NPR Fires Juan Williams For Saying He's Nervous Muslims Might Try To Kill Him

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Business Insider
Henry Blodget
Oct. 21, 2010


Another sacking for religio-stereotyping, this time by politically correct NPR.
Here's what the-now-ex-NPR news analyst Juan Williams is quoted as having told FOX's incendiary Bill O'Reilly:

“I mean, look, Bill, I’m not a bigot. You know the kind of books I’ve written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.”​

Mr. Williams also made reference to the Pakistani immigrant who pleaded guilty this month to trying to plant a car bomb in Times Square. “He said the war with Muslims, America’s war is just beginning, first drop of blood. I don’t think there’s any way to get away from these facts,” Mr. Williams said.

Now, we're not surprised Rick Sanchez got canned for calling John Stewart a bigot and suggesting that Jews run the media. And we're fine with the "Ground Zero mosque" (there was already one in the Twin Towers that got destroyed when some other Muslims killed 3000+ people). And we were outraged on behalf of Muslim Americans when a Maine newspaper apologized to its readers earlier this year for showing a picture of some Portland residents praying peacefully at the end of Ramadan (September 11).

But there's no denying that some Muslims want to kill Americans. And that one favored method for doing so is blowing up planes.

So Juan Williams' remarks, at least as quoted, strike us as honest comments that get at an unsettling truth that a lot of Americans (including, perhaps, Muslim Americans) feel--one that should be acknowledged and discussed.

But that discussion apparently won't be happening on NPR.



http://www.businessinsider.com/npr-fires-juan-williams-2010-10

 

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[Ruff Ryder]

The better question is where did all this Muslim vs America shit get started.

 

[thoughtone]

source: Think Progress

Juan Williams Stands By His Claim That He Has ‘Anxiety’ When He Sees Muslims On Airplanes

News broke last night that NPR fired Juan Williams for saying this week on Fox News that he gets “nervous” and “worried” around Muslims on airplanes. Many media figures and right-wing blogs are incensed, charging that Williams has been taken out of context. Today on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, co-host Willie Geist complained that “We live in a culture now…where context doesn’t matter…where you can yank a quote out” and “don’t tell the rest of the story.” Co-host Joe Scarborough concurred. “He was setting it up to say, ‘Listen I understand people get nervous, sometimes I get nervous, but we’ve got to move past that.’”

Responding to his firing today on Fox News, Williams stood by his original comments. He said he was trying to tell host Bill O’Reilly that Americans have “to make sure we don’t have any outbreak of bigotry” but that “there’s a reality” you “cannot ignore” that 9/11 was connected to Islamic radicalism:

WILLIAMS: Wednesday afternoon, I got a message on my cell phone from Ellen Weiss who is the head of news at NPR asking me to call. When I called back, she said, “What did you say, what did you mean to say?” And I said, “I said what I meant to say” which is that it’s an honest experience that went on in an airport and I see people who are in Muslim garb who identify themselves as first and foremost as Muslims, I do a double take. I have a moment of anxiety or fear given what happened on 9/11. That’s just a reality. And she went on to say, “Well that crosses the line.” And I said, “What line is that?”

And she went on to somehow suggest that I had made a bigoted statement. And I said “that’s not a bigoted statement. In fact, in the course of this conversation with O’Reilly, I said that we have as Americans an obligation to protect constitutional rights of everyone in the country and to make sure we don’t have any outbreak of bigotry but that there’s a reality. You cannot ignore what happened on 9/11 and you cannot ignore the connection to Islamic radicalism and you can’t ignore the fact that what has been recently said in court with regard to this is the first drop of blood in a Muslim war on America.

Watch it:


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The only way Williams could have been taken out of context would be if he had said his feeling of fear when seeing Muslims on an airplane is wrong. But he did not say that in his original segment with Bill O’Reilly. (ThinkProgress has provided the full transcript here.) And today on Fox, Williams reiterated his claim. Salon’s Glenn Greenwald has also debunked the claim that Williams was taken out of context:

[Many] claim that Think Progress deceitfully edited the video of Williams’ comments here in the same way that Shirley Sherrod’s comments were taken out of context, and that the full context of his remarks makes clear that he said nothing bigoted. Please. [...]

