Dictator Dozen — Africa's Worst Despots

[AllState17]

Thanks for this, this is rather easy, too easy..........

...

Do you want me to continue?????

Kaya Im sorely disappointed.

You tried to post me some history lesson that I already knew and could be found by anyone who bothered to google his name.

I think you havent been following this thread.

There is already no question that NA is backing him cause he got oil to sell. Thats why I already stated that the country is shock full of resources. We already knew that.

The question is HOW DOES THIS REMOVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FROM HIM???

That oil could be advancing the entire nation. All his peeps could/should be eating off it.

As it is this guy allows fake elections every 7 years, the leaders of the opposing parties are in exile, he tries to convince the nation that he is a divinity, his people stay grounded in devastating poverty, and all the oil moves shit except his bank accounts in the US.

But peeps want me to exonerate him and blame it all on the US cause they found a way to get cheap oil? Sorry, but he is my brother, and he is the leader of his nation, so when he betrays that nation I point at him.

The meddling of foreigners will stop when they wont find any more traitors to do business with.

 

[redcee]

So dumb ass. These women aren't black?

Read this, then start reading books.


"Native African populations are phenotypically "polytypic", that is, there exists in Africa a variety of phenotypes (faces and/or body shapes) that may differ from the stereotypical "Negro", falsely formed and firmly fixed within the rigid imagination and classification of Eurocentric observers. Crawford outlines six of these variants or types. I shall, lest they be lost to students, highlight the main features of these types. There is the Elogated variant, to which General Aidid, who fought our troops to a standoff in Somalia, belongs. This variant is distinguished by an elongated body build, narrow head, face and nose, dark skin and spiralled hair, thick but not everted lips, They range from long to moderately long-headed, with a narrow nasal opening, long narrow face and mild to absent prognathism (that is, with either slightly protruding or non-protruding upper jaw/lower face). this stands in contrast to the classical Negro type but are indigenous, unmixed Africans. They were living in Africa long before Egypt was born. The Elogated type includes the Fulani, the Tutsi and the Hima (Rwanda) the Masai (Kenya) the Galla (Ethiopia) the Somalis (Somalia) and the Beja (Northern Sudan)." I believe Ivan Van Sertima Explained this Ph. D

The point that duppy is trying to make is rather obvious but his choice of words may have been misconstrued. He has cleared it up but let me just add to it. He is simply stating that what he considers "black" are the ancestors of african americans. To my knowledge, the countries in the horn of africa did not have slaves transported to the western hemisphere. Which is simply why he identifies west, central, and southern africa as being black. The phenotypes are more closely related throughout africa but seem to differentiate much more above the sahara.

Sakem, can you give the source to the quote above as I would like to read further into it.

 

[kefta]

??????????????????????????????

That logic is what fueled a genocide in sudan(and continues to).

Does the instance of a majority of norwegians having blond hair and blue eyes mean that the people in the eastern bloc of europe aren't caucasian?


Does the instance of japanese having slightly different facial features when compared to the chinese mean that they are not asian?



Ethiopian, somali,sudanese--> having suave hair or lighter skin does not mean they aren't black. Black men don't all look the same. We carry different physical characteristics.



There are people who are even trying to say that the tuareg aren't black. People speak as if all "sub-saharan" africans must be the same.

And this "sub-saharan" bullshit has been introduced by who? Historians hailing from what countries?

it is all a bullshit mentality that is designed to disintegrate the ties within the african continent in order to continue the degradation of what europeans call the "black man".

thank you very much sir.

 

[kefta]

I hear you, however nobody is born with the intentions of maintaining the system of white supremacy. If you are willing to believe that african leaders are merely subjects to this system (i.e. brainwashed to follow it) then by that same logic, european leaders are also brainwashed by this system despite the fact that they benefit from it.

Sorry, you're just reaching when you say that african leaders are not held responsible at all

Yes you are right, "nobody is born with the intentions of maintaining the system of white supremacy". I will not disagree with you here but most, not all, people that are later classified as white pick up the racist/white supremacist code and logic and continue to maintain and support the system. I can't go with the assumption that European leaders are "brain washed" Why? because many of them have access to a lot of information that would make this world a better place, but they, not all, decided to maintain the system of racism/white supremacy. That's why i say, if someone is classified as white and is in a position to practice racism/white supremacy, then they are racist/white supremacist suspects. Why because the system is in place and it is called racism/white supremacy. In regard to responsibility: Do you hold a slave responsible for being a slave or do you hold the slave master responsible for setting up the slave system? Simple yes or no question Sir...Most, if not all, African leaders are told to be democratic. Now, have you ever asked your self these questions, why should Africans be democratic? Why should the world be based on a political system called democracy? According to who and why? and if Africans are democratic, will every African on the continent have access to water, food and shelter? What is the relation between democracy and "racism"? By the way, what is "Democracy"

 

[kefta]

You need to add the United States as the worst despotic government in the world.

1. The United States proclaims it was founded on the principles of freedom. Began by killing indigenous population, settled in other countries territories and engaged in war (Mexico) taking their land. 'Bought' other areas from other European Nations even though they never had a legitimate claim. Utilized war, mass starvation, or fraud to gain additional territory from the native population.

