Upper tax cuts vs. unemployment benefits

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Will one of our resident Republicans explain why national Republicans keep trumpeting tax cuts for the wealthy but are against extending unemployment benefits. Lets' be honest, both are bad for the deficit, one is much worse than the other. One of them (benefits) is actually stimulative to the economy while the other is not.

Can we, on this one issue, agree that Washington Republicans are full of $h!t on this one. There's no grey areas like health insurance reform. This is straight forward, right and wrong, honesty and cynicism.
 
not a Republican but a conscious businessman. Taxes diminish the ability for the "middle class" to accumulate capital necessary for investment to start their own companies, thus reducing competition and benefitting the "Too Big To Fails". Sometimes, we don't truly appreciate the sacrifice of the leaders in the business community. Taxes should be cut permanently because it is the entreprenuers who took the risk to start an organization, therefore, they should be rewarded if they are successful.

Also, for some on the left, to quantify a 'tax cut' as an expense to the govt, it's absurd!

How does a tax cut have a negative effect on the national debt?
 
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Kennedy on Tax cuts! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! And the sh*t worked, honestly, nothin else needs to be said

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Good Day Dave great question. It's rather complex due to the variables each entail. I'm taking the role of Pro: tax cuts, I am in the affirmative that facts are not objective. A lot of objective facts are true but cannot be argued against because there is not yet another fact to stand against it.

1. Which would sustain itself longterm?
2. What is the optimal specific purpose of each piece of legislation?

OPTIMAL GOAL: TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY AND GET AMERICANS BACK TO WORK.

History has shown that whatever you subsidize you will in return get more of. The key word is subsidize. What ever you want less of tax it to death, smoking, alcohol.

Some key democratic official are of the notion that unemployment benefits can jump start the economy(Pelosi).

I can feel for those who lost their job and are faced with a mortgage,car loan, kids and a wife.

Having said that, extending unemployment benefits will lead to more unemployment. How long do we extend said benefits. Say if a person earned 30K plus housing and food all off of benefits , we'd have a heck of a lot more unemployment. Everyone knows of some uncle or cousin receiving benefits but they are very selective in their job search.

Higher unemployment benefits make unemployment less unattractive. There is a close correlation between increased unemployment benefits and an increase in the unemployment rate.

My friend I'll grant you that those dollars will be immediately recycled into the economy to keep people working in a wide array of areas. That said, it's only artificial because there is no predestine number each month.

Unemployment benefits are not stimulus. As I mentioned before in several posts, the government doesn't create resources. It redistributes them. Everyone who is given something there is someone who has that something taken away. Yes, the unemployed may spend more from their benefits, those people from whom the resources are taken will spend less.

A lot of callers who call in radio shows in my city complain that those with food stamps are buying king crab legs, shrimp and steaks(Ahh Louisiana) while those who have to foot the bill for their extravagant meals walk in Walmart with a list and calculator. Dave I'm in the South and the productive are pissed.

If your bills are tight you can't just run out and buy a Benz. There is nowhere in history that you can point to that benefits stimulated the economy or brought us out of a recession. "Compared to What" what recession or economic downturn was used??? Nobody is given money with a tax cut!! Money does't start in Washington it starts at your house and local businesses and corporations my friend.

The people who are working for me pay taxes, that money goes to Washington.
If one of my employees lose their job they will apply for unemployment benefits that have to be paid by me from my monthly budget that goes in to a state agency to disburse funds.

Where does that money comes from Mr. Dave?

That money comes from the people who are still working, and from the business that hired them. There is not a net addition of dollars added to the economy because people are out of work. All you are doing is taking money from those who are working and redistributing to those who are not working in that they have some. Sort of like welfare, medicare, medicaid etal.

Ok let's say we extend them again, Where does it stop. It's not sustainable longterm. It's an economic wash, there is no growth or new money its just a different group of people doing the spending.

And guess who gets poorer??? we all do because the productive is taxed to death and the poor is trapped receiving table scraps.

Dave this is all predicated on how you view government and what you expect from your government.