Williams began by telling O’Reilly that he was “right” in his view on Muslims. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with candidly admitting that he gets nervous when he sees Muslims on airplanes — even though those feelings reflect some highly distorted thoughts — as we all have irrational reactions to various situations. But Williams was not condemning his own reaction [emphasis in original]; to the contrary, he went on to justify it by saying that people who wear “Muslim garb” are “identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims,” and that “the war with Muslims” (quoting Faisal Shahzad) is one of those “facts we can’t get away from.”
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The Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan said that Williams’ comments are “the working definition of bigotry,” and asked rhetorically, “What if someone said that they saw a black man walking down the street in classic thug get-up. Would a white person be a bigot of he assumed he was going to mug him?”
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[nittie]

That foreign money reps are greedily gobbling up has comeback to bite them. Muslim money and influence has gotten a conservative fired lol. Williams won't admit he's right wing but he is a FOX regular his firing has to send a shiver down right wingers spines.

 

[actinanass]

damn the libs really like to eat their own huh?

Juan will get a show soon...

*edit* I'm sick of PC btw...

 

[3rdfunk]

Did he think he could get away with the saying dumb shit like his buddy o'reilly? If a white dude gets slapped on the wrist, a black dude guilty of the same act gets fired. when will people figure that out?

 

[Lamarr]

yep, NPR is racist

Juan was the only black journalist there!

 

[actinanass]

yep, NPR is racist

Juan was the only black journalist there!

Lamarr, Lamarr, Lamarr... How many times I must tell you? Liberals cannot be charged for racism. Liberalism is the one thing that cannot be racist. You should know that....

 

[satan]

damn the libs really like to eat their own huh?

Juan will get a show soon...

*edit* I'm sick of PC btw...

Maybe. Roger Ailes extended Juan's contract. Tomorrow he guest hosts O'Reilly.
FOX & talk radio were gunning for NPR all day. Repubs couldn't kill their funding in 94, but this time its personal. They don't see it as a shot at Juan. They see it as a shot at FOX.
This whole thing stemmed from O'Reilly's comment about muslims on the View and the day b4 Bill was ready to go to war over pc speech. Its good biz for FOX to show their employees that they got their backs...and yeah, I'm a republican.

 

[thoughtone]

source: Huffington Post

Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint Take Aim at NPR Funding

The reactionaries of the far-right are clawing and scratching at their latest red meat: National Public Radio's decision to fire Juan Williams for comments he made about Muslims on Fox News Channel.

It's hard to work up too much sympathy for Williams -- a once esteemed journalist who has repeatedly embarrassed himself in recent years as a soloist in Bill O'Reilly's amen chorus. He was warned multiple times by NPR about providing commentary on Fox News that violated his employment contract. And his reward for the noxious comments that cost him one job was a new $2 million contract from Fox, announced Thursday.

But that hasn't stopped Sarah Palin, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich, Michelle Malkin, Andrew Breitbart and, of course, O'Reilly from seizing on this contretemps to resuscitate a long-standing right-wing pipe dream: to gut NPR's federal funding altogether. And like clockwork, after a day of increasingly frenzied rhetoric from the usual suspects, South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint announced he will introduce legislation on Friday to do just that.

Regardless of what you think about Juan Williams' dismissal -- and NPR's own ombudsman has questioned how it was handled -- using it to take away public radio's funding is like asking for the death penalty in small claims court. It's crazy and it must be stopped.

Public media like NPR play a crucial role in the American information ecosystem that is otherwise drowning in a sensationalism and soundbytes. It's no secret that newspapers -- the primary source of journalism -- are slashing staff and cutting back on original reporting. Many small- and medium-sized communities now have barely any reporters acting as the eyes and ears of the public.

NPR and its public media cousins provide the bulk of in-depth journalism and educational programming on television and radio -- and they are one of the few places currently hiring journalists and expanding their efforts to cover government and big corporations. Democracy is predicated on an informed citizenry, and never has the need for a robust public media system been greater.

