Diddy Says He Never Robbed Or Mistreated His Former Artist

[soulcontroller]

Bring light to the masses. The Music industry is an unregulated shell game. There are no rules and no such thing as a standard contract.
It's basically an artists perogative to fuck the label for as much money as possible before the label fucks them because there never is a good and equitable business agreement in music.

Someone has to come out on top. Labels have a team of salted and savy business people working to make sure this happens with each artist they sign.

And who does the artist have, themselves and a shoestring lawyer (because they can't afford high price powerbroker yet) and if they're stupid, their man's n 'em working as managers and advisors.

C/S Thats why its hard to believe these nobody ass rappers talking about how much bread they got when they getting fucked over with these contracts and will disappeared once the next new "hot" song drops. Wash and rinse...

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Diddy fucked over everybody.

They either went to jail / broke or dead

 

[unknownsoldier]

Mark Curry story always strikes me as funny because you got a book worth of foul shit, yet you stayed around 10 years? Like come on man.

It shouldn't, he explain his situation & the things that were going on his personal life that made him go back each time. He owns up to his short-comings or what have you. Its not just a blame game.

The problem is that cats like Puff sell signing to the label like its different from standard industry practices. They sell dreams of "family", no more struggles, cohesion, etc...instead of running the shit like a music label. It swings both ways, you can't be all out in the forefront when the light shining then go hide with niggas are critical of you. Kevin Liles ran a couple labels, where are his horror stories??

And who does the artist have, themselves and a shoestring lawyer (because they can't afford high price powerbroker yet) and if they're stupid, their man's n 'em working as managers and advisors.

That's real as fuck.

 

[keone]

The problem is that cats like Puff sell signing to the label like its different from standard industry practices. They sell dreams of "family", no more struggles, cohesion, etc...instead of running the shit like a music label. It swings both ways, you can't be all out in the forefront when the light shining then go hide with niggas are critical of you. Kevin Liles ran a couple labels, where are his horror stories??

bingo

 

[youngholla]

Look, I've been in the business. From 01 - 07. Everyone knows signing with Diddy was like singing with the devil. Whereas most majors will fuck you over in front of your face, Diddy was more like slow fucking you without you even realizing it.


Half his artists ended up owing Bad Boy money after the recoupment.


Puffy was triple, quadrupling, and quintuple dipping them. You see he knew the mechanics and dollars and cents of the business better than his artists, using this knowledge to profit immensely from their naivety.

I want you to follow the dips with me:

(1) If the track was going to be hot, he'd force them to write in a part for himself or he would do that angry babbling, talking, and screaming shit so Puffy could be on the track "to make it hotter." But then Puffy would charge a performance fee to his artist budget; the same budget he provided, but which in most cases was money he got from his distributor/major label Bad Boy signed to (i.e. Jive, Sony, etc.)!

(2) As perfromer, Puffy would then collect a performance royalty on every record sold or played on the radio, at a club (through BMG commerical license), in a movie, etc. whether his part aired or not.

(3) Since Puffy took executive producer credit for anything coming out of Bad Boy, he would also take executive producer royalty points on each album sold.

(4) If there were cars or location shoots, Puffy would make his artist use the cars or boats he owned and then charge the rental fee back to his artist's budget.

(5) Puffy made most Bad Boy artists sign to his publishing company, and as such he'd retained exclusive publishing and performance rights to all songs and the profit and royalties generated from it after the artist got their %.

Lox even said, "All About The Benjamins," - Puff Daddy made more money off that song than they did! And they wrote the fucking song and Puff's part! Diddy was still collecting checks long after the release cycle had finished. They even had to get HIS PERMISSION to perform the song at concerts since he retained the rights. Now hows that for some shit. You have to get someone elses permission to do YOUR song.

(6) Since Bad Boy was also the management co. for some of the artists, Puffy was also taking a 10% managers cut.

So right there, that's 6 dips. He was slow fucking his artists and they had no clue until they got wiser. Why do you think most Bad Boy artists only did ONE or TWO albums max on his label before they found out and bounced.