2. Although the United States professes freedom of speech, the government on many occasions has blocked employment opportunities, with the cooperation of the private sector of many well known people as punishment for their speech regarding war or civil rights causing harm.

3. Overthrows of kills democratically elected leaders for nationalizing resources such as petroleum.

4. Utilized nuclear weapons on non-military populations even though the other country never possessed the technology. Proposed utilizing nuclear weapons on other countries during conflicts that did not possess the technology. Proliferated the technology to other countries, increasing the chance for nuclear war.

5. Engages in an extensive domestic and international surveillance program, red flags individuals for a number of reasons and attempts subvert their activities or assassinate covertly.

6. Utilize slavery to acquire great wealth, only abolished slavery due to population concerns and loss of jobs to slaves. Created an apartheid system afterwards and engaged in terrorism to undermine. Denied voting, land ownership, and access to education. Undermined any economic development of the former slave population to ensure control of the resources.

7. Death Penalty

8. The United States spends vastly more war spending than any other country in the world, undermining domestic spending on social safety net programs. Has troop presence in many other countries throughout the world.

9. Established an economic system that transfer wealth to a small percentage of the population. These elites routinely enter into politics or fund campaigns to control the creation of laws that favor them such as employment at will, formation of Unions.

10. Mass media is compromised due to advertising to maximize profits. Routinely engages in propaganda to promote war or the economic system of the elite.

11. Highest percentage of the population in prison. Law enforcement target minorities who make up a vast majority of the prison population.

12. Gone to war with nations without provocation and without the other nation declaring war on the United States (Vietnam, North Korea, and Iraq).

13. Torture

Don't fall for the propaganda being spewed out, a democratic government doesn't mean shit. Some countries like Cuba or China are open about their dirt, the United States does their crap in the dark, hidden. We should be the last on the list setting up a government in another country

They will not hear... Good post. In fact i hate the term DEMOCRACY because it is usually used to directly and indirectly maintain white global hegemony.

 

[kefta]

The point that duppy is trying to make is rather obvious but his choice of words may have been misconstrued. He has cleared it up but let me just add to it. He is simply stating that what he considers "black" are the ancestors of african americans. To my knowledge, the countries in the horn of africa did not have slaves transported to the western hemisphere. Which is simply why he identifies west, central, and southern africa as being black. The phenotypes are more closely related throughout africa but seem to differentiate much more above the sahara.

Sakem, can you give the source to the quote above as I would like to read further into it.

What about Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania.....? So, just because some EAST Africans were not transported to the "new world" then they are not black?

 

[Count23]

Yes you are right, "nobody is born with the intentions of maintaining the system of white supremacy". I will not disagree with you here but most, not all, people that are later classified as white pick up the racist/white supremacist code and logic and continue to maintain and support the system. I can't go with the assumption that European leaders are "brain washed" Why? because many of them have access to a lot of information that would make this world a better place, but they, not all, decided to maintain the system of racism/white supremacy. That's why i say, if someone is classified as white and is in a position to practice racism/white supremacy, then they are racist/white supremacist suspects. Why because the system is in place and it is called racism/white supremacy. In regard to responsibility: Do you hold a slave responsible for being a slave or do you hold the slave master responsible for setting up the slave system? Simple yes or no question Sir...Most, if not all, African leaders are told to be democratic. Now, have you ever asked your self these questions, why should Africans be democratic? Why should the world be based on a political system called democracy? According to who and why? and if Africans are democratic, will every African on the continent have access to water, food and shelter? What is the relation between democracy and "racism"? By the way, what is "Democracy"

1) Ok so what about these same African leaders who travel to Europe/US and have access to this same info? What do you say about these leaders who send their kids to the best schools in Europe/US so that they can come back home and help further their own family goals at the expense of the people?

2)Nope I would not blame the slave for setting up the slave system, just as I wouldn't blame non-white people world wide for setting up this system, but that's not what I'm talking about. You're tryna say that these leaders are spotless becuz of this system. Would you blame the slave who betrayed the rebellious minded slaves to massa, or would you just say that they're also puppets on a string?

3)Democracy is just a word. Do you have any better methods of governance?

 

[water]

Kaya Im sorely disappointed.

You tried to post me some history lesson that I already knew and could be found by anyone who bothered to google his name.

I think you havent been following this thread.

There is already no question that NA is backing him cause he got oil to sell. Thats why I already stated that the country is shock full of resources. We already knew that.

The question is HOW DOES THIS REMOVE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FROM HIM???

That oil could be advancing the entire nation. All his peeps could/should be eating off it.

As it is this guy allows fake elections every 7 years, the leaders of the opposing parties are in exile, he tries to convince the nation that he is a divinity, his people stay grounded in devastating poverty, and all the oil moves shit except his bank accounts in the US.

But peeps want me to exonerate him and blame it all on the US cause they found a way to get cheap oil? Sorry, but he is my brother, and he is the leader of his nation, so when he betrays that nation I point at him.

