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Diddy Says He Never Robbed Or Mistreated His Former Artist

Heist said:
If anything, he's the person who launched Bad Boy. The first time I saw his videos I thought Puff was some spastic sidekick/backup dancer.

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I agree, but he was a sign of things to come. He got dropped with the quickness, couldn't get another Easy Mo Bee beat and it was a :itsawrap:
 
why single out diddy when their are thousands of other artists who got fucked over by their label and are now broke?
 
nobody is singling diddy out he's singling himself out. the convo is him talking about not ever doing something he clearly did and does. so the excuse that we are singling him out makes no sense. he himself is talking about it so we are addressing how he fucked the artists over.
when the other execs who do this same thing give interview or talk about how they don't screw over artists then we'll point out how they do.
he's steadily trying to act like he doesnt and he's innocent when he isn't. he isn't the only one but he's the one talking and commenting and acting like he's an angel when its the other way around
 
C'mon son! This is like saying "I've never made a mistake. I never made the wrong choice."

Say, "Yeah, I have regrets about the way some business was handled".

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I won't expect anyone to say they robbed an artist, but to say you never mistreated anyone....
 
So nobody will sign with him now. Everybody knows. Everybody saying it so ain't no way it's all bullshit.
 
Real1 said:
I won't expect anyone to say they robbed an artist, but to say you never mistreated anyone....
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Puffy was known for his stubborness and bitch fits with both staff and artists.

I had a chance to work for him back in 2001 and steered WAY CLEAR of that shit.

I heard the stories and no one could discredit the people or the stories. I feel sorry for the people who did take that position. I would have been probably working under Capricorn or Tracy Waples.

My boss's name is Capricorn. WTF?! :lol:
 
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People need to realize that the music business is a commission based only job with a draw. People deals get screwed because they think they are salaried employees. If you are an artist that has no production skills, limited writing, no hit songs and zero tracks already completed before you sign your deal then your commission(royalties) will be lower because the record company will have to pay for all of this. The record label has to hire a lot of people just to put an album out while spending millions. No record company or a business for that matter will be willing to split 50 profits
 
Didn't Method Man say a few years back that he is still waiting to be paid by Puff for his feature on Biggie's "The What?"?
 
Shit rappers should just stay indy and build their buzz and have the record labels come to them. Get a distribution deal or keep grinding independently and drop shit when they want and make all the profits from shows, etc. Fuck a major, I dont see a difference in the quality of work between a major label artist and a indy artist. Their videos are the same quality, etc.
 
Mr. Met said:
He's still a snake, but the artist had very little biz acumen.
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What record exec isn't a snake? It's no secret that the record industry is fucked up. The average exec is way richer than the average artist. The system is set up for record execs to make the majority of the money and for artists to be used for all their worth until they have no worth at which point they are discarded like trash. I'm not taking up for Diddy or saying that he hasn't done shady shit. I'm just saying that calling Diddy, or any other record exec for that matter, a "snake" is like calling a boxer "violent".
 
soulcontroller said:
Shit rappers should just stay indy and build their buzz and have the record labels come to them. Get a distribution deal or keep grinding independently and drop shit when they want and make all the profits from shows, etc. Fuck a major, I dont see a difference in the quality of work between a major label artist and a indy artist. Their videos are the same quality, etc.
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People are followers. Many artists view signing with a major label as validation of there abilities when in actuality it's one step below rape unless you really blow up. I agree cats should go the independent route, especially today when records are not selling and artists are getting even less money than they used to.
 
Understand My Story said:
People are followers. Many artists view signing with a major label as validation of there abilities when in actuality it's one step below rape unless you really blow up. I agree cats should go the independent route, especially today when records are not selling and artists are getting even less money than they used to.
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Exactly. Rappers who are not willing to grind and build their brand wont survive. I still think Drake should have never sign and stayed indy. With all the tools out there to market yourself being major is not needed.
 
FJP said:
Exactly I have posted this like 50 times. The only difference with Diddy is that people finally could put a face on it. Its not to cool to make a "Fuck Clive Davis" record. Unless you have leverage, there is no such thing as an initial deal that is in the artist favor. To be honest the first deal is to make you famous, its YOUR JOB to make you rich. I dont know why these artists still to this day really think "All I gotta do is rap, and everything will be fine." Diddy gave shine $900,000 to sign and a S600 Benz, plus advance....notice Shyne always talks about Diddys shadyness pertaining to trial, not his deal.