I'm a business owner the more my business grows the more people I can afford to employ. Economics 101.
 
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not a Republican but a conscious businessman. Taxes diminish the ability for the "middle class" to accumulate capital necessary for investment to start their own companies, thus reducing competition and benefitting the "Too Big To Fails". Sometimes, we don't truly appreciate the sacrifice of the leaders in the business community. Taxes should be cut permanently because it is the entreprenuers who took the risk to start an organization, therefore, they should be rewarded if they are successful.

Also, for some on the left, to quantify a 'tax cut' as an expense to the govt, it's absurd!

How does a tax cut have a negative effect on the national debt?

Since most small businesses don't make more than 250k a year, I fully agree with the first paragraph. Those businesses received a lot of tax relief with the Recovery Act and other bills passed through Congress at the behest of the Democratic party and the President.

It is an expense if it's not paid for. I have no problem with any tax cut but there needs to be a spending cut to offset it.

Kennedy on Tax cuts! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! And the sh*t worked, honestly, nothin else needs to be said

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Kennedy was the President during a different time,when we were producers and consumers and not just consumers.


History has shown that whatever you subsidize you will in return get more of. The key word is subsidize. What ever you want less of tax it to death, smoking, alcohol.

No one is talking about taxing anyone to death. Just returning to the previous tax code.


Having said that, extending unemployment benefits will lead to more unemployment. How long do we extend said benefits. Say if a person earned 30K plus housing and food all off of benefits , we'd have a heck of a lot more unemployment. Everyone knows of some uncle or cousin receiving benefits but they are very selective in their job search.

And everyone knows someone who's filling out apps and forwarding resumes all the time and getting nothing in return. My example outnumbers yours.
Do people really think there are masses of people ready to quit their job for $290 a week (the average)?

Higher unemployment benefits make unemployment less unattractive. There is a close correlation between increased unemployment benefits and an increase in the unemployment rate.

Who said anything about "higher" or "increased" benefits?


My friend I'll grant you that those dollars will be immediately recycled into the economy to keep people working in a wide array of areas. That said, it's only artificial because there is no predestine number each month.

Unemployment benefits are not stimulus.

Those two statements are contradictory.
And if we agree that that money is recycled immediately back into the economy, if we take them away, doesn't that hurt the economy and end up causing more people to be unemployed and more homes to be foreclosed?

As I mentioned before in several posts, the government doesn't create resources. It redistributes them. Everyone who is given something there is someone who has that something taken away.
Then the question is: should the government take from the many to give to the few or take from the few to give to the many. They're going to redistribute one way or the other, which one is more fair.

Yes, the unemployed may spend more from their benefits, those people from whom the resources are taken will spend less.

The unemployed end up spending their benefits and giving them right to the companies that laid them off.

A lot of callers who call in radio shows in my city complain that those with food stamps are buying king crab legs, shrimp and steaks(Ahh Louisiana) while those who have to foot the bill for their extravagant meals walk in Walmart with a list and calculator. Dave I'm in the South and the productive are pissed.

Then tell the productive to get out of people's grocery carts. If they want to change places with that person, make it happen. Give up whatever you have so you can qualify for food stamps. People on food stamps get a limited supply. If they choose to spend it on crab and shimp, so be it. I'd still rather be in my position than theirs. People kill me fighting over crumbs when someone else is running off with the breadtruck.

If your bills are tight you can't just run out and buy a Benz. There is nowhere in history that you can point to that benefits stimulated the economy or brought us out of a recession. "Compared to What" what recession or economic downturn was used??? Nobody is given money with a tax cut!! Money does't start in Washington it starts at your house and local businesses and corporations my friend.

I've never gotten the impression that unemployment benefits alone were meant to jumpstart stalling economies but are meant to keep it from sliding further by keeping money in the community.


The people who are working for me pay taxes, that money goes to Washington.
If one of my employees lose their job they will apply for unemployment benefits that have to be paid by me from my monthly budget that goes in to a state agency to disburse funds.

Where does that money comes from Mr. Dave?

