Koch Industries Applies For Federal Funds From Health Care Law It Opposes

[thoughtone]

Republican hypocrisy has no bounds.

source: Think Progress

Today, the Department of Health and Human Services announced the “first round of applicants accepted into the Early Retiree Reinsurance Program,” a $5 billion program established by the new health care law to help employers and states “maintain coverage for early retirees age 55 and older who are not yet eligible for Medicare.” According to the agency, “nearly 2,000 employers, representing large and small businesses, State and local governments, educational institutions, non-profits, and unions” applied and have been accepted into the program and “will begin to receive reimbursements for employee claims this fall.” Ironically, one of those employers is the oil, chemicals, and manufacturing conglomerate Koch Industries, which as Lee Fang has reported, has also spent millions of dollars opposing reform:




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The contradictory practice of opposing the health care law while applying for its funding has been common among states. As the Wonk Room points out, 19 of the 22 states that are suing the federal government over health care reform have applied for the law’s rate review grants and at least 7 of those states also applied for the reinsurance dollars.

 

[QueEx]

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What? You posted this story last night and the "usuals" haven't leaped in to comment yet ? ? ? I can't believe that!</FONT SIZE> <font size="1">Stop lying, yes you can.</font size>

QueEx

 

[thoughtone]

What? You posted this story last night and the "usuals" haven't leaped in to comment yet ? ? ? I can't believe that! Stop lying, yes you can.

QueEx

I guess they didn't understand the question.

How can you credibly defend hypocrisy?

 

[Gunner]

You two are laughable. Most CEO's of corporations can care less about who is in office almost like soldiers their life and job is not predicated on who is in office they have a job to do period. Obviously its in their best interest to keep their company afloat. They wouldn't be applying for a damn thing if they didn't have to protect themselves from your leaders policies Mr. Thought. Did you ever question that if this company goes under how many jobs would be lost? How many more homes would be foreclosed on? How many more smaller companies that rely on this company will feel the lost to their bottom line?

That idiot president of yours has the majority votes and is still blaming republicans. He wants republicans to rubber stamp his shit so they too can have blood on their hands come election season. Just so you all can say they voted for it too. Not gonna happen!!! WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT!!!

Your definition of hypocrisy is silly. You guys love it when someone who tries to stand for something falls prey to temptation. At least they tried to stand and didn't just get in line like ACORN and the rest.

If he is really trying to help the poor, why is it that his bill only goes into effect when its time for his reelection? People are denied today, People are dying today not 2 years from now!!!
You credibly defend or retort that shit!! QUETHOUGHT

 

[QueEx]

You two are laughable. Most CEO's of corporations can care less about who is in office almost like soldiers their life and job is not predicated on who is in office they have a job to do period.

<font size="3">Are YOU a corporate CEO ???</font size> (with "personal knowledge" of what a Corporate CEO thinks)

<font size="3">OR,

Are you Miss Cleo ??? </font size> with a lil fake crystal ball - trying to tell people what other people think ? ? ?

QueEx

 

[Upgrade Dave]

You two are laughable. Most CEO's of corporations can care less about who is in office almost like soldiers their life and job is not predicated on who is in office they have a job to do period.

That may be true but the Koch brothers definitely care and put a significant portion of their money behind their causes.

Obviously its in their best interest to keep their company afloat. They wouldn't be applying for a damn thing if they didn't have to protect themselves from your leaders policies Mr. Thought. Did you ever question that if this company goes under how many jobs would be lost? How many more homes would be foreclosed on? How many more smaller companies that rely on this company will feel the lost to their bottom line?

They applied to protect themselves from Obama's (I'm guessing that is who you're referring to)policies? Then why fight against health care reform if you think your company (and companies like yours) will need/can use it? Just out of self preservation, they should have been supporting, using your reasoning.

That idiot president of yours has the majority votes and is still blaming republicans. He wants republicans to rubber stamp his shit so they too can have blood on their hands come election season. Just so you all can say they voted for it too. Not gonna happen!!! WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT!!!

I've never heard or seen the President ask Republicans to rubberstamp anything but it very strange for them to fight so hard against ideas that they used to support as recently as the last Presidential election. To pretend like Republican obstructionism is blameless in much of the stagnation in Washington just isn't reality. Not saying it the only thing (Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln are supposedly Democrats) but it does exist and is a factor.
Plus getting votes in the houses of Congress isn't the President's job, it's the Speaker's, the Whip's, and the Senate leader's.

