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Something that everybody experiences, but no one can fully explain...
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Always gives me a weird feeling!!:yes::yes::yes:
 
Very interesting article in its entirety, but this portion get straight to the heart of things IMO, the bold part is profound and implicating on levels deeper than the movie inception!

" So we make two types of errors: a type I error, or false positive, is believing a pattern is real when it is not; a type II error, or false negative, is not believing a pattern is real when it is. If you believe that the rustle in the grass is a dangerous predator when it is just the wind (a type I error), you are more likely to survive than if you believe that the rustle in the grass is just the wind when it is a dangerous predator (a type II error). Because the cost of making a type I error is less than the cost of making a type II error "
Hmm. I'm yet to see this movie. Now I really wana see it ...
 
The Battle of Los Angeles 1942

Right during the height of WW2 and coming off the Pearl Habor attacks, the Westcoast was on edge. Army set up shop and were on high alert. Then one night an unidentified flying object is spotted and alarms go off and shots are fired into the sky.....over 1500 i believe. Without shooting down the object, the object then disappears......next day, Army tells the public it was just an excercise / weather balloon.

Watch video and judge for yourself......in particular the original photo taken and printed in the Los Angeles Times at the 1:02 mark

Assist please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQmbGMWlL7w
 
Something that everybody experiences, but no one can fully explain...
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Always gives me a weird feeling!!:yes::yes::yes:
Are you talking about not being able to explain how horrible the movie was?

J/K. LOL.

It's been linked to a memory anomaly/bias. I personally don't think there's anything mystical or metaphysical about it. That's just me though.

There's one theory called "The Cell Phone Theory". It goes something like, when we are distracted/focused with something else we subliminally take in what's around us but may not truly register it consciously. Then when we now focus on what we are doing, those surroundings appear to already be familiar to us even when they shouldn't be. Another one called the "Holographic Theory", which is pretty self explanatory.
 
Are you talking about not being able to explain how horrible the movie was?

J/K. LOL.

It's been linked to a memory anomaly/bias. I personally don't think there's anything mystical or metaphysical about it. That's just me though.

There's one theory called "The Cell Phone Theory". It goes something like, when we are distracted/focused with something else we subliminally take in what's around us but may not truly register it consciously. Then when we now focus on what we are doing, those surroundings appear to already be familiar to us even when they shouldn't be. Another one called the "Holographic Theory", which is pretty self explanatory.

Naw man, I ain't buying that!

There's times that I know when a complete stranger is gonna walk up to me and not only do I know what they're gonna say... I know the exact way they gonna say it!
It's almost like I'm watching a live movie all around me where I already know the script, the scene, the characters, etc...!

It only last a couple of seconds, but I'm totally aware of it while it's actually happening... weird shit!:eek:

There's nothing unique about me! When talking to friends, neighbors, etc... that shit happens to them the exact same way as well!

That's totally different from just knowing your surroundings while being distracted!


I believe the brain can do some amazing things that we are still not fully aware of!:yes::yes::yes:
 
Naw man, I ain't buying that!

There's times that I know when a complete stranger is gonna walk up to me and not only do I know what they're gonna say... I know the exact way they gonna say it!
It's almost like I'm watching a live movie all around me where I already know the script, the scene, the characters, etc...!

It only last a couple of seconds, but I'm totally aware of it while it's actually happening... weird shit!:eek:

There's nothing unique about me! When talking to friends, neighbors, etc... that shit happens to them the exact same way as well!

That's totally different from just knowing your surroundings while being distracted!


I believe the brain can do some amazing things that we are still not fully aware of!:yes::yes::yes:

That happen to me too...
 
Are you talking about not being able to explain how horrible the movie was?

J/K. LOL.

It's been linked to a memory anomaly/bias. I personally don't think there's anything mystical or metaphysical about it. That's just me though.

There's one theory called "The Cell Phone Theory". It goes something like, when we are distracted/focused with something else we subliminally take in what's around us but may not truly register it consciously. Then when we now focus on what we are doing, those surroundings appear to already be familiar to us even when they shouldn't be. Another one called the "Holographic Theory", which is pretty self explanatory.

1. Lets not be so quick to dismiss this one. I myself have experienced seemingly "new" Events/Occasions/People/Places with frightening familiarity. Their are "theories" that say this is a property of reincarnation?

2. Extrasensory perception (ESP), their may be a biological or even physical(physics:Frequencies in phase somehow?) reason for this.