Really, the only "L" Puffy ever took was on Mase's second album when Mase left the business just prior to its launch and Puff had to eat it because there was no promotion or touring.

And then Puffy never let Mase out the contract since he "owed" him an album. He wanted 50 Cent to buy him out when 50 wanted to sign Mase.

DAYUM!!!

Shit rappers should just stay indy and build their buzz and have the record labels come to them. Get a distribution deal or keep grinding independently and drop shit when they want and make all the profits from shows, etc. Fuck a major, I dont see a difference in the quality of work between a major label artist and a indy artist. Their videos are the same quality, etc.

Rappers need to focus on a new business model.

 

[elchoccolatte]

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[Understand My Story]

bingo

All labels claim it's family and that they geniuinely care. That's game 101 right there. As far as Kevin Liles horror stories, who knows Kevin Liles or Lyor Cohen or Jimmy Iovine? People speak out against Puff and it's news because he's Puff. Same thing with Jay or 50 or any other exec that is more famous than the artist themselves. Say something about a lesser know exec and if falls on deaf ears. Drake said something about some Universal exec named Sylvia and it got no traction. Nobody know who she is. Imagine if somebody on Drake's level said something negative about Puff. Shit would be everywhere.

 

[FJP]

Cats like FJP are aspiring to BE Puffy, so of course they are going to say there's nothing wrong with what he is doing. That "blame the black man" shit is some bullshit because you don't hear people saying the exact same things about other executives as you do Puffy because THEY AREN'T DOING IT. Who else do you see all up in artists videos and on their tracks? I bet most of you never heard of Sylvia Rhone. You never heard about Kedar Massenburg doing that shit to artists when he ran Motown.
Puffy is a wanna-be artist who has settled for being a celebrity. Truth.com.
This mutha fucka has NO TALENT but has discovered the magic behind the media and has learned how to manipulate people's opinions via the camera. To this dude, appearance is everything. And to be honest, he's partially right. On the real, Puffy is way extra with his shit. Labels in general are by design, made to exploit the artist. If you sign a first draft contract without having a lawyer make changes, you are a fool. That is the biggest mistake hungry artists make. The corporate fucks of today take that shit to another level. Labels used to fuck you but if you could float it out past your 1st album, you had a chance. Now they just flagrantly and arrogantly try to fuck you when you walk through the door and Puffy has had a hand in that change in tone by just being who he is and doing what he has done.
He leeches off an artist's shine and has done it so much to the point that he has convinced the public that its the other way around because the public is not too bright about these things. Take away the track that he didn't produce, the song that he didn't write or sing and the 16 bars that someone else ghost wrote for him and what do you have? Puffy saying "Bad Boy" and "Take that, take that"
Other corporate heads love him because he is exactly what they wish they could be. Most corporate fucks WANT to fuck artists and take everything from them. The motto of most corporate structures is the least input with the most output. Puffy is the idea example of that. He does the least while taking the most and to top it off, he steals the one thing that an artist usually has even if their deal goes bad - their popularity.
It may be an artist's fault for not getting help with contracts when they sign but I guarantee if any one of you had a manager or supervisor on your jobs who stood over you half of the day and watched you work and then come paycheck time, took out a portion of your checks, you would go postal. That's Puffy.

Wrong again... I didnt say it was ok. What I said is EVERY label does it. Dont be fooled. This game is DIRTY. Being a new artists in hip hop, unless you coming in with fanfare like Drake,Shyne, successful indie artist is fucked up. Expecting to NOT get jerked is like playing football and expecting not to be tackled. This is a bloodsport I dont care who you are. EVERY label that ever has sold records does the same thing to a new artist with No leverage...LOL@ "They WANT to.." They do. The difference is they hide it behind their desks as opposed to being visible label heads. And instead of "Sean Combs fees" they are "production fees"

NO TALENT.????Again How do you think he ever secured a label deal? Production and his ear from music. How do you think he got so high under Andre Harrell? He didnt have any media then. You might not like his products but ask Mary J if dude is talented or not, he did HEAVY work on her early works. You dont get that high in a company if you dont have talent.

