*********Official Lakers vs. Celtics NBA Finals Thread********

[Rawness]

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Who had the inside position?

Postion is irreleavant Pau forced that ball out of bounds.

That's a common call, the only difference is they went to replay on this one cuz it was late in the game.

 

[LordSinister]

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kind of like what the celtics got from paul pierce and kevin garnett?



the fakers fan scapegoating never ceases. did people watch the game yesterday? for real?

i've read a lot of things this morning about ron artest going 1-10 FGAs, but if people actually watched the game, they'd know he cancelled out quite a few of those misses ON HIS OWN.

who was rajon rondo torching in Q4 to create separation down the stretch?

in Q1, after pau gasol scored 8 points in less than 3 minutes, who immediately starting chucking (and hacking) so that pau gasol didn't get another FGA in the quarter?

in Q2, why was there a more than 10 minute span where pau gasol didn't get an FGA? was somebody chucking and hacking and stopping ball movement and fakers offensive flow? 2 FGAs in Q2 for pau gasol.

in Q3, pau gasol went 3-3 FGAs. why did he only get ONE FGA in Q4 (with 17.9 seconds left and the game decided) instead of the chuckster?

All I'm saying is this: Kobe, Ron and Fish shot like shit. If you'd like to put more of the blame on Kobe cause he shot more, fine. Did Jack it up in the 4th? yeah, but Ron did also.

Fish could shoot 1-19 and I wouldn't shit on him cause most likely they would be good open shots.

 

[LordSinister]

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Postion is irreleavant Pau forced that ball out of bounds.

That's a common call, the only difference is they went to replay on this one cuz it was late in the game.

So position is irrelevant? Umm ok. So over the top means nothing?

 

[LordSinister]

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Bynum is still 10-16 from the field in the series. He is definitely outworking Boston on the offensive glass but he is talling and more athletic than the other bigs for Boston.

However, I dont think they are really LIMITING him to dunks... I think it just signifies that he can get easy buckets against the undersized Boston front court...and when Gasol and Bynum are in their together, it is a wrap.

The ball should be going to Gasol repeatedly in the post, but the reality of the matter is that Bynum will also effectively get high percentage shots against Boston as well.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying.

Bynum is not even in the same class as Gasol as a low post player and may never be.... but what I saying is that Bynum is shooting close to 70 percent in this series, so that signifies that he should also get the ball in the low post as well.

and that is not even discussing the FOULS that Boston is wracking up trying to defend those two.

Bynum shot 12 free throws in game 2 man.. that means he is a problem for Boston..

Too bad the refs will foul him out in Boston.

 

[TimRock]

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in Q1, after pau gasol scored 8 points in less than 3 minutes, who immediately starting chucking (and hacking) so that pau gasol didn't get another FGA in the quarter?

who assisted on Paos 3 consecutive fgs?

he hacked so pao wouldnt get any more shots? really?
i think the hacker was Odom, correct? or was that Kobe in an odom mask?

 

[Rawness]

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So position is irrelevant? Umm ok. So over the top means nothing?

WTF are you talking about? How was KG over the top?

You need to watch that play again.

 

[M.H.C.]

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Why is everybody so bent on that KG play like y'all aint never see that happen before? It didn't make that big a difference. LA was only down 3 at the time so it's not like they couldn't have won the game. That happens all the time and it's a bullshit call but it didn't win the game for the Celtics.

 

[Rawness]

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Bynum is still 10-16 from the field in the series. He is definitely outworking Boston on the offensive glass but he is talling and more athletic than the other bigs for Boston.

However, I dont think they are really LIMITING him to dunks... I think it just signifies that he can get easy buckets against the undersized Boston front court...and when Gasol and Bynum are in their together, it is a wrap.

The ball should be going to Gasol repeatedly in the post, but the reality of the matter is that Bynum will also effectively get high percentage shots against Boston as well.

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying.

Bynum is not even in the same class as Gasol as a low post player and may never be.... but what I saying is that Bynum is shooting close to 70 percent in this series, so that signifies that he should also get the ball in the low post as well.

and that is not even discussing the FOULS that Boston is wracking up trying to defend those two.

