The opinion of Actinanass: Milk carton leadership...

[actinanass]

It's been a while since I've typed out an opinion thread so please bear with me....

I've been peeping how this administration react to tough issues. At first, I thought it was actually smart to start a committee, make a Czar for a particular issue, and have a group of minds figure a situation out. I do not mind a group session to figure out how to fix a certain problem. With that being said, when has this administration actually took responsibility of their actions? When has this administration actually took hold of a situation, and made a plan out that do not have to be campaign for? Anyone...

With looking at how this administration handles itself during adversity makes me think a couple of things.

1. If you need a committee/czar for every issue, does that mean you really do not understand any issues?

2. Or, are you afraid of the political repercussions you may/will face if you make the gutsy decision?

This all takes me back to my old JROTC days. This is where I really understood what leadership actually meant. I learned that although leaders sometimes make the wrong decision, the way they deal with their mistakes counts far more. That's where I learn that making excuses is the first sign of weakness. That's where I found out that blaming other people for a situation is counter productive...

Seems like Obama needs to sit in an JROTC class one day....More like TODAY...

 

[Upgrade Dave]

I don't see where he doesn't take responsibility for each and every one of his decisions. If anything (and he did this during the campaign), he may take too much responsibility for actions and events outside his control.
Considering this President knows he doesn't know everything about everything, it's far better to have other people with different perspectives and information around to come up with lasting solutions to complex problems.
I do think Candidate Obama overestimated the attention span, patience,and intelligence of the populace and President Obama has had to make adjustments accordingly. Some of which have pitted him against his former self (warrantless wiretap, renditions).

 

[actinanass]

I don't see where he doesn't take responsibility for each and every one of his decisions. If anything (and he did this during the campaign), he may take too much responsibility for actions and events outside his control.
Considering this President knows he doesn't know everything about everything, it's far better to have other people with different perspectives and information around to come up with lasting solutions to complex problems.
I do think Candidate Obama overestimated the attention span, patience,and intelligence of the populace and President Obama has had to make adjustments accordingly. Some of which have pitted him against his former self (warrantless wiretap, renditions).

In some aspects, I agree with what you are saying. However, the problem I keep running into is the fact that he has a committee/czar for everything. I mean seriously, does he have any expertise in anything? At least we knew that Bush expertise was business *owned the Texas Rangers during some of the good years*, and oil. Sad to say, the lack of experience card is showing up right now.

 

[thoughtone]

In some aspects, I agree with what you are saying. However, the problem I keep running into is the fact that he has a committee/czar for everything. I mean seriously, does he have any expertise in anything? At least we knew that Bush expertise was business *owned the Texas Rangers during some of the good years*, and oil. Sad to say, the lack of experience card is showing up right now.

GW had so much experience that he took a budget surplus to a budget deficit in 4 years. What a leader!

Mission Accomplished!​

 

[nittie]

His problem and the problem for most presidents in the last 100yrs is the Constitution. It's old. Almost 300 yrs old but he has to obey and govern by it although it doesn't relate whatsoever to todays issues. The country is sinking because it has failed to adapt. Obama might be a better vice president than commander in chief but it would be interesting to see how he would handle problems if he wasn't constrained by a old, outdated system.

 

[actinanass]

GW had so much experience that he took a budget surplus to a budget deficit in 4 years. What a leader!

Mission Accomplished!​

At least Bush led the efforts against terrorism. What has Obama led the efforts for? Apologizing and blaming other people? I guess that's what your side supports.....

His problem and the problem for most presidents in the last 100yrs is the Constitution. It's old. Almost 300 yrs old but he has to obey and govern by it although it doesn't relate whatsoever to todays issues. The country is sinking because it has failed to adapt. Obama might be a better vice president than commander in chief but it would be interesting to see how he would handle problems if he wasn't constrained by a old, outdated system.

Now this is the first.

First off, for the last 100 years, many do not go off the constitution. In my opinion, that's the problem with our system. Nothing is wrong with the constitution. In fact, I would like you to find another article that promotes freedom as much as the constitution...

 

[thoughtone]

At least Bush led the efforts against terrorism. What has Obama led the efforts for? Apologizing and blaming other people? I guess that's what your side supports.....

