Was never a jordan fan when I was younger and didn't understand how great he was. But from what I hear about him he was the best. And I find it hard to imagine a basketball player then kobe (at least in the regular season). So just how much better was jordan then kobe? Is it like comparing kobe to joe johnson? Or kobe to mateen cleaves...
so just how much better was jordan then kobe?
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Dude the fact that your talking about them in the same sentence says everything,stop comparing !kobe is kobe mike is mike,but if this isn't good enough then go to you tube and watch kobe vs mike !we talk about things like nba ,mike,the the truth is nigga are scared to say kobe's better.it hurts just saying it but look at the teams then?it was 1 or 2 stars on the teams then ,mike was killing them but now it like 3 or 4 stars on each team more talent in the nba now,so .........just let them be them.......
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=BestFinalsGame-Individual-1
Maybe Kobe can crack the top ten this year?
Maybe Kobe can crack the top ten this year?
For all the Kobe stans here you go kobe can't make anyone on his team better but Mj could , bitch ass can not and will not ever be all def player of the year Mj was , Kobe is at best a great help defender as for one on one he avoids guarding any superstar exp Carmelo, Wade, Lebron . He is also not a great leader or teammate. Bottom line weather you like what i'm saying or not Kobe is a glorified scorer who has media hype behind him (on yeah the young ones love and the ones to dumb to know any better) playing in a league with no handchecking rules(in case you don't know that benefits guards) and think a league that does allow you to give a really hard foul anymore the comparison is like soldja boy-vs-Jay-Z there is no fucking comparison Mj=The GOAT , Kobe not on his leavel
Stringer Bell
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Jordan never hit 81. Case closed. If Kobe had Pippen, Armstrong, and Grant...he'd have 10-peat'd by now!
24.."that Kobe number, 1 over Jordan"
Even Kanye knows it...
24.."that Kobe number, 1 over Jordan"
Even Kanye knows it...
This is a bad question
Jordan was not better than Kobe
Kobe is the best of all time. Jordan had help from David Stern. Jordan never won without one of the greatest of all time by his side. Kobe is winning with guys that dont come to play every game. The list goes on and on.
Jordan was not better than Kobe
Kobe is the best of all time. Jordan had help from David Stern. Jordan never won without one of the greatest of all time by his side. Kobe is winning with guys that dont come to play every game. The list goes on and on.
Stringer Bell
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Yup, but cats just cant handle the truth! Plus, Kobe never got his Pops killed for point shaving (or lack thereof).
So 81 makes you great well then asshole david robbison had 70 plus gilbert had over 60 you are fucking stupid
You never played basketball your a fucking idiot. Question you fucking asshole when has Kobe one without a top 5 center answer never jackass . Reread must post fucking lil kids go join a gang listen to soldja boy but dont talk bball you don't know shit
there is a lot of kids in this thread
Jordanians and Fanboys of his Airness please forgive me 
But Jordan had mad HOLES in his technical game that Kobe studied and doesn't have
Jordan was by far the better athlete and a better leader and competitor when it comes to the intangibles of winning I'll take Jordan against just about EVERYBODY in every era
I watched him and was crushed after he left as a kid I hated him for that lol...
But flat out Basketball Skill and Basketball IQ age for age I'd take Kobe over Jordan in today's league (which is really more European than it is the Old NBA which is why IMO Stern wants Gasol's team to win...so he can maybe get something poppin out there)
But after Jordan came back and 3-peated I think he solidified he is a legend among legends...he will arguably always be seen as "the greatest"
But Jordan had mad HOLES in his technical game that Kobe studied and doesn't have
Jordan was by far the better athlete and a better leader and competitor when it comes to the intangibles of winning I'll take Jordan against just about EVERYBODY in every era
I watched him and was crushed after he left as a kid I hated him for that lol...
But flat out Basketball Skill and Basketball IQ age for age I'd take Kobe over Jordan in today's league (which is really more European than it is the Old NBA which is why IMO Stern wants Gasol's team to win...so he can maybe get something poppin out there)
But after Jordan came back and 3-peated I think he solidified he is a legend among legends...he will arguably always be seen as "the greatest"
I'm for real crying!!