But Palin and her red-meat crew aren't interested in democracy or an informed citizenry. They are interested in headlines. They paint NPR as "far-left" and "politically correct, the handmaiden of terror" -- hyperbole designed to discredit media outlets that are not left wing but rather are committed to reporting hard facts and a range of viewpoints rather than blind, partisan ideological rhetoric cloaked as "fair and balanced."

Public media are far from perfect -- and certainly not above criticism for flaws in their coverage, the decisions of their leadership, and lack of diversity. But they've also earned a reputation, according to public opinion surveys, as the most trusted source of news and the most valued public institution except for the military.

Of course, government-hating zealots calling for the end of public media is nothing new here or abroad. But in this country it carries more weight because our public media system is more vulnerable. It was created with structural flaws that leave it exposed to the political whims of Washington. (Many will remember the attempts during the Bush administration to monitor public broadcasting for signs of "liberal advocacy journalism.")

The call for funding cuts is particularly galling because the United States already has one of the lowest levels of federal funding of public media in the developed world -- at just $1.43 per capita. By comparison, Canada spends $22 per capita, and England spends $80. If you're wondering why we don't have anything like the BBC, that's the biggest reason.

If the United States spent the same per capita on public media and journalism subsidies as Sweden and Norway, which rank 1 and 2, we would be spending as much as $30 billion a year on public media instead of $440 million. It's no coincidence that these same countries rank near the top of The Economist magazine's annual Democracy Index, which evaluates nations on the basis of the functioning of government, civic participation and civil liberties. On that list, the United States ranks 18th.

Yet instead of debating how to build a better public media system, we're stuck with a rotting commercial one that would rather help the likes of Palin whip up a frenzy and play up the false divide between left and right. And why not? It worked with the takedown of ACORN, with the smearing of Shirley Sherrod, and with all the other bogus controversies we're told to swallow as news.

This is no longer just about Juan Williams or NPR. It's a moment where we have to decide: Are we going to let our news media further devolve into a morass of shouting heads, hateful rhetoric and political opportunism? Or are we finally going to stand up, reject this attempt to silence one of the only remaining alternatives to the noise machine, and start working on building something even better. The answer is clear.

 

[thoughtone]

sourcer: Poltico

Fox hands Williams $2 million contract


Fox News moved swiftly to turn the controversy over Juan Williams’s firing to its advantage, offering him an expanded role and a new three-year contract Thursday morning in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, Matea Gold reports.

Roger Ailes took a jab at NPR in the process.

"Juan has been a staunch defender of liberal viewpoints since his tenure began at Fox News in 1997,” he said in a statement. “He’s an honest man whose freedom of speech is protected by Fox News on a daily basis.”

In his new role, Williams will appear more frequently on the network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com.

 

[thoughtone]

damn the libs really like to eat their own huh?

Juan will get a show soon...

*edit* I'm sick of PC btw...

NPR has ceased to be relevant since Reagan and GW got involved in it's day-to-day operations.

The media landscape has tilted so far to the right since the 1980s and especially since 2000. Anything slightly to the right of center appears to be liberal. All of AM radio, cable TV news and most of the so-called main stream news media are right wing leaning to different degrees. NPR, despite the propaganda was never liberal, they were more centrist. NPR had moved more to the right since the Bush administration’s appointment of CPB chairman Kenneth Y. Tomlinson. Informed people have more or less abandoned TV for in depth political coverage. Younger people are going to the net for their information

 

[Ruff Ryder]

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[satan]

The govt has no business backing a media outlet. This is or borders on indoctrination. The media is the unofficial fourth branch or fourth estate of govt. It should be independent. Juan may be the closest thing to a conservative on NPR but he's considered a lib on Fox. Hardcore conservatives consider Bill O'Reilly too center.

Outside of the internet conservatives have 2 options, AM radio & Fox. The country has always leaned right so it should be no surprise that they do well. FDR passed The Fairness Doctrine to cripple conservative media. If a conservative wanted to talk then a lib had to be given equal time despite the fact that few wanted to hear the lib. Reagan pulled the plug on it and conservative radio blew up.

If the alphabets (abc, cbs, nbc, cnn,msnbc) were forced by a right wing prez to equally present conservative views then there would be blood in the streets. On Fox you'll see a lib every 15 minutes. You see a conservative on the alphabets and their outnumbered 2 to 1 plus the "unbiased reporter" (I'm talking reporters, not commentators like Hannity) and libs like Mark Lamont Hill that suck up all the time in the segment with polysyllabic adjectives.

