I Don’t Want Watchmen Back

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http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/07/alan-moore-watchmen

Due in large part to the historic falling out between DC Comics and Alan Moore, the creator's ongoing criticism of the state of the comics industry, and his deliberate disassociation (even financially) from film adaptations of his works, fans have traditionally balked at rumors of auxiliary "Watchmen" stories. Not even those tied to the "Watchmen" movie think a prequel or sequel would necessarily be a good idea. Still, according to Moore, the publisher went to some lengths to get him to take the gig.

"They offered me the rights to Watchmen back, if I would agree to some dopey prequels and sequels," More told Wired.com in a recent interview, "So I just told them that if they said that 10 years ago, when I asked them for that, then yeah it might have worked," he said. "But these days I don't want Watchmen back. Certainly, I don't want it back under those kinds of terms."

Wired.com also spoke with DC co-publishers Dan DiDio and Jim Lee, who responded to Moore's comments stating, "Watchmen is the most celebrated graphic novel of all time. Rest assured, DC Comics would only revisit these iconic characters if the creative vision of any proposed new stories matched the quality set by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons nearly 25 years ago, and our first discussion on any of this would naturally be with the creators themselves."

Moore's statement doesn't specify just when DC supposedly tried to cut a deal, meaning it could have happened before or even after the "Watchmen effect," (that spurred the printing of more than 1 million copies of the graphic novel to coincide with the movie's release) occurred. No matter when the alleged offer was made or declined, Moore still stood to make a considerable amount of money by agreeing to whatever terms were or weren't offered.

Fans have often cited "Watchmen" as a complete work with no need for a prequel or sequel. Since its debut in 1985, Moore's collaboration with artist Dave Gibbons has been so celebrated among its fans that many considered it "unfilmable." The somewhat polarizing adaptation did happen, however, which caused further concern that supplemental material outside of Moore and Gibbons' initial vision could eventually manifest and dilute the original work.

As rumors of "Watchmen" prequels or sequels in any form come and go, one thing is certain: Alan Moore won't be involved in any future projects.

"I don't even have a copy of Watchmen in the house anymore," Moore told Wired.com. "The comics world has lots of unpleasant connections, when I think back over it, many of them to do with Watchmen."
 
This is not to say that indie companies don't shaft writers, artist and others involved but the big 2 - Marvel and DC - have a lot of fucked up history with fucking over their workers.
 
When he wanted to do that shit, they ain't want to give it to him. Now that the movie turned out pretty good, they want him back.

Ain't that a bitch? I would've said Fuck 'em too.
 
When he wanted to do that shit, they ain't want to give it to him. Now that the movie turned out pretty good, they want him back.

Ain't that a bitch? I would've said Fuck 'em too.

On top of this they really did not research on this cat. During a comic con he revealed that he is 'financially' set. He went on to say that him and his friends/girls and fellow SET worshipers grow their own food, produce their own power and pay very little in terms of taxes and such where he resided.

He's a super saver on top of this and still has money from this Marvel Man days...So it's not like they can say 'Yo, we going to hit you off with X and set you straight!' - 'Um, I already have x millions in the bank untouched...Soooo what do you mean?'

Had they respected his wishes in the first place and built up on the momentum during the 80's like he requested...they would be banking even bigger on Watchmen.

I forget where I read it but a lot of people wanted 'Watchmen' to fall on it's ass when it was being made. So he remembers that shit too and by putting his foot down he is choking DC lovely on this deal.
 
Had they respected his wishes in the first place and built up on the momentum during the 80's like he requested...they would be banking even bigger on Watchmen.

Is their a reason they rejected his request?
Was he asking for too much money, to continue the work?
Was he acting llke diva and they just got sick of him?
 
I was hopin the movie would suck donkey balls cuz Moore didn't want to see it done and had nothin to do with it.
 
Is their a reason they rejected his request?
Was he asking for too much money, to continue the work?
Was he acting llke diva and they just got sick of him?