I think Kobe Joe Johnson is a great comparison. JORDAN never lost a finals series. I am a die hard knick fan and I am telling you that the Knicks teams that he beat on a regular could punish the Celtics or Lakers.
Jordanians and Fanboys of his Airness please forgive me
But Jordan had mad HOLES in his technical game that Kobe studied and doesn't have
Explain.
Mind you ALL of his skills were pretty much superior to the AVERAGE guard in his time but if we are talking GREATEST OF ALL TIME level...
His jumper was suspect outside of foul line extended
His handle was a kinda a bit suspect too
His court vision and passing ability was barely passable
Before you flame i am not saying any of this was a LIABILITY just pointing out some technical weakness
This is Kobes 7th finals appearance and the best he can end up is 5 for 7
Jordan 6 for 6 and he was the clear cut MVP for all rings.....
As far as 81 points goes...Jordan could have done that if he wanted to. But what is the point? No one has yet to tell me the point of scoring 81 points in a meaningless regular season game against Toronto.
Jordans 63 IN THE PLAYOFFS against a superior Boston team was more impressive to me. Which by the way is the playoff record i think
Jordan 6 for 6 and he was the clear cut MVP for all rings.....
As far as 81 points goes...Jordan could have done that if he wanted to. But what is the point? No one has yet to tell me the point of scoring 81 points in a meaningless regular season game against Toronto.
Jordans 63 IN THE PLAYOFFS against a superior Boston team was more impressive to me. Which by the way is the playoff record i think
u tripping
Lebron is better than Jordan and Kobe.
(I dont really mean it but I see no one has mentioned it yet so why not add a fuel to the fire.)
Oh yeah John Starks was better than MJ and Ill tell you why,because he was light-skinned and had an S-curl all the way up until he was traded and his shit fell out once he got to Utah.
(I dont really mean it but I see no one has mentioned it yet so why not add a fuel to the fire.)
Oh yeah John Starks was better than MJ and Ill tell you why,because he was light-skinned and had an S-curl all the way up until he was traded and his shit fell out once he got to Utah.
You have to be like 17 years old, tops
He really is I bet you couldnt find one basketball analyst/insider/former player to say that. Kobe better than MJ technically is a fucking Joke.The whole easter confernce changed to stop Jordan.
Les W. is halfway right.
Kobe is a more skilled player.
If u had never heard of either player and didn't know their accomplishments and walked into a gym to hoop or and MJ and Kobe were in there with some other cats playing 21 or some shit and then it was time to pick teams from what u observe u would pick Kobe first.
But it hurts me to say this as a Laker Jordan is flat out better for some reason. To put it simply he's just way more productive as a basketball player. I thinks thats the answer.
Jordan had way better court vision and passing than Kobe. "Barely passable"
Jordan also has the edge on basketball IQ.
Kobe is a more skilled player.
If u had never heard of either player and didn't know their accomplishments and walked into a gym to hoop or and MJ and Kobe were in there with some other cats playing 21 or some shit and then it was time to pick teams from what u observe u would pick Kobe first.
But it hurts me to say this as a Laker Jordan is flat out better for some reason. To put it simply he's just way more productive as a basketball player. I thinks thats the answer.
Jordan had way better court vision and passing than Kobe. "Barely passable"
Jordan also has the edge on basketball IQ.
Les W. is halfway right.
Kobe is a more skilled player.
If u had never heard of either player and didn't know their accomplishments and walked into a gym to hoop or and MJ and Kobe were in there with some other cats playing 21 or some shit and then it was time to pick teams from what u observe u would pick Kobe first.
But it hurts me to say this as a Laker Jordan is flat out better for some reason. To put it simply he's just way more productive as a basketball player. I thinks thats the answer.
Jordan had way better court vision and passing than Kobe. "Barely passable"
Jordan also has the edge on basketball IQ.
I should have been more clear I'm not saying that Kobe was a better passer just saying jordan's passing and court vision were not up to par with GOAT status imo
Les W. is halfway right.
Kobe is a more skilled player.
If u had never heard of either player and didn't know their accomplishments and walked into a gym to hoop or and MJ and Kobe were in there with some other cats playing 21 or some shit and then it was time to pick teams from what u observe u would pick Kobe first.
But it hurts me to say this as a Laker Jordan is flat out better for some reason. To put it simply he's just way more productive as a basketball player. I thinks thats the answer.