People in this business will always sign and align with Diddy because...he gets you out there. Puff will make you famous as fuck, you have to make YOURSELF rich. Diddy is respected as an exec because he is a master promoter, he will have you in every source, every XXL and every anything else hip hop related. Puff gives you the maximum oppourtunity to be successful. You have to deliver the product after that build your fortune. Man Britney Spears on her first 2 albums got 17 cent an album....Yet made reported $80 million during her prime...

Ever notice Mase didnt complain till AFTER he came back? Biggie never complained. In fact anybody that had REAL success on Bad Boy ONLY complained after they faded. In fact nobody on ANY label ever complains until after they fall off. Thats why people continue to fail in this business. They miscrue it as "Im on a label all I gotta do is rap" No the labels job is to push the product,and SOME promotion. Its your job to make sure you are successful. Their job is to give you the OPPOURTUNITY to be successful.


Mo the problem with your thesis is that you are speaking MORALLY. Are the things in this business MORALLY right? But this isnt a Moral on NO sides. Unless you have a leg up when you come in, its an uphill battle the whole way. My whole point was that you act as if Diddy is "unique" in his tactics, he's not, he's just following the manual..

 

[Rick Ronson]

this nigga used to work for me

 

[FJP]

Shit rappers should just stay indy and build their buzz and have the record labels come to them. Get a distribution deal or keep grinding independently and drop shit when they want and make all the profits from shows, etc. Fuck a major, I dont see a difference in the quality of work between a major label artist and a indy artist. Their videos are the same quality, etc.

Thats what the Southern rappers did.....Thats why its rare you see them talking about how they got raped by the label, you might see a video with them talking about how the label doesnt want to push them the right way, but raped? Nah....

 

[big pimp]

the more time that passes, the more i'm inclined to believe diddy

look at this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bad_Boy_Records_artists

i'm not about to believe that he screwed over all of these people and only ONE mofoe has something negative to say about him....

C/S.
The white owned record labels are screwing their artist but noone says nothing about it.

 

[unknownsoldier]

All labels claim it's family and that they geniuinely care. That's game 101 right there. As far as Kevin Liles horror stories, who knows Kevin Liles or Lyor Cohen or Jimmy Iovine? People speak out against Puff and it's news because he's Puff. Same thing with Jay or 50 or any other exec that is more famous than the artist themselves. Say something about a lesser know exec and if falls on deaf ears. Drake said something about some Universal exec named Sylvia and it got no traction. Nobody know who she is. Imagine if somebody on Drake's level said something negative about Puff. Shit would be everywhere.

At the peak of his success, 50 said "Fuck Jimmy Iovine" and began talking about shady shit that was going on @ Interscope...it was news. 50 was waaaaay bigger than Drake and Jimmy is waaaaay bigger than Puff.

When artists become label owners they expose themselves to the shit. You can't be a mogul without having to endure the negative getting exposed. You're actually making the point about lesser known executives. Puffy WANTS to be in the limelight and with that comes bad shit. I used Liles because he's a perfect example of a Black exec not in the forefront. I'm sure cats have negative stories about him, but it won't matter cause he's not tryna hog the spotlight. At the same, there's a lot of good stories out there about him being stand up and up front with artists. Just because Puff is in the industry of sharks don't excuse the bullshit he was doing. If you take a person's dollar for a unit, take their criticisms as well.

 

[Heist]

C/S.
The white owned record labels are screwing their artist but noone says nothing about it.

The thing is black artist KNOW they're going to get screwed over by a white label - so they go to a black label thinking they can escape getting fucked.