Your definition of hypocrisy is silly. You guys love it when someone who tries to stand for something falls prey to temptation. At least they tried to stand and didn't just get in line like ACORN and the rest.

ACORN stood for helping poor people and trying to get more poor, working class, and disenfranchised into the political game. I don't see what line they got in.
Is it reflexive for Republicans to hate such an organization?

If he is really trying to help the poor, why is it that his bill only goes into effect when its time for his reelection? People are denied today, People are dying today not 2 years from now!!!
You credibly defend or retort that shit!! QUETHOUGHT

Many provisions went into effect immediately and they've been gradually coming in and most would be well in effect before 2012.

 

[Gunner]

<font size="3">Are YOU a corporate CEO ???</font size> (with "personal knowledge" of what a Corporate CEO thinks)

<font size="3">OR,

Are you Miss Cleo ??? </font size> with a lil fake crystal ball - trying to tell people what other people think ? ? ?

QueEx

Boy you are slipping. What company doesn't want to protect their interest Que? Aren't you a business owner? If you owned an insurance company and Obama care had a potential to put a dent in your bottom line, would you keep silent or back candidates who protect your interest.

Kinda like those on welfare who are trapped into the democratic utopia of forty acres and a mule. Who would they vote for dems or repubs?

 

[thoughtone]

Boy you are slipping. What company doesn't want to protect their interest Que? Aren't you a business owner? If you owned an insurance company and Obama care had a potential to put a dent in your bottom line, would you keep silent or back candidates who protect your interest.

Kinda like those on welfare who are trapped into the democratic utopia of forty acres and a mule. Who would they vote for dems or repubs?

This proves that the right believe in fascism more than democracy.

Case closed!

source: Mussolini on the Corporate State

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

 

[Gunner]

This proves that the right believe in fascism more than democracy.

Case closed!

source: Mussolini on the Corporate State

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

Liberal translation: I have no ability to retort the race card can't be used in this situation. Ad hominem attack.

 

[thoughtone]

Liberal translation: I have no ability to retort the race card can't be used in this situation. Ad hominem attack.

You're commentary are as ridiculous as your hero's, Glenn Beck.

 

[Gunner]

You're commentary are as ridiculous as your hero's, Glenn Beck.

Glen Beck, Seriously, if Obama was doing a good job, Beck would be an after Thought. Which is why you and the other useful idiots who fell for hope and change are trying so hard to demonize any and everything affiliated with the republican party. If Palin gets into your ass next week you guys jump on her. Then the poli board will be filled with Palin hate. Liberals are predictable. Thought, be honest you're not happy with Obama either, but I don't expect you to say that. Having said that, you better get ready for the reality check that is coming to a voter booth near you.

You can't point to shit he has done that you are proud of! Everything congress has done has added big time to the deficit. This is your one term president, own it. All of the polls show independents running from Obama. Hell even liberal media outlets see this train coming.

Which is why the board has been filled with racism posts and rehashed arguments by your dad. Good day!

 

[thoughtone]

Glen Beck, Seriously, if Obama was doing a good job, Beck would be an after Thought. Which is why you and the other useful idiots who fell for hope and change are trying so hard to demonize any and everything affiliated with the republican party. If Palin gets into your ass next week you guys jump on her. Then the poli board will be filled with Palin hate. Liberals are predictable. Thought, be honest you're not happy with Obama either, but I don't expect you to say that. Having said that, you better get ready for the reality check that is coming to a voter booth near you.

You can't point to shit he has done that you are proud of! Everything congress has done has added big time to the deficit. This is your one term president, own it. All of the polls show independents running from Obama. Hell even liberal media outlets see this train coming.

Which is why the board has been filled with racism posts and rehashed arguments by your dad. Good day!

The only one that mentioned race on this thread was Gunner!

 

[Lamarr]

Thought, be honest you're not happy with Obama either, but I don't expect you to say that.

You can't point to shit he has done that you are proud of!

that struck a nerve, i'm sure!

Everything congress has done has added big time to the deficit.

I'm not sure the people of the nation understand the consequences of running such a large deficit (no pass to Bush either!). kinda why Keynesians support a larger or an additional stimulus, illogical

 

[thoughtone]

Glen Beck, Seriously, if Obama was doing a good job, Beck would be an after Thought. Which is why you and the other useful idiots who fell for hope and change are trying so hard to demonize any and everything affiliated with the republican party. If Palin gets into your ass next week you guys jump on her. Then the poli board will be filled with Palin hate. Liberals are predictable. Thought, be honest you're not happy with Obama either, but I don't expect you to say that. Having said that, you better get ready for the reality check that is coming to a voter booth near you.