2a(physics). i have read of experiments(quantum physics?) where pairs of atoms under the rules of "Pauli exclusion principle(must have opposite spin, if occupying the same orbit)" are shot in opposite directions at some point the spin of one is changed 180 of it original direction! THE STRANGE PART, the other untouched atom somehow, by unknown force and more specifically to "esp", unknown "connection" changes it spin to keep true to the "Pauli exclusion principle". This was a few years ago, i believe in popular science magazine if someone can find the article!

2b(biology). We all know that many species of animals including bats, dolphins, some bacteria, bees have special adaptations usually in the brain area(unknown currently with bacteria) that allows them to pick up things unperceived by us humans, or are they? The greatest connection of esp, is usually manifested between mother and child(Pauli exclusion principle here?, occupying the same "orbit" at conception), to the point where mothers usually seem to have an uncanny ability to know when something is wrong with their child(spin has been changed? unknown force felt by mom? unknown?), other people have been able to manifest such behavior as well, not knowing why but feeling strongly that something was amidst? Biology is simple, evolution is simple, the body doesn't expend unneeded energy on something that doesn't give it a clear selective advantage, thus whats the selective advantage of esp? not much that i can think of, thus the mechanism that guide it may firmly be in place in our brains, but tend to lay dominate(low energy state).Until that is, their is a selective pressure that forces it to go in a certain direction, for example lets say somehow we loose the ability to speak/write/sign language. Well, in order to survive, telepathy/esp(which may not be so supernatural, but some unknown force in nature) would be a possible selective advantage of us and our progeny!
 
Shirogane tunnel

The Shirogane tunnel located in Meguro, Tokyo, Japan according to urban legend is the shinigami’s (Japanese god of death [similar to the grim reaper]) gate way to the spiritual world. There have been sightings of unclear figures, visible for only a flash, standing in the middle of the road, and screaming faces have been seen silhouetted in the pillars of the tunnel. Some say the faces represent the victim’s lives he has taken, though others say the faces are shinigami’s own trying to scare away unwanted people. Some even believe they have seen shinigami cold and evil, crossing gateways to the spirit world.
 
That happen to me too...

Naw man, I ain't buying that!

There's times that I know when a complete stranger is gonna walk up to me and not only do I know what they're gonna say... I know the exact way they gonna say it!
It's almost like I'm watching a live movie all around me where I already know the script, the scene, the characters, etc...!

It only last a couple of seconds, but I'm totally aware of it while it's actually happening... weird shit!:eek:

There's nothing unique about me! When talking to friends, neighbors, etc... that shit happens to them the exact same way as well!

That's totally different from just knowing your surroundings while being distracted!


I believe the brain can do some amazing things that we are still not fully aware of!:yes::yes::yes:
and happens more often than i truly care to admit :yes::yes:
 
Shirogane tunnel

The Shirogane tunnel located in Meguro, Tokyo, Japan according to urban legend is the shinigami’s (Japanese god of death [similar to the grim reaper]) gate way to the spiritual world. There have been sightings of unclear figures, visible for only a flash, standing in the middle of the road, and screaming faces have been seen silhouetted in the pillars of the tunnel. Some say the faces represent the victim’s lives he has taken, though others say the faces are shinigami’s own trying to scare away unwanted people. Some even believe they have seen shinigami cold and evil, crossing gateways to the spirit world.

It's actually known as Sendagaya tunnel.
 
and happens more often than i truly care to admit :yes::yes:

Hell yeah, no doubt! And I know there's a lot more people on here that goes through the same weird shit all the time! :yes::yes:

My old college friends used to say that Deja Vu is the brain accidently tapping into the next level of thinking, but we just don't have the knowledge to stay there!
:eek::yes::yes::eek:
 
Naw man, I ain't buying that!

There's times that I know when a complete stranger is gonna walk up to me and not only do I know what they're gonna say... I know the exact way they gonna say it!
It's almost like I'm watching a live movie all around me where I already know the script, the scene, the characters, etc...!

It only last a couple of seconds, but I'm totally aware of it while it's actually happening... weird shit!:eek:

There's nothing unique about me! When talking to friends, neighbors, etc... that shit happens to them the exact same way as well!

That's totally different from just knowing your surroundings while being distracted!