 

[Nemesis Prime]

People in this business will always sign and align with Diddy because...he gets you out there. Puff will make you famous as fuck, you have to make YOURSELF rich. Diddy is respected as an exec because he is a master promoter, he will have you in every source, every XXL and every anything else hip hop related. Puff gives you the maximum oppourtunity to be successful. You have to deliver the product after that build your fortune. Man Britney Spears on her first 2 albums got 17 cent an album....Yet made reported $80 million during her prime...

cosign, Puffy has been around for 20 years now and everyone should know all the stories about how he treats his artists by now and people still sign with him because of this fact. Like it our not, If you sign with Puffy, his star power opens alot of doors for you, but its up to the artist to take advantage of it. If you fail to take advantage then Puffy lets you go.

Looking at all of the former Bad Boy artists, would they have been as popular as they were without Puffy backing then? For example, does anyone really think that "Total" was super talented. If they didn't have Biggie on "Can't You See" and Puffy on "Kissing You" would they have really been that popular back then? There's dozens of "Carl Thomas's" out there(Dwele, Calvin Richardson, etc) which is why you don't see Carl Thomas out there anymore. Atleast he stood out a little because of the Puffy cosign, but without Badboy he's MIA. 112 doesn't complain at all. They released 3 great albums on Bad Boy and they all did well. G Dep and Black Rob would have never been as popular, nope.

 

[Understand My Story]

At the peak of his success, 50 said "Fuck Jimmy Iovine" and began talking about shady shit that was going on @ Interscope...it was news. 50 was waaaaay bigger than Drake and Jimmy is waaaaay bigger than Puff.

When artists become label owners they expose themselves to the shit. You can't be a mogul without having to endure the negative getting exposed. You're actually making the point about lesser known executives. Puffy WANTS to be in the limelight and with that comes bad shit. I used Liles because he's a perfect example of a Black exec not in the forefront. I'm sure cats have negative stories about him, but it won't matter cause he's not tryna hog the spotlight. At the same, there's a lot of good stories out there about him being stand up and up front with artists. Just because Puff is in the industry of sharks don't excuse the bullshit he was doing. If you take a person's dollar for a unit, take their criticisms as well.

I don't remember the 50/Iovine shit. Not saying it didn't happen, just saying I don't remember. Trust me if someone on 50's level said that shit about Puff, niggas would still be talking about it like it happened yesterday.

I have never made an excuse for Puff or said what he did was morally acceptable. Of course he is going to take more heat because he is more visible, therefore it is beneficial for artists to speak out against him. Not denying that. I'm simply saying that people need to be realistic about the industry as a whole and stop trying to act like Puff is doing anything but playing by the rules that have been established way before he even came along. Like I said before accusing a record exec of being shady is like accusing a boxer of being violent.

 

[Understand My Story]

The thing is black artist KNOW they're going to get screwed over by a white label - so they go to a black label thinking they can escape getting fucked.

Whether it's black or white it's still business. It's naive to think that it's anything but business no matter what color the person is. The great majority of eople get into the record industry to get rich and famous, not to uplift their race.

 

[mariano42]

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never gets old.

 

[8SD8-retired_member]

Isn't Diddy supposed to be a homo?

I'm surprised that after all these years, and all the people he's fucked over, he hasn't been TRULY exposed yet.

 

[Mr. Met]

Lox even said, "All About The Benjamins," - Puff Daddy made more money off that song than they did! And they wrote the fucking song and Puff's part! Diddy was still collecting checks long after the release cycle had finished. They even had to get HIS PERMISSION to perform the song at concerts since he retained the rights. Now hows that for some shit. You have to get someone elses permission to do YOUR song.

More common than you know.


"The annoying thing is I have to pay to play some of my own songs. Each time I want to sing 'Hey Jude' I have to pay."

 

[WaterBottle]

puff is a greaseball. i wonder if big was alive, would he have even tried to leave bad boy. he might have tried to fuck wit roc-a-fella after a point and time and keep it brooklyn.

 

[FJP]

More common than you know.


"The annoying thing is I have to pay to play some of my own songs. Each time I want to sing 'Hey Jude' I have to pay."

Exactly. If you dont own your masters and publishing you have to pay to perform your shit.