He did such a good job that 3000 people died and two skyscrapers were destroyed not to mention a trillion dollar plus war, countless thousands of innocents killed, the US economy fucked up for the foreseeable future and the continued take over by corporations of our very lives.
What has Obama taken leadership on? Health care, trying to get us off off of oil dependency and on to renewable energy. Things the party of no fight him at every step. And you know what, he succeeds in getting them any way! Regan spent the first 2 years of his presidency blaming Jimmy Carter for everything. Now his words about America's dependency on oil are more truer than ever. GW blamed Clinton for 911 although every time Clinton did something the republicans said it was political (Wag The Dog).

Your revisionism is pathetic.


[QUOTE}Now this is the first.

First off, for the last 100 years, many do not go off the constitution. In my opinion, that's the problem with our system. Nothing is wrong with the constitution. In fact, I would like you to find another article that promotes freedom as much as the constitution...[/QUOTE]

Typical, this gibberish makes absolute no sense.

Do yourself a favor and stop getting your thought processes from Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin.

 

[actinanass]

He did such a good job that 3000 people died and two skyscrapers were destroyed not to mention a trillion dollar plus war, countless thousands of innocents killed, the US economy fucked up for the foreseeable future and the continued take over by corporations of our very lives.
What has Obama taken leadership on? Health care, trying to get us off off of oil dependency and on to renewable energy. Things the party of no fight him at every step. And you know what, he succeeds in getting them any way! Regan spent the first 2 years of his presidency blaming Jimmy Carter for everything. Now his words about America's dependency on oil are more truer than ever. GW blamed Clinton for 911 although every time Clinton did something the republicans said it was political (Wag The Dog).

Your revisionism is pathetic.

I need to see where Bush blamed Clinton for 9-11. The burden of proof is on you..

 

[nittie]

Now this is the first.

First off, for the last 100 years, many do not go off the constitution. In my opinion, that's the problem with our system. Nothing is wrong with the constitution. In fact, I would like you to find another article that promotes freedom as much as the constitution...

The original American constitution created a government and private sector elite in which the wealthy and the highly positioned in government work together to both achieve their goals and to maintain their private wealth and political power. From the beginning, then, the creators of the Constitution sought a strong government which would feature a close link between government power and commercial profit, a government which would be at least as sympathetic to the exercise of capitalism by the wealthy white man in the slavery-dependent mansion as it was to the exercise of free speech by the common white man in the street.

That attitude worked 300 yrs ago when rich white men finanaced the govt but in today's multicultural world rich white men and the Constitution are more of a liability than asset. Look at the weak world economy or wars on every continent they are basically America's doing. The govt should look at ways to re-write the thing so it would work for everybody.

 

[Cruise]

The original American constitution created a government and private sector elite in which the wealthy and the highly positioned in government work together to both achieve their goals and to maintain their private wealth and political power. From the beginning, then, the creators of the Constitution sought a strong government which would feature a close link between government power and commercial profit, a government which would be at least as sympathetic to the exercise of capitalism by the wealthy white man in the slavery-dependent mansion as it was to the exercise of free speech by the common white man in the street.

That attitude worked 300 yrs ago when rich white men finanaced the govt but in today's multicultural world rich white men and the Constitution are more of a liability than asset. Look at the weak world economy or wars on every continent they are basically America's doing. The govt should look at ways to re-write the thing so it would work for everybody.

Yes. This looks good.

For me, the Constitution is a vile joke on those who are not white.

To those who do not consider themselves white, it is an antiquated, hateful, and elitist testament to Euro-centric domination of the world's resources.

 

[QueEx]

At least Bush led the efforts against terrorism. What has Obama led the efforts for? Apologizing and blaming other people? I guess that's what your side supports.....

Man you kill me with these "My Guy this - Your Guy that" - Cheerleader Posts ! ! !

QueEx

 

[thoughtone]

Actinanass was sitting at home watching Faux Snooze and came up with this thread. This is what he was watching. Like Dick Morris has any credibility.

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[actinanass]

The original American constitution created a government and private sector elite in which the wealthy and the highly positioned in government work together to both achieve their goals and to maintain their private wealth and political power. From the beginning, then, the creators of the Constitution sought a strong government which would feature a close link between government power and commercial profit, a government which would be at least as sympathetic to the exercise of capitalism by the wealthy white man in the slavery-dependent mansion as it was to the exercise of free speech by the common white man in the street.

That attitude worked 300 yrs ago when rich white men finanaced the govt but in today's multicultural world rich white men and the Constitution are more of a liability than asset. Look at the weak world economy or wars on every continent they are basically America's doing. The govt should look at ways to re-write the thing so it would work for everybody.