The meddling of foreigners will stop when they wont find any more traitors to do business with.

Bro, I am not saying these men are not to be held accountable.

I'm saying that these men are enabled by Western countries, the very same countries who claim to hold the moral high ground.

My post shows how these western countries have been controlling this country first, directly until 1968 and then indirectly until now.

Do you really think they are not controlling this country?

If Obiang wakes up tomorrow and decides he wants to change, he will know that his fate will end up like Sadaam in Iraq who once worked for the US and then decided he wanted to do his own thing.

History is littered with leaders, including Africans leaders who tried to do the right thing and their fate is death at the hands of the very same western countries who talk that shit.

It is only until recently that African countries have an alternative in China who may not be that much better but at least they don't meddle in the affairs of the country.

All that axis of evil, dictator bullshit and the US is still trading with them..........

Aiding and abetting

Go figure

 

[kefta]

1) Ok so what about these same African leaders who travel to Europe/US and have access to this same info? What do you say about these leaders who send their kids to the best schools in Europe/US so that they can come back home and help further their own family goals at the expense of the people?


2)Nope I would not blame the slave for setting up the slave system, just as I wouldn't blame non-white people world wide for setting up this system, but that's not what I'm talking about. You're tryna say that these leaders are spotless becuz of this system. Would you blame the slave who betrayed the rebellious minded slaves to massa, or would you just say that they're also puppets on a string?

3)Democracy is just a word. Do you have any better methods of governance?

1). Sir, the information that non white people get is limited. Look at the whole BS about the global financial crisis, how many non white people know exactly what went down? Who is responsible? Take New Orleans as an example and the levees, take the food riots of 1998. White folk knew ahead of non white people what exactly went down or is going down. Another example is the Rwanda Genocide. The dominant group gives the dominated group limited information. That is the aim of domination or else it would be illogical. You don't give the oppressed information so that they can become more powerful than you. Ever heard of that happening. When one is in power, their goal is to maintain that power in all known nine areas (education, economics, entertainment, labor, law, politics, sex, war and religion) of people activity. And one way to maintain that power is to limit information.

2)Why set up a slave system in the first place? Why set up a system that is based on the mistreatment of people based on "race" or color? ALWAYS BLAME THOSE THAT SET UP THE SYSTEM.

3)Democracy is just a word by the system of racism/white supremacy is a reality. Now, that's what i am talking about. Don't deceive people that the goal is democracy when it is the system of racism/white supremacy.

 

[duppy_maka]

kats like KEFTA, KAYANATION, NZINGA, DR.MUNHIHAUSEN II

suffer from a victims mentally


it's like the black man that screams all day
America is racist and he can't get ahead because the white man won't hire him

instead of focusing on gaining real skills so he can go into business for himself and free himself of having to deal with the white man

it's like the "black israelite " on 34 st and times sq area here in new york city

screaming at the top of there lungs
"black man is the original man"
"the white man stole this, stole that"

spending all there time reading history books trying to find all the crimes the white man committed against the black man
instead of spending there time gaining real skills so they can build strong black communities.

if you've been victimized you can do one of two things

realize you've been victimized but don't let that stop you living a happy productive life

or

you can use that victimization as an excuse for your failure and unhappiness.

Sub Saharan's Africa's greatest problem is

incompetent evil greedy leadership

that is a fact

it's the same way with Haiti
you want to know why Haiti is so fucked up

incompetent evil greedy leadership

yes "papa doc" and "baby doc" were puppets for the american, canadan and french governments
but
is that an excuse for what they did to the Haitian people..?

African kats love to point out American corruption when you ask them why their leaders are so corrupt

but

American and African corruption are two totally different things
yes america's political system is corrupt
but
for the most part
shit still gets done

schools get built
roads get paved


In a lot of these African countries
shit ain't getting build
all the leaders are doing is stealing the money and putting it in swizz bank accounts

think about this for a second
what's more fucked up

the white man exploiting African people or the African leaders exploiting their own people.

ask yourself that.

 

[AllState17]

Bro, I am not saying these men are not to be held accountable.

I'm saying that these men are enabled by Western countries, the very same countries who claim to hold the moral high ground.

My post shows how these western countries have been controlling this country first, directly until 1968 and then indirectly until now.

Do you really think they are not controlling this country?

If Obiang wakes up tomorrow and decides he wants to change, he will know that his fate will end up like Sadaam in Iraq who once worked for the US and then decided he wanted to do his own thing.

History is littered with leaders, including Africans leaders who tried to do the right thing and their fate is death at the hands of the very same western countries who talk that shit.

It is only until recently that African countries have an alternative in China who may not be that much better but at least they don't meddle in the affairs of the country.

All that axis of evil, dictator bullshit and the US is still trading with them..........

Aiding and abetting

Go figure

Look lets be clear then.

Almost every dictator on earth is backed by a foreign nation who benefits from their regime. That was never in doubt.

But because those men have backers does not mean that they are controlled, or forced into the actions they take. And even in the event that they were controlled, they only end up there because they betrayed their people, one way or another.