Bynum shot 12 free throws in game 2 man.. that means he is a problem for Boston..

Off of dunks, lobs and put backs. He's killing them on the boards, yes, I agree, but he hasn't done anything on the post. He has no post moves.

 

[Spectrum]

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Too bad the refs will foul him out in Boston.

A damn shame that the refs are a storyline... Im really interested to see how this game is going to be called in Boston

 

[TimRock]

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A damn shame that the refs are a storyline... Im really interested to see how this game is going to be called in Boston

there were bad calls all over the place. but the lakers didnt take advantage. rondo destroyed kobe in every aspect, and ray was too much on the screens. yeah, we did great inside, but you cant do that every play. the bigs kept us in it, just like ray and rondo kept boston on top. our bench didnt produce either, which was a major factor. Odumb needs to step up.

 

[LordSinister]

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WTF are you talking about? How was KG over the top?

You need to watch that play again.

Pau had inside position if I recall corectly. KG went over the top/side. That's how he managed to get a hand on it. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I saw.

 

[LordSinister]

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Off of dunks, lobs and put backs. He's killing them on the boards, yes, I agree, but he hasn't done anything on the post. He has no post moves.

ummm, have you seen him besides this series. Kareem taught him some decent footwork and nice baby hooks and face up jumpers. He's no dream, but he's a lot better in the post than Dwight. (as far as post moves and touch)

 

[Rawness]

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ummm, have you seen him besides this series. Kareem taught him some decent footwork and nice baby hooks and face up jumpers. He's no dream, but he's a lot better in the post than Dwight. (as far as post moves and touch)

This series is what I'm talking about though, in THIS series he's not killing us in the post. I'm not afraid of him down there at all.

 

[LordSinister]

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This series is what I'm talking about though, in THIS series he's not killing us in the post. I'm not afraid of him down there at all.

60% isn't killing?

 

[cranrab]

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who assisted on Paos 3 consecutive fgs?

tobe. as it should be. role players should always feed the focal point of the O.

he hacked so pao wouldnt get any more shots? really?

my comment was chucked and hacked. not just hacked.

in the final 3:30 of Q1, tobe was 0-3 FGAs and committed 1 PF.

in that same stretch of time, pau gasol only had 1 FGA.

i think the hacker was Odom, correct? or was that Kobe in an odom mask?

lamar odom definitely picked up 3 PFs in less than 60 seconds.

glad you brought that up.

for those who watched the game, they know that lamar odom suffered the first PF due to tobe's poor shot selection. after running down the shot clock by holding the ball for nearly the entire duration, tobe tried to hot potato pau gasol. pau gasol returned the pass immediately, as he was 22' out, and tobe hoisted another brick. the celtics got the long rebound, got in transition, and lamar odom had to absorb the PF due to tobe's inept play.

the very next possession, tobe forced a poor shot and the result was the same. fakers out of position due to a dumb shot attempt, celtics end up in transition, and lamar odom has to absorb a PF.

notice that both of those fouls were a result of paul pierce - lamar odom. lamar odom's assignment was rasheed wallace, not paul pierce.

it's a shame you didn't get to watch G2. hope you get to watch G3.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

 

[cranrab]

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This series is what I'm talking about though, in THIS series he's not killing us in the post. I'm not afraid of him down there at all.

andrew bynum is smart enough and has enough faith in the O to not take stupid shots.

the only time he gets in trouble is when he is fatigued and mechanically executes his moves.

if you are a celtics fan, you should be worried. andrew bynum is getting opportunities because the 2nd and sometimes 3rd defender is late (or not there at all) in rotating.

but your point is acknowledged about andrew bynum not being much of an independent scoring threat, as i think all but 1 of his FGMs was assisted in G2.

 

[TimRock]

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tobe. as it should be. role players should always feed the focal point of the O.

so kobes mindset was, "let me feed gasol, but if he scores, i'll get mad and start chucking and hacking" ?

You made a point of mentioning how gasol scored 8 straight, but left out how he came to score those points. wonder why that was.

my comment was chucked and hacked. not just hacked

in the final 3:30 of Q1, tobe was 0-3 FGAs and committed 1 PF.

1 pf in 3:30 is hacking? explain.


