Maybe there’s some reason for hope: Christianity on the decline in the U.S.

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Maybe there’s some reason for hope: Christianity on the decline in the U.S.

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This has been an ongoing trend for a few years now and it does my heart good after listening to Theocratic minded politicians all day. The folks at USATODAY.com have a cool chart on the decline and the corresponding up tick in the numbers of non-believers:

The percentage of people who call themselves in some way Christian has dropped more than 11% in a generation. The faithful have scattered out of their traditional bases: The Bible Belt is less Baptist. The Rust Belt is less Catholic. And everywhere, more people are exploring spiritual frontiers — or falling off the faith map completely.

These dramatic shifts in just 18 years are detailed in the new American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS), to be released today. It finds that, despite growth and immigration that has added nearly 50 million adults to the U.S. population, almost all religious denominations have lost ground since the first ARIS survey in 1990.

“More than ever before, people are just making up their own stories of who they are. They say, ‘I’m everything. I’m nothing. I believe in myself,’ ” says Barry Kosmin, survey co-author.

You can bet that we’ll be seeing a lot of articles from the Religious Right over the next few days totally freaking out over this study. You can also expect to see the RR get even more shrill and defensive of their beliefs as a result. Best of all, the category of “no religion” has grown significantly. Not all of them are atheists or agnostics, but they’re not far from it I’d bet:

• So many Americans claim no religion at all (15%, up from 8% in 1990), that this category now outranks every other major U.S. religious group except Catholics and Baptists. In a nation that has long been mostly Christian, “the challenge to Christianity … does not come from other religions but from a rejection of all forms of organized religion,” the report concludes.

If that doesn’t warm the cockles of your heathen heart then nothing will. Expect attacks from the Christians about how evil we atheists are to increase as a result of the above statistic.

• Catholic strongholds in New England and the Midwest have faded as immigrants, retirees and young job-seekers have moved to the Sun Belt. While bishops from the Midwest to Massachusetts close down or consolidate historic parishes, those in the South are scrambling to serve increasing numbers of worshipers.

• Baptists, 15.8% of those surveyed, are down from 19.3% in 1990. Mainline Protestant denominations, once socially dominant, have seen sharp declines: The percentage of Methodists, for example, dropped from 8% to 5%.

• The percentage of those who choose a generic label, calling themselves simply Christian, Protestant, non-denominational, evangelical or “born again,” was 14.2%, about the same as in 1990.

• Jewish numbers showed a steady decline, from 1.8% in 1990 to 1.2% today. The percentage of Muslims, while still slim, has doubled, from 0.3% to 0.6%. Analysts within both groups suggest those numbers understate the groups’ populations.

The report also shows how important it is for atheists to stand up and self-identify to help counteract the negative stereotypes about us. Those of use who are “out of the closet” are having a positive impact on those who have yet to emerge, but who are considering it:

The ARIS research also led in quantifying and planting a label on the “Nones” — people who said “None” when asked the survey’s basic question: “What is your religious identity?”

The survey itself may have contributed to a higher rate of reporting as sociologists began analyzing the newly identified Nones. “The Nones may have felt more free to step forward, less looked upon as outcasts” after the ARIS results were published, Keysar says.

Oregon once led the nation in Nones (18% in 1990), but in 2008 the leader, with 34%, was Vermont, where Nones significantly outnumber every other group.

Meabh Fitzpatrick, 49, of Rutland, Vt., says she is upfront about becoming an atheist 10 years ago because “it’s important for us to be counted. I’m a taxpayer and a law-abiding citizen and an ethical person, and I don’t think people assume this about atheists.”

It’s worth reading the whole article if for no other reason than to see the chart ranking “nones” as third behind Catholics and Baptists. Then pop up some popcorn and get ready for the Religious Right to freak out.

This was sent in by a whole bunch of SEB readers, often with links to various news sources.
 
Sorry. Read their bible. It is an evil agenda. Christianity and Christians are the problem.

I agree... I used to think different til I read ABOUT it, instead of WITHIN it.

The God of the bible is the most wicked dude EVER.
 
Those who are revolting against Christianity, may you kindly suggest what we must follow/ believe as a people?
 
Those who are revolting against Christianity, may you kindly suggest what we must follow/ believe as a people?

I dont think finding a substitute for a myth will be a benefit to anyone. Understand evolution and become a benefit to society, present and future, will benefit us all.
 
Sorry. Read their bible. It is an evil agenda. Christianity and Christians are the problem.

Ok...so what is bashing Christianity doing for you guys then? It's the same names in every thread I noticed...The way I look at it you guys have an evil agenda of your own as well
 
Ok...so what is bashing Christianity doing for you guys then? It's the same names in every thread I noticed...The way I look at it you guys have an evil agenda of your own as well

And that evil agenda is? Freeing my people of absurd slave culture is an evil agenda? Have you read the bible? Studied the origins of Christianity...in all it's forms?
 
