I don't agree with this at all
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Well....Followup...I mean that is your opinion, cant knock that.
Here is mine: Maybe they dont want the physical act of sex with a man to have a baby. Maybe something happened in their life that they do not want to be touched by a man, but want a child..Negating the not wanting dick but what it has to offer??? I dunno...I have more of a problem w/ the pic because of the stud in it. You dont want a man, but a woman that looks like one??
I AM NOT ATTRACTED TO STUDS! I like man-ly men and ultra feminine women.
Here is mine: Maybe they dont want the physical act of sex with a man to have a baby. Maybe something happened in their life that they do not want to be touched by a man, but want a child..Negating the not wanting dick but what it has to offer??? I dunno...I have more of a problem w/ the pic because of the stud in it. You dont want a man, but a woman that looks like one??
I AM NOT ATTRACTED TO STUDS! I like man-ly men and ultra feminine women.
they can always adopt...I have no issue with her being with a stud. Every woman is not meant to be feminine or girly. But to get pregnant is something that happens between a man and a woman. Hell, I don't even have an issue with a kid having 2 mommies or 2 daddies.
Ayyyyye it's your opinion ladybug. That was mine
Edit: UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH AND HER PANTS ARE SAGGING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH AND HER PANTS ARE SAGGING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with Follow. There's too many kids in this world already without parents for individuals that never contemplated coming close to a dick but want the rewards of it....
You can change a kids life by making him/her your own and taking them out of the situation of growing up in foster care or an orphanage...
You can change a kids life by making him/her your own and taking them out of the situation of growing up in foster care or an orphanage...
yeah, it's a discussionAyyyyye it's your opinion ladybug. That was mine
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Every year AfroFest here in Toronto is when aaaalllllll the lesbian black couples come out and its always a femme, butch and a whole heap of kids ... they have so many kids, damn
I dont really view gay people as having kids as a good thing ... it takes a mna and a woman to make the child for a reason ... but I dont hate it or bash them cuz of it, its everyone choice and I understand someones biological clock ticking whether they are gay or straight ... I just hope they have some sort of a male role model there for the child for a balance
And yeah I might adopt
I dont really view gay people as having kids as a good thing ... it takes a mna and a woman to make the child for a reason ... but I dont hate it or bash them cuz of it, its everyone choice and I understand someones biological clock ticking whether they are gay or straight ... I just hope they have some sort of a male role model there for the child for a balance
And yeah I might adopt
I think everyone should that can afford it. I even think it should be mandatory that before you go looking for a fucking "exotic" baby from Cambodia, Uganda, or India, you should adopt an underprivileged child/baby from the U.S.
If you can adopt a baby of color from another part of the world, what makes it undesirable to adopt a baby of color from the U.S.?
Well, I think a lot of hetero people are terrible parents and can not provide for their children, so as long as they can raise the children lovingly I'm ok with it. But yeah, the children need that balance and a butch woman can never be the same as a man.
I agree with this
That's what puzzles me too?
I don't get that at all.Absolutely! People will go to extraordinary measures to have children like IVF but not consider adoption. I think the drive to have a biological child is just really strong in some people.
I hope to adopt one day.
I dont understand some lesbians at all. Why be with a man looking chick if you like women? And why use a dildo if you swear you dont like dick?
And I agree with Lone...if they gonna have kids, there needs to be a male role model or something cuz 2 women cant show a child how men and women are supposed to interact.
And I agree with Lone...if they gonna have kids, there needs to be a male role model or something cuz 2 women cant show a child how men and women are supposed to interact.
This is interesting. Do you know the women in this pic? I seriously doubt they went to a sperm bank. Odds are the girls is bisexual, she was with a guy 6 months ago, broke up with him is pregnant and got with this stud. It happens a LOT with all these folks under 30.
Now if 2 women do decide to have a child, then what's wrong with them doing it by birth? people often make this weird leap of logic because they're used to things in a hetero manner. And when people do that they place their thinking onto everyone else.
Just because i like to have sex with women, and be in a relationship with a woman. Does not mean she stops being a woman. Because i don't want a man does not mean i STOP being a woman. Meaning, i still have a desire to birth children. I still have the physical make up of a woman. Just like we all do.
Lesbians, SGL's, Bi's don't cease having the same anatomical processes just because they're not with a male.
The issue isn't the "dick". The issue is the male that cames along with the dick.