There you go with the race argument again. The constitution does not have ONE word about ONE race running the show. Like I told ThoughtONE, the burden of proof is on you. This is what limiting our race as a whole. This whole idea that since the constitution was created by white men, that we have NO shot to be successful. It's fucking sad that a lot of our so-called intellectual elites on this board have this fucking defeatist attitude. Yet, I'm known as the bgol coon?

Yes. This looks good.

For me, the Constitution is a vile joke on those who are not white.

To those who do not consider themselves white, it is an antiquated, hateful, and elitist testament to Euro-centric domination of the world's resources.

Again, it's not the constitution that's the problem. It's the people that we elect that decides to NOT follow the constitution. BTW, in some cases, this shit is bipartisan.

Man you kill me with these "My Guy this - Your Guy that" - Cheerleader Posts ! ! !

QueEx

I know you are playing so I won't get too far into what you are saying. My point is that Obama has not led ONE effort. I was just comparing the two most recent presidents.

BTW, I think some people misread my whole thread. I have no issue with Obama making committees, and assigning Czars. However, I do have a problem when Obama rather assign Czars for every issue. I do have a problem with any president that blames everyone else for his shortcomings. I would of been mad if McCain did the same thing.

Actinanass was sitting at home watching Faux Snooze and came up with this thread. This is what he was watching. Like Dick Morris has any credibility.

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You still haven't prove that Bush blamed Clinton for 9-11. BTW, I didn't watch that interview. I'm glad Dick Morris feels the same way I do....

BTW, I haven't listen to Rush since Tuesday because I'm working a new schedule...

I don't really care for Hannity's radio show.

I've been too busy to even watch fox news.

This is the product of me listening to Obama's speech. Letting it stew in my mind for a good 4 days. Reading this forum, and drawing my own conclusions.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

At least Bush led the efforts against terrorism. What has Obama led the efforts for? Apologizing and blaming other people? I guess that's what your side supports.....

How so? Had he paid any attention to terrorism, he and his people would have connected the dots and stopped the Sept 11 attacks. What he did do was lead the effort to preemptively attack Iraq and wage an even stronger war against the Constitution.

First off, for the last 100 years, many do not go off the constitution. In my opinion, that's the problem with our system. Nothing is wrong with the constitution. In fact, I would like you to find another article that promotes freedom as much as the constitution...

Do not expect either of them to meet this challenge.

There you go with the race argument again. The constitution does not have ONE word about ONE race running the show. Like I told ThoughtONE, the burden of proof is on you. This is what limiting our race as a whole. This whole idea that since the constitution was created by white men, that we have NO shot to be successful. It's fucking sad that a lot of our so-called intellectual elites on this board have this fucking defeatist attitude. Yet, I'm known as the bgol coon?

No one has ever called those guys that, so if they're "so-called", they're doing all the calling. A better term would be "self proclaimed".

Again, it's not the constitution that's the problem. It's the people that we elect that decides to NOT follow the constitution. BTW, in some cases, this shit is bipartisan.

Absolutely.

I know you are playing so I won't get too far into what you are saying. My point is that Obama has not led ONE effort. I was just comparing the two most recent presidents.

BTW, I think some people misread my whole thread. I have no issue with Obama making committees, and assigning Czars. However, I do have a problem when Obama rather assign Czars for every issue. I do have a problem with any president that blames everyone else for his shortcomings. I would of been mad if McCain did the same thing.



[/QUOTE]

While of course I disagree with saying Obama hasn't led one effort, I'll try to go at the very premise of your post. His assigning czars (something he's been labeled with like he started it or has a comparatively large number and he didn't and he doesn't) somehow is him not leading. He picks people to specialize in any one particular area and they answer to him. This isn't like Cheney and his near Co-Presidency. Every thing ever said about the President is that there is no question that he's in charge. When a couple military leaders seemed to disagreeing with his decisions, he clamped down on them. He's led every effort he's undertaken, from the Recovery Act to health care reform to his ramping up in Afghanistan. If anything, his problem has been and seems to continue to be that no one can express his agenda as strongly and have it received as well as the President himself.
Let go of the "experience" thing. There is no kind of comparable experience to being President of the United States. Not owner of a failed baseball team, not law professor, not even governor of a single state.

 

[thoughtone]

. BTW, I didn't watch that interview. I'm glad Dick Morris feels the same way I do....