Obigang, for example, I do not believe that he is controlled by the US. I think the US dont give a fuck what he does with his money so long as he keeps feeding them that cheap oil.

I have never seen any shred of evidence that Obigang one day woke up and decided to share the wealth with his people, but the US strongly "advised" him against it.

So Im sorry but I wont take that as an excuse. I just wont. In fact, Im sick of all the excuses you and others make by trying to pretend that those dictators hands are now tied. History is also filled with men who risked their lives for the betterment of their people. The difference is choice.

Like I said before the meddling by the West will end when foreign nations wont find any more traitors to do business with.

 

[actinanass]

Japan no natural resources 2 largest economy in the world

Sub-Saharan Africa filled with natural resources
still the great majority of the population live in poverty..

shit don't make sense man
it definitely starts with the fucked up leadership of most of these Sub-Saharan African countries

incompetent, evil, greedy leaders who don't give a fuck about there people.

all they care about is stealing the money and putting it in swiss bank accounts..

Japan has order, and believes heavily in tradition. The family structure the Japanese presents make their situation ideal for economic growth. If you noticed, most of these dictators gain power through killing their predecessors. There's no true elections, and the lead man tends to hold the economic keys. In Japan, they follow the American way of Capitalism. Which is, building a growing economy is more important than ONE despot having all the money. Meaning, if there's MORE people with money, more will become wealthy through their own labor. Supply and demand....

 

[water]

Look lets be clear then.

Almost every dictator on earth is backed by a foreign nation who benefits from their regime. That was never in doubt.

But because those men have backers does not mean that they are controlled, or forced into the actions they take. And even in the event that they were controlled, they only end up there because they betrayed their people, one way or another.

Obigang, for example, I do not believe that he is controlled by the US. I think the US dont give a fuck what he does with his money so long as he keeps feeding them that cheap oil.

I have never seen any shred of evidence that Obigang one day woke up and decided to share the wealth with his people, but the US strongly "advised" him against it.

So Im sorry but I wont take that as an excuse. I just wont. In fact, Im sick of all the excuses you and others make by trying to pretend that those dictators hands are now tied. History is also filled with men who risked their lives for the betterment of their people. The difference is choice.

Like I said before the meddling by the West will end when foreign nations wont find any more traitors to do business with.

Japan has order, and believes heavily in tradition. The family structure the Japanese presents make their situation ideal for economic growth. If you noticed, most of these dictators gain power through killing their predecessors. There's no true elections, and the lead man tends to hold the economic keys. In Japan, they follow the American way of Capitalism. Which is, building a growing economy is more important than ONE despot having all the money. Meaning, if there's MORE people with money, more will become wealthy through their own labor. Supply and demand....

Ahhhh......

Now we are progressing.


You see the color of Obiang's skin, you think he is black.
If you were to see his mind, it would be "white".

What do you think the goal of colonization was?
To create white thinking black skinned people who would act exactly like if massa were present.
i.e. slavery from afar........
Actinganass mentioned Japan and order & tradition. Do you think these were preserved during colonization? Isn't the goal of colonization to change the culture and way of life of the victims to ensure generational control i.e. white supremacy?

E. Guinea became independent in 1968 Bro, that is a couple of years before I was born. That is recent.

US Independence= 1776
Civil Rights Act =1968
Difference = 192 years

It took America 192 years for black people & women to have the right to vote

30 years later they want to take the moral ground to talk about dictators?



E Guinea Independence= 1968

Since then the very same US has been shaping the outcome of the elections and enabling Obiang.

He goes against the program and he will end up like Mugabe, assassinated by the media.

You talk like it is a burden that is easy to carry, ask Obama how is that working out so far and he hasn't even rocked the boat that much.............

As I said I don't condone the shit of some of Africa's leaders but show me better elsewhere?

I'm waiting to see Europe's Worst Despots next.

Ever see that shit printed? Ask yourself why not?

 

[AllState17]

Ahhhh......

Now we are progressing.


You see the color of Obiang's skin, you think he is black.
If you were to see his mind, it would be "white".

What do you think the goal of colonization was?
To create white thinking black skinned people who would act exactly like if massa were present.
i.e. slavery from afar........
Actinganass mentioned Japan and order & tradition. Do you think these were preserved during colonization? Isn't the goal of colonization to change the culture and way of life of the victims to ensure generational control i.e. white supremacy?

E. Guinea became independent in 1968 Bro, that is a couple of years before I was born. That is recent.

US Independence= 1776
Civil Rights Act =1968
Difference = 192 years

It took America 192 years for black people & women to have the right to vote

30 years later they want to take the moral ground to talk about dictators?



E Guinea Independence= 1968

Since then the very same US has been shaping the outcome of the elections and enabling Obiang.

He goes against the program and he will end up like Mugabe, assassinated by the media.

You talk like it is a burden that is easy to carry, ask Obama how is that working out so far and he hasn't even rocked the boat that much.............

As I said I don't condone the shit of some of Africa's leaders but show me better elsewhere?

I'm waiting to see Europe's Worst Despots next.

Ever see that shit printed? Ask yourself why not?

