A Marvel Comics Black History Lesson Pt. 1

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A Marvel Black History Lesson Pt. 1
Beginning an exploration of the rich and complex evolution of the black character at Marvel, from Gabe Jones through Storm
Posted Feb 18, 2011 3:14 pm
Updated Feb 18, 2011 3:18 pm
By David Brothers

It isn't immediately obvious, but the evolution of black characters in the Marvel Universe has intersected with black history in real life off and on over the past 50 years. Sometimes Marvel's forward-looking approach to racial politics resulted in the company making history, and at other points, they simply ended up with the right book in the right place at the right time. Marvel's characters run the gamut from normal people to godlike super heroines, and their black characters reflect that diversity.

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Gabriel "Gabe" Jones isn't Marvel's first black character, but he's a good place to start. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created him in 1963 as a cast member in SGT. FURY AND HIS HOWLING COMMANDOS #1. Not content with creating one of—if not the very—first explicitly Jewish heroes in comics in Private Izzy Cohen, Lee and Kirby rewrote history when they introduced Private Jones. The U.S. military was not integrated until 1948, but Jones served alongside Nick Fury and his Commandos in World War II just the same. While the rest of the Commandos were shouting "WAH-HOOO!" to let the Nazis know they were coming, Jones blew on his trumpet and lead the way into battle.

While this doesn't seem like a big deal to those of us living in 2011, there are several reasons why the existence of Gabe Jones is notable. War comics have generally been enormously popular with kids; they glamorize the United States, present an easy to digest definition of heroism, and were often used to deliver simple, but sometimes necessary, life lessons. Heroes in war comics—Fury and his Commandos—included, were honorable men first and foremost. They lived by a strong moral code and treated everyone fairly, especially their enemies. By placing Jones on the team without any fanfare, Lee and Kirby were making a very clear statement: African Americans are just as normal and honorable as everyone else.

On top of that, on August 28, 1963, Doctor Martin Luther King led the March on Washington, which led to the Civil Rights Act. Doctor King's "I Have A Dream" speech and Gabe Jones both represent the same ideals: that all men, everywhere, are created equal, and that racial harmony is both natural and the future of mankind.

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In 1966, The Black Panther made his debut in the pages of FANTASTIC FOUR #52. He came just after a series of issues that helped make the Lee/Kirby run. FANTASTIC FOUR #48-50 told the first Galactus story, while #51 was "This Man, This Monster," one of the all-time best single issue stories ever. In #52, the First Family of Marvel took a vacation to Wakanda at the Panther's request. Rather than sunny beaches and palm trees, they find themselves in the middle of an ambush. The Panther surprises and beats his future allies before the timely intervention of Wyatt Wingfoot upsets his plans.

Whether it was luck or simply being in tune with the zeitgeist, Lee and Kirby created The Black Panther a few short months before Bobby Seale and Huey P. Newton founded the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense in Oakland. Marvel's Black Panther represented something that was rare in real life: an African country that avoided being colonized by European governments. Wakanda was self-sufficient, technologically advanced, and had been for centuries, serving as a symbol of African ingenuity and power. On top of that, the Panther's defeat of the Fantastic Four thanks to careful planning and Reed Richards's deep respect for his technological prowess showed that black heroes were just as capable as any other super hero.

The Panther went on to join the Avengers before eventually gaining a starring role in JUNGLE ACTION. Don McGregor, Rich Buckler, Gil Kane and Billy Graham created a genuinely epic story that took the character back to Wakanda. They dealt with what happens when a monarch leaves his country for an extended period of time, and over the course of the story, incorporated mature subject matter like the effect of violence on children, the ravages of war, and the disintegration of a marriage.

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One of the many things I love about The Black Panther is how he adds yet another piece to the complexity of the Marvel Universe,” says current BLACK PANTHER: THE MAN WITHOUT FEAR writer David Liss. “Unlike the other major black characters, BP is African, not African American, and this allows [him] to engage with unique issues, especially regarding American foreign policy. Like so many great Marvel heroes, he is both supremely competent and an alienated loner, but his ability to serve as a sounding board for colonial and post-colonial discourses makes him unique. I know that I, for one, love a character who raises some interesting and thought-provoking questions while, at the same time, kicking ass.”

“Since his introduction, T’Challa has always been an icon and a role model,” adds former BLACK PANTHER writer Jonathan Maberry. “He was ethical, he had values, he had nobility and dignity, he was brilliant, and he was a leader rather than a follower. Imagine the impact of all that on kids like me: white kids growing up in economically depressed neighborhoods, where bigotry was commonplace and racial intolerance was the primary lesson we learned at home. Suddenly there was a black character who wasn’t the white guy’s sidekick. He wasn’t any kind of second string—or worse—stereotype. He was equal to Reed Richards. T’Challa’s values were based on a worldview rather than an America-centric view, which was also something kids like me hadn’t really encountered.

“The kicker for me came with a guest appearance in FANTASTIC FOUR #119, in which T’Challa was arrested and imprisoned in a fictional country clearly based on South Africa. The Human Torch and The Thing came to help him break out. This was the first ‘apartheid’ story in comics, and it blew me away. There was a lot of subversive subtext in it, too. Consider, The Human Torch, though white, is ‘red’ when aflame. The Thing, also white, is brown—well, orange, but close enough—in his rock form. What we have here, subtly mixed into the story, are white men, red men, and various shades of brown men working together to showcase the foolishness and backward cruelty of apartheid.

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"The image that was burned into my young mind was the panel that showed their feet as they walk through the rubble of the prison wall, and the placards indicating separate entries for ‘Whites’ and ‘Coloreds’ being crushed underfoot. It’s no joke to say that T’Challa and the stories written about him in the 60’s helped open my eyes and my mind to the positive power of diversity and the destructive stupidity of prejudice.”

Joseph "Robbie" Robertson first appeared in 1967's AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #51 as a minor background character, but over the next few decades, he grew into an invaluable member of Spider-Man's supporting cast. Something that was lacking in young Peter Parker's life was a living father figure. While Uncle Ben had a tremendous effect on Spider-Man's development, he didn't truly have a man he could speak to and fully trust.