 

[Heist]

puff is a greaseball. i wonder if big was alive, would he have even tried to leave bad boy. he might have tried to fuck wit roc-a-fella after a point and time and keep it brooklyn.

BIG would have either bounced when his contract was up and signed under a major or taken the indie route and signed himself to his own label.

Shit, he might have even asked for a piece of Rocafella and gone over to them in exchange for equity ownership.

 

[WaterBottle]

BIG would have either bounced when his contract was up and signed under a major or taken the indie route and signed himself to his own label.

Shit, he might have even asked for a piece of Rocafella and gone over to them in exchange for equity ownership.

i think the latter would have happened...seriously....especially since after brooklyns finest dropped it was like the hip hop world was just waiting for their collabo album

 

[FJP]

Look, I've been in the business. From 01 - 07. Everyone knows signing with Diddy was like singing with the devil. Whereas most majors will fuck you over in front of your face, Diddy was more like slow fucking you without you even realizing it.


Half his artists ended up owing Bad Boy money after the recoupment.


Puffy was triple, quadrupling, and quintuple dipping them. You see he knew the mechanics and dollars and cents of the business better than his artists, using this knowledge to profit immensely from their naivety.

I want you to follow the dips with me:

(1) If the track was going to be hot, he'd force them to write in a part for himself or he would do that angry babbling, talking, and screaming shit so Puffy could be on the track "to make it hotter." But then Puffy would charge a performance fee to his artist budget; the same budget he provided, but which in most cases was money he got from his distributor/major label Bad Boy signed to (i.e. Jive, Sony, etc.)!

(2) As perfromer, Puffy would then collect a performance royalty on every record sold or played on the radio, at a club (through BMG commerical license), in a movie, etc. whether his part aired or not.

(3) Since Puffy took executive producer credit for anything coming out of Bad Boy, he would also take executive producer royalty points on each album sold.

(4) If there were cars or location shoots, Puffy would make his artist use the cars or boats he owned and then charge the rental fee back to his artist's budget.

(5) Puffy made most Bad Boy artists sign to his publishing company, and as such he'd retained exclusive publishing and performance rights to all songs and the profit and royalties generated from it after the artist got their %.

Lox even said, "All About The Benjamins," - Puff Daddy made more money off that song than they did! And they wrote the fucking song and Puff's part! Diddy was still collecting checks long after the release cycle had finished. They even had to get HIS PERMISSION to perform the song at concerts since he retained the rights. Now hows that for some shit. You have to get someone elses permission to do YOUR song.

(6) Since Bad Boy was also the management co. for some of the artists, Puffy was also taking a 10% managers cut.

So right there, that's 6 dips. He was slow fucking his artists and they had no clue until they got wiser. Why do you think most Bad Boy artists only did ONE or TWO albums max on his label before they found out and bounced.

Really, the only "L" Puffy ever took was on Mase's second album when Mase left the business just prior to its launch and Puff had to eat it because there was no promotion or touring.

And then Puffy never let Mase out the contract since he "owed" him an album. He wanted 50 Cent to buy him out when 50 wanted to sign Mase.

Again stop acting like the other labels dont do it, just in different ways. I've seen it myself. Label will TELL the artist marketing and promo was 800k, in reality the marketing was 200k... Thats QUADRUPLE...We'd look at the math on our end then bump into the artist and they'd say some shit like "This what $800k got me?" Cats just laugh

Or the famous "production costs" line. The label will get Timbaland. Now an artist unless they are "friends" with the producer dont know what the "standard" cost are for a beat,. Timbaland might say he wants $100,000. The label will give him $60,000 and royalties and then charge the artist $120k on the bill. And since the producer had to negotiate with the label and not you, the producer isnt gonna tell you the terms of the deal. Videos? Same thing. New Artist especially dont know how much zoning and filming permits cost. Labels will charge an artist $250k for a video that cost them 75k. Ive seen this shit man. Bottom line is if you dont have leverage you basically have to agree to get fucked and hope you blow up to get out the red....