I believe the brain can do some amazing things that we are still not fully aware of!:yes::yes::yes:


used to get that alot when i was younger, now it comes and goes
 
Hell yeah, no doubt! And I know there's a lot more people on here that goes through the same weird shit all the time! :yes::yes:

My old college friends used to say that Deja Vu is the brain accidently tapping into the next level of thinking, but we just don't have the knowledge to stay there!
:eek::yes::yes::eek:

True story in a game of chance(monopoly), it was my turn to roll the dice I was playing with about 10 people I looked at them and told them I would roll a double 5! I said it with a sense of conviction and surety that resonated through-out my whole being, words cannot explain the euphoric state I was in, In tuned with something to this day, I cannot describe.Of course everyone laugh and dismissed it, I rolled.....DOUBLE 5! Whatever luck, that was lucky blah blah was chanted. Still in that state I said," I can do it again!" I don't remember the series of numbers (3 and 5, 2 and 6 etc) all i know is 5 rolls later as I hit every single combination, the room was absolutely quite and afraid! terribly afraid. It was only until i saw the fear in my friends eyes and faces I began to be afraid and sort of snapped back to the "normal" world and never did that particular thing again.

I've done other things like that many times before and I'm sure others have as well, things like that are way too common for them to be just coincidences, IMO i believe we convenience ourselves such things are impossible so therefore whatever mechanism(some aspect of physics? biology? unknown!) guides them we unintentionally block!
 
i dont think anybody figured these out yet





this one looks similar but its not that clear


Them cats in the last video is mad skeptical and clownin the cloud, sayin that it looks like a giant sky ass!! Nicca said he could almost see an ass crack.:lol::lol:
 
Naw man, I ain't buying that!

There's times that I know when a complete stranger is gonna walk up to me and not only do I know what they're gonna say... I know the exact way they gonna say it!
It's almost like I'm watching a live movie all around me where I already know the script, the scene, the characters, etc...!

It only last a couple of seconds, but I'm totally aware of it while it's actually happening... weird shit!:eek:

There's nothing unique about me! When talking to friends, neighbors, etc... that shit happens to them the exact same way as well!

That's totally different from just knowing your surroundings while being distracted!


I believe the brain can do some amazing things that we are still not fully aware of!:yes::yes::yes:

That happen to me too...

and happens more often than i truly care to admit :yes::yes:

Hell yeah, no doubt! And I know there's a lot more people on here that goes through the same weird shit all the time! :yes::yes:

My old college friends used to say that Deja Vu is the brain accidently tapping into the next level of thinking, but we just don't have the knowledge to stay there!
:eek::yes::yes::eek:

used to get that alot when i was younger, now it comes and goes
And that's exactly why it's it's an UNCONSCIOUS cognitive bias.

Again, this isn't just a blind conjecture. There's been a lot of research into this using neurophysiological and psychological experiments (at time with synthetic and natural hallucinogens...the later being just modified biochemicals he body produces anyways) that strongly support theory.

It's one thing to suggest some multi-dimensional access portal the brain taps into and other 'theories' like that, but they're just untestable unpredictable conjectures, wishful ideas at best. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with imagination. But just saying "I don't buy that!" is meaningless without an alternative theory. Theory, not idea. Or religious experience. Which in some circles would be unequivocally dismissed as silly.

As for the dramatic type of precognition you're talking about, I don't know about that. What time-scales are we talking here? Milliseconds? Seconds? Minutes?

A fascinating area in cognitive science is the neuroscience of sensory illusions. Optical, auditory, etc. It teaches us a whole lot about what we think we know about what we don't actually know.

Tical, i'll read your post later. I'm late for tkd practice!
 


As for the dramatic type of precognition you're talking about, I don't know about that. What time-scales are we talking here? Milliseconds? Seconds? Minutes?


for me the longest its ever lasted was half a minute but most of the time its around 10 seconds
 
So are you saying that 30 seconds or 10 seconds before the person says or does something you know ahead of time?



nah, 10 to 30 seconds where i know everything thats about to happen. All the little details like time, what i'm eating, whos talkin, what they're talkin about, if theres a tv on, what might be on that tv, etc. i've never had vague deja vu, its always a repeat of as much detail as i notice
 
1. Lets not be so quick to dismiss this one. I myself have experienced seemingly "new" Events/Occasions/People/Places with frightening familiarity. Their are "theories" that say this is a property of reincarnation?

What theories? Or do you mean ideas or opinions? For the record, I'm talking about scientific theory.


2. Extrasensory perception (ESP), their may be a biological or even physical(physics:Frequencies in phase somehow?) reason for this.