Jordan had way better court vision and passing than Kobe. "Barely passable"
Jordan also has the edge on basketball IQ.
I mean he's not Magic or Kidd but definitely above average all time. It's one of the underrated aspects of his game.
1. Jordan Rules created to stop man.
2. Took a bunch of no name players and made them into stars.
3. Jordan took down charles and his cast of stars, the stockton and malone combo twice, magic and his showtime goons(almost had triple doubles in 3 of the games), made bird and his squad look like old timers, took out portland stars, he also took down Gary P and the Rainman when they were in their prime.
I didn't research this but did Jordan ride the pine his rookie season? Did Kobe start his 2nd or 3rd season in the league? Did Kobe win all of the finals MVP's that he played in?
2. Took a bunch of no name players and made them into stars.
3. Jordan took down charles and his cast of stars, the stockton and malone combo twice, magic and his showtime goons(almost had triple doubles in 3 of the games), made bird and his squad look like old timers, took out portland stars, he also took down Gary P and the Rainman when they were in their prime.
I didn't research this but did Jordan ride the pine his rookie season? Did Kobe start his 2nd or 3rd season in the league? Did Kobe win all of the finals MVP's that he played in?
And it is not even remotely close here. Kobe does not even have the highest basketball IQ on his current team. He is the most talented bone-headed player I have ever seen in any sport. He often does exactly what you shouldnt do and throws off the Lakers offense. I think this was one of his better years and he had played well during the playoffs but I thought he had figured it out..and game 4 of this series showed ne that he still hasnt.
I think the difference between Kobe and Jordan is MUCH further apart than what a lot of young people imagine. I also think that Kobe is at best the 3rd best Laker at this point behind Magic and Kareem.
Since we are in the finals, game 6 of the is a perfect example of the differences between these two players. Look at how Jordan CONTROLLED this game and compare it to how Kobe often bails out the defense by chucking long-range shots and not pressuring the defense.
Please point out ONE game in the NBA Finals that Kobe has played HALF as good as this. (considering Kobe has played in now 7 NBA finals, you should be able to find one game). Watch the clip first to refresh your memory and play very close attention to what Jordan is doing on the court and the various ways in which he scores and positions himself on the floor on both ends.
Cosign 100% I was just pointing out where I differed from LW's opinion.
What do u think of the skills comparison as in my 21 analogy?
What do u think of the skills comparison as in my 21 analogy?
The thing I like about the ending is after stripping Malone, MJ didn't even look over at the bench. He said fuck this, we're gonna either WIN or LOSE on my last shot attempt. As seasoned as Rodman was, he even looked over at the bench for direction after the strip. MJ was ICE COLD.
I can kind of see where you are going with that....but Not in a game of 21...but in a game of Horse would be more fitting... Although Jordan had a higher vertical than Kobe and more hangtime and definitely yoked on way more people during his career than Kobe.... Kobe and especially cats like Wince Harder are a bit more acrobatic... like I dont think Ive ever seen Jordan do a 360...not like it is that difficult but ive just never seen him do it.... players are getting more acrobatic and creative with their moves... Im not talking about better fundamentals or skills... they are just more creating.
He knew what to do and you knew he was going to get a GOOD shot.. It wouldnt be any fall away shit... 3 feet behind the three point line or any other type of forced shit... He was going to get a nice clean 17 footer because it was a high percentage shot. That is basketball IQ. You see the basketball IQ on the play before... a lot of players and especially Kobe (being down 3) would have taken the three point shot...Jordan was smarter than that... he came down quickly and got the easy LAYUP instead.
I agree with something that Bill Simmons said (hard to imagine right). He said that Kobe could end up having the better career (especially if they win a few more titles) and he remains healthy for a few more years. Kobe is going to have outrageous numbers...he wont have better averages that Jordan but he could easily get in 6-8 more seasons than Jordan so Kobe will have ridiculous totals and he has a chance with the Lakers and being fortunate enough to be on a title contender at a young age, to get some more rings. He could end up with a better career. But he will never been a better player than Jordan.
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I remember that game like it was yesterday.......
GOAT...... that man made a decision to leave Jeff Hornacek(who was 1 of the best shooters I have ever seen) too take take ring away from Karl Malone ass....
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