The problem I have with your views and so many others is that you are constantly trying to remind us that there is worse elsewhere. Why should I care that a list from Europe would be worse? Is there a point to prove in that assertion?

If European dictators is the standard you want to use when assessing African ones then be my guest, but I happen to believe in a higher standard for my people. Because if we look we will always find worse.

Moving on to your point of colonization, Im sorry to say that slavery from afar is not what is happening in E Guinea. Now E Guinea mostly does business with the US. They were colonized by Spain. The old masters have relinquished control and there is hardly any evidence they still control anything at all there. The US didnt start doing business with E Guinea until recently when they found out it was full of oil. The money stacking and population control there pre-date US involvement.

I know they have only had their independence since 68, and realistically it takes longer then that to build a flourishing democracy. But you know what, I expect them to try. Thats all I ask. And Im not making any excuses for those who dont.

But you know what we agree that Obiang is a traitor to his people. To your specific historic point, it is true that colonization will shatter and fragment a population into a million pieces. It is very easy to find traitors in such an environment.

 

[water]

The problem I have with your views and so many others is that you are constantly trying to remind us that there is worse elsewhere. Why should I care that a list from Europe would be worse? Is there a point to prove in that assertion?

If European dictators is the standard you want to use when assessing African ones then be my guest, but I happen to believe in a higher standard for my people. Because if we look we will always find worse.

Moving on to your point of colonization, Im sorry to say that slavery from afar is not what is happening in E Guinea. Now E Guinea mostly does business with the US. They were colonized by Spain. The old masters have relinquished control and there is hardly any evidence they still control anything at all there. The US didnt start doing business with E Guinea until recently when they found out it was full of oil. The money stacking and population control there pre-date US involvement.

I know they have only had their independence since 68, and realistically it takes longer then that to build a flourishing democracy. But you know what, I expect them to try. Thats all I ask. And Im not making any excuses for those who dont.

But you know what we agree that Obiang is a traitor to his people. To your specific historic point, it is true that colonization will shatter and fragment a population into a million pieces. It is very easy to find traitors in such an environment.

We agree on a lot of things but I'm saying to you:

As I said I don't condone the shit of some of Africa's leaders but show me better elsewhere?

I'm waiting to see Europe's Worst Despots next.

Ever see that shit printed? Ask yourself why not?

There is a reason this list was made. Who made it & why?

 

[kefta]

kats like KEFTA, KAYANATION, NZINGA, DR.MUNHIHAUSEN II

suffer from a victims mentally


it's like the black man that screams all day
America is racist and he can't get ahead because the white man won't hire him

instead of focusing on gaining real skills so he can go into business for himself and free himself of having to deal with the white man

it's like the "black israelite " on 34 st and times sq area here in new york city

screaming at the top of there lungs
"black man is the original man"
"the white man stole this, stole that"

spending all there time reading history books trying to find all the crimes the white man committed against the black man
instead of spending there time gaining real skills so they can build strong black communities.

if you've been victimized you can do one of two things

realize you've been victimized but don't let that stop you living a happy productive life

or

you can use that victimization as an excuse for your failure and unhappiness.

Sub Saharan's Africa's greatest problem is

incompetent evil greedy leadership

that is a fact

it's the same way with Haiti
you want to know why Haiti is so fucked up

incompetent evil greedy leadership

yes "papa doc" and "baby doc" were puppets for the american, canadan and french governments
but
is that an excuse for what they did to the Haitian people..?

African kats love to point out American corruption when you ask them why their leaders are so corrupt

but

American and African corruption are two totally different things
yes america's political system is corrupt
but
for the most part
shit still gets done

schools get built
roads get paved


In a lot of these African countries
shit ain't getting build
all the leaders are doing is stealing the money and putting it in swizz bank accounts

think about this for a second
what's more fucked up

the white man exploiting African people or the African leaders exploiting their own people.

ask yourself that.

Sir you have not refereed to some of my posts: Ethiopians and Somalians are not black because of "culture" influence Take the L and lets move on Sir. With that said, if racism/white supremacy is the dominant system, then those that set it up and directly maintain it are to blame for the social, political and economical situation in environments that are dominated by non white people.

 

[kefta]

kats like KEFTA, KAYANATION, NZINGA, DR.MUNHIHAUSEN II

suffer from a victims mentally


it's like the black man that screams all day
America is racist and he can't get ahead because the white man won't hire him

instead of focusing on gaining real skills so he can go into business for himself and free himself of having to deal with the white man

it's like the "black israelite " on 34 st and times sq area here in new york city

screaming at the top of there lungs
"black man is the original man"
"the white man stole this, stole that"

spending all there time reading history books trying to find all the crimes the white man committed against the black man
instead of spending there time gaining real skills so they can build strong black communities.

if you've been victimized you can do one of two things

realize you've been victimized but don't let that stop you living a happy productive life

or

you can use that victimization as an excuse for your failure and unhappiness.