J. Jonah Jameson was wise and an experienced newsman, but his vendetta against Spider-Man and general curmudgeonly nature made him hard to approach. Captain Stacy came close to being what Parker needed, but he died early in their relationship. Others, like Curt Connors or Miles Warren, came with their own pitfalls. Norman Osborn, of all people, had the potential to be a solid father figure, but quickly evolved into Spider-Man's worst enemy, and we all know where that story went.

Robbie filled the niche with aplomb. He's a kind man, more than willing to share his life experiences when necessary, and always up to assist Spider-Man when he needs it. While it hasn't ever been outright stated, there is definitely the implication that Robbie knows that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. The fact that he has kept Peter's secret all these years speaks volumes of his character.

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“What I liked about Robbie [as a reader] was he was one of the few adults in the book that Pete could confide in—in fact if you look back, he’s one of the few sane people in the book,” observes AMAZING SPIDER-MAN editor Steve Wacker. “With his vest, rolled up sleeves and loosened tie, I always got the impression that this was a real newspaper guy who somehow stumbled into the comic. He remains a perfect foil to Jonah’s never ending histrionics and a reminder that the Bugle was—and is—a pretty solid news organization, despite its hatred for Spidey.”

In 1969, Stan Lee and Gene Colan created Sam "The Falcon" Wilson for CAPTAIN AMERICA #117. Sam Wilson was a normal man before The Red Skull used the Cosmic Cube to attempt to give him the ability to speak to Redwing, his falcon. After acquiring a flying harness and befriending Captain America, Falcon joined the Marvel Universe, and soon the Avengers. His connection with Redwing was soon expanded to be a mental link to any type of bird, giving him access to an unparalleled network of eyes for reconnaissance. After all, who notices the hundreds of thousands of birds that live and fly through every city?

Jack Kirby took control of the character in the mid-70’s and created a landmark run in the pages of CAPTAIN AMERICA. The cover title was styled “Captain America & The Falcon,” giving the Falcon equal billing with the Sentinel of Liberty, and Kirby's story lived up to that billing in a beautiful way.

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Kirby's approach was a breath of fresh air. There was no real reason for either man to be subordinate to the other, as each had his own skills and areas of expertise. Rather than having a student/teacher or hero/sidekick relationship, Cap and Falcon were best friends who lived, ate, and fought together on an equal footing. They told each other what to do, they argued, and eventually, they agreed with each other. They were friends first, and that was a more than welcome change from how many other black super heroes were portrayed in the comics industry at the time. Some black characters were different versions of other heroes, rather than being their own man, while others were relegated to sidekick status.

“The Falcon was the very first African-America super hero, as opposed to The Black Panther, who preceded him, but wasn't American,” notes Marvel Senior Vice President of Publishing Tom Brevoort. “In a time when the struggle for civil rights was very much at the forefront of the American dialogue, The Falcon brought some of those issues concerning the black experience onto the comic book page for the very first time. He was so popular that he rapidly became a co-headliner on the series. Not just a reflection of Cap, The Falcon was his own man, and steadily expanded on and improved his arsenal of weaponry and powers, aided by characters such as The Black Panther, who developed the Falcon's wings.

“The Falcon was also the first super hero of color to get his own action figure back in the 1970’s, reflecting his importance to the times.” Brevoort continues. “In recent years, The Falcon has reversed his traditional role, taking on a position as mentor and older brother to James Barnes, the current Captain America, in the same manner in which Steve Rogers once mentored him.”

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After The Falcon came Luke Cage, the first black super hero to star in his own ongoing title, thanks to Archie Goodwin and John Romita Sr. On the surface, HERO FOR HIRE #1 introduced a character who was an attempt to tie in to the “blaxploitation” craze that was beginning to sweep Hollywood. Cage was an ex-con, wrongly convicted, who escaped prison and came back to Harlem to clear his name and make some money. He spoke with a funky type of jive, worked in the ghetto, and was a little edgier than a lot of other heroes.

While the blaxploitation angle may have been Cage's genesis, the execution gave him a style all his own. Cage is a hustler, in the best possible sense of the word. After acquiring powers and returning home, he realized that he needed funds. A chance encounter convinced him to use his powers to solve the money problem. He took on the trappings of a super hero—the costume, and later a codename—so that he could market himself appropriately. His trademark yellow shirt and silver tiara were things he picked out because they were the most like a costume. He knew his target audience and just what he had to do to get their attention. He's aware of exactly who he is and what he needs to do.

"Street smarts" is something that's difficult to convey in comics. In Cage's case, "street smarts" represent a different, but no less useful, type of intelligence from something like Tony Stark's advanced robotics knowledge or Reed Richards's general super-brain. He knows how to get around in life and accomplish what he needs, and more than that, he knows how to do it well.

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Cage's origin story involves experiments on prisoners as part of what has since been revealed to be the Super Soldier Project. This provides a light and slightly eerie parallel to the Tuskegee Experiment, which began in 1932 and ended in 1972. This tremendously unethical experiment involved almost 400 poor black men whose disease was left intentionally untreated. The men were given free medical exams, but misled as to the nature of their sickness. This went on even after a cure was found. Cage's story provides an unintentional counterpoint to past injustices, and represents a triumph over adversity.

On top of that, with the introduction of POWER MAN & IRON FIST in 1978, a team-up comic where Luke Cage's blaxploitation and Iron Fist's kung fu collide, Marvel managed to tap into pop culture to great effect once more. Blaxploitation films proved popular with black audiences, but so did kung-fu movies. The poorly translated movies featured uplifting tales of brotherhood, underdogs prevailing against various versions of “The Man,” and secret strength being found in humble packages. While these are values of universal appeal, it's easy to see why they might hold special resonance with black audiences.