Now if 2 women do decide to have a child, then what's wrong with them doing it by birth? people often make this weird leap of logic because they're used to things in a hetero manner. And when people do that they place their thinking onto everyone else.
Just because i like to have sex with women, and be in a relationship with a woman. Does not mean she stops being a woman. Because i don't want a man does not mean i STOP being a woman. Meaning, i still have a desire to birth children. I still have the physical make up of a woman. Just like we all do.
Lesbians, SGL's, Bi's don't cease having the same anatomical processes just because they're not with a male.
The issue isn't the "dick". The issue is the male that cames along with the dick.
Very few studs are really REALLY masculine. Most of them just come off that way in public. Don't get fooled by the outer appearance. Many of them dress and behave like that to just attract femmes. They're still very feminine.
Sexuality when viewed through the western perception is very messed up. Many times people just judge what they see instead of actually taking the time to get to know.
Many lesbian couples with kids already come with a daddy attached. A few get together and then decide to get a child. Believe it or not MOST lesbians who have children actually do have some sense to them and do know that men are needed in a childs world in some form or another. Whether this be, uncle, father, cousin.
Sexuality when viewed through the western perception is very messed up. Many times people just judge what they see instead of actually taking the time to get to know.
Many lesbian couples with kids already come with a daddy attached. A few get together and then decide to get a child. Believe it or not MOST lesbians who have children actually do have some sense to them and do know that men are needed in a childs world in some form or another. Whether this be, uncle, father, cousin.
They dress and act like men to attract lesbians? hmmm...so it's the masculine quality that is attracting the women?
well that is not my business and not the focus of why I opened the thread. 
So if they have the make up of a woman, and the desire to have a child and they know how children are made...? So then you are advocating that people CHOOSE to be gay and lesbian, even when their body is telling them otherwise? I believe most are born that way and another few choose to be that way. But either way I don't think they should get pregnant. I find it ridiculous and hypocritical.
They dress and act like men to attract lesbians? hmmm...so it's the masculine quality that is attracting the women?
So if they have the make up of a woman, and the desire to have a child and they know how children are made...? So then you are advocating that people CHOOSE to be gay and lesbian, even when their body is telling them otherwise? I believe most are born that way and another few choose to be that way. But either way I don't think they should get pregnant. I find it ridiculous and hypocritical.
Yes, it's strange to you, but lesbians, "some" lesbians like masculinity without the male. Now how is 1 to get masculinity without the male other than to dress and sort of a play the part?
Advocating. Hmmm. I'm not sure i'm understanding how you're meaning this. And it's not a choice. How i feel. It's not a choice how i desire. It's a choice on how i ACT on those feelings or desires. But not the desires themselves. I have no choice in that.
It's natural for most women to want children is all i'm saying. Biology for that is still there. Children does not mean HAVE to be with a male. I can have children without the male. Males have been showing us that for going on 40 years now.
Because i prefer the company of a woman, does not mean my ovaries stop working. It doesn't mean your body stops producing progesterone and estrogen. It just means....i don't want a man in my life. To share my life with.
Now let me also say this. I disagree with uhm the way families are set up in america. I don't like it. Screw it i'll say it. I think it's COMPLETELY screwed up. Children are not placed in front. People are selfish. They don't put the needs of the family first.
Sexuality is funny that way, many lesbians are doing males on the low. I don't believe there's really any such thing as a pure HOMOSEXUAL or a Pure HETERO. I just don't. Everyone's bi to certain degrees. Especially women. And yes i know people will be like, oh you just want it that way. No i don't.
Throughout history and early civilizations women have always been close and could be intimate with each other. They've always been able to maintain a home with each other, while their husbands have been off somewhere doing something else.
My family is like that now. We're all here for the children and taking care of the children. A father is VERY important in a family unit. Many of my friends who are lesbian have living arrangements that are conducive to child rearing. If i had my way i'd have had my husband live forever.
Sexuality is funny that way, many lesbians are doing males on the low. I don't believe there's really any such thing as a pure HOMOSEXUAL or a Pure HETERO. I just don't. Everyone's bi to certain degrees. Especially women. And yes i know people will be like, oh you just want it that way. No i don't.
Throughout history and early civilizations women have always been close and could be intimate with each other. They've always been able to maintain a home with each other, while their husbands have been off somewhere doing something else.
My family is like that now. We're all here for the children and taking care of the children. A father is VERY important in a family unit. Many of my friends who are lesbian have living arrangements that are conducive to child rearing. If i had my way i'd have had my husband live forever.