You would be happy with DICK Morris opinion. Morris has no credibility, nowhere. Especially since he was exposed sucking the toes of prostitutes!

 

[nittie]

Quote:Originally Posted by nittie
The original American constitution created a government and private sector elite in which the wealthy and the highly positioned in government work together to both achieve their goals and to maintain their private wealth and political power. From the beginning, then, the creators of the Constitution sought a strong government which would feature a close link between government power and commercial profit, a government which would be at least as sympathetic to the exercise of capitalism by the wealthy white man in the slavery-dependent mansion as it was to the exercise of free speech by the common white man in the street.

That attitude worked 300 yrs ago when rich white men finanaced the govt but in today's multicultural world rich white men and the Constitution are more of a liability than asset. Look at the weak world economy or wars on every continent they are basically America's doing. The govt should look at ways to re-write the thing so it would work for everybody.

Originally Posted by actinanass

There you go with the race argument again. The constitution does not have ONE word about ONE race running the show. Like I told ThoughtONE, the burden of proof is on you. This is what limiting our race as a whole. This whole idea that since the constitution was created by white men, that we have NO shot to be successful. It's fucking sad that a lot of our so-called intellectual elites on this board have this fucking defeatist attitude. Yet, I'm known as the bgol coon?

1st I don't think you are a coon and I was not bringing race into this. I'm just trying to show how outdated, antiquated the Constitution is. Obviously a 17th century mindset, Constitution, business model, doesn't represent the world we live in today.

 

[Gunner]

Man you kill me with these "My Guy this - Your Guy that" - Cheerleader Posts ! ! !

QueEx

Boy please! If it isn't the pot calling the kettle black. You are the biggest boot licker I ever seen for ya boy Obama. Obama sucks and you and" non thought" know it. Obama will be far worse than that idiot Carter. You're not blind. It's funny how you post pro obama fluff. I'm to the right and every one knows it. The problem with you and Obama is that you are afraid to be a man and take a position.

The conservatives and independent thinkers take a position and provide support statements. All you and mini que post is emotional bullshit regarding bush. You're not stupid, blacks didn't put Obama in office. Emotional white guilt Americans put him there. Hell a monkey could have beat McCain. You've seen the recent elections. Demorats are losing. Everyone Obama endorses loses.

What a fucking response to an oil spill. Close all deep water drilling. Kill two industries because of an accident. People are killed daily on the roads and highways in America but we don't stop people from driving.

I relish the opportunity to expose your ass.

 

[Lamarr]

Man you kill me with these "My Guy this - Your Guy that" - Cheerleader Posts ! ! !

True, but this thread is hilarious

All you and mini que post is emotional bullshit regarding bush.

He said Mini-Que!

 

[Gunner]

1st I don't think you are a coon and I was not bringing race into this. I'm just trying to show how outdated, antiquated the Constitution is. Obviously a 17th century mindset, Constitution, business model, doesn't represent the world we live in today.

Good insight. While I respect your forward thinking, I would like to offer up my 2 cents.
That's what so great about the constitution. The forefathers of this country knew that eventually slavery would end and that we would not always be a country vested in farming. They left of with the ability to add amendments. Checks and balances were the key. That is what make the experiment of America unique. This is not a democracy we are a republic a nation of laws. Yes our consitution is old, but please point to me a country that is perfect? Certainly not us but where else's would you rather live? China? There would not be free to speak our mind against the government. Chavez may remove all negative media.

 

[nittie]

Good insight. While I respect your forward thinking, I would like to offer up my 2 cents.
That's what so great about the constitution. The forefathers of this country knew that eventually slavery would end and that we would not always be a country vested in farming. They left of with the ability to add amendments. Checks and balances were the key. That is what make the experiment of America unique. This is not a democracy we are a republic a nation of laws. Yes our consitution is old, but please point to me a country that is perfect? Certainly not us but where else's would you rather live? China? There would not be free to speak our mind against the government. Chavez may remove all negative media.

Thomas Jefferson believed

Thomas Jefferson 3rd President (1801-1809)

Periodic revolution, “at least once every 20 years,” was “a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.”

I'm not calling for a armed revolution or comparing our country to any other. I'm just saying that it's 2010 and we are still living in the 16th century. The technology has changed but the attitudes are still the same if this country doesn't make some overhauls soon it will fade away. We can't defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan because we can't adapt and they are using 12th century tactics it's sad. The Gulf coast is drowning but the Constitution limits the president's power not to mention the gridlock between a 2 party system. There is a better way but either we are afraid of change or the people in power would rather lose the republic than lose their money.