1975's AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #140 introduced Glory Grant to the Marvel Universe, and she soon became another classic member of the cast. Glory went from being a friendly neighbor to a good friend before ending up as J. Jonah Jameson's secretary. Jameson, despite his traditionally grumpy demeanor, took a liking to Glory, which may be a milestone in and of itself. Grant has popped up several times in the recent past, always as stylish and cheery as her first appearance.

MARVEL PREMIERE #20, released the same month as Glory's debut, was the first true appearance of Misty Knight, co-founder of Knightwing Restorations with her best friend Colleen Wing and current organizer of the Heroes for Hire network. When you consider her prominent afro and her no-nonsense demeanor, it's easy to see the similarities to the roles Pam Grier played in movies like “Coffy” and “Foxy Brown.” Misty was smart, stylish, sexy, and more than willing to get her hands dirty to get the job done, just like Grier's characters.

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“Misty was originally a character created off the back of commercial movie trends in the 70’s, so it’s great to see that she has become one of those really rounded, complete characters in the Marvel Universe,” note Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning, the current co-writers of HEROES FOR HIRE, in which Misty stars. “Like Rick Jones, she has real personality and is absolutely woven into the fabric of Marvel continuity. It’s very human characters like Misty that sustain the Marvel Universe as a backdrop for the mega stars like Captain America and Thor and Spider-Man.”

GIANT-SIZE X-MEN #1 introduced the third new black woman of 1975: Ororo Munroe, better known as Storm. If Gabe Jones stood for reality, Black Panther for ingenuity, Robbie Robertson for integrity, The Falcon for equality, Luke Cage for self-awareness, and Misty Knight for unadulterated cool, Storm was the combination of all of their traits and more. She was the daughter of a Kenyan princess and a photojournalist from Harlem, and therefore a direct link from African Americans and the continent known as "the Motherland." She was powerful on a world-class level, refused to allow anyone to be her master, and commanded a massive amount of respect from all who knew her.

Five years after her first appearance, Storm became leader of the X-Men after besting Cyclops in combat, a monumental feat for a black character, and doubly so for a black female character. The X-Men are the big-time, as far as super hero teams go, and having a black woman leading the group into battle was a big deal. Over the course of her career, Storm has consistently risen in stature, becoming one of the best-loved characters in Marvel's stable.

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“Besides being arguably Marvel’s most prominent female hero, Storm is also one of its most versatile characters,” states Daniel Ketchum, editor of the 2008-2009 X-MEN: WORLDS APART limited series, which starred Storm. “Over the course of her history, she’s been a thief, a goddess, leader of the X-Men and Queen of an African nation. As such, she creates unique avenues for stories in any title in which she appears. This, coupled with her formidable presence and visually-explosive powers, makes Storm an indispensible asset to the X-Men franchise and the Marvel Universe at large.”

Storm represented a shift in how black characters in comics were portrayed. Companies and readers had clearly become more comfortable with embracing black characters, whether as supporting cast members or headliners. The spectrum of black characters created between 1963 and 1975 speaks volumes. From unpowered normal heroes to supporting cast members to super heroes and, finally, eventual leaders, Marvel rapidly and wholeheartedly embraced the values spoken of in Doctor Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have A Dream" speech. There was nowhere to go but up, and the next 40 years proved that.

Our Black History Month retrospective continues next week as we move into the 1980’s and beyond
 
DC has great story lines but are lacking in the roles of black superheros!!!
:smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:

ive never thought bout that but it's true all there really is Jon Stewart as Green Lantern but he's not consider the most famous one
and Static Shock
im sure there's more but there all that come 2 mind
 
ive never thought bout that but it's true all there really is Jon Stewart as Green Lantern but he's not consider the most famous one
and Static Shock
im sure there's more but there all that come 2 mind

Sad to say the only other one that comes to mind is Cyborg and BLACK Lighting!! (Still have to give a charter the black lable that identifies him as black!!!)
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DC has great story lines but are lacking in the roles of black superheros!!!
:smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:

I disagree...

I think historically they had more African Americans from Grave Digger to Black Mantis, to Black Mantis, Legion of Superheroes, to Milestone comic line, John Stewart, etc.

I think if you compared the Marvels Whos Who vs. DC's Whos Who guides back in the day that DC would have much more prominant ethnic charcters or at least more of them (counting alternate earth versions of heroes...
 
I disagree...

I think historically they had more African Americans from Grave Digger to Black Mantis, to Black Mantis, Legion of Superheroes, to Milestone comic line, John Stewart, etc.

I think if you compared the Marvels Whos Who vs. DC's Whos Who guides back in the day that DC would have much more prominant ethnic charcters or at least more of them (counting alternate earth versions of heroes...

maybe we should compare 2 find out who :yes:
 
No colin alert needed. If they don't want to read about anything related to black history then they can fuck off anyway.
 
DC has great story lines but are lacking in the roles of black superheros!!!
:smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:

I remember i had this issue of Teen Titans that delt with Racism and they were Doggin the hell out of MAL DUNCAN in that issue.

I remember some of the Titans was going to get a drink and told MAL "sorry dude, no coloreds allowed, see check you later"...

Who needs friends like that. :angry:
 
I disagree...

I think historically they had more African Americans from Grave Digger to Black Mantis, to Black Mantis, Legion of Superheroes, to Milestone comic line, John Stewart, etc.

I think if you compared the Marvels Whos Who vs. DC's Whos Who guides back in the day that DC would have much more prominant ethnic charcters or at least more of them (counting alternate earth versions of heroes...

I'm looking at major charters not one who you see in the backround or has a few lines in a few pannels or better yet how many Black DC charters have had their own book!?!?!?!
You can't count Milestone....Milestone was a great indy comic till DC brought them out and shelf them for life!!!!! :hmm:
 
I remember i had this issue of Teen Titans that delt with Racism and they were Doggin the hell out of MAL DUNCAN in that issue.

I remember some of the Titans was going to get a drink and told MAL "sorry dude, no coloreds allowed, see check you later"...