G-Dep admitted Diddy gave him $350k but he blew it on drugs and bitches in the hood. He let Ma$e out of his deal, labels dont do that shit, especially while the artists is still successful. Mark Curry story always strikes me as funny because you got a book worth of foul shit, yet you stayed around 10 years? Like come on man. Diddy actually is one of the best label heads. Dude will make you famous as hell, but its up to you to get rich..
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What happened to 112 and their career man????
 
soulcontroller said:
Exactly. Rappers who are not willing to grind and build their brand wont survive. I still think Drake should have never sign and stayed indy. With all the tools out there to market yourself being major is not needed.
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I agree he had the fame and money and buzz to do his own thing. Now he's making money for the Universal execs, Baby and Slim, Wayne, and then himself.
 
soulcontroller said:
Shit rappers should just stay indy and build their buzz and have the record labels come to them. Get a distribution deal or keep grinding independently and drop shit when they want and make all the profits from shows, etc. Fuck a major, I dont see a difference in the quality of work between a major label artist and a indy artist. Their videos are the same quality, etc.
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This is what it's leading to because of the technology but they are going to still need business people if they are that successful.

And you BGOL Negroes need to stop causing these PR problems for these big showbiz wigs. :hmm: :lol::dance::D:yes:
 
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Understand My Story said:
I agree he had the fame and money and buzz to do his own thing. Now he's making money for the Universal execs, Baby and Slim, Wayne, and then himself.
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Yes, even if he didn't have the coverage that a big house can offer, he would still have more of the money because he wouldn't have to slice it so many times. Even if he had a partner, slicing 100 to 50% wouldn't be as bad. Their product get cuts more times than bad smack. Moreover they would still have their freedom.

Still the big machine is VERY tempting, even when these artist fall off you still know them.
 
PLEASE FOR THE RECORD CAN WE STOP MENTIONING CRAIG MACK BECAUSE HE SUED BADBOY RECORDS AND WAS AWARDED TEN MILLION DOLLAR.WHICH HE STOPPED WORKING AS A SCHOOL TEACHER,PURCHASED A STUDIO AND HASN'T BEEN HEARD FROM AGAIN :lol:but he came out on top...
 
Cats like FJP are aspiring to BE Puffy, so of course they are going to say there's nothing wrong with what he is doing. That "blame the black man" shit is some bullshit because you don't hear people saying the exact same things about other executives as you do Puffy because THEY AREN'T DOING IT. Who else do you see all up in artists videos and on their tracks? I bet most of you never heard of Sylvia Rhone. You never heard about Kedar Massenburg doing that shit to artists when he ran Motown.
Puffy is a wanna-be artist who has settled for being a celebrity. Truth.com.
This mutha fucka has NO TALENT but has discovered the magic behind the media and has learned how to manipulate people's opinions via the camera. To this dude, appearance is everything. And to be honest, he's partially right. On the real, Puffy is way extra with his shit. Labels in general are by design, made to exploit the artist. If you sign a first draft contract without having a lawyer make changes, you are a fool. That is the biggest mistake hungry artists make. The corporate fucks of today take that shit to another level. Labels used to fuck you but if you could float it out past your 1st album, you had a chance. Now they just flagrantly and arrogantly try to fuck you when you walk through the door and Puffy has had a hand in that change in tone by just being who he is and doing what he has done.
He leeches off an artist's shine and has done it so much to the point that he has convinced the public that its the other way around because the public is not too bright about these things. Take away the track that he didn't produce, the song that he didn't write or sing and the 16 bars that someone else ghost wrote for him and what do you have? Puffy saying "Bad Boy" and "Take that, take that" :rolleyes:
Other corporate heads love him because he is exactly what they wish they could be. Most corporate fucks WANT to fuck artists and take everything from them. The motto of most corporate structures is the least input with the most output. Puffy is the idea example of that. He does the least while taking the most and to top it off, he steals the one thing that an artist usually has even if their deal goes bad - their popularity.
It may be an artist's fault for not getting help with contracts when they sign but I guarantee if any one of you had a manager or supervisor on your jobs who stood over you half of the day and watched you work and then come paycheck time, took out a portion of your checks, you would go postal. That's Puffy.
 