You can't point to shit he has done that you are proud of! Everything congress has done has added big time to the deficit. This is your one term president, own it. All of the polls show independents running from Obama. Hell even liberal media outlets see this train coming.

Which is why the board has been filled with racism posts and rehashed arguments by your dad. Good day!

You can't point to shit he has done that you are proud of! Everything congress has done has added big time to the deficit. This is your one term president, own it. All of the polls show independents running from Obama. Hell even liberal media outlets see this train coming.

Short list:

1. Signed an executive order on government contrast waste and spending-http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/economy_in_government_contracting >br>

2. Signed into law the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, giving women equal pay to men- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtKAKlurRAY

3. Renewed dialogue with NATO and allies on strategy issues- http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/04/04/Afghanistan-and-NATO

4. Announced plan to end war in Iraq (and we're on track for it. too!) - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/28/w...ws/2010/apr/18/general-withdrawal-iraq-track/

5. Provided funding to families of fallen soldiers to defray expenses for them when the body arrives at Dover AFB- http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/pentagon-will-help-families/

6. Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7986203.stm

7. Signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, which is responsible for saving and/or creating 2.1 million jobs- http://www.recovery.gov/About/Pages/The_Act.aspx

8. Launched the Recovery.org website to show where your tax dollars are going, giving transparency to government- http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx

9. Making Home Affordable plan- http://www.makinghomeaffordable.gov/

10. Launched a $15 billion plan to help small businesses- http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-to-small-business-owners

11. Investing in education programs to both provide jobs now and for the future- http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/education

12. Gave the VA $1.4 billion to improve services for veterans programs- http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/veterans

13. Signed in law to SChip law to help underprivileged children be covered by health insurance- http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/veterans

14. Repealed Bush's restrictions on stem cell research- http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/09/obama-administration-stem-cell-funding

15. Ended the stop-loss program which made soldiers serve as many as 4 tours in war- http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123741885685978043.html

16. Signed into law the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the way the Pentagon acquires weapons-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_Systems_Acquisition_Reform_Act_of_2009

17. Signed into law the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act, giving the authority to investigate and prosecute fraud in the lending industry which led to the financial meltdown- http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/05/obama-signs-hou.html

18. Signed into law the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act to help families on the verge of foreclosure keep their homes- http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/05/obama-signs-hou.html

19. Started laying out a plan for Mexico-US border security- http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press...olicy-A-Comprehensive-Response-and-Commitment

20. Announced strategy to deal with international nuclear threat- http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-By-President-Barack-Obama-In-Prague-As-Delivered

21. Improved the Freedom of Information Act, giving it more transparency- http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Freedom_of_Information_Act

22. Signed into law the Credit Card Accountability. Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, putting the brake on sleazy practices of credit care companies and protecting consumers- http://www.newsunfiltered.com/archives/2010/02/pew_finds_credi.html

23. Endorsed the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009 which puts the brakes on offshore tax havens- http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-03-26-body-armor_x.htm

24. Helped reverse the DOW from around 8000 when Bush left to the biggest weekly gain in a year on July 9, 2010-http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/nyse/stocks-climb-again-posting-the-biggest-weekly-gain-in-a-year/19548493/

25. Provided a tax cut to 95% American workers- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/only-12-of-americans-thin_n_460559.html

26. Cracked down on companies denying their workers sick leave, pay, and insurance and also avoiding paying Social Security, Medicare and unemployment taxes- http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/business/18workers.html

27. Increased funding for pell grants, providing more low income students with access to college funds- http://www.ourfuture.org/report/2009031325/obama-s-budget-supporting-students-not-banks

28. Signed into law the Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act, enabling better care for veterans- http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press...ealth-Care-Budget-Reform-and-Transparency-Act

29. Launched an investigation against Anthem Blue Cross over their jacking premiums up by 39%... pressure on Anthem cause them to reverse itself- http://www.cleveland.com/nation/ind...m-blue-cross-rate-request-saving-californian/
http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/04/30/anthem-blue-cross-rate-request-saving-californian/

30. Extended unemployment benefits for over 2 million people by 20 weeks in November 2009- http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/04/30/anthem-blue-cross-rate-request-saving-californian/

31. Created the American recovery and Reinvestment Act which has saved/created more than 2 million jobs and improved the economy by 3.5%- http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2311303720100223

32. Economic policies helped unemployment drop to 9.5%. More jobs started opening up and hiring and joblessness dropped dramatically from over 700,000 on January 20, 2009, to 125,000 in June, 2010... Most of these job losses are attributed to temporary Census workers not doing the Census anymore. Jobs, being a lagging indicator (Economics 101), jobs are ALWAYS the last thing to improve in any economy.