 

[nittie]

Conservatism is dying and has been since FDR, they might win midterm elections this year but it's safe to say they will never elect a president again. Williams firing is a combination of things too numerous to go into here but times are changing and there's nothing Sarah Palin, FOX and conservatives can do about it.

 

[satan]

Conservatism is dying and has been since FDR, they might win midterm elections this year but it's safe to say they will never elect a president again. Williams firing is a combination of things too numerous to go into here but times are changing and there's nothing Sarah Palin, FOX and conservatives can do about it.

Conservatism hasn't been witnessed since Reagan (bless his soul). Conservatism isn't Bush 41 raising taxes or Bush 43 fighting multiple wars and starting Medicare Part D. Conservatism is a desire to live by the founding documents (with an understanding that race or gender don't change your rights), belief in a limited federal govt (which isn't allowed to start things like nat'l healthcare, Dept of Ed, Dept of Energy, Medicare, Welfare, etc), the rights of states (who ARE allowed to start things like nat'l healthcare, Dept of Ed, Dept of Energy, Medicare, Welfare, etc), and a strong national defense.
Conservatism is on an ascendency. If the govt is stimulating 1 thing then it is the rebirth of conservatism. Conservative books dominate book sales, AM radio listenership is off the charts, Fox News beats its combined competition, and people are running from dems.
Repubs were written off 2 yrs ago, this year had the highest primary participation since 1970. This isn't to say Repubs cant/wont mess it up. If they don't start cutting govt programs like people demand then they will officially become a 3rd party. As of now they are an unofficial 3rd party if you compare their numbers to the numbers of people who identify with tea party. The minute the tea parties started people should have seen this coming because conservatives aren't known for marches. They're normally too independent-minded to engage in community-organizing.
Since polling began, 20% of the country believes in american liberalism, 40% independent, & 40% conservative. Obama is liberalisms last chance @ greatness. You'll sense this in peoples actions over the next few yrs.

 

[nittie]

Conservatism hasn't been witnessed since Reagan (bless his soul). Conservatism isn't Bush 41 raising taxes or Bush 43 fighting multiple wars and starting Medicare Part D. Conservatism is a desire to live by the founding documents (with an understanding that race or gender don't change your rights), belief in a limited federal govt (which isn't allowed to start things like nat'l healthcare, Dept of Ed, Dept of Energy, Medicare, Welfare, etc), the rights of states (who ARE allowed to start things like nat'l healthcare, Dept of Ed, Dept of Energy, Medicare, Welfare, etc), and a strong national defense.
Conservatism is on an ascendency. If the govt is stimulating 1 thing then it is the rebirth of conservatism. Conservative books dominate book sales, AM radio listenership is off the charts, Fox News beats its combined competition, and people are running from dems.
Repubs were written off 2 yrs ago, this year had the highest primary participation since 1970. This isn't to say Repubs cant/wont mess it up. If they don't start cutting govt programs like people demand then they will officially become a 3rd party. As of now they are an unofficial 3rd party if you compare their numbers to the numbers of people who identify with tea party. The minute the tea parties started people should have seen this coming because conservatives aren't known for marches. They're normally too independent-minded to engage in community-organizing.

Nixon found a way to sustain conservatism with the 'Southern Strategy' but all that's done is create hate politics. Reagan furthered the 'tell them what they want to hear' strategy his version of the 'Southern Strategy' by preaching patriotism but basically the arms for hostages deal, budget deficits, racial politics were the end of conservatism. Opportunist like Newt, Bill, Sean will tell you otherwise but the Rep party of today is not Lincoln's or even Goldwater's party.

 

[Gunner]

sourcer: Poltico

Fox hands Williams $2 million contract


Fox News moved swiftly to turn the controversy over Juan Williams’s firing to its advantage, offering him an expanded role and a new three-year contract Thursday morning in a deal that amounts to nearly $2 million, Matea Gold reports.

Roger Ailes took a jab at NPR in the process.