@ your attempt to blame kobe for Odoms poor play. I guess kobe put pierce in odoms way on that 3rd foul right?

lamar odom's assignment was rasheed wallace, not paul pierce.

if thats the case, sheed hit a 3 and a jump shot. But let me guess, at that time, odom wasnt guarding him or supposed to be guarding him.

Pierce drew all three fouls on Odom. I thought players were supposed to get back on d after missed shots. Whats odoms excuse? So because Kobe missed two shots, Odom had to foul? Really. So everytime a player misses a shot, and a foul occurs right after, the player who shot the ball is at fault?

 

[cranrab]

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@ your attempt to blame kobe for Odoms poor play.

i could see how it could be funny to someone who doesn't understand basketball, especially the triple post O.

i posted a video on the SPORTS board where coach winter begins to explain how the D is set up by proper execution of the triple post O. when tobe hijacks the O, it leaves the team out of position for proper D.

but its easier to laugh than learn so please humor yourself.

So everytime a player misses a shot, and a foul occurs right after, the player who shot the ball is at fault?

if the shot was poor, and/or taken outside of the structure of the O, very frequently, yes.

since you are hyper-sensitive to tobe's mistakes, i'll provide another example which you might comprehend with less emotion.

in Q2, jordan farmar attempted a terrible bank shot which lead to celtics transition. it resulted in 1 of ray allen's 3FGMs.

i'm betting that example will sink in a little deeper because it doesn't involve someone so near and dear to your heart.

 

[cranrab]

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if thats the case, sheed hit a 3 and a jump shot. But let me guess, at that time, odom wasnt guarding him or supposed to be guarding him.

i wanted to address this separately.

"if that's the case"? you didn't know that ron artest was defending paul pierce during that stretch?

seems odd that someone who watched could miss that.

"but let me guess"? rasheed hit a 3FGA and a jump shot in the last 2 minutes. care to share how those made buckets evolved? why would someone who watched the game have to "guess" what transpired?

 

[TimRock]

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i could see how it could be funny to someone who doesn't understand basketball, especially the triple post O.

i posted a video on the SPORTS board where coach winter begins to explain how the D is set up by proper execution of the triple post O. when tobe hijacks the O, it leaves the team out of position for proper D.

but its easier to laugh than learn so please humor yourself.



if the shot was poor, and/or taken outside of the structure of the O, very frequently, yes.

since you are hyper-sensitive to tobe's mistakes, i'll provide another example which you might comprehend with less emotion.

in Q2, jordan farmar attempted a terrible bank shot which lead to celtics transition. it resulted in 1 of ray allen's 3FGMs.

i'm betting that example will sink in a little deeper because it doesn't involve someone so near and dear to your heart.

no response regarding the first part of my post huh. not suprised.

near and dear? says the man with more post about kobe than everyone else on the entire forum. but let me guess, its just knowledge right? you're just correcting everyone else.

i'll leave you to it.

 

[TimRock]

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i wanted to address this separately.

"if that's the case"? you didn't know that ron artest was defending paul pierce during that stretch?

seems odd that someone who watched could miss that.

"but let me guess"? rasheed hit a 3FGA and a jump shot in the last 2 minutes. care to share how those made buckets evolved? why would someone who watched the game have to "guess" what transpired?

sarcasm. calm down.
I dont recall saying odom was guarding pierce, show me where i said or indicated that.

perkins and davis offensive rebounds (kobes assignment right)?

 

[cranrab]

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no response regarding the first part of my post huh. not suprised.

i've already addressed it.

if you weren't so hysterical, you wouldn't have missed it.

 

[cranrab]

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sarcasm. calm down.
I dont recall saying odom was guarding pierce, show me where i said or indicated that.

calm down?

i don't see any exclamation points or large fonts.

why "if" when it is an affirmed fact to all viewers that rasheed wallace/lamar odom was the defensive assignment?

 

[TimRock]

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calm down?

i don't see any exclamation points or large fonts.

why "if" when it is an affirmed fact to all viewers that rasheed wallace/lamar odom was the defensive assignment?

again, show me where i made any indication that odom was guarding pierce.