 

[Lamarr]

The Gulf coast is drowning but the Constitution limits the president's power not to mention the gridlock between a 2 party system.

Are you saying the Constitution is limiting the Presidents power to address the spill?

The Constitution gives the POTUS the power to mobilize the entire US military! He could have 200,000 troops down there ASAP (and a Republican couldn't say shit about it!) If he chooses not to use those powers, he must answer to the American people, that's where the frustration lies. Ask yourself if he is trying to "plug the damn hole" or advance his "cap-N-trade agenda?

Clean Water Act
Section 311 - Oil and Hazardous Substances Liability

Section 311 specifies that:
(A) If a discharge, or a substantial threat of a discharge, of oil or a hazardous substance from a vessel, offshore facility, or onshore facility is of such a size or character as to be a substantial threat to the public health or welfare of the United States (including but not limited to fish, shellfish, wildlife, other natural resources, and the public and private beaches and shorelines of the United States), the President shall direct all Federal, State, and private actions to remove the discharge or to mitigate or prevent the threat of the discharge;

 

[nittie]

You didn't post the entire act just the part that supports your claim, don't blame you but lets suppose that President Barack Hussein Obama "directed all Federal, State, and private actions to remove the discharge or to mitigate or prevent the threat of the discharge;" when the spill began. What would have happened? Be honest.

 

[Lamarr]

What would have happened? Be honest.

actinanass wouldn't have had a reason to start this damn thread

Seriously, one can only speculate what would have happened, however, I think that's what the people of the Gulf needed, and still need. If he's gonna take any of the blame for this fiasco, let it be because he tried to do too much, as opposed to he didn't do enough, right?

 

[Makkonnen]

actinanass wouldn't have had a reason to start this damn thread

Seriously, one can only speculate what would have happened, however, I think that's what the people of the Gulf needed, and still need. If he's gonna take any of the blame for this fiasco, let it be because he tried to do too much, as opposed to he didn't do enough, right?

No. Actinanass would have made a thread - "Barack Hussein Stalin - He wants slavery & socialism!!"

 

[QueEx]

Boy please! If it isn't the pot calling the kettle black. You are the biggest boot licker I ever seen for ya boy Obama. Obama sucks and you and" non thought" know it. Obama will be far worse than that idiot Carter. You're not blind. It's funny how you post pro obama fluff. I'm to the right and every one knows it. The problem with you and Obama is that you are afraid to be a man and take a position.

The conservatives and independent thinkers take a position and provide support statements. All you and mini que post is emotional bullshit regarding bush. You're not stupid, blacks didn't put Obama in office. Emotional white guilt Americans put him there. Hell a monkey could have beat McCain. You've seen the recent elections. Demorats are losing. Everyone Obama endorses loses.

What a fucking response to an oil spill. Close all deep water drilling. Kill two industries because of an accident. People are killed daily on the roads and highways in America but we don't stop people from driving.

I relish the opportunity to expose your ass.

<font size="3">Obviously</font size> what I say upsets you, but all you can manage in retort are bitch-made comments filled with little girl emotionalism absent of any semblance of support.

<font size="3">And your closing comment</font size> more than proves my point. If you had whatever it is you relish to expose me, you would have done so; and you wouldn't be relishing the time or the opportunity in the future when you can "Overcome".

Please remember the rules. I've overlooked them in your comments above because OBVIOUSLY, you've been overcome by your emotional side. I won't continue to do that.

QueEx

 

[Megazell]

^ Sadly, this has been a growing trend on this board.

 

[thoughtone]

Obviously what I say upsets you, but all you can manage in retort are bitch-made comments filled with little girl emotionalism absent of any semblance of support.

And your closing comment more than proves my point. If you had whatever it is you relish to expose me, you would have done so; and you wouldn't be relishing the time or the opportunity in the future when you can "Overcome".

Please remember the rules. I've overlooked them in your comments above because OBVIOUSLY, you've been overcome by your emotional side. I won't continue to do that.

QueEx

Dude, it's a forum and I'm an extremely well read political scientist. Why so serious? Geeez, debating is a bloodsport. Maybe you should pull the little tree out of your back pocket and give it a hug.