34real said:
PLEASE FOR THE RECORD CAN WE STOP MENTIONING CRAIG MACK BECAUSE HE SUED BADBOY RECORDS AND WAS AWARDED TEN MILLION DOLLAR.WHICH HE STOPPED WORKING AS A SCHOOL TEACHER,PURCHASED A STUDIO AND HASN'T BEEN HEARD FROM AGAIN :lol:but he came out on top...
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Damn. Didn't know Craig came up on Puff like that. Good for him.
 
Mo Pizorn said:
Cats like FJP are aspiring to BE Puffy, so of course they are going to say there's nothing wrong with what he is doing. That "blame the black man" shit is some bullshit because you don't hear people saying the exact same things about other executives as you do Puffy because THEY AREN'T DOING IT. Who else do you see all up in artists videos and on their tracks? I bet most of you never heard of Sylvia Rhone. You never heard about Kedar Massenburg doing that shit to artists when he ran Motown.
Puffy is a wanna-be artist who has settled for being a celebrity. Truth.com.
This mutha fucka has NO TALENT but has discovered the magic behind the media and has learned how to manipulate people's opinions via the camera. To this dude, appearance is everything. And to be honest, he's partially right. On the real, Puffy is way extra with his shit. Labels in general are by design, made to exploit the artist. If you sign a first draft contract without having a lawyer make changes, you are a fool. That is the biggest mistake hungry artists make. The corporate fucks of today take that shit to another level. Labels used to fuck you but if you could float it out past your 1st album, you had a chance. Now they just flagrantly and arrogantly try to fuck you when you walk through the door and Puffy has had a hand in that change in tone by just being who he is and doing what he has done.
He leeches off an artist's shine and has done it so much to the point that he has convinced the public that its the other way around because the public is not too bright about these things. Take away the track that he didn't produce, the song that he didn't write or sing and the 16 bars that someone else ghost wrote for him and what do you have? Puffy saying "Bad Boy" and "Take that, take that" :rolleyes:
Other corporate heads love him because he is exactly what they wish they could be. Most corporate fucks WANT to fuck artists and take everything from them. The motto of most corporate structures is the least input with the most output. Puffy is the idea example of that. He does the least while taking the most and to top it off, he steals the one thing that an artist usually has even if their deal goes bad - their popularity.
It may be an artist's fault for not getting help with contracts when they sign but I guarantee if any one of you had a manager or supervisor on your jobs who stood over you half of the day and watched you work and then come paycheck time, took out a portion of your checks, you would go postal. That's Puffy.
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This shit ain't new though. Who do you think made most of the money generated by Chuck Berry, Little Richard, New Edition, Pac etc? Not them! The record business has been fucking talented artists for years. The great majority of artists who get signed we never hear from. Many of the artists who are successful still get fucked.

As far as your job analogy goes...If you are entering an industry that has a proven track record of fucking people how mad can you really be when you get fucked. The shadiness of the music business is extremely well documented throughout our culture so what are niggas really expecting when they sign with Puff or anyone else.
 
understand my story said:
people are followers. Many artists view signing with a major label as validation of there abilities when in actuality it's one step below rape unless you really blow up. I agree cats should go the independent route, especially today when records are not selling and artists are getting even less money than they used to.
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co-sign!!
 
soulcontroller said:
Shit rappers should just stay indy and build their buzz and have the record labels come to them. Get a distribution deal or keep grinding independently and drop shit when they want and make all the profits from shows, etc. Fuck a major, I dont see a difference in the quality of work between a major label artist and a indy artist. Their videos are the same quality, etc.
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I tend to wholly agree with this point of view. I also believe that the control these major labels have over the artists and exert over their final products is the chief reason for the decline in the overall quality of rap and hip hop in general as of late. I much prefer the days when rap and rappers were more independent, the days when rap / hip hop was far less commercially attached and driven, when the main audience, black folk, the streets, us, were the arbiters of what was hot or not. I miss the diversity rap use to have, the artists, the music, and the feel was far better when the majority of the larger labels and society at large were dismissive of the music and its artistic value. Lack of diversity is killing rap as an art form along with the society,us, that birthed it.

I know I'm a bit off topic here, but having watched this hip hop phenomenon from the very beginning go through what I am hoping is a phase has been very disturbing!!
 
