data we now have and they were here when the Europeans got here. They had arrived almost 150 years prior. The so called "native Americans" were black people, not this red man whites have doctored up. I'm about to embark with the National Geographic society on a quest to research the prominence of the Moors in the Americas. I'll inform more as I research. Look up the Treaty of Peace and Friendship signed between the colonists and Moroccan government. This treaty is still in existence today and has to be renewed every 50 years.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

I don't believe so. I've never used the internet to do research. That doesn't mean you can't find the pics online today. Shit, just about everything else can be found online. Its just not reliable from a researchers standpoint. The pics I saw were from the original transcript the reporters wrote. I don't own a copy of the book and I believe it has long been out of print. I have to remember the gentleman's name who showed me the book and maybe I can get him to loan it to me.
BTW, I forgot to add that the reason these black men were accepted into society was because they were Moors. There is a lot of misinformation about the Moors circulating. Some people have them inventing just about everything. Thats untrue. However, evidence shows that the Moors were the first to use the number zero and created algebra. They also made great strides in medicine, music, and astrology. The Moors reached the Americas before anyone else according to data we now have and they were here when the Europeans got here. They had arrived almost 150 years prior. The so called "native Americans" were black people, not this red man whites have doctored up. I'm about to embark with the National Geographic society on a quest to research the prominence of the Moors in the Americas. I'll inform more as I research. Look up the Treaty of Peace and Friendship signed between the colonists and Moroccan government. This treaty is still in existence today and has to be renewed every 50 years.

Mannn most of us don't know anything about this. Thanks. Definitely looking forward to learning more on the subject.

 

[tuckdog]

BTW, I forgot to add that the reason these black men were accepted into society was because they were Moors. There is a lot of misinformation about the Moors circulating. Some people have them inventing just about everything. Thats untrue. However, evidence shows that the Moors were the first to use the number zero and created algebra. They also made great strides in medicine, music, and astrology. The Moors reached the Americas before anyone else according to data we now have and they were here when the Europeans got here. They had arrived almost 150 years prior. The so called "native Americans" were black people, not this red man whites have doctored up. I'm about to embark with the National Geographic society on a quest to research the prominence of the Moors in the Americas. I'll inform more as I research. Look up the Treaty of Peace and Friendship signed between the colonists and Moroccan government. This treaty is still in existence today and has to be renewed every 50 years.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1786t.asp

 

[Cock Head Jones]

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1786t.asp

good look.
bookmarked for when I get back to the crib.

 

[UltimateLurker]

Very amusing attempt at a reversal. In fact, the subject of this thread is a prime example of "trolling." Just make some ridiculous shit up and then start defending it by attacking those who dare EXPOSE it for the obvious (and repeatedly debunked) nonsense that it is. The dumb leading the dumber.

Now, STFU bitch....!​

 

[tuckdog]

.11.

If we shall be at War with any Christian Power and any of our Vessels sail from the Ports of the United States, no Vessel belonging to the enemy shall follow untill twenty four hours after the Departure of our Vessels; and the same Regulation shall be observed towards the American Vessels sailing from our Ports.-be their enemies Moors or Christians.

Taken from the article on Yale Law's website.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

Lil off topic but since it was brought up earlier in the thread.

Here's Info on Warren G. Harding and his black family.

I don't know much about this site but the piece basically just uses the books written on him, pictures and government docs to discuss his family ties.

For instance. The presidents cousins...

Warren's Third Cousins

Front Row: Minnie Norman, Emma (Harding) Norman

(My Grandmother) Addie Ceaser, and Lucinda Norman.

Back Row: L-R: William Henderson, John Norman

Interesting...

http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/warren_gamaliel_harding.htm

 

[alexw]

I don't believe so. I've never used the internet to do research. That doesn't mean you can't find the pics online today. Shit, just about everything else can be found online. Its just not reliable from a researchers standpoint. The pics I saw were from the original transcript the reporters wrote. I don't own a copy of the book and I believe it has long been out of print. I have to remember the gentleman's name who showed me the book and maybe I can get him to loan it to me.
BTW, I forgot to add that the reason these black men were accepted into society was because they were Moors. There is a lot of misinformation about the Moors circulating. Some people have them inventing just about everything. Thats untrue. However, evidence shows that the Moors were the first to use the number zero and created algebra. They also made great strides in medicine, music, and astrology. The Moors reached the Americas before anyone else according to data we now have and they were here when the Europeans got here. They had arrived almost 150 years prior. The so called "native Americans" were black people, not this red man whites have doctored up. I'm about to embark with the National Geographic society on a quest to research the prominence of the Moors in the Americas. I'll inform more as I research. Look up the Treaty of Peace and Friendship signed between the colonists and Moroccan government. This treaty is still in existence today and has to be renewed every 50 years.

black men were accepted in 18th century america, bruh?


and the moroccan moors of the 18th century were black, bruh?

I mean at least, wouldnt they share the last names of their kings???

 

[bgque12]

black men were accepted in 18th century america, bruh?


and the moroccan moors of the 18th century were black, bruh?