At the time when Watchmen was being made there was a lot of internal conflict on the nature of the story. Many people in DC were afraid that they were going to be known for VIOLENT books.

This was 1986..Dark Knight was taking comic stores by storm and the original writes up of Watchmen had some of the current writers and workers at DC saying their books were going too dark.

At the same time DC pulled the rug from under Moore and Gibson because the original book was suppose to have Captain Atom, The Question and others. After being copy edited to death...Moore created 'Doctor Manhattan', 'Rorschach' and the other characters you now know.

DC had anticipated decent sales...it is not expect the book to dominate and overshadow all of their other works. In they end they backed up the sales with free promotions - a limited edition Comedian button and a expansion/module to the DC RPG game based on the 'Watchmen' that actually gave you more story.

Moore stated in 1985 that if the limited series was well-received, he and Gibbons would possibly create a 12-issue prequel series called Minutemen featuring the 1940s superhero group from the story.[10] Steve Whitaker joked in British fanzine Fantasy Advertiser that such a story would naturally revolve around "Lesbian and homosexual relationships and costumed kinks in a '40s environment..."[61] DC offered Moore and Gibbons chances to publish prequels to the series, such as Rorschach's Journal or The Comedian's Vietnam War Diary, as well as hinting at the possibility of other authors using the same universe.[62] Tales of the Comedian's Vietnam War experiences were floated because The 'Nam was popular at the time, while another suggestion was, according to Gibbons, for a "Nite Owl/Rorschach team" (in the manner of Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased)).[62] Neither man felt the stories would have gone anywhere, with Moore particularly adamant that DC not go forward with stories by other individuals.[62] Gibbons was more attracted to the idea of a Minutemen series, because it would have "[paid] homage to the simplicity and unsophisticated nature of Golden Age comic books – with the added dramatic interest that it would be a story whose conclusion is already known. It would be, perhaps, interesting to see how we got to the conclusion."[15]

Disagreements about the ownership of the story ultimately led Alan Moore to sever ties with DC Comics.[63] Not wanting to work under a work-for-hire arrangement, Moore and Gibbons had a reversion clause in their contract for Watchmen. Speaking at the 1985 San Diego Comic-Con, Moore said "The way it works, if I understand it, is that DC owns it for the time they're publishing it, and then it reverts to Dave and me, so we can make all the money from the Slurpee cups."[10] For Watchmen, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons received eight percent of the series' earnings.[8] Moore explained in 1986 that his understanding was that when "DC have not used the characters for a year, they're ours."[3] Both Moore and Gibbons said DC paid them "a substantial amount of money" to retain the rights. Moore added, "So basically they're not ours, but if DC is working with the characters in our interests then they might as well be. On the other hand, if the characters have outlived their natural life span and DC doesn't want to do anything with them, then after a year we've got them and we can do what we want with them, which I'm perfectly happy with."[3]

Moore said he left DC in 1989 due to the language in his contracts for Watchmen and his V for Vendetta series with artist David Lloyd. Moore felt the reversion clauses were ultimately meaningless, because DC did not intend to let the publications go out of print. He told The New York Times in 2006, "I said, 'Fair enough,' [...] 'You have managed to successfully swindle me, and so I will never work for you again.'"[63] In 2000, Moore publicly distanced himself from DC's plans for a fifteenth anniversary Watchmen hardcover release as well as a proposed line of action figures from DC Direct. While DC wanted to mend its relationship with the writer, Moore felt the company was not treating him fairly in regards to his America's Best Comics imprint (launched under the WildStorm comic imprint, which was bought by DC in 1998; Moore was promised no direct interference by DC as part of the arrangement). Moore added, "As far as I'm concerned, the 15th anniversary of Watchmen is purely a 15th Anniversary of when DC managed to take the Watchmen property from me and Dave [Gibbons]."[64] Soon afterwards, DC Direct cancelled the Watchmen action figure line, although the company had shown prototypes at the 2000 Comic-Con International.[65] In 2010, Moore told Wired that DC offered to him the rights to Watchmen back earlier that week, if he would agree to prequel and sequel projects. Moore said that "if they said that 10 years ago, when I asked them for that, then yeah it might have worked [. . .] But these days I don't want Watchmen back. Certainly, I don't want it back under those kinds of terms." DC Comics co-publishers Dan DiDio and Jim Lee responded, "DC Comics would only revisit these iconic characters if the creative vision of any proposed new stories matched the quality set by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons nearly 25 years ago, and our first discussion on any of this would naturally be with the creators themselves."[66]
 


