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Carmelo Anthony should look West

killa kadafi191 said:
David Aldridge just said the deal isn't done.

It will be done next week.

The Nets owner arrives in town on Monday.

All teams have tuesday off.

As I said before Denver been holding out trying to get the Nets to get AL Harrington.

Kenny Smith said on NBA TV the deal is going down next week.

Personally I hope NY swoops in trade places with us so they get gutted
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Knicks won't get gutted.

They'll still keep their core

Amare
Felton
one of Chandler/Fields/Gallinari.

Randolph hasn't been playing so losing him for a pick won't mean a thing.

Turiaf will still be there, and I'm sure Shawne Williams will be too.

They won't be contenders or in the conference finals for another season and more retooling, but they won't be gutted, at all.

The Nets? I think it's clear what's going on here. They tried to start a crosstown rivalry with NY starting with that painting in manhattan.

But they completely whiffed in the offseason. Who did they spend their money on? Should we list them?

So they're the biggest losers this offseason, and they don't have a name to sell tickets.

Getting Carmelo is about two things, and two things only. They want a big name player for the move, and they don't want to lose to NY again. NY gets Carmelo, they have Amare and Felton, decent to very good roleplayers, and the Nets begin their franchise in Brooklyn behind the 8 ball.

This is about those two things, especially the latter. I bet you Carmelo knows it. I think Melo's agent is trying to mastermind this for future deals with players and to increase the power he has in the league. But this trade is terrible for Carmelo, and terrible for the Nets too.
 
killa kadafi191 said:
it's russian night Wed.

But as reported The Russian doesn't need to sell Jersey to Melo.

He already sold it to Melo's agent :lol::lol::lol:
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I think you're losing it.

He could sell Jersey, the stars and the moon to melo's agent.

But Melo could just say to Leon Rose - NY, or you're gone.

What do you think his agent does then?

I could remember Leon Rose wanting Lebron in Chicago and NJ.

Where did he go? Miami.

The agent serves the player, not vice versa. He could fire his agent and the Players Association could negotiate the trade I believe - and with an extension looming Leon Rose loses something like 3.25 million. (5% of the contract).
 
Nobody said:
I think you're losing it.

He could sell Jersey, the stars and the moon to melo's agent.

But Melo could just say to Leon Rose - NY, or you're gone.

What do you think his agent does then?

I could remember Leon Rose wanting Lebron in Chicago and NJ.

Where did he go? Miami.

The agent serves the player, not vice versa. He could fire his agent and the Players Association could negotiate the trade I believe - and with an extension looming Leon Rose loses something like 3.25 million. (5% of the contract).
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I know that but you didn't see my other post in the other thread.

Where Bill Simmons

Alan Hahn and other sport writers questioned Melo's agent motives.

How these guys are doing what's best for them not Melo.

People at the end of the day this is about money.

Melo is not going to wait till free agency. book that.

He wants that extension..

Denver wants Favors and picks.

they have to work together.
 
Nobody said:
Knicks won't get gutted.

They'll still keep their core

Amare
Felton
one of Chandler/Fields/Gallinari.

Randolph hasn't been playing so losing him for a pick won't mean a thing.

Turiaf will still be there, and I'm sure Shawne Williams will be too.

They won't be contenders or in the conference finals for another season and more retooling, but they won't be gutted, at all.

The Nets? I think it's clear what's going on here. They tried to start a crosstown rivalry with NY starting with that painting in manhattan.

But they completely whiffed in the offseason. Who did they spend their money on? Should we list them?

So they're the biggest losers this offseason, and they don't have a name to sell tickets.

Getting Carmelo is about two things, and two things only. They want a big name player for the move, and they don't want to lose to NY again. NY gets Carmelo, they have Amare and Felton, decent to very good roleplayers, and the Nets begin their franchise in Brooklyn behind the 8 ball.

This is about those two things, especially the latter. I bet you Carmelo knows it. I think Melo's agent is trying to mastermind this for future deals with players and to increase the power he has in the league. But this trade is terrible for Carmelo, and terrible for the Nets too.
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I agree with every thing but the Knicks getting gut.

Last week a Knicks spokes man said they spoke with the Denver GM but just like with the Nets he is difficult and not clear with what he wants.

the difference..

The Knicks don't get melo it's not the end of the world. They still have a good team where they can only make stronger with their cap space and deeper.

The Nets their owner wants a star and to make a splash.

Billy king was ready to walk away from Denver bullshit on Sunday. Just like he did in September..

Proky called and told him hell no. Whatever Denver wants you get it.

But if you take AL harrington that hurts the cap space when you are trying to get CP3.

:smh::smh::smh:

that's when the Nets own writer said Proky is too star hungry.