I think Deja vu and ESP are quite different. Not sure if you're equating them. ESP by definition implies perception/cognition that's not acquired through our normal senses and not linked to any previous experience.

Anyway, while I don't completely rule out the phenomenon of ESP (I never absolutely rule anything out) I'm yet to see any concrete scientific theory ( testable evidence) of this. The concept is reasonable but not entirely rational. However, parapsychology is a growing field...



2a(physics). i have read of experiments(quantum physics?) where pairs of atoms under the rules of "Pauli exclusion principle(must have opposite spin, if occupying the same orbit)" are shot in opposite directions at some point the spin of one is changed 180 of it original direction! THE STRANGE PART, the other untouched atom somehow, by unknown force and more specifically to "esp", unknown "connection" changes it spin to keep true to the "Pauli exclusion principle". This was a few years ago, i believe in popular science magazine if someone can find the article!

I think the phenomenon you're referring to here is Quantum Entanglement and the experiment was first conducted by French Physicist Alain Aspect back in the 80's. The experiment, along with Bell's Inequalites test, strongly supported the "strangeness" that you're talking about.

But here's the problem. Extending quantum scale effects to classical macroscopic scale phenomena, like ESP or whatever, isn't that straight forward. An effect known as "Quantum Decoherence" (which is essentially the environment interacting with a quantum system to 'collapse' it into a classical system) prevents this.

A Google search of the highlighted terms should give you all the background info about this.




2b(biology). We all know that many species of animals including bats, dolphins, some bacteria, bees have special adaptations usually in the brain area(unknown currently with bacteria) that allows them to pick up things unperceived by us humans, or are they?

This is just communication of information at a electromagnetic wavelengths and frequencies that our biology/senses can't access. It's the same as the difference in optical information communication between someone who can see and a blind person.


The greatest connection of esp, is usually manifested between mother and child(Pauli exclusion principle here?, occupying the same "orbit" at conception), to the point where mothers usually seem to have an uncanny ability to know when something is wrong with their child(spin has been changed? unknown force felt by mom? unknown?), other people have been able to manifest such behavior as well, not knowing why but feeling strongly that something was amidst? Biology is simple, evolution is simple, the body doesn't expend unneeded energy on something that doesn't give it a clear selective advantage, thus whats the selective advantage of esp?

@ the highlighted; I think you might be over simplifying.
Also, these things you're talking about here are just human behavior on a macroscopic scale. You can't just extrapolate to subatomic quantum scale events, for the reasons I mentioned.



[/COLOR][/FONT]not much that i can think of, thus the mechanism that guide it may firmly be in place in our brains, but tend to lay dominate(low energy state).

Again, it's reasonable to propose, something like, this and actually a few pretty prominent scientists have proposed a quantum model of brain function. This model proposes that the brain functions holographically like a quantum computer and the quantum events (like entanglement, tunneling, etc) occur in the microtubules in the brain (filamentous proteins that make up cell cytoskeleton and are involved in stuff like cell division and transport) and this is what generates consciousness. And there's some empirical evidence for this idea. Look up these names and terms; Roger Penrose, Stuart Hammeroff, David Bohm, Holonomic Model of the Brain, Quantum Brain.

Some have challenged this idea saying that the brain is 'too hot' and 'too noisy' to sustain quantum events. Specifically, the Multiverse dude, Max Tegmark.



Until that is, their is a selective pressure that forces it to go in a certain direction, for example lets say somehow we loose the ability to speak/write/sign language. Well, in order to survive, telepathy/esp(which may not be so supernatural, but some unknown force in nature) would be a possible selective advantage of us and our progeny!

Also a very plausible idea. The brain has been known to adapt by rewiring neural networks of folks with physiological brain defects/damage. It's called neuroplasticity. There's a whole body of research on this. there are also ideas of self-induced neuroplasticty ... and of course drugs can also induce this plasticity.
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True story in a game of chance(monopoly), it was my turn to roll the dice I was playing with about 10 people I looked at them and told them I would roll a double 5! I said it with a sense of conviction and surety that resonated through-out my whole being, words cannot explain the euphoric state I was in, In tuned with something to this day, I cannot describe.Of course everyone laugh and dismissed it, I rolled.....DOUBLE 5! Whatever luck, that was lucky blah blah was chanted. Still in that state I said," I can do it again!" I don't remember the series of numbers (3 and 5, 2 and 6 etc) all i know is 5 rolls later as I hit every single combination, the room was absolutely quite and afraid! terribly afraid. It was only until i saw the fear in my friends eyes and faces I began to be afraid and sort of snapped back to the "normal" world and never did that particular thing again.

