Clarence Thomas's gun rights opinion - You Won't Believe This

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In Clarence Thomas's gun rights opinion, race plays a major role

By Courtland Milloy
Wednesday, June 30, 2010

He hardly ever speaks during oral arguments, often appearing asleep on the bench. But in his written opinion Monday supporting the right to bear arms, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas roared to life.

Referring to the disarming of blacks during the post-Reconstruction era, Thomas wrote: "It was the 'duty' of white citizen 'patrols to search negro houses and other suspected places for firearms.' If they found any firearms, the patrols were to take the offending slave or free black 'to the nearest justice of the peace' whereupon he would be 'severely punished.' " Never again, Thomas says.

In a scorcher of an opinion that reads like a mix of black history lesson and Black Panther Party manifesto, he goes on to say, "Militias such as the Ku Klux Klan, the Knights of the White Camellia, the White Brotherhood, the Pale Faces and the '76 Association spread terror among blacks. . . . The use of firearms for self-defense was often the only way black citizens could protect themselves from mob violence."

This was no muttering from an Uncle Tom, as many black people have accused him of being. His advocacy for black self-defense is straight from the heart of Malcolm X. He even cites the slave revolts led by Denmark Vesey and Nat Turner -- implying that white America has long wanted to take guns away from black people out of fear that they would seek revenge for centuries of racial oppression.

Of course, Thomas's references to historic threats posed by white militias might have been dismissed if not for a resurgence of such groups in the year after Barack Obama's election as the nation's first black president.

And if their behavior turns as violent as their racist rhetoric often threatens, then Thomas will almost certainly go down in history as the nation's foremost black radical legal scholar.

Thomas, the only black justice, sided with the court's conservative majority in a 5 to 4 vote to give Otis McDonald, a 76-year-old black man from Chicago, the right to buy a handgun. In his lawsuit to repeal Chicago's restrictive handgun law, McDonald said he needed a gun to protect himself -- not from a white mob but from young black "gangbangers" who were terrorizing his suburban Chicago neighborhood.

Thomas agreed with McDonald, concluding that owning a gun is a fundamental part of a package of hard-won rights guaranteed to black people under the 14th Amendment. And just because some hooligans in Chicago or D.C. misuse firearms is no reason to give it up.

"In my view, the record makes plain that the Framers of the Privileges or Immunities Clause and the ratifying-era public understood -- just as the Framers of the Second Amendment did -- that the right to keep and bear arms was essential to the preservation of liberty," Thomas wrote. "The record makes equally plain that they deemed this right necessary to include in the minimum baseline of federal rights that the Privileges or Immunities Clause established in the wake of the War over slavery."

Thomas made no mention of the black loss of life and liberty from handguns being wielded by other blacks. But he has made clear on other occasions that the problem is not that there are too many guns in the black community; the problem is too many criminals.

He dismissed the cogent gun-control arguments of his retiring colleague, John Paul Stevens, conjuring up the abolitionist Thaddeus Stevens instead: "When it was first proposed to free the slaves and arm the blacks, did not half the nation tremble?"

Let 'em quake, Thomas appears to be saying.

From Frederick Douglass, Thomas writes: " 'The black man has never had the right either to keep or bear arms,' and that, until he does, 'the work of the Abolitionists was not finished.' "

Because of his conservative take on affirmative action and prisoners' rights, he has been cast as an uncouth African American who didn't understand black history, a dupe for arch conservative Justice Antonin Scalia and a man who couldn't think for himself.

What Thomas has created, however, is a legal defense of the Second Amendment so thoroughly original and starkly race-based that none of the white justices would even acknowledge it, as if it were some blank sheet crafted by an invisible man.

That ought to be a clue enough for black people that this document is at least worth a look. You may not agree with his conclusion, but there'll be no mistake about where he's coming from.

Has "the right" managed to awaken Clarence Thomas? This is opposite from where Thomas's allegiance lies. What happened or is about to happen?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/29/AR2010062905329.html
 
Props to Justice Thomas for getting this right.

Did Clarence get this right; or did Chicago get it wrong ???

An Excerpt from <u>McDonald v. City of Chicago, Ill</u>:

Otis McDonald, Adam Orlov, Colleen Lawson, and David Lawson (Chicago petitioners) are Chicago residents who would like to keep handguns in their homes for self-defense but are prohibited from doing so by Chicago's firearms laws.

A City ordinance provides that] “[n]o person shall ... possess ... any firearm unless such person is the holder of a valid registration certificate for] such firearm.” Chicago, Ill., Municipal Code § 8-20-040(a) (2009). The Code then prohibits registration of most handguns, thus effectively banning handgun possession by almost all private citizens who reside in the City. § 8-20-050(c).

I can understand the desire to regulate the possession of guns in public places. But banning handguns from the homeplace ??? Chicago was asking for trouble.