Who needs friends like that. :angry:

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I'm looking at major charters not one who you see in the backround or has a few lines in a few pannels or better yet how many Black DC charters have had their own book!?!?!?!
You can't count Milestone....Milestone was a great indy comic till DC brought them out and shelf them for life!!!!! :hmm:

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Black Lightning
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Bronze Tiger
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Cyborg
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Firestorm
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Gravedigger

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Green Lantern
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Houngan
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Steel (John Henry Irons)
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Vixen
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DC has great story lines but are lacking in the roles of black superheros!!!
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I MAY BE WRONG...

Black History Month 14: The Sambo Samba

February 14th, 2008 by david brothers

http://www.4thletter.net/2008/02/black-history-month-14-the-sambo-samba/

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This is besides the issue that some white comic creators create bland African-American characters.

Where is the African-American Guy Gardner? Where is the African-American Batman? Where is the African-American Joker? Booster Gold/Ted Kord Blue Beetle? Oracle? Wolverine? Spider-Man?

DC’s African American characters are either created to be the only person of color on a team (JSA, JLA, Teen Titans, Green Lantern Corps), or by editorial fiat to fill a diversity need (Firestorm).
–Valerie D’orazio, Three From WWII: The Twelve #2, JSA #12, Project Superpowers #0

When I was born, I was black. When I grow up, I’m black. When I’m ill, When I die, I’m black. But you – When you’re born, you’re pink. When you grow up, you’re white. When you’re ill, you’re green. When you go out in the sun, you go red. When you’re cold, you go blue. When you die, you’re purple. And you have the nerve to call me Colored?
–Malcolm X

I’ve got a habit of getting into arguments on the internet regarding race. I can’t help it, man, someone says something dumb and I feel compelled to respond. Next thing I know, it’s a week later and I’m waking up in a ditch.

Anyway, this post is about something that bugs me to death. I’m sick of hearing the word “token.” I don’t mean that I’m sick of “token” black characters.

I’m sick of people using it to describe black characters.

Token, quota hire, affirmative action case, all these words have the same root and work to the same point– the black person did not work for his position, he is less qualified, and he should not be where he is because he doesn’t deserve it. He’s only there because it’s politically correct, or editorially mandated, or because the team has to have a black character, doesn’t it?

Protip: Shut up. All you’re doing is reinforcing those ideas. Having one black guy on a team does not a token make. An editorial creation is just as valid as one from talent. It’s in the execution.

I’m gonna be honest and say that Val’s post up top there is what prompted this one. I had one all lined up about Deb Tiegel from Hitman (the best half german/half black character in comics), but I’m pushing it off for a day so that I can get this done.

In her post, she reviewed JSA #12 and said this:

The sequence with John Irons was also in need of some editing/quality control; John’s opening dialog with his wife sounded like pure exposition devoid of any human quality.

John Henry Irons is not in JSA #12. That is Jefferson Pierce, a black man with no facial hair and a wife and a grip of kids apparently (welcome to NEW EARTH). Irons is single, has a goatee, no wife, and no kids. He’s got a niece, though she’s already an established heroine in her own right.

When called on it, she said this:

I think the problem is that Johns wants to make the JSA the catch-all group that every other DC team is rolled into/connected with. Actually having Irons & the Infinity Inc cast make an appearance would make sense to me, as the two titles were historically linked to each other. But to bring not only JLA but Batman and the Outsiders…you need to have a realllly skilled hand to work within such a scope. I’m thinking a little past Johns and more like Busiek.

I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She didn’t confuse the two. It’s just that the book would have been better with John Irons, right? ’cause he is in a book with a cast of all new characters who don’t actually have a connection to the JSA. Also Geoff Johns is a bad writer and Kurt Busiek would write this story better.

Okay.

The conversation continues and we get the gem above about bland black characters created by white dudes, and how we need the black Spider-Man, Wolverine, Joker, and so on.

The bland thing stuck in my craw. What is that about? White people can’t create interesting black people? This means that DC’s blacks all suck? Editorially created characters are bad? Yeah, sorry– no. Not the business. She closed the thread when Pedro from FBB asked her questions, which meant she didn’t get to answer any of mine.

However, I have a blog of my own and I just did my taxes tonight so I’m in a raw mood so I decided to do this post. Pedro responded to her earlier, but that kid is just trying to get some e-cred so don’t read his blog at all. He definitely doesn’t make any good points about re-appropriating characters, writers of a different race writing characters, and comics quality.

Let’s go down the list.

John Henry Irons (TV’s Not Jefferson Pierce): He’s about as editorially mandated as it gets, isn’t he? He started out as the only one of the four replacement Superman to not claim to be Superman. He was carrying on in his name because it was the right thing to do. He graduated to being one of Superman’s best friends, an integral member of the JLA, buddies with Plastic Man, and one of the foremost thinkers in the DCU. Here’s his blandest moment:


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Did I say blandest? I lied. Dude has not only fooled an enemy who has taken over a decent portion of a city, but he has picked up on a plan from a teammate with little prompting, and come up with a way to take out that enemy.

DC’s African American characters are either created to be the only person of color on a team (JSA, JLA, Teen Titans, Green Lantern Corps), or by editorial fiat to fill a diversity need (Firestorm).

Blow by blow:

JSA: Jakeem Thunder is a member, and I guess Amazing Man is now, too. Jakeem is a kid with a magical wishing genie who didn’t have the benefit of a Bruce Wayne or Hal Jordan upbringing. He’s got an attitude, a rough edge or three, but he’s also trying to do right. That’s bland?

Mr. Terrific is a guy so smart that Batman copied some of his designs and regularly treats as an equal. He’s apparently the third smartest man on earth, too. Having trouble seeing the bland here.

Teen Titans: Ain’t no black people on this team.

JLA: I already went over Steel. John Stewart and Vixen are I guess who she was referring to? John Stewart is an equal GL with Hal, Guy, and Kyle. He’s portrayed as the most level-headed and may even have more willpower than his buddies according to a scene in GL where his willpower is too much for his ring in GL last month (month before last?). A guy with a wishing ring and that kind of skill? That’s pretty interesting, innit?