Sub Saharan's Africa's greatest problem is

incompetent evil greedy leadership

that is a fact

it's the same way with Haiti
you want to know why Haiti is so fucked up

incompetent evil greedy leadership

yes "papa doc" and "baby doc" were puppets for the american, canadan and french governments
but
is that an excuse for what they did to the Haitian people..?

African kats love to point out American corruption when you ask them why their leaders are so corrupt

but

American and African corruption are two totally different things
yes america's political system is corrupt
but
for the most part
shit still gets done

schools get built
roads get paved


In a lot of these African countries
shit ain't getting build
all the leaders are doing is stealing the money and putting it in swizz bank accounts

think about this for a second
what's more fucked up

the white man exploiting African people or the African leaders exploiting their own people.

ask yourself that.

How do you not deal with the "white man"? Even on the African continent it is not possible not to deal with the white man. Maybe you may not deal with an individual white man, but you will "always" be subject to the global, nation and local system of white hegemony. This goes to show Sir, that you don't know what racism/white supremacy as a national, local and global system is. Guess you also believe that apartheid meant that black people had no contact with white people. Even OPRAH, JORDAN, Tiger Woods, etc with all their little money are in constant contact with white people or function as subjects based on a power relation to white people within the global system of white hegemony. And if someone on BGOL tells you that they don't have to deal with white men/women then they are lying to you. Simply ask them to tell you who owns the banks where they keep their money? or who defines or gives value to the money that they have? Even worse, the hundred dollar bill that you might have in your pocket is evidence that you are dealing with white people. Why? You didn't print that money. Sir, correct me if i am wrong. Talk to me...

 

[Count23]

1). Sir, the information that non white people get is limited. Look at the whole BS about the global financial crisis, how many non white people know exactly what went down? Who is responsible? Take New Orleans as an example and the levees, take the food riots of 1998. White folk knew ahead of non white people what exactly went down or is going down. Another example is the Rwanda Genocide. The dominant group gives the dominated group limited information. That is the aim of domination or else it would be illogical. You don't give the oppressed information so that they can become more powerful than you. Ever heard of that happening. When one is in power, their goal is to maintain that power in all known nine areas (education, economics, entertainment, labor, law, politics, sex, war and religion) of people activity. And one way to maintain that power is to limit information.

That is more class than anything. Do you think that some racist redneck in some backwater Southern state town would have more access to highly prized info than an African leader's children who atends some of the best schools in Europe/US? You're trippin.

2)Why set up a slave system in the first place? Why set up a system that is based on the mistreatment of people based on "race" or color? ALWAYS BLAME THOSE THAT SET UP THE SYSTEM.

Humans have always exploited those that they considered to be outside of their group. Have you ever heard the term dehumanization? Africans were exploited becuz of their resilience in tropical weather. The justifications of their subjugation came afterwards, and took on a life of their own. Again, those with access to more info are held more responsible. I'm not denying the fucked up policies that the IMF an 'em enforced on the 3rd world, but to say that the leaders are completely spotless is just disingenuous.

3)Democracy is just a word by the system of racism/white supremacy is a reality. Now, that's what i am talking about. Don't deceive people that the goal is democracy when it is the system of racism/white supremacy.

You didn't answer my question.

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[Count23]

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/06/21/the_worst_of_the_worst?page=0,0

The full list.

 

[water]

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/06/21/the_worst_of_the_worst?page=0,0

The full list.

I Colin'ed that shit on the second line

"Bad dude dictators and general coconut heads"

 

[Deuterion]

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I think it is 50/50 in that Africa's leaders need to unite and challenge the oppressor but we must understand what the fate of these countries will be when those things are done. America will have them killed right away like they have done all over. Look at what happened to South American leaders who stood up against White Supremacy i.e. Omar Torrijos of Panama. When he took his resources for his people he died mysteriously and then there was a puppet leader instated. Hugo Chavez is standing up to the oppressor now and he has had many attempts on his life and all he is doing is ousting the corporations that were exploiting his people and land. That's why I agree with Hugo and feel that Africa and South America need to unite so that they can fight the establishment and become self-sufficient entities.

 

[kefta]

That is more class than anything. Do you think that some racist redneck in some backwater Southern state town would have more access to highly prized info than an African leader's children who atends some of the best schools in Europe/US? You're trippin.

Sir, when i say racist/white supremacist suspects it means all people that are classified as white and are in a position to practice racism/white supremacy. I am not specifically refer to red necks. Now, according to the evidence black people can't function as a class because they have no class group that can fully protect its interests from the racists/white supremacist suspects (IMF. World Bank, Africom, AIG, etc)

Humans have always exploited those that they considered to be outside of their group. Have you ever heard the term dehumanization? Africans were exploited becuz of their resilience in tropical weather. The justifications of their subjugation came afterwards, and took on a life of their own. Again, those with access to more info are held more responsible. I'm not denying the fucked up policies that the IMF an 'em enforced on the 3rd world, but to say that the leaders are completely spotless is just disingenuous.