 

[FJP]

Bring light to the masses. The Music industry is an unregulated shell game. There are no rules and no such thing as a standard contract.
It's basically an artists perogative to fuck the label for as much money as possible before the label fucks them because there never is a good and equitable business agreement in music.

Someone has to come out on top. Labels have a team of salted and savy business people working to make sure this happens with each artist they sign.

And who does the artist have, themselves and a shoestring lawyer (because they can't afford high price powerbroker yet) and if they're stupid, their man's n 'em working as managers and advisors.

Artist cant "fuck" the label with no "dick". The Dick is an already cemented fanbase, or buzz. Without that you cant fuck a label. Because if you have no buzz or no fanbase, they can leave you on the street and continue business as usual...

 

[Heist]

Again stop acting like the other labels dont do it, just in different ways. I've seen it myself. Label will TELL the artist marketing and promo was 800k, in reality the marketing was 200k... Thats QUADRUPLE...We'd look at the math on our end then bump into the artist and they'd say some shit like "This what $800k got me?" Cats just laugh

Or the famous "production costs" line. The label will get Timbaland. Now an artist unless they are "friends" with the producer dont know what the "standard" cost are for a beat,. Timbaland might say he wants $100,000. The label will give him $60,000 and royalties and then charge the artist $120k on the bill. And since the producer had to negotiate with the label and not you, the producer isnt gonna tell you the terms of the deal. Videos? Same thing. New Artist especially dont know how much zoning and filming permits cost. Labels will charge an artist $250k for a video that cost them 75k. Ive seen this shit man. Bottom line is if you dont have leverage you basically have to agree to get fucked and hope you blow up to get out the red....

Yes. True. But the labels aren't claiming they're not fucking over the artist.
But more over, an artist's accountant has the right to ask for an audit at least 1x per year.
If fraud is detected or gross over charges, the artist can both sue the label and declare the contract voided.

No audit, then the artist can reasonable assume they're being taken advantage of.

I've seen A&R's charge their personal exhorbinant bullshit to an artist budget. Even a "personal" Lexus GS300 to keep up appearances.

 

[Heist]

Artist cant "fuck" the label with no "dick". The Dick is an already cemented fanbase, or buzz. Without that you cant fuck a label. Because if you have no buzz or no fanbase, they can leave you on the street and continue business as usual...

Ummmm, wanna bet? The Brockert Initiative. Look it up.
If an artist is smart - they'll use that legal out.

An artist will drop you off 13 songs of bullshit (or however many songs per album it takes to fulfill their album commitment) and then bounce if they want out of their contract.

 

[LennyNero1972]

Cats like FJP are aspiring to BE Puffy, so of course they are going to say there's nothing wrong with what he is doing. That "blame the black man" shit is some bullshit because you don't hear people saying the exact same things about other executives as you do Puffy because THEY AREN'T DOING IT. Who else do you see all up in artists videos and on their tracks? I bet most of you never heard of Sylvia Rhone. You never heard about Kedar Massenburg doing that shit to artists when he ran Motown.
Puffy is a wanna-be artist who has settled for being a celebrity. Truth.com.
This mutha fucka has NO TALENT but has discovered the magic behind the media and has learned how to manipulate people's opinions via the camera. To this dude, appearance is everything. And to be honest, he's partially right. On the real, Puffy is way extra with his shit. Labels in general are by design, made to exploit the artist. If you sign a first draft contract without having a lawyer make changes, you are a fool. That is the biggest mistake hungry artists make. The corporate fucks of today take that shit to another level. Labels used to fuck you but if you could float it out past your 1st album, you had a chance. Now they just flagrantly and arrogantly try to fuck you when you walk through the door and Puffy has had a hand in that change in tone by just being who he is and doing what he has done.
He leeches off an artist's shine and has done it so much to the point that he has convinced the public that its the other way around because the public is not too bright about these things. Take away the track that he didn't produce, the song that he didn't write or sing and the 16 bars that someone else ghost wrote for him and what do you have? Puffy saying "Bad Boy" and "Take that, take that"
Other corporate heads love him because he is exactly what they wish they could be. Most corporate fucks WANT to fuck artists and take everything from them. The motto of most corporate structures is the least input with the most output. Puffy is the idea example of that. He does the least while taking the most and to top it off, he steals the one thing that an artist usually has even if their deal goes bad - their popularity.
It may be an artist's fault for not getting help with contracts when they sign but I guarantee if any one of you had a manager or supervisor on your jobs who stood over you half of the day and watched you work and then come paycheck time, took out a portion of your checks, you would go postal. That's Puffy.