Vixen? She’s a question mark right now. Meltzer’s slipshod plotting left the story of what’s going on with her powers to Dwayne McDuffie, but suddenly she can duplicate the powers and skills of any superhuman she’s nearby. She can fake a Green Lantern ring. That’s a big deal, isn’t it?

Finally, Firestorm.

Poor, beleaguered Jason Rusch. First he’s seen as a ghetto-bound drug-dealing quota case and now he’s bland. Except… he’s a college-age kid who may be the most powerful metahuman on the planet. He’s got father issues, he’s inexperienced, he lost his best friend because of his powers, and now he’s searching for the mentor to the old Firestorm so that he can better learn how to take care of himself. He’s Spider-Man meets Phoenix.


Yeah. I’m not seeing the bland, boring, editorially-mandated black characters here. All of these people have been blessed with quality writers lately. Even before the past year or so, these characters never sunk to “token” status beyond what mouthbreathers on message boards had to say.

I’m not even a DC encyclopedia. I barely even like most DC books. I’ve read enough to know a little bit, though. I’m not talking out the side of my neck here. You can look all this up with a minimum of time on Google or in a comic shop.

This isn’t the first time I’ve had this issue with somebody. Around a year ago, I got into an argument with a different blogger. I’d link it, but she’s since updated her layout and that hosed the 140 comments across two posts where the relevant part of the conversation was.

Long story short, she came out with the line that “all black characters are mandingos and cannot be rescued from their horrible origins.”

I wish that comments thread was still there so, so bad. You don’t even know.

Her reasoning is terrible and horrible in a few ways. First, it supports the idea that you can’t reclaim or improve something. Going by her logic, I got some family members who’re gonna be hoodlums their whole life and are going to be worthless because of that fact. You go to jail and come out a different man? Who cares, dog, you’re still a criminal.

Get outta here with that. You’re gonna look at Bendis’s Luke Cage and tell me he isn’t an improvement, in terms of realistic representation and suchlike, than the one from the ’70s? Falcon is always gonna be a sambo? Bishop is just there to make white women scared? *smh*

When you get down to calling black characters bland, mandingos, tokens, or whatever, and you aren’t naming names? You’re doing wrong. You’re painting a whole bunch of characters with an ugly, ugly brush.

I’m having trouble coming up with some tokens who still appear in comics. Triathlon, I guess? I’ve read like half a comic with him in it, so I don’t even know there. Honestly, who are some “token” characters?

You think that there are “some bland/token/boring/racist black characters?” Call out names. Otherwise, some of us get to play “Guess who” while the rest of us are just going “I knew that Luke Cage was a token! What’s he doing on the Avengers anyway?”

Leave the subliminals at home and call out names. Be specific and know what you’re talking about because someone (probably me, at this rate) will call you on it. At worst, you might learn how he isn’t a token. At best, you might gain a new appreciation for a character you never paid attention to.

Stop looking at them as “black characters.” Treat them like characters instead of pieces in your “This Is How Superteams Should Look” puzzle set.

Superman isn’t a white character, why is Steel a black character? Why is Priest painted as a “black writer” instead of a “writer?”

But just know that when you’re calling someone a token, you’re denigrating their skills, their past, and their accomplishments. You’re treating that character as inherently lesser than his teammates, due solely to preconceived notions and the make-up of his team.


Be specific or don’t speak up at all.
 
I MAY BE WRONG...

Black History Month 14: The Sambo Samba

February 14th, 2008 by david brothers

http://www.4thletter.net/2008/02/black-history-month-14-the-sambo-samba/

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This is besides the issue that some white comic creators create bland African-American characters.

Where is the African-American Guy Gardner? Where is the African-American Batman? Where is the African-American Joker? Booster Gold/Ted Kord Blue Beetle? Oracle? Wolverine? Spider-Man?

DC’s African American characters are either created to be the only person of color on a team (JSA, JLA, Teen Titans, Green Lantern Corps), or by editorial fiat to fill a diversity need (Firestorm).
–Valerie D’orazio, Three From WWII: The Twelve #2, JSA #12, Project Superpowers #0

When I was born, I was black. When I grow up, I’m black. When I’m ill, When I die, I’m black. But you – When you’re born, you’re pink. When you grow up, you’re white. When you’re ill, you’re green. When you go out in the sun, you go red. When you’re cold, you go blue. When you die, you’re purple. And you have the nerve to call me Colored?
–Malcolm X

I’ve got a habit of getting into arguments on the internet regarding race. I can’t help it, man, someone says something dumb and I feel compelled to respond. Next thing I know, it’s a week later and I’m waking up in a ditch.

Anyway, this post is about something that bugs me to death. I’m sick of hearing the word “token.” I don’t mean that I’m sick of “token” black characters.

I’m sick of people using it to describe black characters.

Token, quota hire, affirmative action case, all these words have the same root and work to the same point– the black person did not work for his position, he is less qualified, and he should not be where he is because he doesn’t deserve it. He’s only there because it’s politically correct, or editorially mandated, or because the team has to have a black character, doesn’t it?

Protip: Shut up. All you’re doing is reinforcing those ideas. Having one black guy on a team does not a token make. An editorial creation is just as valid as one from talent. It’s in the execution.

I’m gonna be honest and say that Val’s post up top there is what prompted this one. I had one all lined up about Deb Tiegel from Hitman (the best half german/half black character in comics), but I’m pushing it off for a day so that I can get this done.

In her post, she reviewed JSA #12 and said this:

The sequence with John Irons was also in need of some editing/quality control; John’s opening dialog with his wife sounded like pure exposition devoid of any human quality.

John Henry Irons is not in JSA #12. That is Jefferson Pierce, a black man with no facial hair and a wife and a grip of kids apparently (welcome to NEW EARTH). Irons is single, has a goatee, no wife, and no kids. He’s got a niece, though she’s already an established heroine in her own right.

