Jay-Z Tells Juan Epstein His Takeover Diss Was 100 Times Better Than Ether.
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I never understood the way the whole "battle" was judged. At the time Jay never had a whole studio song with original production aimed at Nas. He had a verse from Takeover and basically a "freestyle" mixtape-ish track in Super Ugly. There was no comparable track.
But song to song Takeover in my opinion is better, Ron Browz production just can't compare to Kanye West's production.
But song to song Takeover in my opinion is better, Ron Browz production just can't compare to Kanye West's production.
1. I don't have enough facts about him jumping from crew to crew
2. That's an extensiopn of the proud dad line
3. Same as 1
4. "If I ain't better than Big, I'm the closest one."
5. Opinion
6.
That's a bad thing that The Roc had actual rappers and the Bravehearts didn't?
Because it's Jay-Z
Who says, yo AZ got Nas in an effort to diminish him.
Maybe if they said Cam got him, it would mean something
After Takeover dropped it seemed there was no way Nas could respond or recover, not only does Nas respond but he buries Jay-z totally. Ether did damage to Jay on so many levels, before it Jay was seen as untouchable after it his armour had been dented badly. Remember Jay on the Hot 97 coppin' pleas, he could not even articulate his words ('um I mean, ah um very vulgar, um wow, um uneasy) when has ever been that vulnerable publicly, even his biggest stan Angie Martinez was looking at him sideways.
Ether totally changed the way Jay approached beef no longer was he eager to engage any and every rapper, he now choose his tragets carefully. Hell lyrically we know he is better than 50 and Game but he knows they too can bury him and unlike Nas they won't stop, hence why he won't respond.
Ether totally changed the way Jay approached beef no longer was he eager to engage any and every rapper, he now choose his tragets carefully. Hell lyrically we know he is better than 50 and Game but he knows they too can bury him and unlike Nas they won't stop, hence why he won't respond.
This is pure bullshit
Jay-Z always ummmms a lot, and isn't that articulate and clear with his thoughts
Jay-Z never was confrontational. Beans, Bleek and SP would go after dudes, not him.
And what did it damage
He's even bigger now.People also seem to overlook the fact that Eminem actually produced the track. So you're talking about a skilled emcee, spending ALOT of time with the track in making it. THEN sitting with it to write to it, why wouldn't he know the BEST way to flow to it? There's no way he could've been topped considering those circumstances.
Nas won shits a dead issue now....
Or maybe he doesn't want to give them what they want: attention.
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Take Over beat & production was better.
Ether went straight for the kill.
- The 2 Pac, " Fuck Jay-Z " sample.
Nas pretty much exposed Jay with this sample because the whole beef started because of the " it's like NY been soft since snoop came through & crushed the buildings " line.
When 2 PAC called his ass out he was quiet.
Tae Bo line - Jay - z was taking tae Bo lessons at the time.
" burner to your dome " - the incident at a club where pun allegedly punked jay with the burner to his dome.
The biting BIG line
Hawaiian Sophie, jaz-o...
And many more of Nas's subliminals that went over y'all head just like when he told cam'ron " you got a House
In
Virginia.
Ether went straight for the kill.
- The 2 Pac, " Fuck Jay-Z " sample.
Nas pretty much exposed Jay with this sample because the whole beef started because of the " it's like NY been soft since snoop came through & crushed the buildings " line.
When 2 PAC called his ass out he was quiet.
Tae Bo line - Jay - z was taking tae Bo lessons at the time.
" burner to your dome " - the incident at a club where pun allegedly punked jay with the burner to his dome.
The biting BIG line
Hawaiian Sophie, jaz-o...
And many more of Nas's subliminals that went over y'all head just like when he told cam'ron " you got a House
In
Virginia.
man jay did the same thing ya'll say Nas did with the kiddy jokes and snaps. he calls him lame like 20 times in the song... at least Nas had some actually funny jokes... Jay lost mad points with "ya shit is garbage, what you tryin' to spit knowledge" like you should be faulted for tryin' to spit knowledge lmao
If you listen to that verse vs half of Either he still got killed. he lies about his albums saying he drops 1 hot album every 10 year average like Nas' first 4 albums don't > Jays first 5.
If you listen to that verse vs half of Either he still got killed. he lies about his albums saying he drops 1 hot album every 10 year average like Nas' first 4 albums don't > Jays first 5.
they aint tryin to hear u playa
jays fans are just glad hes recovered enough from ether to say all this crazy shit
did you just imply that nas was or has ever been lesser to jay fucking z?
fuck the money. on the mic, jay has forever been trying to eclipse nas and has YET to do it.
This is the worse rumor ever. When it first started it was Pun hit jay in the head with a bottle.
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Shawn Carter to Jay-Z damn you on Jaz dick, how many of biggie rhymes gonna come out yo fat lips... 