"Humans" might have exploited each other. That is not my concern and i have never said that exploitation has never taken place. I am talking about a system that was set up by the people who classified themselves as white and others as non white with the intention to mistreat on a global, national and local basis the non white people. Maybe "Africans" did exploit "Africans" but since the set up of racism/white supremacy it is the whole white supported institutions, governments and organizations that mistreat "Africans" and "Africans" are not in a position to mistreat, in all known nine areas of people activity, any white collective.

You didn't answer my question.

You said that DEMOCRACY is just a word. And i said RACISM/white supremacy is a reality. Now, what form of government do you really think exists? Of cause the system of racism/white supremacy because it is a reality and DEMOCRACY is just a word. Racism/white supremacy as a government means white people tell African leaders what to do, in all known nine areas of people activity, and how to do. So who do you blame if things don't work out right? Especially if this relationship is based on a power relation? What form of government would i prefer instead of the system of racism/white supremacy? Any, just as long as it is not based on the mistreatment of people on the basis "race" and/or color. A government that is dominated by "justice" and not "just-us".

 

[kefta]

I Colin'ed that shit on the second line

"Bad dude dictators and general coconut heads"

I tell you man! They are talking about "FAILED STATES" What do they mean? Another one of those terms that are not clearly defined. Why don't they just say "FAILED PEOPLE" because a so called state can not exist without people.

 

[Les W]

Look at the Leaders and political situation in the Middle East, then look at South America

Africans are not divine beings by no means .... all humans can be corrupted ... this is human nature as we know it today .....

But trust me these men did NOT and DO NOT act alone ... the imperial boot is still very much on Africa's neck (as well as the middle east and s. america)

You don't have to do much thinking or reading to see it either IMO

 

[Count23]

I think it is 50/50 in that Africa's leaders need to unite and challenge the oppressor but we must understand what the fate of these countries will be when those things are done. America will have them killed right away like they have done all over. Look at what happened to South American leaders who stood up against White Supremacy i.e. Omar Torrijos of Panama. When he took his resources for his people he died mysteriously and then there was a puppet leader instated. Hugo Chavez is standing up to the oppressor now and he has had many attempts on his life and all he is doing is ousting the corporations that were exploiting his people and land. That's why I agree with Hugo and feel that Africa and South America need to unite so that they can fight the establishment and become self-sufficient entities.

Look I haven't denied any of that. I'm talking about the dudes who pretend as tho corrupt leaders are completely spotless and unaccountable.

 

[Count23]

Sir, when i say racist/white supremacist suspects it means all people that are classified as white and are in a position to practice racism/white supremacy. I am not specifically refer to red necks. Now, according to the evidence black people can't function as a class because they have no class group that can fully protect its interests from the racists/white supremacist suspects (IMF. World Bank, Africom, AIG, etc)


In order to have a class group there has to be unity. Which cannot emerge when the people are being forgotten while their leaders fill their own coffers.

"Humans" might have exploited each other. That is not my concern and i have never said that exploitation has never taken place. I am talking about a system that was set up by the people who classified themselves as white and others as non white with the intention to mistreat on a global, national and local basis the non white people. Maybe "Africans" did exploit "Africans" but since the set up of racism/white supremacy it is the whole white supported institutions, governments and organizations that mistreat "Africans" and "Africans" are not in a position to mistreat, in all known nine areas of people activity, any white collective.

Fine. So if the leader of a country, by their actions are helpin the system exploit their own people, why should they then be exempt from scrutiny?

You said that DEMOCRACY is just a word. And i said RACISM/white supremacy is a reality. Now, what form of government do you really think exists? Of cause the system of racism/white supremacy because it is a reality and DEMOCRACY is just a word. Racism/white supremacy as a government means white people tell African leaders what to do, in all known nine areas of people activity, and how to do. So who do you blame if things don't work out right? Especially if this relationship is based on a power relation? What form of government would i prefer instead of the system of racism/white supremacy? Any, just as long as it is not based on the mistreatment of people on the basis "race" and/or color. A government that is dominated by "justice" and not "just-us".

1)Again I'm not denying what you are saying. However one of the main reasons that it works is becuz the leaders are willing to let their people be exploited for their own short sighted gain.

2)Ideally, democracy is the only known system that can best achieve this.

 

[Les W]

1)Again I'm not denying what you are saying. However one of the main reasons that it works is becuz the leaders are willing to let their people be exploited for their own short sighted gain.

2)Ideally, democracy is the only known system that can best achieve this.

1. You act like the leaders have a choice ...

Even Steve Wonder can see that it would be more profitable to subsidize the extraction of resources and bring them to the market yourself ... look at the leaders of Saudi Arabia, the oil countries in the middle east and OPEAC [sp?]

If the African leaders tried that?????

2. Well if we are talking Ideally.... socialism and communism is even more IDEAL for an area so rich in natural resources ...being that those resources are public property .... democracy in action is a buzzword nothing more

 

[water]

Look I haven't denied any of that. I'm talking about the dudes who pretend as tho corrupt leaders are completely spotless and unaccountable.

Dudes like who?

 

[Count23]

Dudes like who?

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So I take it that African leaders can never be held responsible for anything? how about 50 years from now, will it be ok to critisize them by that point, or are africans gonna be brainwashed forever?