When called on it, she said this:

I think the problem is that Johns wants to make the JSA the catch-all group that every other DC team is rolled into/connected with. Actually having Irons & the Infinity Inc cast make an appearance would make sense to me, as the two titles were historically linked to each other. But to bring not only JLA but Batman and the Outsiders…you need to have a realllly skilled hand to work within such a scope. I’m thinking a little past Johns and more like Busiek.

I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She didn’t confuse the two. It’s just that the book would have been better with John Irons, right? ’cause he is in a book with a cast of all new characters who don’t actually have a connection to the JSA. Also Geoff Johns is a bad writer and Kurt Busiek would write this story better.

Okay.

The conversation continues and we get the gem above about bland black characters created by white dudes, and how we need the black Spider-Man, Wolverine, Joker, and so on.

The bland thing stuck in my craw. What is that about? White people can’t create interesting black people? This means that DC’s blacks all suck? Editorially created characters are bad? Yeah, sorry– no. Not the business. She closed the thread when Pedro from FBB asked her questions, which meant she didn’t get to answer any of mine.

However, I have a blog of my own and I just did my taxes tonight so I’m in a raw mood so I decided to do this post. Pedro responded to her earlier, but that kid is just trying to get some e-cred so don’t read his blog at all. He definitely doesn’t make any good points about re-appropriating characters, writers of a different race writing characters, and comics quality.

Let’s go down the list.

John Henry Irons (TV’s Not Jefferson Pierce): He’s about as editorially mandated as it gets, isn’t he? He started out as the only one of the four replacement Superman to not claim to be Superman. He was carrying on in his name because it was the right thing to do. He graduated to being one of Superman’s best friends, an integral member of the JLA, buddies with Plastic Man, and one of the foremost thinkers in the DCU. Here’s his blandest moment:


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Did I say blandest? I lied. Dude has not only fooled an enemy who has taken over a decent portion of a city, but he has picked up on a plan from a teammate with little prompting, and come up with a way to take out that enemy.

DC’s African American characters are either created to be the only person of color on a team (JSA, JLA, Teen Titans, Green Lantern Corps), or by editorial fiat to fill a diversity need (Firestorm).

Blow by blow:

JSA: Jakeem Thunder is a member, and I guess Amazing Man is now, too. Jakeem is a kid with a magical wishing genie who didn’t have the benefit of a Bruce Wayne or Hal Jordan upbringing. He’s got an attitude, a rough edge or three, but he’s also trying to do right. That’s bland?

Mr. Terrific is a guy so smart that Batman copied some of his designs and regularly treats as an equal. He’s apparently the third smartest man on earth, too. Having trouble seeing the bland here.

Teen Titans: Ain’t no black people on this team.

JLA: I already went over Steel. John Stewart and Vixen are I guess who she was referring to? John Stewart is an equal GL with Hal, Guy, and Kyle. He’s portrayed as the most level-headed and may even have more willpower than his buddies according to a scene in GL where his willpower is too much for his ring in GL last month (month before last?). A guy with a wishing ring and that kind of skill? That’s pretty interesting, innit?

Vixen? She’s a question mark right now. Meltzer’s slipshod plotting left the story of what’s going on with her powers to Dwayne McDuffie, but suddenly she can duplicate the powers and skills of any superhuman she’s nearby. She can fake a Green Lantern ring. That’s a big deal, isn’t it?

Finally, Firestorm.

Poor, beleaguered Jason Rusch. First he’s seen as a ghetto-bound drug-dealing quota case and now he’s bland. Except… he’s a college-age kid who may be the most powerful metahuman on the planet. He’s got father issues, he’s inexperienced, he lost his best friend because of his powers, and now he’s searching for the mentor to the old Firestorm so that he can better learn how to take care of himself. He’s Spider-Man meets Phoenix.


Yeah. I’m not seeing the bland, boring, editorially-mandated black characters here. All of these people have been blessed with quality writers lately. Even before the past year or so, these characters never sunk to “token” status beyond what mouthbreathers on message boards had to say.

I’m not even a DC encyclopedia. I barely even like most DC books. I’ve read enough to know a little bit, though. I’m not talking out the side of my neck here. You can look all this up with a minimum of time on Google or in a comic shop.

This isn’t the first time I’ve had this issue with somebody. Around a year ago, I got into an argument with a different blogger. I’d link it, but she’s since updated her layout and that hosed the 140 comments across two posts where the relevant part of the conversation was.

Long story short, she came out with the line that “all black characters are mandingos and cannot be rescued from their horrible origins.”

I wish that comments thread was still there so, so bad. You don’t even know.

Her reasoning is terrible and horrible in a few ways. First, it supports the idea that you can’t reclaim or improve something. Going by her logic, I got some family members who’re gonna be hoodlums their whole life and are going to be worthless because of that fact. You go to jail and come out a different man? Who cares, dog, you’re still a criminal.

Get outta here with that. You’re gonna look at Bendis’s Luke Cage and tell me he isn’t an improvement, in terms of realistic representation and suchlike, than the one from the ’70s? Falcon is always gonna be a sambo? Bishop is just there to make white women scared? *smh*

When you get down to calling black characters bland, mandingos, tokens, or whatever, and you aren’t naming names? You’re doing wrong. You’re painting a whole bunch of characters with an ugly, ugly brush.

I’m having trouble coming up with some tokens who still appear in comics. Triathlon, I guess? I’ve read like half a comic with him in it, so I don’t even know there. Honestly, who are some “token” characters?

You think that there are “some bland/token/boring/racist black characters?” Call out names. Otherwise, some of us get to play “Guess who” while the rest of us are just going “I knew that Luke Cage was a token! What’s he doing on the Avengers anyway?”

Leave the subliminals at home and call out names. Be specific and know what you’re talking about because someone (probably me, at this rate) will call you on it. At worst, you might learn how he isn’t a token. At best, you might gain a new appreciation for a character you never paid attention to.

Stop looking at them as “black characters.” Treat them like characters instead of pieces in your “This Is How Superteams Should Look” puzzle set.