I dont fall for the "its the male that comes with the dick" because those studs are just as jealous and put some of these women through just as much shit as any man would.
Thank you
And no most people are not bisexual. Human beings and other animals are not wired like that. Being born homosexual/bisexual is the minority. Those who CHOOSE to be with men and women are an even smaller minority.
EDIT: yes there have always been people of the same sex with each other, but it always the minority. a very small minority
Studs don't come with testicles. They have breasts. Studs don't sit there and argue with you about what they think logic is. They usually know what you're feeling emotionally. The benefits of being with a woman, i don't have to tell you ....for instance. That thread that Followup made about telling men stuff from women?
Well as a woman i don't need to tell my wife that stuff. She already knows. There are benefits to both. It just depends.
Thank you
And no most people are not bisexual. Human beings and other animals are not wired like that. Being born homosexual/bisexual is the minority. Those who CHOOSE to be with men and women are an even smaller minority.
EDIT: yes there have always been people of the same sex with each other, but it always the minority. a very small minority
There's an increase in people exploring their sexuality in these 2000's. Because it's something that's always been there. In my younger days i spent alot of time with older women who had been living their lives basically in hiding. More people have same sex desires than you'll ever know.
the hell are you talking about?
forget I said anything.
I see what just happened there...
Anyway.
I don't like studs. It confuses me. If you are going that far then just have your ovaries removed. And yes Onyx I didn't understand the sagging thing either. I think LI said what I was going to say about a woman just wanting to be pregnant and have the child physically. It is probably the best feeling in the world to carry and birth a child. Just because you are gay doesn't mean that you should be denied that joy if you can make it happen...even if that is through a bank, a male friend, previous relationship, whatever.
But LI you bring up a curiosity in me. You said that a lot of studs go and act that way to attract a female. But a female may want the masculinity without the male, (If I'm wrong correct me, I'm tired). What I don't understand is what happens when they get in a relationship and chick realizes the stud isn't the 'man' they thought she was? or how far does a woman really have to go to be masculine just to get another female?
Ok my head hurt trying to wrap around that.
Anyway.
I don't like studs. It confuses me. If you are going that far then just have your ovaries removed. And yes Onyx I didn't understand the sagging thing either. I think LI said what I was going to say about a woman just wanting to be pregnant and have the child physically. It is probably the best feeling in the world to carry and birth a child. Just because you are gay doesn't mean that you should be denied that joy if you can make it happen...even if that is through a bank, a male friend, previous relationship, whatever.
But LI you bring up a curiosity in me. You said that a lot of studs go and act that way to attract a female. But a female may want the masculinity without the male, (If I'm wrong correct me, I'm tired). What I don't understand is what happens when they get in a relationship and chick realizes the stud isn't the 'man' they thought she was? or how far does a woman really have to go to be masculine just to get another female?
Ok my head hurt trying to wrap around that.
Simple, the United States makes it much more difficult, time consuming, and expensive to adopt any kid. Including those of color.
It's JUST like when you get with a guy who isn't what you thought he was. By the time you really get shown who he is you've already gotten yourself in a relationship with him and you've already gotten those feelings involved.
I have 3 friends going through this right now. They're femmes and they're studs have been wanting to let their femme side go a little bit. The problem is what i call role playing. When you role play like that when do you get to be yourself? As you grow in age and experience you're going to get tired of playing.
The issue comes from no role models. You grow up a gay girl you don't have anyone to pattern yourself off of. You have girls with their girly dresses and their girly ways. And the only other role model you have are males. You don't feel like the 1 the only other direction you have...are GUYS. And it goes for females too. You want that dominant feeling from your mate. But you don't like guys. So what do you have to choose from?
So studs dress and act like guys, even though they still have decidedly female leanings.
HA i say pickings are slim for good black men? Pickings are REALLY slim for femme women who only want to be with another femme.
Huh
I feel you on what you said...but somehow I just feel there is a disconnect in some of that. It almost sounds like a pandemic identity crisis...I mean if I'm going to pattern myself off of something to make myself attractive, I'd want to emulate what my target likes, right? So either these studs that are lying to themselves are crazy or the chicks they fucking is crazy cause they really want a man but they gotta stay gay.
My head hurt again.
Oh and
at the bold. Shol could have fooled me.