That money comes from the people who are still working, and from the business that hired them. There is not a net addition of dollars added to the economy because people are out of work. All you are doing is taking money from those who are working and redistributing to those who are not working in that they have some. Sort of like welfare, medicare, medicaid etal.

Ok let's say we extend them again, Where does it stop. It's not sustainable longterm. It's an economic wash, there is no growth or new money its just a different group of people doing the spending.

And guess who gets poorer??? we all do because the productive is taxed to death and the poor is trapped receiving table scraps.

Dave this is all predicated on how you view government and what you expect from your government.

I'm a business owner the more my business grows the more people I can afford to employ. Economics 101.

But does your business grow faster because more people are able to purchase your goods/services or because your taxes are lowered? Which one is better for your business?
 
Dave I will agree to disagree.

Stories don't start in the middle. Your post began with you in the affirmative stance for benefits. How long ? You give me a number. China and Russia has agreed to drop the dollar. The economy is in the tank. One has proven to stimulate long term while the other is only recycling dollars. The benefits argument is based on a bubble.

How long? At the detriment of the whole house of cards falling.
Come on Dave you can't be that far gone.
 
Dave I will agree to disagree.

Stories don't start in the middle. Your post began with you in the affirmative stance for benefits. How long ? You give me a number. China and Russia has agreed to drop the dollar. The economy is in the tank. One has proven to stimulate long term while the other is only recycling dollars. The benefits argument is based on a bubble.

How long? At the detriment of the whole house of cards falling.
Come on Dave you can't be that far gone.


Which one is that? The tax cuts in debate now have been in effect for ten years, have they made our situation better in any way? It's made the top earners a lot of money but has it helped the economy or the economic standing of this country?

If you're in favor of permanent tax cuts for the top earners, then I say extend the unemployment benefits into perpetuity. If we can afford one, we can afford both.
If you're not in favor of those cuts, then you extend unemployment benefits until the unemployment rate drops to a far more manageable (and wholly arbitrary)7%.
 
Some key democratic official are of the notion that unemployment benefits can jump start the economy(Pelosi).

It's not Pelosi or any Democrats that think unemployment benefits are more stimulative than tax cuts, it's the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

Dave I will agree to disagree.

That's nice but let's not do the thing of I ask you a question and you don't answer it but you ask me a question and I do answer it. I asked a pretty direct "Economics 101" question: which grows your business faster, having your taxes cut or having more customers purchase your goods/services?
 
It is an expense if it's not paid for. I have no problem with any tax cut but there needs to be a spending cut to offset it.

problem solved, return to spending levels during the Clinton years :yes:

Don't continue "W's" mistakes, correct them...........with a hatchet!

Kennedy was the President during a different time,when we were producers and consumers and not just consumers.

Your statement speaks directly to "the underlying fundamentals of a healthy economy". We, as a nation, cannot continue to borrow to consume. That's why the policy objectives of this admin should be focused on stimulating 'productive' jobs. Those jobs come from the private sector and doesn't cost the govt anything! Unfortunately, that means some TSA/DEA/DHS/FDA/HHS workers need to lose their jobs so their talents can be utilized in a productive manner, thats why govt needs to shrink.

The cost of Govt is suffocating any chances to "produce our way out of this mess". Think about it for a minute, we cannot borrow our way back to prosperity
 
problem solved, return to spending levels during the Clinton years :yes:

Don't continue "W's" mistakes, correct them...........with a hatchet!

Take the spending and taxes back to Clinton era levels and I'm on board.


Your statement speaks directly to "the underlying fundamentals of a healthy economy". We, as a nation, cannot continue to borrow to consume. That's why the policy objectives of this admin should be focused on stimulating 'productive' jobs. Those jobs come from the private sector and doesn't cost the govt anything! Unfortunately, that means some TSA/DEA/DHS/FDA/HHS workers need to lose their jobs so their talents can be utilized in a productive manner, thats why govt needs to shrink.
The cost of Govt is suffocating any chances to "produce our way out of this mess". Think about it for a minute, we cannot borrow our way back to prosperity

Really a lot of those talents would be absorbed back into the government but on a state and local level so those budgets need to be shored up as well and not left to die for political expediency. If the private sector is adding jobs (and it has been slowly for months), I'm with you on that too.
 