Superman isn’t a white character, why is Steel a black character? Why is Priest painted as a “black writer” instead of a “writer?”

But just know that when you’re calling someone a token, you’re denigrating their skills, their past, and their accomplishments. You’re treating that character as inherently lesser than his teammates, due solely to preconceived notions and the make-up of his team.


Be specific or don’t speak up at all.

good read
 
Very interesting. Marvel has always been more forward thinking on DC but DC has made big strides in recent years but they still need improvement. Not that Marvel is/was perfect but they're ahead of their Distinguished Competition.
As embarassing as Luke Cage could be at time, he was a star of his own book and was never a sidekick and when he got a partner, it was the White dude who came off as the sidekick (even though he wasn't).
They gave Vixen a very short run as a main member of the JLA and a few issues as leader. Storm and Captain Marvel II (Monica Lambeau) were leaders of the X-Men and Avengers decades ago.
 
interesting. I'm was never big on comics but this makes me want to read these characters stories. Is there any way to get these series online?
 
I MAY BE WRONG...

Black History Month 14: The Sambo Samba

February 14th, 2008 by david brothers

http://www.4thletter.net/2008/02/black-history-month-14-the-sambo-samba/

jr_change.thumbnail.jpg


firestorm.thumbnail.jpg


This is besides the issue that some white comic creators create bland African-American characters.

Where is the African-American Guy Gardner? Where is the African-American Batman? Where is the African-American Joker? Booster Gold/Ted Kord Blue Beetle? Oracle? Wolverine? Spider-Man?

DC’s African American characters are either created to be the only person of color on a team (JSA, JLA, Teen Titans, Green Lantern Corps), or by editorial fiat to fill a diversity need (Firestorm).
–Valerie D’orazio, Three From WWII: The Twelve #2, JSA #12, Project Superpowers #0

When I was born, I was black. When I grow up, I’m black. When I’m ill, When I die, I’m black. But you – When you’re born, you’re pink. When you grow up, you’re white. When you’re ill, you’re green. When you go out in the sun, you go red. When you’re cold, you go blue. When you die, you’re purple. And you have the nerve to call me Colored?
–Malcolm X

I’ve got a habit of getting into arguments on the internet regarding race. I can’t help it, man, someone says something dumb and I feel compelled to respond. Next thing I know, it’s a week later and I’m waking up in a ditch.

Anyway, this post is about something that bugs me to death. I’m sick of hearing the word “token.” I don’t mean that I’m sick of “token” black characters.

I’m sick of people using it to describe black characters.

Token, quota hire, affirmative action case, all these words have the same root and work to the same point– the black person did not work for his position, he is less qualified, and he should not be where he is because he doesn’t deserve it. He’s only there because it’s politically correct, or editorially mandated, or because the team has to have a black character, doesn’t it?

Protip: Shut up. All you’re doing is reinforcing those ideas. Having one black guy on a team does not a token make. An editorial creation is just as valid as one from talent. It’s in the execution.

I’m gonna be honest and say that Val’s post up top there is what prompted this one. I had one all lined up about Deb Tiegel from Hitman (the best half german/half black character in comics), but I’m pushing it off for a day so that I can get this done.

In her post, she reviewed JSA #12 and said this:

The sequence with John Irons was also in need of some editing/quality control; John’s opening dialog with his wife sounded like pure exposition devoid of any human quality.

John Henry Irons is not in JSA #12. That is Jefferson Pierce, a black man with no facial hair and a wife and a grip of kids apparently (welcome to NEW EARTH). Irons is single, has a goatee, no wife, and no kids. He’s got a niece, though she’s already an established heroine in her own right.

When called on it, she said this:

I think the problem is that Johns wants to make the JSA the catch-all group that every other DC team is rolled into/connected with. Actually having Irons & the Infinity Inc cast make an appearance would make sense to me, as the two titles were historically linked to each other. But to bring not only JLA but Batman and the Outsiders…you need to have a realllly skilled hand to work within such a scope. I’m thinking a little past Johns and more like Busiek.

I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She didn’t confuse the two. It’s just that the book would have been better with John Irons, right? ’cause he is in a book with a cast of all new characters who don’t actually have a connection to the JSA. Also Geoff Johns is a bad writer and Kurt Busiek would write this story better.

Okay.

The conversation continues and we get the gem above about bland black characters created by white dudes, and how we need the black Spider-Man, Wolverine, Joker, and so on.

The bland thing stuck in my craw. What is that about? White people can’t create interesting black people? This means that DC’s blacks all suck? Editorially created characters are bad? Yeah, sorry– no. Not the business. She closed the thread when Pedro from FBB asked her questions, which meant she didn’t get to answer any of mine.

However, I have a blog of my own and I just did my taxes tonight so I’m in a raw mood so I decided to do this post. Pedro responded to her earlier, but that kid is just trying to get some e-cred so don’t read his blog at all. He definitely doesn’t make any good points about re-appropriating characters, writers of a different race writing characters, and comics quality.

Let’s go down the list.

John Henry Irons (TV’s Not Jefferson Pierce): He’s about as editorially mandated as it gets, isn’t he? He started out as the only one of the four replacement Superman to not claim to be Superman. He was carrying on in his name because it was the right thing to do. He graduated to being one of Superman’s best friends, an integral member of the JLA, buddies with Plastic Man, and one of the foremost thinkers in the DCU. Here’s his blandest moment:


jla38-16.jpg

jla39-16.jpg

jla39-17.jpg

jla39-18.jpg

jla40-10.jpg

jla40-11.jpg

jla40-12.jpg

jla40-13.jpg


Did I say blandest? I lied. Dude has not only fooled an enemy who has taken over a decent portion of a city, but he has picked up on a plan from a teammate with little prompting, and come up with a way to take out that enemy.

DC’s African American characters are either created to be the only person of color on a team (JSA, JLA, Teen Titans, Green Lantern Corps), or by editorial fiat to fill a diversity need (Firestorm).