Huh
I feel you on what you said...but somehow I just feel there is a disconnect in some of that. It almost sounds like a pandemic identity crisis...I mean if I'm going to pattern myself off of something to make myself attractive, I'd want to emulate what my target likes, right? So either these studs that are lying to themselves are crazy or the chicks they fucking is crazy cause they really want a man but they gotta stay gay.
My head hurt again.
Oh and
It's a CRAZY identity crisis. Just CRAZY. I have a few stud friends and talking with a few of them over the years it's just getting them to see that, hey i don't have to be this way. I don't have to act this way. Just first getting them to even acknowledge how they're acting and behaving isn't "just them". Is a feat all it's own. Then to actually get them to the point of awareness that They can accept themselves without having to identify with the labels. It's a mess.
You try to make yourself appealing to her. And you take on that persona of this. And you're confused and you don't know why, and it's all a big pain in the butt. All because this world is just designed to make it so people aren't comfortable with YOU. Or comfortable with themselves. So they gotta pick on you.
But honestly their problems and issues are really no different than many others. They get ostracized and scrutinized and made villains and reviled because of who they are just like lots of us for any other reasons.
I was LONG cast stones at because i was married, but i didn't fit into the bisexual box that people would want to put me in. I didn't act that way or follow what they did. I didn't fit into the "lesbian" box either. So i got stones thrown at me for that. And then i only wanted to be with femme women. And you come up with all these people trying to tell you what you SHOULD be like.
It's like people telling you, you can't watch the korean dramas. You'd have to ask why? You like them. They entertain you. They're not hurting anyone. So why can't you watch them? Why can't you just be happy? Why do you have to abide by their rules?
And yes ma'am. It's very true. Finding a femme + femme couple is like finding a needle in a haystack. There's some. But we're few and far between. It's a funny dichotomy because, the nature of studs, aggressives. Is to be ...... aggressive. The nature of feminine women is to be...passive. If you put a whole bunch of passive women together nobody's going to approach anyone else. It's rare.
So you get the aggressives out there and they approach the passives. And snatch them up, and get to chatting and talking and then BAM. All those emotions fly together and they've moved in with each other by the 2nd date. Bam, you're in a relationship. With somebody you really didn't want to be with REALLY...to begin with. But alot of women, this goes for straight women too. Will settle just because they 'have somebody."
Yeah, pregnancy naturally occurs between a man woman but what hard rule or social norm precludes a woman from unilaterally choosing to have a kid on her own? And even if said rules exists (and they do in some places...that was just a rhetorical question by the way) how coherent and consistent are they across the spectrum of other social endeavors? For example, the so-called sanctity of the male-female family structure in the US that's "threatened" by homosexuality to the extent that it's a major political issue while divorces and the single-parent/ separated dual-custody "family" structure is as American and apple pie and damn near celebrated. Also, what would you say is the official use of the dick/pussy and ow does the logic of your argument address masturbation?
There's a lot of thing that should, in principle, happen between men and women but lets not conflate biology with sociology. Just my thoughts.
As opposed to which other perspectives? Just curious.
Again, I think you're conflating issues here. I think the dissonance that's leading you to see this as hypocritical originates from you bifurcating the issue. People aren't simply (a) born gay and (b) choose to be gay. There's a REAL interplay of physiological and psychological correlates as well as societal influences that make it a lot less simple. You should know this Follow.
What?! I say it's the other way round. Heck, childhood and teenage-hood are coddled, celebrated and worshiped in America if anything.
Can you explain?
Pretty general sweeping statement, no?
Well, I will hold my opinions of straight women who bring a child into the world without any male input (single and going to the sperm bank or whatever), but you can probably guess what I am going to say. Either way, I know women can get pregnant even if they are gay, but that does not make it right in my mind. I could see if they are bisexual, but you claim that you want to be with women only--do it!! I also don't agree with the divorce rates in this country and how easy it is to get married and divorced. And that's not even giving my opinion on marriage. Yeah sexuality is on a spectrum, but if you are decidedly on one end, then....
stay there! LOL
lol. ok.Well, I will hold my opinions of straight women who bring a child into the world without any male input (single and going to the sperm bank or whatever), but you can probably guess what I am going to say. Either way, I know women can get pregnant even if they are gay, but that does not make it right in my mind. I could see if they are bisexual, but you claim that you want to be with women only--do it!! I also don't agree with the divorce rates in this country and how easy it is to get married and divorced. And that's not even giving my opinion on marriage. Yeah sexuality is on a spectrum, but if you are decidedly on one end, then....
how you doing by the way?
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