Good evaluation.

 

[inflewence]

his track record speaks for itself,,, majority of bad boy artist have gotten chewed up & spit out,,, what diddy means is, he didn't fuck anybody over because all the artist willfully signed the contract (which was designed to fuck them over),,, dude is basically the don king of rap

Couldn't said it better. Basically, he is very unethical but not illegal. Same shit in my book. He had the lox publishing for years granted they did sign a fucked up contract but still doesn't make it right!

 

[geechiedan]

BIG would have either bounced when his contract was up and signed under a major or taken the indie route and signed himself to his own label.

Shit, he might have even asked for a piece of Rocafella and gone over to them in exchange for equity ownership.

sheeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit...

add him to the list...

tupac was DEFINITELY going bounce when he contract was fulfilled..

 

[FJP]

Yes. True. But the labels aren't claiming they're not fucking over the artist.
But more over, an artist's accountant has the right to ask for an audit at least 1x per year.
If fraud is detected or gross over charges, the artist can both sue the label and declare the contract voided.

No audit, then the artist can reasonable assume they're being taken advantage of.

I've seen A&R's charge their personal exhorbinant bullshit to an artist budget. Even a "personal" Lexus GS300 to keep up appearances.

Thats because they dont do interviews. They can ask for an audit but REALLY who does? You know how it goes Heist this shit is no holds barred. They can sue but rarely do....Man I've seen Phantoms charged to "production costs"

 

[FJP]

Ummmm, wanna bet? The Brockert Initiative. Look it up.
If an artist is smart - they'll use that legal out.

An artist will drop you off 13 songs of bullshit (or however many songs per album it takes to fulfill their album commitment) and then bounce if they want out of their contract.

Yes they will, but you gotta think most deals for dudes with no name are 5 albums, you first gotta be worthy to actually GET TO THAT NUMBER for you drop the bullshit and run. Pac was making so many songs cause he wanted to get off Death Row... but he was successful. But say Budden couldnt do that cause he couldnt even get album #2 released.

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

but point to a label that DOESN'T do that. all labels are the same. they bankroll an artist and try to get as much out of the project as possible. then they move on to the next one. it's not just rap. happens in pop, rock, r&b, jazz. most dudes point to puff as being crooked cause they feel comfortable doing that. but NOBODY on here has ever made a post about clive davis and artists he's worked with over the years that fell to the wayside or ended up broke. . . . imo cause he's white and older.

young black folks are preconditioned to clown other black folks, while ignoring the same stuff white folks do. the music industry is angled to fuk the artist regardless of race or gender

Co-Sign

 

[BKF]

Diddy's is like the Don King of the music industry. Everybody talks about how dirty, and underhanded Don King is, as if Bob Arum is any different. The boxing industry, is like the music industry. Shady...

 

[geechiedan]

Diddy's is like the Don King of the music industry. Everybody talks about how dirty, and underhanded Don King is, as if Bob Arum is any different. The boxing industry, is like the music industry. Shady...

I guess the difference is you don't expect to get fucked over by your own..its one thing for a non black to fuck us over..we expect that..but when you got someone calling you brotha and cousin and family and talking all this smack about "how we gotta watch each others back.." it just cuts deeper when your own fucks you over.

Thats why I say the only thing that Berry Gordy did that was "innovative" in the music industry was be black in a white/jewish dominated industry..otherwise he fucked over black artists as bad as any white or jew did..