Blow by blow:

JSA: Jakeem Thunder is a member, and I guess Amazing Man is now, too. Jakeem is a kid with a magical wishing genie who didn’t have the benefit of a Bruce Wayne or Hal Jordan upbringing. He’s got an attitude, a rough edge or three, but he’s also trying to do right. That’s bland?

Mr. Terrific is a guy so smart that Batman copied some of his designs and regularly treats as an equal. He’s apparently the third smartest man on earth, too. Having trouble seeing the bland here.

Teen Titans: Ain’t no black people on this team.

JLA: I already went over Steel. John Stewart and Vixen are I guess who she was referring to? John Stewart is an equal GL with Hal, Guy, and Kyle. He’s portrayed as the most level-headed and may even have more willpower than his buddies according to a scene in GL where his willpower is too much for his ring in GL last month (month before last?). A guy with a wishing ring and that kind of skill? That’s pretty interesting, innit?

Vixen? She’s a question mark right now. Meltzer’s slipshod plotting left the story of what’s going on with her powers to Dwayne McDuffie, but suddenly she can duplicate the powers and skills of any superhuman she’s nearby. She can fake a Green Lantern ring. That’s a big deal, isn’t it?

Finally, Firestorm.

Poor, beleaguered Jason Rusch. First he’s seen as a ghetto-bound drug-dealing quota case and now he’s bland. Except… he’s a college-age kid who may be the most powerful metahuman on the planet. He’s got father issues, he’s inexperienced, he lost his best friend because of his powers, and now he’s searching for the mentor to the old Firestorm so that he can better learn how to take care of himself. He’s Spider-Man meets Phoenix.


Yeah. I’m not seeing the bland, boring, editorially-mandated black characters here. All of these people have been blessed with quality writers lately. Even before the past year or so, these characters never sunk to “token” status beyond what mouthbreathers on message boards had to say.

I’m not even a DC encyclopedia. I barely even like most DC books. I’ve read enough to know a little bit, though. I’m not talking out the side of my neck here. You can look all this up with a minimum of time on Google or in a comic shop.

This isn’t the first time I’ve had this issue with somebody. Around a year ago, I got into an argument with a different blogger. I’d link it, but she’s since updated her layout and that hosed the 140 comments across two posts where the relevant part of the conversation was.

Long story short, she came out with the line that “all black characters are mandingos and cannot be rescued from their horrible origins.”

I wish that comments thread was still there so, so bad. You don’t even know.

Her reasoning is terrible and horrible in a few ways. First, it supports the idea that you can’t reclaim or improve something. Going by her logic, I got some family members who’re gonna be hoodlums their whole life and are going to be worthless because of that fact. You go to jail and come out a different man? Who cares, dog, you’re still a criminal.

Get outta here with that. You’re gonna look at Bendis’s Luke Cage and tell me he isn’t an improvement, in terms of realistic representation and suchlike, than the one from the ’70s? Falcon is always gonna be a sambo? Bishop is just there to make white women scared? *smh*

When you get down to calling black characters bland, mandingos, tokens, or whatever, and you aren’t naming names? You’re doing wrong. You’re painting a whole bunch of characters with an ugly, ugly brush.

I’m having trouble coming up with some tokens who still appear in comics. Triathlon, I guess? I’ve read like half a comic with him in it, so I don’t even know there. Honestly, who are some “token” characters?

You think that there are “some bland/token/boring/racist black characters?” Call out names. Otherwise, some of us get to play “Guess who” while the rest of us are just going “I knew that Luke Cage was a token! What’s he doing on the Avengers anyway?”

Leave the subliminals at home and call out names. Be specific and know what you’re talking about because someone (probably me, at this rate) will call you on it. At worst, you might learn how he isn’t a token. At best, you might gain a new appreciation for a character you never paid attention to.

Stop looking at them as “black characters.” Treat them like characters instead of pieces in your “This Is How Superteams Should Look” puzzle set.

Superman isn’t a white character, why is Steel a black character? Why is Priest painted as a “black writer” instead of a “writer?”

But just know that when you’re calling someone a token, you’re denigrating their skills, their past, and their accomplishments. You’re treating that character as inherently lesser than his teammates, due solely to preconceived notions and the make-up of his team.


Be specific or don’t speak up at all.

Very interesting. Marvel has always been more forward thinking on DC but DC has made big strides in recent years but they still need improvement. Not that Marvel is/was perfect but they're ahead of their Distinguished Competition.
As embarassing as Luke Cage could be at time, he was a star of his own book and was never a sidekick and when he got a partner, it was the White dude who came off as the sidekick (even though he wasn't).
They gave Vixen a very short run as a main member of the JLA and a few issues as leader. Storm and Captain Marvel II (Monica Lambeau) were leaders of the X-Men and Avengers decades ago.
Well you're both right about your points, but here is the thing in my opinion from what I've observed:

DC's black characters may be more powerful in terms superpowers and such but Marvel's black character seem to be major players in terms of what's going - big events and what not. That's just me:dunno:
 
Well you're both right about your points, but here is the thing in my opinion from what I've observed:

DC's black characters may be more powerful in terms superpowers and such but Marvel's black character seem to be major players in terms of what's going - big events and what not. That's just me:dunno:

This is what I mean DC black heroes are just pawns on a chess board never anyone to idolize or the last man standing in the end!!

So how many Black DC chanters have or had their own comic books???


:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
This is y I really hope Black Panther movie comes out and is hot, no offense to Supes or Batman or Spidey cuz I love them but I want my nephews to grow up reading at least one comic book with a real hero that happens to be black. Its whack to think that to this day when u mention big heroes black ones aren't really there
 
Every issue of that JLA written by Grant Morrison was some of the best JLA stories ever. Peep'em if you haven't. Vixen is my favorite DC Woman, along with Thunder now.

Only black DC'er to have a decently lasting book was Steel. And i think they're giving him another book. Vixen had solo run. Bronze Tiger(hubby's fave) Had his own mini for a little bit too. And at 1 point he did lead the Suicide Squad.
 
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