Sure he can buy AL Harrington back but all you are doing is showing Denver if they say jump the Nets say "how high"
 
Nobody said:
This is opinion.

If the Knicks get Carmelo, I can't see Chicago creating that much separation. I feel it'll be a toss up personally. Chicago will be better defensively, but NY better offensively.

The Knicks are beating teams they're supposed to beat, but still dropping games against teams they'd beat if they had Carmelo in the place of Chandler/Gallinari.

Are Boozer/Rose better than Melo and Amare?
And is Noah more of an impact player than Felton is right now?

I'd have to say we must wait until this happens.

But as it is now? Only Boston and Miami will be definitively better than the Knicks with Carmelo and Amare, with Orlando possibly a bit better, and Chicago is a tossup really.
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Beating teams they're supposed to beat doesn't mean anything because come playoff time, they'll have to face one of those four teams in the first round unless they can get the 3 seed.

Boozer and Amare is a tossup. Rose can score at will and I don't think Felton and NY's interior D can stop him, but I do think Melo is a few notches above him. I think Noah is in a better position because he has less pressure on him than Felton.

I think the Knicks would be underdogs in a series against Chicago or Orlando.
 
killa kadafi191 said:
I know that but you didn't see my other post in the other thread.

Where Bill Simmons

Alan Hahn and other sport writers questioned Melo's agent motives.

How these guys are doing what's best for them not Melo.

People at the end of the day this is about money.

Melo is not going to wait till free agency. book that.

He wants that extension..

Denver wants Favors and picks.

they have to work together.
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They don't have to work together is what you don't get.

If Melo was two years under contract, the trade would have been made. But to give up two picks AND Favors? Melo has until the trade deadline to draw this out - and if Denver holds steadfast and the Nets don't get scared off? Then the trade goes through. We seen this trade "happen" too many times to think it's really happening now - and there's still a lot of time to see what happens.

But as long as he can say no to the extension with NJ - he can control the trade. He can say yes when it becomes apparent Denver is playing a better game of chicken however - but when that happens it happens. I believe it to be a possibility, but it would be foolish for Melo to cave this early when he made it this far.
 
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
OJ Mayo would not be happy with a trade to Denver, sources say. Mayo wants to go to winning situation. He would love to go to the Knicks.
 
killa kadafi191 said:
I agree with every thing but the Knicks getting gut.

Last week a Knicks spokes man said they spoke with the Denver GM but just like with the Nets he is difficult and not clear with what he wants.

the difference..

The Knicks don't get melo it's not the end of the world. They still have a good team where they can only make stronger with their cap space and deeper.

The Nets their owner wants a star and to make a splash.

Billy king was ready to walk away from Denver bullshit on Sunday. Just like he did in September..

Proky called and told him hell no. Whatever Denver wants you get it.

But if you take AL harrington that hurts the cap space when you are trying to get CP3.

:smh::smh::smh:

that's when the Nets own writer said Proky is too star hungry.

Sure he can buy AL Harrington back but all you are doing is showing Denver if they say jump the Nets say "how high"
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Knicks won't have cap space to get Paul if they get Melo and have Amare.

It's simply not possible.

I think CP3 get's left in the cold honestly, because Felton is cheaper, healthier, and is playing very very well.

The Nets and Denver can talk until they're blue in the face, but until Melo says yes to the trade, it won't happen. Not for Favors and TWO draft picks. Not at all.

Melo doesn't just want to go to a NY area team, he wants to go to a GOOD team. The Nets are not that, and won't be that even with Billups and Hamilton. And when are the nets coming to brooklyn? It won't be until the 2012-2013 season at the earliest.

So that will be the rest of this season, and another full season on a mediocre team in NJ before they even get to NY. They'll also be over the cap until the END of the 2012-2013 season, and possibly beyond that!

I don't even think the Nets ownership and brass think they can become a legit team until 2015 at the earliest. When you consider the signings they made in the offseason? Johan Petro Anthony Morrow, Jordan Farmar, Travis Outlaw? Then you have Brook Lopez regressing as a player?

Denver wants this trade bad. NJ wants this trade bad. But at the core of the situation, Denver doesn't want to lose Melo without some sort of return - and if they have to they'll take a trade they don't like as much if they're going to get a pick in return. The Knicks could sweeten it IMO if they can get Memphis involved - which will give flexibility to Denver AND Memphis.

Hell Steve Kerr just said the same thing about Melo going to NJ.

NJ needs to stop being bitches and trying to hard to show up the Knicks, and be more concerned with gathering young talent and moving to Brooklyn with a young fun team to watch, as a cheaper alternative to the Knicks, instead of constantly trying to grab the NY market in one swoop.
 
killa kadafi191 said:
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
OJ Mayo would not be happy with a trade to Denver, sources say. Mayo wants to go to winning situation. He would love to go to the Knicks.
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My dude.