I haven't read Thomas' concurring opinion, however, if it is as the author notes above, I think it may be a bit incredulous. Constitutionally speaking, I find it hard to see how a racial analysis would enter the picture to justify overturning a law banning handguns in homes or just about any other place.


QueEx
 
For once, Clarence Thomas did not try to kiss up to whitey

AND...

it resulted in the right decision.
 
Damn! :eek: This is the first time I've ever heard a goverment official articulate what I've been telling my friends for years! Everyone always looks at me crazy when I say I'm for the NRA, but they never understand that I'm all for gun rights so I can have mine to blow a cracka away! :lol:
 
Did Clarence get this right; or did Chicago get it wrong ???

An Excerpt from <u>McDonald v. City of Chicago, Ill</u>:



I can understand the desire to regulate the possession of guns in public places. But banning handguns from the homeplace ??? Chicago was asking for trouble.

I haven't read Thomas' concurring opinion, however, if it is as the author notes above, I think it may be a bit incredulous. Constitutionally speaking, I find it hard to see how a racial analysis would enter the picture to justify overturning a law banning handguns in homes or just about any other place.


QueEx

It is outlandish however I think its an accumulative effect from whats been happening in this country in particular since Obama's run for the presidency. I think too that Chicago was a factor. But you can't ignore how whites have raised their level of hate to astronomical levels. A blind man can see it ergo the Thomas response.

I still don't trust the man any farther than I can toss this planet but for once he seems to have gotten it right. Regardless of if you buy into his reasoning or not.
 
Gun control advocates never had to be in a situation where their life is in danger or people fucking with you, cops wont help or they may be assisting the other party. I hope the supreme court strikes down more of these laws.


I should be able to carry a firearm or buy one without onerous laws that could put you in prison. You can't travel across the country with a firearm without breaking 20 laws.
 
It is outlandish however I think its an accumulative effect from whats been happening in this country in particular since Obama's run for the presidency. I think too that Chicago was a factor. But you can't ignore how whites have raised their level of hate to astronomical levels. A blind man can see it ergo the Thomas response.

I still don't trust the man any farther than I can toss this planet but for once he seems to have gotten it right. Regardless of if you buy into his reasoning or not.

You're right, whether or not I buy into it. BUT, two things immediately come to mind:

1. I doubt any of the posters responding have actually read Thomas' concurrence, thus, the comments are based on somebody-else-say; and

2. Whether Thomas has had an epiphanic moment can only be judged, in time.

QueEx
 
Did Clarence get this right; or did Chicago get it wrong ???

An Excerpt from <u>McDonald v. City of Chicago, Ill</u>:



I can understand the desire to regulate the possession of guns in public places. But banning handguns from the homeplace ??? Chicago was asking for trouble.

I haven't read Thomas' concurring opinion, however, if it is as the author notes above, I think it may be a bit incredulous. Constitutionally speaking, I find it hard to see how a racial analysis would enter the picture to justify overturning a law banning handguns in homes or just about any other place.


QueEx

You're right, whether or not I buy into it. BUT, two things immediately come to mind:

1. I doubt any of the posters responding have actually read Thomas' concurrence, thus, the comments are based on somebody-else-say; and

2. Whether Thomas has had an epiphanic moment can only be judged, in time.

QueEx



You see more like me on this, Que. The law, as written, is an overreach and was asking to be shot down eventually.
I don't see where the racial aspect comes into play in this for this particular law.
Considering his history of using racial undertones whenever convenient, I see this as him finding a way to vote along the typical conservative line and cloaking it with in a racial prism. I'm disappointed that people who should be more skeptical aren't because Thomas used racial history and he voted in a way they liked. That changes nothing about the man at all. If you considered him a Graham Cracker last week, he should still be this week.
 
You're right, whether or not I buy into it. BUT, two things immediately come to mind:

1. I doubt any of the posters responding have actually read Thomas' concurrence, thus, the comments are based on somebody-else-say; and

2. Whether Thomas has had an epiphanic moment can only be judged, in time.

QueEx

An epiphany? Thomas? Could happen but he grew up in the racist south knowing the ills of white America. All the more reason for the outrage on his past decisions.

As you stated its to early to for a judgment or conclusions, not with his track record.
 
Chicago was right this isn't 1776 white people don't need guns to protect themselves from the govt, indians or negroes anymore. If gun rights are abolished people will have to find new, less violent ways to confront their fears. We can't move forward if we keep holding onto the past especially this country's past.
 
You only "won't believe this" because you never bothered to listen to him before. This thinking is completely consistent with his past assertions.

Justice Thomas has always promoted that blacks can't and shouldn't try to depend on whites for their well-being. That means don't depend on white people to hire you through affirmative action for your economic well-being, don't depend on white people to take care of you through welfare for your social well-being, and damn sure don't depend on any alleged good nature of white people to ensure your political rights.


Political freedom is the absence of being forced to take or refrain from a certain action if you have not violated the same right for others.