 

[LordSinister]

cranrab, you should write for Stephen Colbert. Your shit is funny. I bet you could Kobe for the oil spill too.

 

[cranrab]

Celtics NBA Finals Thread********

cranrab, you should write for Stephen Colbert. Your shit is funny.

shit is elementary but people don't know enough about basketball. examine the 2 PFs that lamar odom picked up in Q1 in a linear fashion.

work backwards in small steps.

paul pierce ended up at the FT line. why?

lamar odom fouled paul pierce even though rasheed wallace was his assignment. how did lamar odom end up defending paul pierce?

celtics were in transition. how did celtics get into transition?

tobe's poor shots, taken due to bad judgement and working outside the O.

anyone who claims otherwise has serious problems facing reality.

 

[M.H.C.]

Only do Laker threads end up with more posts between games than during the games. On to game 3.

 

[LordSinister]

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shit is elementary but people don't know enough about basketball. examine the 2 PFs that lamar odom picked up in Q1 in a linear fashion.

work backwards in small steps.

paul pierce ended up at the FT line. why?

lamar odom fouled paul pierce even though rasheed wallace was his assignment. how did lamar odom end up defending paul pierce?

celtics were in transition. how did celtics get into transition?

tobe's poor shots, taken due to bad judgement and working outside the O.

anyone who claims otherwise has serious problems facing reality.

Still, Klhoe Odom is playing like shit. How long has he been playing with Kobe? And he still does the same shit?

 

[cranrab]

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Still, Klhoe Odom is playing like shit. How long has he been playing with Kobe? And he still does the same shit?

you talking about tobe or lamar odom?



i'm not a fan of lamar odom, but dude quietly takes lumps that he doesn't deserve.

case in point, the 2 PFs discussed above.

but another example on this page is how timrock tried to put those rasheed wallace FGMs on lamar odom.

for people who watched the game, they already know that lamar odom made the correct basketball play on both of those defensive possessions. where was (or maybe more importantly who was) the 2nd rotator that never showed?

in Q1 lamar odom played the good teammate in 4 out of 5 plays (the offensive foul is on him), but fakers fans (and the media) pile on.

sad.

 

[360KNOWLEDGE2]

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A damn shame that the refs are a storyline... Im really interested to see how this game is going to be called in Boston

The NBA really needs to fix this shit. They have the worse refs of all major sports. For example, NFL refs when they fuck up, there's a really good chance they could get reprimanded. At least the NFL gives the appearance of fairness. Cant say the same thing for the "Association".

 

[TimRock]

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you talking about tobe or lamar odom?



i'm not a fan of lamar odom, but dude quietly takes lumps that he doesn't deserve.

case in point, the 2 PFs discussed above.

but another example on this page is how timrock tried to put those rasheed wallace FGMs on lamar odom.

for people who watched the game, they already know that lamar odom made the correct basketball play on both of those defensive possessions. where was (or maybe more importantly who was) the 2nd rotator that never showed?

in Q1 lamar odom played the good teammate in 4 out of 5 plays (the offensive foul is on him), but fakers fans (and the media) pile on.

sad.

so basically, everything negative that happened on the court was a result of a kobe miscue?
hilarious.

 

[4 Dimensional]

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shit is elementary but people don't know enough about basketball. examine the 2 PFs that lamar odom picked up in Q1 in a linear fashion.

work backwards in small steps.

paul pierce ended up at the FT line. why?

lamar odom fouled paul pierce even though rasheed wallace was his assignment. how did lamar odom end up defending paul pierce?

celtics were in transition. how did celtics get into transition?

tobe's poor shots, taken due to bad judgement and working outside the O.

anyone who claims otherwise has serious problems facing reality.

Man you sound just like my old college coach from WSSU. In film sessions he use you kill on players that took bad shots because those bad shot always lead to either a 3 or a foul due to crossed up matches. I think that is basketball 101 though. Taking horrible shots especially in a half type game is a big no no.

Good Analysis!!

 

[cranrab]

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so basically, everything negative that happened on the court was a result of a kobe miscue?
hilarious.

hilarious or sad.

do you always imagine (inject?) tobe into posts that never mentioned him?

 

[Spectrum]

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and why is Artest shooting so many three pointers...