Since most small businesses don't make more than 250k a year, I fully agree with the first paragraph. Those businesses received a lot of tax relief with the Recovery Act and other bills passed through Congress at the behest of the Democratic party and the President.

It is an expense if it's not paid for. I have no problem with any tax cut but there needs to be a spending cut to offset it.



Kennedy was the President during a different time,when we were producers and consumers and not just consumers.




No one is talking about taxing anyone to death. Just returning to the previous tax code.




And everyone knows someone who's filling out apps and forwarding resumes all the time and getting nothing in return. My example outnumbers yours.
Do people really think there are masses of people ready to quit their job for $290 a week (the average)?



Who said anything about "higher" or "increased" benefits?




Those two statements are contradictory.
And if we agree that that money is recycled immediately back into the economy, if we take them away, doesn't that hurt the economy and end up causing more people to be unemployed and more homes to be foreclosed?


Then the question is: should the government take from the many to give to the few or take from the few to give to the many. They're going to redistribute one way or the other, which one is more fair.



The unemployed end up spending their benefits and giving them right to the companies that laid them off.



Then tell the productive to get out of people's grocery carts. If they want to change places with that person, make it happen. Give up whatever you have so you can qualify for food stamps. People on food stamps get a limited supply. If they choose to spend it on crab and shimp, so be it. I'd still rather be in my position than theirs. People kill me fighting over crumbs when someone else is running off with the breadtruck.



I've never gotten the impression that unemployment benefits alone were meant to jumpstart stalling economies but are meant to keep it from sliding further by keeping money in the community.




But does your business grow faster because more people are able to purchase your goods/services or because your taxes are lowered? Which one is better for your business?

It's not Pelosi or any Democrats that think unemployment benefits are more stimulative than tax cuts, it's the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.



That's nice but let's not do the thing of I ask you a question and you don't answer it but you ask me a question and I do answer it. I asked a pretty direct "Economics 101" question: which grows your business faster, having your taxes cut or having more customers purchase your goods/services?

I asked a pretty direct "Economics 101" question: which grows your business faster, having your taxes cut or having more customers purchase your goods/services?
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Sorry Dave, I was on my way out the door.

To address your question like I said before, let me say it again this is a d___n good question. There are many variables that come into play.

I need customers who will pay for my services each quarter. I can't grow my business on clients who can only purchase my services for two to three months.

Walmart doesn't build in areas with low traffic. Businesses operate off of market surveys. I wouldn't open up a Neiman Marcus in the hood.

You cannot run your house this way Dave? If you do, Go out and purchase two top of the line Bentleys right now. You can do it go ahead.

At my wife's last job they normally would have these huge Christmas parties everything paid for. When the economy started to go south they cut it along with several hundred employees!!! They couldn't afford it.

Contrary to popular belief we are all in this together, but on a larger scale ( the country as a whole). We want the Bentleys but we have a Pinto budget!! Again I feel for those people, but we can't afford it.
Tax cuts stimulate the economy. I hope I answered your question.


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Tax cuts stimulate the economy. I hope I answered your question.

What if the tax cut is just saved or used to pay off debt ? ? ? Its been documented that Big Business has been sitting on hordes of cash and not hiring, this DURING the tax cut. No ? ? ?

QueEx
 
What if the tax cut is just saved or used to pay off debt ? ? ? Its been documented that Big Business has been sitting on hordes of cash and not hiring, this DURING the tax cut. No ? ? ?

QueEx


Yes they are sitting on it, they are afraid to hire. You're a business owner I know you would want to know what your cost are up front. No I don't know what they are thinking (CEO's)!! But i'm speaking from my experience on a smaller scale. When my clients lost their jobs they could no longer afford my services. They couldn't pay me with an unemployment check because they needed to pay for their essentials.