"Juan has been a staunch defender of liberal viewpoints since his tenure began at Fox News in 1997,” he said in a statement. “He’s an honest man whose freedom of speech is protected by Fox News on a daily basis.”

In his new role, Williams will appear more frequently on the network and have a regular column on FoxNews.com.

Mr. Williams did not deserve this. Great author (Enough) enjoyed his book. He is one of the guys who make this country great. May not always agree with him, but wouldn't take anything from him.

 

[actinanass]

NPR has ceased to be relevant since Reagan and GW got involved in it's day-to-day operations.

you do know that I used to listen to NPR regularly until 2004 right?

Constantly, during that time, you will have anti-bush rhetoric on the regular. If its not the war, its the environment, or its evolution. You miss me with that bullshit dude.

Hell, that's one of the reason Rush regain my ear in 2005 was because of NPR's slanted coverage. Yet, from a leftist like yourself, anything that nudges to the right is actually FAR RIGHT, right?

 

[satan]

Nixon found a way to sustain conservatism with the 'Southern Strategy' but all that's done is create hate politics. Reagan furthered the 'tell them what they want to hear' strategy his version of the 'Southern Strategy' by preaching patriotism but basically the arms for hostages deal, budget deficits, racial politics were the end of conservatism. Opportunist like Newt, Bill, Sean will tell you otherwise but the Rep party of today is not Lincoln's or even Goldwater's party.

You named a lot of repubs, but very few conservatives. Nixon was no conservative. Nixon offered Ted Kennedy a compromise on national healthcare as well as other things that Goldwater, a conservative would never do. Ted Kennedy regretted in his autobiography that he didn't accept Nixon's deal. Nixon's southern strategy was a page out of the democrats playbook. You may remember that the democratic party was the stronghold of the Klan. 50 yrs ago southern blacks and many in the north were in the party of Lincoln. Republicans MLK Sr & Jr (yes they were) cut a deal with JFK in which they promised to bring in the black vote (as Al & Jesse do today). As JFK divided the black republican vote, Nixon divided the white democrat vote.

Hate politics was the tool of the left. Democrats once sang "Protect your land! Join the Klan!". The KKK singled out black & white republicans for violence. Unions in this country were founded to protect white workers from black & immigrant labor. Union made goods contained labels reading "this product made by white labor."

When blacks moved left it signaled the death of many black businesses, the black work ethic, and the crippling of the black family...not to mention the high abortion rate...abortions that fund the election of democrats.

 

[SPECTRE1]

The 9/11 hijackers shaved their beards and wore business casual clothes.

He put no thought behind his comments and got fired.

 

[thoughtone]

Mr. Williams did not deserve this. Great author (Enough) enjoyed his book. He is one of the guys who make this country great. May not always agree with him, but wouldn't take anything from him.

Mr. Williams did not deserve this. Great author (Enough) enjoyed his book. He is one of the guys who make this country great. May not always agree with him, but wouldn't take anything from him.

We finally find common ground. Actually, I could care less if Williams was fired. However, this was just an excuse to get rid of him. NPR employs Mara Liasson, who appears on Faux regularly and has made her right of center bias known and Cokie Roberts, a major NPR stand out, has made such statements, intimating her bias against President Obama during the campaign, stating that he is 'exotic" because he is from Hawaii. Have they ever been reprimanded or terminated for their opinions? Of course McCain was born in Panama, which sounds more "exotic" to me on the white people's spectrum of exotic. At least Hawaii is a state!

Williams was never a liberal. The Right call him liberal because he has written extensively about the American Civil Rights movement. If this makes him liberal, then that shows how far right Faux Snooze is. On virtually all other issues, Williams is to the right of the typical African American.

I reiterate, NPR has gone haywire since GW tampered with it.

BTW, you so called freedom of speech activists, where was your out age when ABC canned Bill Maher for saying the the 911 terrorists were "courageous"?

 

[satan]

We finally find common ground. Actually, I could care less if Williams was fired. However, this was just an excuse to get rid of him. NPR employs Mara Liasson, who appears on Faux regularly and has made her right of center bias known and Cokie Roberts, a major NPR stand out, has made such statements, intimating her bias against President Obama during the campaign, stating that he is 'exotic" because he is from Hawaii. Have they ever been reprimanded or terminated for their opinions? Of course McCain was born in Panama, which sounds more "exotic" to me on the white people's spectrum of exotic. At least Hawaii is a state!