I'm finding that hard to believe too. #1 why would they voluntarily come to a country that they know enslaved black folks and not expect the same thing to happen to them? #2 Black folks would be killed if they were found out to be learning to read a lot of times. So why would white folks accept a bunch of educated black folks around them?

 

[tuckdog]

black men were accepted in 18th century america, bruh?


and the moroccan moors of the 18th century were black, bruh?

I mean at least, wouldnt they share the last names of their kings???

If some blacks weren't accepted, how do you explain Benjamin Banneker surveying the U.S. capitol and why exactly WAS Crispus Attucks allowed to kick it in the pub with the CACs right before he was murked? And Moroccan Moors were black in the 18th century as well as now. If they weren't, why has Othello ALWAYS been portrayed as a Black man and not an Arab?

 

[alexw]

I'm finding that hard to believe too. #1 why would they voluntarily come to a country that they know enslaved black folks and not expect the same thing to happen to them? #2 Black folks would be killed if they were found out to be learning to read a lot of times. So why would white folks accept a bunch of educated black folks around them?

man its so much misinformation in this thread its mind boggling

but people want to believe in their absurd beliefs so its a waste of time to school them

plus, anyone can claim to be a scholar/historian on the net

but from reading his shit, i seriously doubt it

i mean they made a claim about the 18th century moors thats just out there

that peace treaty had nothing to do with allowing moroccan blacks in

morocco was like the 3rd or 4th country to recognize us as a country

i need to google the shit, but its something like that

 

[alexw]

If some blacks weren't accepted, how do you explain Benjamin Banneker surveying the U.S. capitol and why exactly WAS Crispus Attucks allowed to kick it in the pub with the CACs right before he was murked? And Moroccan Moors were black in the 18th century as well as now. If they weren't, why has Othello ALWAYS been portrayed as a black man and not an Arab?

they were free americans born right here

they damn sure didnt let no fucking foreign black muslims walk around freely

hell washington own slaves during that time

get the fuck out of here with that shit

 

[Blunt]

There are NO (real or alleged) Moors in this discussion.

 

[bgque12]

If some blacks weren't accepted, how do you explain Benjamin Banneker surveying the U.S. capitol and why exactly WAS Crispus Attucks allowed to kick it in the pub with the CACs right before he was murked? And Moroccan Moors were black in the 18th century as well as now. If they weren't, why has Othello ALWAYS been portrayed as a Black man and not an Arab?

Most if not all of the educated slaves were educated by their master's and the work that they did was for their masters and they were not credited for what they did until well after the fact. BB came from an area of Maryland known as the Baltimore Hundred(my people are from there) it was well out of the mainstream and much more lax than the majority of slave holding areas.

 

[nimrod-x]

This is a simple one. There was no USA for a minute after the "Civil War". It was still a confederacy and the Mulatto named John Hanson "filled in" until George was Ushered in as the first Pres of the "Continental United States". The "Constitution" makes it clear that Southern Blacks were still considered property, and that the war did nothing for their Freedom. Remember Lincoln who owned slaves came along later and still had not freed blacks, contrary to popular belief.
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves either. Blacks were given freedoms years later. Tried to be "Colin" friendly.

 

[alexw]

And Moroccan Moors were black in the 18th century as well as now. If they weren't, why has Othello ALWAYS been portrayed as a Black man and not an Arab?

so a person can be black and an arab according to you?

 

[Blunt]

This is a simple one. There was no USA for a minute after the "Civil War". It was still a confederacy and the Mulatto named John Hanson "filled in" until George was Ushered in as the first Pres of the "Continental United States". The "Constitution" makes it clear that Southern Blacks were still considered property, and that the war did nothing for their Freedom. Remember Lincoln who owned slaves came along later and still had not freed blacks, contrary to popular belief.
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves either. Blacks were given freedoms years later. Tried to be "Colin" friendly.

You've got your centuries (and Hansons) confused.

 

[alexw]

This is a simple one. There was no USA for a minute after the "Civil War". It was still a confederacy and the Mulatto named John Hanson "filled in" until George was Ushered in as the first Pres of the "Continental United States". The "Constitution" makes it clear that Southern Blacks were still considered property, and that the war did nothing for their Freedom. Remember Lincoln who owned slaves came along later and still had not freed blacks, contrary to popular belief.
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves either. Blacks were given freedoms years later. Tried to be "Colin" friendly.

so after the union won the war somehow there wasnt no union, no government, no president?



man im done with this thread

the shit is embarrassing and its hurting my brain

 

[bgque12]

This is a simple one. There was no USA for a minute after the "Civil War". It was still a confederacy and the Mulatto named John Hanson "filled in" until George was Ushered in as the first Pres of the "Continental United States". The "Constitution" makes it clear that Southern Blacks were still considered property, and that the war did nothing for their Freedom. Remember Lincoln who owned slaves came along later and still had not freed blacks, contrary to popular belief.
The Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves either. Blacks were given freedoms years later. Tried to be "Colin" friendly.

 

[alexw]

regardless of what he means the shit is just out there, man

if it was the revolutionary war then where did the confederacy come from

if he means the civil war, damn did lincoln get shot early?

did he not have a vp

wtf?????????????