Some I offered free services why they looked for employment, because they are good people. I know they would pay if they had it. But at some point I had to stop. My employees cant work for free.

It's a good thing for businesses on a smaller scale to save so that we wouldn't be slaves to the banks. Hell I would love to be in a position to be debt free.
 
Yes they are sitting on it, they are afraid to hire.

If they're not hiring now with the tax rates as they are now, why would they if they were extended further? And how would they if there were less people to spend money with their businesses?



Tax cuts do stimulate the economy but the most effective means between the two is the unemployment benefits. Just as with the middle class tax cuts done the Obama way of cutting people's taxes and putting a little more in their check is more effective than the Bush way of cutting a single rebate check.
 
Yes they are sitting on it, they are afraid to hire. You're a business owner I know you would want to know what your cost are up front. No I don't know what they are thinking (CEO's)!! But i'm speaking from my experience on a smaller scale. When my clients lost their jobs they could no longer afford my services. They couldn't pay me with an unemployment check because they needed to pay for their essentials.

Some I offered free services why they looked for employment, because they are good people. I know they would pay if they had it. But at some point I had to stop. My employees cant work for free.

It's a good thing for businesses on a smaller scale to save so that we wouldn't be slaves to the banks. Hell I would love to be in a position to be debt free.


No debate there.
 
If any lesson should've been learned by this country it is this form of capitalism does not work..why do we keep beating a dead horse...almost 2011 and there is still the boom and bust cycles, super rich and super poor. Whats the definition of insanity....doing what you've always done yet expect different results.
 
If they're not hiring now with the tax rates as they are now, why would they if they were extended further? And how would they if there were less people to spend money with their businesses?



Tax cuts do stimulate the economy but the most effective means between the two is the unemployment benefits. Just as with the middle class tax cuts done the Obama way of cutting people's taxes and putting a little more in their check is more effective than the Bush way of cutting a single rebate check.

For the last time
Unemployed people can't stimulate the economy, that money is recycled better yet transferred to individuals in a time of need. You can't stimulate nothing unemployed.

Dave if I ask you to lend me 200.00 to pay my utility bill and you agreed was there any growth or wealth created? You transferred your wealth to me.
 
For the last time
Unemployed people can't stimulate the economy, that money is recycled better yet transferred to individuals in a time of need. You can't stimulate nothing unemployed.

Dave if I ask you to lend me 200.00 to pay my utility bill and you agreed was there any growth or wealth created? You transferred your wealth to me.


All money is recycled so by that theory there is no way to stimulate economies because money is just transferring from one person to another.

If I give you $200, you are that much richer and can use that to pay your utility bill. By that same token, I can't use that money to pay my own. But if you pay me back, then the electric company comes off because both of us will pay our bills.

Don't argue with me with hypotheticals, argue with the CBO who look at real numbers.
 
There is a good case for letting the GW tax cuts lapse for every tax bracket. The debt would fall precipitously. After the political theater over the last year about how debilitating the debt is, the media is ignoring this fact.
 
There is a good case for letting the GW tax cuts lapse for every tax bracket. The debt would fall precipitously. After the political theater over the last year about how debilitating the debt is, the media is ignoring this fact.

The only way for the debt to fall "precipitously" is for the govt. to stop spending $$$ it obviously does not have.

Return spending to the levels of when Clinton was in office, you'll see the economy / capital investment pick up.

Not that I advocate all the spending under Clinton but atleast taxpayers weren't burdened by 2 Wars and the DHS
 
The only way for the debt to fall "precipitously" is for the govt. to stop spending $$$ it obviously does not have.

Return spending to the levels of when Clinton was in office, you'll see the economy / capital investment pick up.

Not that I advocate all the spending under Clinton but atleast taxpayers weren't burdened by 2 Wars and the DHS
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to stop spending $$$ it obviously does not have


Such as tax cuts for the top 2%. How are they/going to be paid for?
 
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Such as tax cuts for the top 2%. How are they/going to be paid for?