The immorality of the above initiation of force doesn't change just because it's the government doing the forcing. The very nature of political power is force, which is where the concept of limited government derives. If the very nature of government is force through the threat of incarceration or forfeiture of property, then it is beneficial to everyone to keep the amount of government to a bare minimum.

You can't have a freedom from undeserved harm, but allow the government to threaten you unchecked.

The best way to guarantee you have political freedom is to have an appropriate amount of retaliatory force at your disposal. That includes the hoodlums that Mr. McDonald wants to protect himself from and the random machinations of overreaching governments.

You can't have a right to self-defense, but not a right to the method to apply it.

I think an armed populace is the best check on government whether the government wants to be the threat to your freedom by asserting control over your actions or whether the government wants to default on its duty to protect your rights from other individuals.
 
In Clarence Thomas's gun rights opinion, race plays a major role

By Courtland Milloy
Wednesday, June 30, 2010

He hardly ever speaks during oral arguments, often appearing asleep on the bench. But in his written opinion Monday supporting the right to bear arms, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas roared to life.

Referring to the disarming of blacks during the post-Reconstruction era, Thomas wrote: "It was the 'duty' of white citizen 'patrols to search negro houses and other suspected places for firearms.' If they found any firearms, the patrols were to take the offending slave or free black 'to the nearest justice of the peace' whereupon he would be 'severely punished.' " Never again, Thomas says.

In a scorcher of an opinion that reads like a mix of black history lesson and Black Panther Party manifesto, he goes on to say, "Militias such as the Ku Klux Klan, the Knights of the White Camellia, the White Brotherhood, the Pale Faces and the '76 Association spread terror among blacks. . . . The use of firearms for self-defense was often the only way black citizens could protect themselves from mob violence."

This was no muttering from an Uncle Tom, as many black people have accused him of being. His advocacy for black self-defense is straight from the heart of Malcolm X. He even cites the slave revolts led by Denmark Vesey and Nat Turner -- implying that white America has long wanted to take guns away from black people out of fear that they would seek revenge for centuries of racial oppression.

Of course, Thomas's references to historic threats posed by white militias might have been dismissed if not for a resurgence of such groups in the year after Barack Obama's election as the nation's first black president.

And if their behavior turns as violent as their racist rhetoric often threatens, then Thomas will almost certainly go down in history as the nation's foremost black radical legal scholar.

Thomas, the only black justice, sided with the court's conservative majority in a 5 to 4 vote to give Otis McDonald, a 76-year-old black man from Chicago, the right to buy a handgun. In his lawsuit to repeal Chicago's restrictive handgun law, McDonald said he needed a gun to protect himself -- not from a white mob but from young black "gangbangers" who were terrorizing his suburban Chicago neighborhood.

Thomas agreed with McDonald, concluding that owning a gun is a fundamental part of a package of hard-won rights guaranteed to black people under the 14th Amendment. And just because some hooligans in Chicago or D.C. misuse firearms is no reason to give it up.

"In my view, the record makes plain that the Framers of the Privileges or Immunities Clause and the ratifying-era public understood -- just as the Framers of the Second Amendment did -- that the right to keep and bear arms was essential to the preservation of liberty," Thomas wrote. "The record makes equally plain that they deemed this right necessary to include in the minimum baseline of federal rights that the Privileges or Immunities Clause established in the wake of the War over slavery."

Thomas made no mention of the black loss of life and liberty from handguns being wielded by other blacks. But he has made clear on other occasions that the problem is not that there are too many guns in the black community; the problem is too many criminals.

He dismissed the cogent gun-control arguments of his retiring colleague, John Paul Stevens, conjuring up the abolitionist Thaddeus Stevens instead: "When it was first proposed to free the slaves and arm the blacks, did not half the nation tremble?"

Let 'em quake, Thomas appears to be saying.

From Frederick Douglass, Thomas writes: " 'The black man has never had the right either to keep or bear arms,' and that, until he does, 'the work of the Abolitionists was not finished.' "

Because of his conservative take on affirmative action and prisoners' rights, he has been cast as an uncouth African American who didn't understand black history, a dupe for arch conservative Justice Antonin Scalia and a man who couldn't think for himself.

What Thomas has created, however, is a legal defense of the Second Amendment so thoroughly original and starkly race-based that none of the white justices would even acknowledge it, as if it were some blank sheet crafted by an invisible man.

That ought to be a clue enough for black people that this document is at least worth a look. You may not agree with his conclusion, but there'll be no mistake about where he's coming from.

Has "the right" managed to awaken Clarence Thomas? This is opposite from where Thomas's allegiance lies. What happened or is about to happen?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/29/AR2010062905329.html

Where have you, and people like you, been? THomas has always ben about individual rights. That is why he is against the welfare state. They are one and the same in political belief. Wake up, and stop letting others think for you.
 
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