You need to stop posting anything Chris Broussard says.

OJ Mayo has absolutely no leverage, and no real weight in the league to want to go to a winning team. If he's traded he's traded. And I'm sure with the right coach he'll be a very productive player in the nba. Hell in my trade scenario the Nuggets would actually be in a good position moving forward.
 
Duffle_Bag said:
Beating teams they're supposed to beat doesn't mean anything because come playoff time, they'll have to face one of those four teams in the first round unless they can get the 3 seed.

Boozer and Amare is a tossup. Rose can score at will and I don't think Felton and NY's interior D can stop him, but I do think Melo is a few notches above him. I think Noah is in a better position because he has less pressure on him than Felton.

I think the Knicks would be underdogs in a series against Chicago or Orlando.
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Right NOW they're beating teams they're supposed to beat, but are a toss up vs. better teams, and lose against the cream of the NBA. But with Melo their odds even up.

Anyways, the crux of my comments to you is that with Melo, the Bulls may be better, or may not be better. But they aren't CLEARLY better.

Boston, Miami, Orlando even? Better definitively.

But Chicago? Complete tossup.
 
killa kadafi191 said:
Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
OJ Mayo would not be happy with a trade to Denver, sources say. Mayo wants to go to winning situation. He would love to go to the Knicks.
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WTF! Mayo go sit yo ass down somewhere. Denver been shitting on you and your squad since you came in the league.:smh:
 
Nobody said:
My dude.

You need to stop posting anything Chris Broussard says.

OJ Mayo has absolutely no leverage, and no real weight in the league to want to go to a winning team. If he's traded he's traded. And I'm sure with the right coach he'll be a very productive player in the nba. Hell in my trade scenario the Nuggets would actually be in a good position moving forward.
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that was for agent creed. he has been calling since day one the Knicks will get Mayo.

Once Melo is traded to the Nets I see Randolph being moved.

You forgot one key thing. Denver Gm has said he wants picks.
 
killa kadafi191 said:
that was for agent creed. he has been calling since day one the Knicks will get Mayo.

Once Melo is traded to the Nets I see Randolph being moved.

You forgot one key thing. Denver Gm has said he wants picks.
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You didn't see my trade scenarios?

In both I have denver receiving one pick.

In one i have them getting Mayo (former lottery pick) and a draft pick. I think under the right tutelage (George Karl).
 
unknownsoldier said:
LAC was where LeBron should've gone...basketball wise, they're a SF away from having a pretty complete base of talent. Melo to LA wouldn't be bad @ all.
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exactly

look at that roster

and they could of had lebron without having to give anything up

they had the cap space and NOBODY wanted to go there :smh:
 
'take a 'small' pay cut and come to where you'll be appreciated 'melo! :yes:

now stand back as i use my super powers....'

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Nigga need to quit trippin and OK the trade to Dallas

Cuban will break you off with the money and you will win the championship with Dirk

He aint winning shit in NY or NJ
 
I don't get why people bring up LA Clippers as a real organization.

Guys who care about winning won't go there. Guys who want money will go there if offered more money in LAC than anywhere else.

As long as Sterling is the owner, it won't happen. Blake is great, but people are already wondering where he'll end up. LAC will ALWAYS be the little brother to LAL.

Anyways, I thought this is an interesting tidbit about the Anthony trade process

One option that might appease all sides would be for the Nuggets to play out the season with Melo, do the $65 million contract extension by June's closing window and then trade him on draft night.
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June 30th is the last day Melo can get his extension. So if he really wants to go to NY he can play this out the entire season and playoffs, and by that time he can either scare off NJ, or prove to Denver that he's willing to walk for less money. Chances are the amount for a max contract won't go down much, but rather the amount of years you can sign for, and possibly the raises will change.

He's really in the Driver's seat, because if he holds out all the way to June, I can't see Denver risking letting him go for nothing
 
I,myself, would love to have Marcus Camby come back to help to the fold... :yes:
'Melo would be a great addition but... we need some size to deal with Boston, Orlando and the Lakers... Miami is a different story... That where 'Melo comes in... We need 'Melo for those dudes... :yes:
 
D-TOWN REP said:
Nigga need to quit trippin and OK the trade to Dallas

Cuban will break you off with the money and you will win the championship with Dirk

He aint winning shit in NY or NJ
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Nigga shut yo stupid ass up. Yo team ain't winning shit in the NBA. You dumb ass niggas need a great back hand to slap the taste out ya mouth.
 

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