Williams was never a liberal. The Right call him liberal because he has written extensively about the American Civil Rights movement. If this makes him liberal, then that shows how far right Faux Snooze is. On virtually all other issues, Williams is to the right of the typical African American.

I reiterate, NPR has gone haywire since GW tampered with it.

BTW, you so called freedom of speech activists, where was your out age when ABC canned Bill Maher for saying the the 911 terrorists were "courageous"?

Maybe Juan was fired for being exotic since he was also born in Panama.

Juan is a social conservative, but fiscally liberal. He has no comprehension of the free market and his views on defense and foreign policy are very liberal.

A lot of journalists don't totally fall into a category and these categories change. Geraldo is a repub but the only thing repub about him is his fascination with the military. His views are a lot like Colin Powell's. 50 yrs ago McCain would be a typical democrat. If Obama was white he wouldda been unelectable 50 yrs ago.

If Bush or any politician can tamper with a news outlet then all the more reason for news outlets not to receive govt funding.

 

[thoughtone]

The govt has no business backing a media outlet. This is or borders on indoctrination. The media is the unofficial fourth branch or fourth estate of govt. It should be independent. Juan may be the closest thing to a conservative on NPR but he's considered a lib on Fox. Hardcore conservatives consider Bill O'Reilly too center.

Outside of the internet conservatives have 2 options, AM radio & Fox. The country has always leaned right so it should be no surprise that they do well. FDR passed The Fairness Doctrine to cripple conservative media. If a conservative wanted to talk then a lib had to be given equal time despite the fact that few wanted to hear the lib. Reagan pulled the plug on it and conservative radio blew up.

If the alphabets (abc, cbs, nbc, cnn,msnbc) were forced by a right wing prez to equally present conservative views then there would be blood in the streets. On Fox you'll see a lib every 15 minutes. You see a conservative on the alphabets and their outnumbered 2 to 1 plus the "unbiased reporter" (I'm talking reporters, not commentators like Hannity) and libs like Mark Lamont Hill that suck up all the time in the segment with polysyllabic adjectives.

Damn these 15 day, revisionist, right wing posters!

 

[Lamarr]

I reiterate, NPR has gone haywire since GW tampered with it.

its Bush's fault! Again

 

[QueEx]

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Question: Is the problem with what Juan said; or where he said it ???
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[nittie]

You named a lot of repubs, but very few conservatives. Nixon was no conservative. Nixon offered Ted Kennedy a compromise on national healthcare as well as other things that Goldwater, a conservative would never do. Ted Kennedy regretted in his autobiography that he didn't accept Nixon's deal. Nixon's southern strategy was a page out of the democrats playbook. You may remember that the democratic party was the stronghold of the Klan. 50 yrs ago southern blacks and many in the north were in the party of Lincoln. Republicans MLK Sr & Jr (yes they were) cut a deal with JFK in which they promised to bring in the black vote (as Al & Jesse do today). As JFK divided the black republican vote, Nixon divided the white democrat vote.

Hate politics was the tool of the left. Democrats once sang "Protect your land! Join the Klan!". The KKK singled out black & white republicans for violence. Unions in this country were founded to protect white workers from black & immigrant labor. Union made goods contained labels reading "this product made by white labor."

When blacks moved left it signaled the death of many black businesses, the black work ethic, and the crippling of the black family...not to mention the high abortion rate...abortions that fund the election of democrats.

There's a lot of truth to what you're saying about Nixon, the old Dem party and Blacks blind loyalty to liberals but that has nothing to do with where conservatives are today or the future of the party.

 

[nittie]

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Question: Is the problem with what Juan said; or where he said it ???
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There's nothing wrong with what Juan said or where he said it the same can be said for Rick Sanchez.

 

[QueEx]

There's nothing wrong with what Juan said or where he said it the same can be said for Rick Sanchez.

You could be right.

I suspect that what Juan said is probably felt by a lot of people, regardless of political stripe. I know I have apprehensions when I see people on airplanes that fit some of the "typical profiles" of could-be terrorist or other crazies. I also know that you can't usually judge the book by simply looking at its cover. But I'll double-down on there are many, many others who feel as I do.