At the time when Watchmen was being made there was a lot of internal conflict on the nature of the story. Many people in DC were afraid that they were going to be known for VIOLENT books.

This was 1986..Dark Knight was taking comic stores by storm and the original writes up of Watchmen had some of the current writers and workers at DC saying their books were going too dark.

At the same time DC pulled the rug from under Moore and Gibson because the original book was suppose to have Captain Atom, The Question and others. After being copy edited to death...Moore created 'Doctor Manhattan', 'Rorschach' and the other characters you now know.

DC had anticipated decent sales...it is not expect the book to dominate and overshadow all of their other works. In they end they backed up the sales with free promotions - a limited edition Comedian button and a expansion/module to the DC RPG game based on the 'Watchmen' that actually gave you more story.​


So why not go work for marvel and really F*them over cause I know he did work for them or was marvel messing around with artiest and writers too?​
 
Marvel and DC was the plantation back in the day. They weren't giving up shit. That's why all those artists left and formed Image back in the early 90's so they could have creative ownership of their creations.
 
Marvel and DC was the plantation back in the day. They weren't giving up shit. That's why all those artists left and formed Image back in the early 90's so they could have creative ownership of their creations.


:lol::lol::lol:Good thread. I knew a cat that was trying to break into the comics field and he showed me a book that specifically said DO NOT WORK for MARVEL COMICS.:lol::lol::lol:Anyway, I did enjoy the WATCHMEN film and too bad Moore got the shaft.:smh:
 
:lol::lol::lol:Good thread. I knew a cat that was trying to break into the comics field and he showed me a book that specifically said DO NOT WORK for MARVEL COMICS.:lol::lol::lol:Anyway, I did enjoy the WATCHMEN film and too bad Moore got the shaft.:smh:

Well, to be honest did not get shafted so much as mistreated. In the end the fans ended up coming through for him and with that he was able to make DC stay on track with his payments and royalty...Trust me when he passes this earth...DC will have all kinds of Watchmen books out.
 
I dunno, this is a little before my time. don't know how Marvel or DC was like back then to there people

Just understand this one timeless principle...Companies rape the little man.

The End!


Well not really 'The End!' - Unless the little people fight back and assert their rights...even then....you may still get raped.

NOW!

The End!​
 
just did a quick read from the links u left Megazell, Damn DC or marvel could not cut a check or gave them 1% of what there character brought in to these guy that made them god knows how much money.:smh:
 
just did a quick read from the links u left Megazell, Damn DC or marvel could not cut a check or gave them 1% of what there character brought in to these guy that made them god knows how much money.:smh:

Yep.

I don't see this as an only DC or Marvel issue though. It's a good mix of the consumer base bias and corporate control out of hand.

There are a lot of indie (even back in 1986) companies that would give an artist/writer a better cut of their deals but the exposure would be limited because many readers prefer a company logo attached to a project.

A good example of this is 'Astro City' or books like 'The Crow' - Both have GREAT stories/art/design that became cult classics but because they came from smaller publishers, many consumer stayed away from it...I think it's an American thing how we (as a people) automatically assume a product is of a lower quality because it does not have a traditional name brand...Even though we all have had experience in which that known brands have produced lower quality products.

So this pushes talented individuals to make deals with big companies knowing full well they may get shafted but are willing to pay that price to get better exposure and a high slice of the economic pie.

You can apply this pressure principle to any other industry and it's the same pattern with different names.
 
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