33. Seven of ten economic indicators have improved, showing signs that the economy has and continues to improve-
http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...ndicators-index-in-u-s-rose-1-4-in-march.html

34. Allocated funding to help fireman and police officers save their jobs, thus keeping communities safer- http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ncrease-funding-for-local-emergency-planning/

35. strengthened the Endangered Species Act- http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ncrease-funding-for-local-emergency-planning/

36. Launched a criminal and civil investigation into the Gulf oil spill- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/01/bp-criminal-investigation_n_596626.html

37. Did NOT apologize to BP for making them take responsibility for the mess they created, as the GOP has done. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/06/17/2010-06-
17_texas_rep_joe_barton_apologizes_to_bp_ceo_tony_hayward_over_white_houses_20_bill.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/17/gop-outraged-by-shakedown_n_615686.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100708/ap_on_el_se/us_gulf_oil_spill_gop_candidate

38. Did NOT suggest that taxpayers foot the bill for the spill instead of BP like John Boehner, Michele Bachmann, Tom Donohoe and other GOPers think we should.
http://www.ex-christian.net/index.p...epublican-tax-payers-should-pay-for-bps-mess/
http://www.businessinsider.com/boehner-bp-2010-6

39. Gave tax credits for first time homeowners through the Worker, Homeownership and Business Assistance Act- http://www.federalhousingtaxcredit.com/

40. Did NOT screw over out of work Americans by blocking the extension of unemployment benefits in June of 2010-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/30/unemployment-jobless-fails-senate_n_631710.htmlFor even more, click here: http://simplifythepositive.blogspot.com/2010/03/100-accomplishments-of-president-barack.html


NOW POST 10 THINGS GW HAS DONE THAT YOU ARE PROUD OFF!!!!

I'm waiting.

that struck a nerve, i'm sure!

Lamarr, post Ron Paul's record.

 

[Greed]

You're definitely showing you have no mind of your own.

Why would you copy/paste that nonsense?

 

[thoughtone]

You're definitely showing you have no mind of your own.

Why would you copy/paste that nonsense?

Because the so called "liberal media" seems to have such an influenced on your type!

Greed, post GW's accomplishments!

 

[Greed]

He has none and neither does Obama. None of us are more free than we were 10 years prior. Therefore, both get a failing grade.

 

[thoughtone]

He has none and neither does Obama. None of us are more free than we were 10 years prior. Therefore, both get a failing grade.

Healthcare, out of Iraq, student loans. reversal of the republican recession. Are you dense?

 

[Greed]

Healthcare, out of Iraq, student loans. reversal of the republican recession. Are you dense?

We're not out of Iraq. The recession has not been declared reverse, only bottomed out. And like all liberals you completely ignore that all your bright ideas have cost and someone had to pay for a government that wants to subsidize healthcare and student loans. Let alone the outright mandate to be covered or face a government enforced penalty.

We can let others judge which of us is the dense one.

 

[Lamarr]

Lamarr, post Ron Paul's record.

Only because you asked;

* He has never voted to raise taxes.
* He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
* He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
* He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
* He has never taken a government-paid junket.
* He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
* He voted against the Patriot Act. Did Obama?
* He voted against regulating the Internet.
* He voted against the Iraq war.
* He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
* He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

 

[thoughtone]

We're not out of Iraq. The recession has not been declared reverse, only bottomed out. And like all liberals you completely ignore that all your bright ideas have cost and someone had to pay for a government that wants to subsidize healthcare and student loans. Let alone the outright mandate to be covered or face a government enforced penalty.

We can let others judge which of us is the dense one.

You conservatives


Like all conservatives you completely ignore that all your bright ideas have flipped us (USA) from being the greatest creditor nation in the history of the world to the greatest debtor nation in the history of the world. You are dense because your historical memory is short or non existent at best.