Why do I have that fear? On the one hand, I know that the fear is largely irrational. On the other hand, I know some organizations have avowed to cause harm to innocent people and I know some of those organizations carry-out that harm through Muslims. On another hand, I know that the images that seem to cause me apprehension are shaped and re-shaped in various ways for various reasons by media interests, politicians, and people/groups with an interest.

But, what Juan said also made me wonder: If there is nothing wrong with what Juan Williams said, is there anything wrong with white people who feeling apprehensions when they see or are near, black people ???



QueEx

 

[nittie]

We've become a society where some are too big to fail, some can say and do what they want and to hell with the rest of us.

 

[Liquidheater]

You could be right.

I suspect that what Juan said is probably felt by a lot of people, regardless of political stripe. I know I have apprehensions when I see people on airplanes that fit some of the "typical profiles" of could-be terrorist or other crazies. I also know that you can't usually judge the book by simply looking at its cover. But I'll double-down on there are many, many others who feel as I do.

Why do I have that fear? On the one hand, I know that the fear is largely irrational. On the other hand, I know some organizations have avowed to cause harm to innocent people and I know some of those organizations carry-out that harm through Muslims. On another hand, I know that the images that seem to cause me apprehension are shaped and re-shaped in various ways for various reasons by media interests, politicians, and people/groups with an interest.

But, what Juan said also made me wonder: If there is nothing wrong with what Juan Williams said, is there anything wrong with white people who feeling apprehensions when they see or are near, black people ???



QueEx

If you saw a couple of Muslim children playing on the swing at the park, I doubt if you will be gripped by fear and panic.

If you saw an old Muslim man being admitted to the emergency room with chest pain, I doubt if you will be gripped by fear and panic.

Everything is circumstantial.

Juan's uneasiness is specific. He didn't say that he was freaked out by Muslims in general.

Juan's uneasiness can be liken to my unease about sharks if I had to swim out in the open ocean. I would feel vulnerable in spite of the fact that I know that sharks don't fancy human flesh. Still, sharks have big, sharp teeth that can rip thru my flesh as if it was warm butter.

I understand how a rational person would be uneasy boarding a plane that is to be shared by several muslim men between the ages of 18-44.

Hijacking is a recurring practice utilized by so-called terrorists that are labeled as Muslims. Who would just walk into that situation without any pause or hesitation?

Juan Williams publicly verbalized his reasoned position. Juan Williams is not a public policy maker. He is a journalist and a commentator.

Again, his position was very specific.

If you are some white person that's living in Wyoming, then why would you have a fear of being in the presence of a black person? Any black person that you would see in your area would probably present no danger to you.

On the flipside, if a car load of skin heads crash into the back of van carrying several members of the black panther party then there may be some cause for alarm.

Shit, I am 100% black and proud but I would rather walk down a dark street at night and pass by 2 young Thai females than two young black males. I don't have any reason to fear either pair but I would be more uneasy walking by the young black males.

 

[deputy dawg]

You named a lot of repubs, but very few conservatives. Nixon was no conservative.

Neither was Reagan, if you are willing to be honest. Deficit spending, tax loopholes for the wealthy while starting to tax unemployment benefits as a way to make up for it (imagine, taxing those who are out of work).

When blacks moved left it signaled the death of many black businesses, the black work ethic, and the crippling of the black family...not to mention the high abortion rate...abortions that fund the election of democrats.

Here is that nonsense that conservatives feed on. High abortion rates aren't a Black problem. The complaint about Black people is/was that they have too many babies with unmarried parents. I always wondered why abortion was such a big issue. It's the non-Blacks who find themselves in an inconvenient pregnancy and abort the issue away. Those dirty little secrets y'all live with...

 

[QueEx]

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Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison, D-Minn.</font size><font size="5">

Juan Williams Is "Un-American"
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<font size>"Juan Williams contributes to profiling and harassing Americans,"
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[yureeka9]

Yep, Juan needs to go. He overplayed his stroke by making it about an entire religion instead of some crazy individuals. Next time that fool will choose his words more carefully.