I always thought Ether was overrated. Ether sounded like a high school nigga trying to clown someone. Plus the beat is not that great as well.
Takeover had facts. The funny thing is... a lot of the stuff on Takeover is still true to this day... "One hot album every 10 year average".
Here's another thing... Takeover was only one 16-24 bar verse while Nas had to use a WHOLE song to get at Jay. If Jay Z was to take all his content from Takeover, Super Ugly, and the song Blueprint 2 and then put it on the Takeover beat.... Jay Z woulda have been the victor unanimously.
Look at both rappers now... Nas won the battle but Jay Z won at Life. Nas stay losing...
Takeover had facts. The funny thing is... a lot of the stuff on Takeover is still true to this day... "One hot album every 10 year average".
Here's another thing... Takeover was only one 16-24 bar verse while Nas had to use a WHOLE song to get at Jay. If Jay Z was to take all his content from Takeover, Super Ugly, and the song Blueprint 2 and then put it on the Takeover beat.... Jay Z woulda have been the victor unanimously.
Look at both rappers now... Nas won the battle but Jay Z won at Life. Nas stay losing...
Because Jay mentioned it in the interview and admitted Em got him
And let's not forget the end when he said "Queens n*ggas run you n*ggas, ask Russell Simmons"...
Bullshit, all I need to know is - if ya'll don't remember, when Ether came out, Jay-Z resorted to talking about Nas baby moms on that wack ass answer record, dude reached for anything he could, Ether got under that nicca's skin, he never got over that which is why til this day he's still talking about it. Not only was Ether better but the beef ressurected Nas whole career and he came back with a classic album.
Was Takeover a better song than Ether, yes, but Ether was a better diss record.
And for the record, music-wise Jay has Nas because he's put out MORE material, about half his albums have been HOT garbage. Jay is not an original dude, he's just great at what he does.
Was Takeover a better song than Ether, yes, but Ether was a better diss record.
And for the record, music-wise Jay has Nas because he's put out MORE material, about half his albums have been HOT garbage. Jay is not an original dude, he's just great at what he does.
yup...........
He been was talking about her. Remember "is that your chic? "
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This is pure bullshit
Jay-Z always ummmms a lot, and isn't that articulate and clear with his thoughts
Jay-Z never was confrontational. Beans, Bleek and SP would go after dudes, not him.
And what did it damage
But has he ever sounded that vulnerable in public. Jay is articulate just not when he is under pressure.
It damaged his untouchable-GOD-MC-no-one-would-dare-diss-me vibe he had around him
But he gives Cam'ron and Jim Jones the attention they want because
if Game is so insinificant then would have dissed him just like he did Jim Jones but he did not...............
I think there was a lot of stuff in Ether only Nas and Jay would understand which is why it was so cutting to Jay-Z. "
"In 88 you was getting chased through ya building, callin' my crib and I ain't even give you my numbers"
There's no telling what he was talking about in that line.
But he gives Cam'ron and Jim Jones the attention they want because
..
He said something about 50 and moved on. Said something about cam and jim and moved on. He didn't waste time going back and forth, song for song.
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How is the fact that Jay fucked his babymom's reaching? How can you get under the skin of a nigga that fucked your baby moms?
I came in ya Bentley backseat
Skeeted in Jeep
Left condoms in tha baby seat
That nigga Jay mom had to tell him "Slow down son, you killin em'"
Ummm, Hov, NOSUR!
He put out an entire diss record aimed at Jim Jones
, when has he ever done that for 50 after GRODT? all he has said is slick comments here and there.
restart this thread with a poll.
I was reppin just about every artist from Queens at the time.When Jigga dropped Takeover that shit hurt me!!
Being as big as mobb Deep fan as I was, I just couldn't come to grips with how he did my boy P. P tried to come back with 'Crawlin' but that was a fail(still a tight song though).
But when Nas dropped 'Ether'
I was caught waaaaay off guard because I truly believed that Jigga was untouchable at the time. I'm biased when it comes to Ether, so my opinion will be flawed,
I was reppin just about every artist from Queens at the time.
When Jigga dropped Takeover that shit hurt me!!Being as big as mobb Deep fan as I was, I just couldn't come to grips with how he did my boy P. P tried to come back with 'Crawlin' but that was a fail
(still a tight song though).But when Nas dropped 'Ether'
I was caught waaaaay off guard because I truly believed that Jigga was untouchable at the time. I'm biased when it comes to Ether, so my opinion will be flawed,
yeah..we were commenting on getting someone lyrically....not about a beef record on that one...but even still.. when you are being featured with another top artist, there is still competition between you...you gotta come with it and Em came so nasty on that shit that it completely oveshadowed Jay on his own song..
Jay-Z knows that Ether got him.That's why whenever somebody has dissed him blatantly ever since then he's ignored it. He didn't want to take another L.
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