No non white person should be held responsible of this global, national and local system of mistreatment. The system is a system of white global dominance and it influences directly and indirectly the political, social and economical relations in Africa and in all regions that are predominantly non white. 50 years from now? well it all depends on if the system is still in existence.

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1. You act like the leaders have a choice ...

Even Steve Wonder can see that it would be more profitable to subsidize the extraction of resources and bring them to the market yourself ... look at the leaders of Saudi Arabia, the oil countries in the middle east and OPEAC [sp?]

If the African leaders tried that?????

Well shit if it's gonna be like that, why fight for anything? Nothing would ever get done. With that mentality, lots of that happened would not have happened.

2. Well if we are talking Ideally.... socialism and communism is even more IDEAL for an area so rich in natural resources ...being that those resources are public property .... democracy in action is a buzzword nothing more

Socialism/Communism, while nice sounding ideas, never work at least when implemented fully. Humans are driven more by self interest than anything, and even if you create a situation where everyone is 'equal', there will always be those who feel that they deserve more for whatever reason creating a rift, or the govt. decrees that everyone is equal, while living like royalty. A capitalist/socialist society would be more realistic.

 

[Deuterion]

Socialism/Communism, while nice sounding ideas, never work at least when implemented fully. Humans are driven more by self interest than anything, and even if you create a situation where everyone is 'equal', there will always be those who feel that they deserve more for whatever reason creating a rift, or the govt. decrees that everyone is equal, while living like royalty. A capitalist/socialist society would be more realistic.

So you agree that humans are driven by self-interest and prefer a government and economic system that is driven by self-interest...makes perfect sense. Nice way to protect the people there.

 

[Les W]

Well shit if it's gonna be like that, why fight for anything? Nothing would ever get done. With that mentality, lots of that happened would not have happened.

You accused the African leaders of CHOOSING to make their citizens suffer.... largely for their own personal benefit ... and I'm telling you what I have found in my research .... "it" is not a mentality it is OFTEN a REALITY

So before you go pointing fingers maybe you should look into that ...

Socialism/Communism, while nice sounding ideas, never work at least when implemented fully. Humans are driven more by self interest than anything, and even if you create a situation where everyone is 'equal', there will always be those who feel that they deserve more for whatever reason creating a rift, or the govt. decrees that everyone is equal, while living like royalty. A capitalist/socialist society would be more realistic.

I would almost bet that you don't truly understand what democracy is or have much knowledge of communism either ... I feel like you are repeating what you heard somewhere....

no offense if you are not but these sound bites are almost comical

 

[Count23]

So you agree that humans are driven by self-interest and prefer a government and economic system that is driven by self-interest...makes perfect sense. Nice way to protect the people there.

Since when does pure Communism protect the people? So I guess you missed the last sentence where I said that the best system would probably be a socialist/capitalist hybrid?

Self interest does not automatically = exploitation. Person A goes to a store to buy goods from person B. Person B wants the money that person A has. They make a transaction. Person A gets the goods that they want, while person B gets the money that they want. Both driven by self interest.

If you have a better ideal of governance than the system where people get together to decide who will represent their interests in government, I'm willing to hear it.

Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others---some old cac

 

[SPECTRE1]

All we are doing now under capitalism is pyramid building for the elite like the Egyptians.

 

[Count23]

You accused the African leaders of CHOOSING to make their citizens suffer.... largely for their own personal benefit ... and I'm telling you what I have found in my research .... "it" is not a mentality it is OFTEN a REALITY

So before you go pointing fingers maybe you should look into that ...

Oh I'm not pretending as if they live in a bubble. I'm just not pretending that they don't benefit from it.

I would almost bet that you don't truly understand what democracy is or have much knowledge of communism either ... I feel like you are repeating what you heard somewhere....

no offense if you are not but these sound bites are almost comical

o rly? enlighten me o wise one, how is communism better than democracy if that is your position?

 

[kefta]

In order to have a class group there has to be unity. Which cannot emerge when the people are being forgotten while their leaders fill their own coffers.

Exactly. Then what is the use is using this term when referring to black people that function collectively under white global hegemony? You answered your self Sir. The dominated group directly and indirectly influences the UNITY of the dominated.

Fine. So if the leader of a country, by their actions are helpin the system exploit their own people, why should they then be exempt from scrutiny?

Yes! I blame the one that set up the slave system and not the one that functions as a slave. The slave master directly maintains and supports the system. The slave, who is subject to the slave master, is forced directly and indirectly to support the slave system. The slave is not to blame, because he/she is not in a power position. He/she does not define how the slave system is supposed to function.

1)Again I'm not denying what you are saying. However one of the main reasons that it works is becuz the leaders are willing to let their people be exploited for their own short sighted gain.

2)Ideally, democracy is the only known system that can best achieve this.

Once again, i would not blame the slave. And, i thought that "we" had concluded that democracy is just a WORD and that racism/white supremacy is a reality? Than why are people still willing to promote, support and talk about "DEMOCRACY" when it is just a word? Lets deal with the reality in order to solve the problem of white global hegemony.