Mo Pizorn said:
Cats like FJP are aspiring to BE Puffy, so of course they are going to say there's nothing wrong with what he is doing. That "blame the black man" shit is some bullshit because you don't hear people saying the exact same things about other executives as you do Puffy because THEY AREN'T DOING IT. Who else do you see all up in artists videos and on their tracks? I bet most of you never heard of Sylvia Rhone. You never heard about Kedar Massenburg doing that shit to artists when he ran Motown.
Puffy is a wanna-be artist who has settled for being a celebrity. Truth.com.
This mutha fucka has NO TALENT but has discovered the magic behind the media and has learned how to manipulate people's opinions via the camera. To this dude, appearance is everything. And to be honest, he's partially right. On the real, Puffy is way extra with his shit. Labels in general are by design, made to exploit the artist. If you sign a first draft contract without having a lawyer make changes, you are a fool. That is the biggest mistake hungry artists make. The corporate fucks of today take that shit to another level. Labels used to fuck you but if you could float it out past your 1st album, you had a chance. Now they just flagrantly and arrogantly try to fuck you when you walk through the door and Puffy has had a hand in that change in tone by just being who he is and doing what he has done.
He leeches off an artist's shine and has done it so much to the point that he has convinced the public that its the other way around because the public is not too bright about these things. Take away the track that he didn't produce, the song that he didn't write or sing and the 16 bars that someone else ghost wrote for him and what do you have? Puffy saying "Bad Boy" and "Take that, take that" :rolleyes:
Other corporate heads love him because he is exactly what they wish they could be. Most corporate fucks WANT to fuck artists and take everything from them. The motto of most corporate structures is the least input with the most output. Puffy is the idea example of that. He does the least while taking the most and to top it off, he steals the one thing that an artist usually has even if their deal goes bad - their popularity.
It may be an artist's fault for not getting help with contracts when they sign but I guarantee if any one of you had a manager or supervisor on your jobs who stood over you half of the day and watched you work and then come paycheck time, took out a portion of your checks, you would go postal. That's Puffy.
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He said it 15 years ago!

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Heist said:
Puffy was triple, quadrupling, and quintuple dipping them. You see he knew the mechanics and dollars and cents of the business better than his artists, using this knowledge to profit immensely from their naivety.

I want you to follow the dips with me:

(1) If the track was going to be hot, he'd force them to write in a part for himself or he would do that angry babbling, talking, and screaming shit so Puffy could be on the track "to make it hotter." But then Puffy would charge a performance fee to his artist budget; the same budget he provided, but which in most cases was money he got from his distributor/major label Bad Boy signed to (i.e. Jive, Sony, etc.)!

(2) As perfromer, Puffy would then collect a performance royalty on every record sold or played on the radio, at a club (through BMG commerical license), in a movie, etc. whether his part aired or not.

(3) Since Puffy took executive producer credit for anything coming out of Bad Boy, he would also take executive producer royalty points on each album sold.

(4) If there were cars or location shoots, Puffy would make his artist use the cars or boats he owned and then charge the rental fee back to his artist's budget.

(5) Puffy made most Bad Boy artists sign to his publishing company, and as such he'd retained exclusive publishing and performance rights to all songs and the profit and royalties generated from it after the artist got their %.

Lox even said, "All About The Benjamins," - Puff Daddy made more money off that song than they did! And they wrote the fucking song and Puff's part! Diddy was still collecting checks long after the release cycle had finished. They even had to get HIS PERMISSION to perform the song at concerts since he retained the rights. Now hows that for some shit. You have to get someone elses permission to do YOUR song.

(6) Since Bad Boy was also the management co. for some of the artists, Puffy was also taking a 10% managers cut.

So right there, that's 6 dips. He was slow fucking his artists and they had no clue until they got wiser. Why do you think most Bad Boy artists only did ONE or TWO albums max on his label before they found out and bounced.

Really, the only "L" Puffy ever took was on Mase's second album when Mase left the business just prior to its launch and Puff had to eat it because there was no promotion or touring.

And then Puffy never let Mase out the contract since he "owed" him an album. He wanted 50 Cent to buy him out when 50 wanted to sign Mase[/SIZE].
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good info
 
keone said:
good info
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Bring light to the masses. The Music industry is an unregulated shell game. There are no rules and no such thing as a standard contract.
It's basically an artists perogative to fuck the label for as much money as possible before the label fucks them because there never is a good and equitable business agreement in music.

Someone has to come out on top. Labels have a team of salted and savy business people working to make sure this happens with each artist they sign.

And who does the artist have, themselves and a shoestring lawyer (because they can't afford high price powerbroker yet) and if they're stupid, their man's n 'em working as managers and advisors. :smh:
 

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