]I give Bush a pass on some shit *because of 9-11*[/B] . One thing you can't say about Bush is this. When he used the "fear" card, it was for good reason.

Typical Gunner, claims to be on top of the issues yet his posts are devoid of substance and are just angry frustrating rants. He is the id of Actinanass, the way Faux and Fiends is the id of Faux Snooze! I could accept is disapproval of president Obama on policy issues, but he and Actinanass's attempts to rewrite history are just plain laughable. Bush was the worst president in 90 years and did more to damage this country than virtually any president. There are no posts or right wing web site links that can change that. History will judge him accordingly. It already is!

 

[thoughtone]

I need to see where Bush blamed Clinton for 9-11. The burden of proof is on you..

Not trying to defend Clinton, but setting the record straight.

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[Makkonnen]

<font size="3">Obviously</font size> what I say upsets you, but all you can manage in retort are bitch-made comments filled with little girl emotionalism absent of any semblance of support.

<font size="3">And your closing comment</font size> more than proves my point. If you had whatever it is you relish to expose me, you would have done so; and you wouldn't be relishing the time or the opportunity in the future when you can "Overcome".

Please remember the rules. I've overlooked them in your comments above because OBVIOUSLY, you've been overcome by your emotional side. I won't continue to do that.

QueEx

Gunner is gonna

that

 

[actinanass]

Well, Obama is about to be a one term president.

 

[thoughtone]

Well, Obama is about to be a one term president.

Bookmarked

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Well, Obama is about to be a one term president.

Just like they said with Reagan and Clinton.

And Bush I was predicted at this point to be on his way to an easy second term.

 

[actinanass]

Let me clarify what I meant on the one term president statement.

I think with all the scandals that Obama's administration are covering up, the policies Obama is taking, and the lack of progress with unemployment department will give Obama hell when it comes to 2012.

Obama has a great chance of dealing with the policy situation after the midterms, however, the Thoughtone's in the world will shit bricks if he works with the republicans. He has literally painted himself in a political corner. The right is Obama's best friend from his peeps believe it, or not.

 

[thoughtone]

Let me clarify what I meant on the one term president statement.

I think with all the scandals that Obama's administration are covering up, the policies Obama is taking, and the lack of progress with unemployment department will give Obama hell when it comes to 2012.

Obama has a great chance of dealing with the policy situation after the midterms, however, the Thoughtone's in the world will shit bricks if he works with the republicans. He has literally painted himself in a political corner. The right is Obama's best friend from his peeps believe it, or not.

I think with all the scandals that Obama's administration are covering up

Post them.

Thoughtone's in the world will shit bricks if he works with the republicans.

To respect QueEx rule of name calling, I will just say your are amazing! Obama has bent over backward to work with with republicans. You lost the White House, Congress and Senate with a 60, 40 split. He is under no obligation to work with republicans. When GW lost the election in 2000 and was installed by the Supreme Court there was no call for GW to work with the Democrats. However, President Obama has turn out to be more right than left. I guess your idea of working with republicans is that he should adopt everything the party of NO wants. If you want that, win the presidency.

He has literally painted himself in a political corner.

We will see who has painted themselves in to a political corner. The republicans are running these extreme right wingers and we will see how they will do this November.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Let me clarify what I meant on the one term president statement.

I think with all the scandals that Obama's administration are covering up, the policies Obama is taking, and the lack of progress with unemployment department will give Obama hell when it comes to 2012.

Obama has a great chance of dealing with the policy situation after the midterms, however, the Thoughtone's in the world will shit bricks if he works with the republicans. He has literally painted himself in a political corner. The right is Obama's best friend from his peeps believe it, or not.

You were doing better not clarifying your point. Once you fleshed it out, it didn't make any more sense.

Post them.

Maybe he means the Sestak situation that's turned into a big nothing, no matter how hard the Right has tried to make it mean something.

To respect QueEx rule of name calling, I will just say your are amazing! Obama has bent over backward to work with with republicans. You lost the White House, Congress and Senate with a 60, 40 split. He is under no obligation to work with republicans. When GW lost the election in 2000 and was installed by the Supreme Court there was no call for GW to work with the Democrats. However, President Obama has turn out to be more right than left. I guess your idea of working with republicans is that he should adopt everything the party of NO wants. If you want that, win the presidency.



We will see who has painted themselves in to a political corner. The republicans are running these extreme right wingers and we will see how they will do this November.

Indeed.