Clarification please, Are you operating under the assumption that it's all the govts. $$$, & any money you are allowed to keep (after the citizen has earned it) is an expense to the govt?
 
Clarification please, Are you operating under the assumption that it's all the govts. $$$, & any money you are allowed to keep (after the citizen has earned it) is an expense to the govt?


Wrong! You assume the citizen has made the money without any government intervention. Since the inception of this nation, taxes were leveed to help the economy grow, and that was with a population of less than 5 million, the majority of those forced uncompensated labor on just a sliver of the land mass we now have. You long for the post Roaring Twenties time period. Take that simplistic 19th century ideology back to the Ayn Rand web site!
 
Wrong! You assume the citizen has made the money without any government intervention.

assumptions? If I work at a cornerstore as a cashier, that's my $9/hour, my labor! The same goes if you're D-Wade making a max contract. Govt had nothin to do with me makin my $$$ nor should they make claims on my labor. If you believe govt should lay claim on my labor, thats not capitalism, maybe communism/facism. In technical terms, its slavery

PS. I aint a Heat fan but Make ya money DWade!

Since the inception of this nation, taxes were leveed to help the economy grow, and that was with a population of less than 5 million, the majority of those forced uncompensated labor on just a sliver of the land mass we now have.

There you go! How do taxes help an economy grow? Honestly, thats one of the more comical statements you have made. Maaan, the Revolutionary War was fought to get rid of taxes, remember, Taxation without Representation?

You long for the post Roaring Twenties time period. Take that simplistic 19th century ideology back to the Ayn Rand web site!

I long for honest money!
 
assumptions? If I work at a cornerstore as a cashier, that's my $9/hour, my labor! The same goes if you're D-Wade making a max contract. Govt had nothin to do with me makin my $$$ nor should they make claims on my labor. If you believe govt should lay claim on my labor, thats not capitalism, maybe communism/facism. In technical terms, its slavery

True but it's the government that makes sure that you get paid that $9 instead of getting a store credit. It certainly wasn't capitalism that ensured things like minimum wages. Big earners don't make that money in a vacuum. While all this complaining from them about taxes goes on, I notice most of them still reside in the US. Why? Because they get one of the best deals in the world with their taxes and their lifestyles.
 
assumptions? If I work at a cornerstore as a cashier, that's my $9/hour, my labor! The same goes if you're D-Wade making a max contract. Govt had nothin to do with me makin my $$$ nor should they make claims on my labor. If you believe govt should lay claim on my labor, thats not capitalism, maybe communism/facism. In technical terms, its slavery

PS. I aint a Heat fan but Make ya money DWade!

I'm for making all the loot you can, but if you think the government had nothing to do with the high standard of living we enjoy in this country, you are truly uninformed. Why are illegals flocking here instead of working for pennies in their own countries.


There you go! How do taxes help an economy grow? Honestly, thats one of the more comical statements you have made. Maaan, the Revolutionary War was fought to get rid of taxes, remember, Taxation without Representation?

I guess the massive understructure that has aided in the exploding of our economy had nothing to do with government. Lamarr, look up the TVA and the electrification of the south. The fight between the private sector and the government is something those think that the private sector was responsible for the growth and living standard of the south prior to WWII. Things just don't magically happen.

The revolutionary WAS NOT fought to get rid of taxes. If was fought for taxation WITHOUT representation. Look up the Whiskey Rebellion soon after the Revolutionary War, during the George Washington administration. You are again auguring for an imaginary period in American history.

Spouting off right wing talking points does nothing for to further the argument I think you have legitimate concerns about.

What we do have today is taxation without reorientation in... Washington DC. Of course the main barrier for fixing this inequity are the so called Constitution loving, Conservatives and republicans. Is it any coincidence that Washington DC is 70% Black folk?


{QUOTE]I long for honest money![/QUOTE]

We can definitely agree on this point you redundantly post every 3rd thread. Ever since Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan decided that Wall Street and the money speculators were more important to the economy than workers and manufactures, our economy has been based on the whims of what the Dow posts every day.
 