I've done other things like that many times before and I'm sure others have as well, things like that are way too common for them to be just coincidences, IMO i believe we convenience ourselves such things are impossible so therefore whatever mechanism(some aspect of physics? biology? unknown!) guides them we unintentionally block!

I did the same thing in the AC casinos a few years ago. Also hit a jackpot once when I got angry at my girlfriend and felt this electricity go up my spine. I pulled the lever and cha ching!
 
nah, 10 to 30 seconds where i know everything thats about to happen. All the little details like time, what i'm eating, whos talkin, what they're talkin about, if theres a tv on, what might be on that tv, etc. i've never had vague deja vu, its always a repeat of as much detail as i notice
So 10 to 30 seconds BEFORE stuff happens, you know the details after which they transpire as preconceived? Are you isolated from these events? For example, like, you're somewhere where you can't see or here what's going on in another room and then you get there and it's just as you thought?
 
True story in a game of chance(monopoly), it was my turn to roll the dice I was playing with about 10 people I looked at them and told them I would roll a double 5! I said it with a sense of conviction and surety that resonated through-out my whole being, words cannot explain the euphoric state I was in, In tuned with something to this day, I cannot describe.Of course everyone laugh and dismissed it, I rolled.....DOUBLE 5! Whatever luck, that was lucky blah blah was chanted. Still in that state I said," I can do it again!" I don't remember the series of numbers (3 and 5, 2 and 6 etc) all i know is 5 rolls later as I hit every single combination, the room was absolutely quite and afraid! terribly afraid. It was only until i saw the fear in my friends eyes and faces I began to be afraid and sort of snapped back to the "normal" world and never did that particular thing again.

I've done other things like that many times before and I'm sure others have as well, things like that are way too common for them to be just coincidences, IMO i believe we convenience ourselves such things are impossible so therefore whatever mechanism(some aspect of physics? biology? unknown!) guides them we unintentionally block!
See, I actually think it's the other way round. That's just position from what i know about how sneaky cognitive biases are.

Then again, you can never challenge another persons personal experience. The best you can do is assign attributes to behavior outcomes. Therein lies the divinity of the mind. IMO.
 
So 10 to 30 seconds BEFORE stuff happens, you know the details after which they transpire as preconceived?

i wish i had it like that
Its more like if we agreed to meet somewhere and just before we meet we're on the same timeline but as soon as i give u a pound and we start talking i realize i'm a couple secs ahead of u cause i know what ur gonna say right before u say it as well as everything else about the our surroundings. After 10 secs or so things just go back to normal.


Are you isolated from these events? For example, like, you're somewhere where you can't see or here what's going on in another room and then you get there and it's just as you thought?


Interesting question but it may be outta my paygrade
i'll have to think about this one
 
i wish i had it like that
Its more like if we agreed to meet somewhere and just before we meet we're on the same timeline but as soon as i give u a pound and we start talking i realize i'm a couple secs ahead of u cause i know what ur gonna say right before u say it as well as everything else about the our surroundings. After 10 secs or so things just go back to normal.


Interesting question but it may be outta my paygrade
i'll have to think about this one
Oh. i misunderstood you then. I thought you meant that the precognition was 10-30 secs before the event. You're saying it LASTS 10-30 secs.

OK, but if you're in the same immediate environment as the person then there's a very high chance that it's just your subconcious mind playing tricks on you coupled with a convincing/supporting bias :dunno:

Now if you were completely isolated from the event with no prior sensory input, then that would be quiet extraordinary.
 
See, I actually think it's the other way round. That's just position from what i know about how sneaky cognitive biases are.

Then again, you can never challenge another persons personal experience. The best you can do is assign attributes to behavior outcomes. Therein lies the divinity of the mind. IMO.

I will quote this and address some of the points you brought up to my other post.

I think it is premature to think we have discovered all of the forces that govern and exist within our world. Further i think it is also premature to think we have the current know how, expertise and technological means to detect "other" forces of nature(unless you feel we got them all?). How many forces of nature x-rays,radiation for example, we were only made aware of by their results? Can we discount things such as Deja Vu and Esp, when in fact they could very well be "new" forces that are manifesting themselves by those very results?
 
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