True but it's the government that makes sure that you get paid that $9 instead of getting a store credit. It certainly wasn't capitalism that ensured things like minimum wages. Big earners don't make that money in a vacuum. While all this complaining from them about taxes goes on, I notice most of them still reside in the US. Why? Because they get one of the best deals in the world with their taxes and their lifestyles.

True but it's the government that makes sure that you get paid that $9 instead of getting a store credit. It certainly wasn't capitalism that ensured things like minimum wages.

I'm not sure he can comprehend this simple point.
 
I'm against both! The world economy is in flux. Those of you who have been drawing unemployment benefits for months on end without taking any of the jobs you could have easily gotten need to accept that fact. It is never going to be the way it was. You can either retool your skill set or go fill out an application at Walmart. In either case, the government needs to stop sucking the rest of us dry so that you unfortunate motherfuckers will quit holding on to a a dream that has come and gone.
 
assumptions? If I work at a cornerstore as a cashier, that's my $9/hour, my labor! The same goes if you're D-Wade making a max contract. Govt had nothin to do with me makin my $$$ nor should they make claims on my labor. If you believe govt should lay claim on my labor, thats not capitalism, maybe communism/facism. In technical terms, its slavery

Wow, you are stupid. The only reason anyone would pay a fucking store clerk $9/hour is because the government compels them to pay a minimum wage and prohibits them from hiring an undocumented Guatemalan to do the same job for $1/hour. Furthermore, you clearly don't have a fucking clue what fascism means (not to mention your not knowing how to spell it.) You also don't seem to have any understanding that Keynesian capitalism, in which the government intercedes in order to prevent the boom & bust oscillations of Laissez-faire capitalism, is the only reason that we aren't deep in the throws of a depression. Even George Bush knew that, and somehow you don't. You are a special kind of idiot. :hmm:
 
Wow, you are stupid. The only reason anyone would pay a fucking store clerk $9/hour is because the government compels them to pay a minimum wage and prohibits them from hiring an undocumented Guatemalan to do the same job for $1/hour. Furthermore, you clearly don't have a fucking clue what fascism means (not to mention your not knowing how to spell it.) You also don't seem to have any understanding that Keynesian capitalism, in which the government intercedes in order to prevent the boom & bust oscillations of Laissez-faire capitalism, is the only reason that we aren't deep in the throws of a depression. Even George Bush knew that, and somehow you don't. You are a special kind of idiot. :hmm:

Why the "stupid" and "idiot" comments? They didn't add anything to your argument. Please read the Board Rules.

Peace,

QueEx
 
Wow, you are stupid.

I welcome all hataz, you must be one of those cyberbullies :D


The only reason anyone would pay a fucking store clerk $9/hour is because the government compels them to pay a minimum wage and prohibits them from hiring an undocumented Guatemalan to do the same job for $1/hour.

The fundamental premise of my statement was to help people understand that, regardless of how much money is made, those earnings belong to the person who offered their labor, not govt.

I didn't say anything about minimum wage!


Furthermore, you clearly don't have a fucking clue what fascism means (not to mention your not knowing how to spell it.)

typo, my bad. thats for another thread


You also don't seem to have any understanding that Keynesian capitalism, in which the government intercedes in order to prevent the boom & bust oscillations of Laissez-faire capitalism, is the only reason that we aren't deep in the throws of a depression. Even George Bush knew that, and somehow you don't. You are a special kind of idiot. :hmm:

You're right, I don't subscribe to that Keynesian-Voodoo-economic bullshit cause they are simply wrong about everything! Do you need an example? Cause we can go all the way back to Greenspan if you like.

It is that govt intervention is what promotes the booms & busts (ie. Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac).

It amazes me that the media makes such a fuss about tax hikes vs. unemployment insurance, but Bernanke introduces QE2 to give all his Wall Street buddies $600 billion and y'all establishment cats is quiet! But I'm the idiot, y'all gettin played :cool:
 
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Your Keynesian Heroes Bernanke & Krugman!

My Austrian references, Peter Schiff from 2006 @ 3:10

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