Ok...so what is bashing Christianity doing for you guys then? It's the same names in every thread I noticed...The way I look at it you guys have an evil agenda of your own as well

you would. Instead of getting pissed at the "same people", look into what we're talking about.
 
Those who are revolting against Christianity, may you kindly suggest what we must follow/ believe as a people?

Reason. The natural world. The golden rule. Philosophy, art, science- all these things cover the same things as religion.

You can still BELIEVE and have FAITH, meaning, sometimes, many things are out of your hands, and you have no choice but to have a positive outlook and HOPE for the best.

The natural world is FAR more wondrous and fascinating than fantasy anyway. DOn't be afraid .
 
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"Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER! "
 
And that evil agenda is? Freeing my people of absurd slave culture is an evil agenda? Have you read the bible? Studied the origins of Christianity...in all it's forms?

I see you in most religious threads bashing Christianity and Christians so yes that can be looked at as an evil agenda based off the energy I see given off by it..Do not speak in Absolutes and say Christianity and Christians are the problem because you include every Christian in that equation including the Christians that are of good character and they do not deserve that...That is the only problem I have with what you are saying
 
I see you in most religious threads bashing Christianity and Christians so yes that can be looked at as an evil agenda based off the energy I see given off by it..Do not speak in Absolutes and say Christianity and Christians are the problem because you include every Christian in that equation including the Christians that are of good character and they do not deserve that...That is the only problem I have with what you are saying

I see what ya did there

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you would. Instead of getting pissed at the "same people", look into what we're talking about.

I could never be pissed at what you guys are saying...I wish all you guys the best and hope you realize the Truth you are looking for...I am looking at things from a different perspective..I see good Christians being classified in the same category as the Christians that might have their own evil agendas..That is the reason for my own original comment

How can you say that a person that is doing good is the problem? Isn't that what would should all be striving for at the end of the day?
 
I see you in most religious threads bashing Christianity and Christians so yes that can be looked at as an evil agenda based off the energy I see given off by it..Do not speak in Absolutes and say Christianity and Christians are the problem because you include every Christian in that equation including the Christians that are of good character and they do not deserve that...That is the only problem I have with what you are saying

Brother cozmic, the "christians" of good character you speak of are victims. I call them CVs...Christian Victims...or Christianity's Victims if you will. Well meaning folk that have been fed a placebo to keep them forever enslaved as spiritual infants. Their good character can not be attributed to their study or adherence to Christianity. I suspect if they actually study Christianity or at least read the bible then they'd no longer want to be Christian. That is part of the absurdity of it all. I have learned that one can only be Christian if he either a) Knows nothing about it, b) Not intelligent enough to comprehend it, c) too lazy to study it, or d) overcome with guilt with the lives he/she has led previously.

I do not wish harm on these people. I simply wish them cured of their poisoning because their poisoning has had ill effect on our whole community. Why do I call it a placebo? Christianity doesn't teach any daily spiritual discipline. Hell, at least Islam has the 5 daily prayers concept...but I digress. Christianity has not made any of these people more peaceful. On the contrary, they give in to their beastly nature and attempt to kill anyone or anything that doesn't agree with their myth. How can anyone who claims to be at peace with Earth and all Earthlings (incl. animals) actually follow such an intolerant blood thirsty God as portrayed in the Christian bible? Go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus? :( Then people like myself are called intolerant for pointing out the intolerance of Christianity, Christians, and the bible. Hey, I didn't write the book. Just giving my review.

Fam, I will not be a part of any religion that preaches intolerance and hate. And I will not give it a pass just because millions of people were conquered then force fed this foolishness to the point of no longer wanting to resist it.

So no, sir, there is no evil agenda from wiZe. Please don't confuse me loving my people with having an evil agenda. Please read the bible. Please study African history. Please study Christian history. Study world history. Don't just speak from emotion, fam. That's what killing us too.
 
I see you in most religious threads bashing Christianity and Christians so yes that can be looked at as an evil agenda based off the energy I see given off by it..Do not speak in Absolutes and say Christianity and Christians are the problem because you include every Christian in that equation including the Christians that are of good character and they do not deserve that...That is the only problem I have with what you are saying

Fam, have you read the Christian bible?
 
doesn't make much sense in this thread/ The Chriostianity being discussed is the Post Rome one. Me myself, I give a shit about any version of it- it's dogmatic supernatural fairy tales.


AGREED
. Just to let you know I don't belong to any religious sect and find the material in the bible as nothing more than fanciful fables with a hint of cautionary tales.


BUT, J Storm response to the post he quoted was simply making a point about motive and intent and I agree with him. The numerous alterations made along with the complete removal of text in order to suit THEIR version of Christianity during the Council of Nicaea meetings diluted the original message of Christianity to to fit Roman perspective which was comprised of dominating the minds of their subjects for their own advantage.


You can't seriously tell me actions such as those seriously negate the message and purpose of what Christianity was suppose to uphold. That is all J Storm was saying.
 
I could never be pissed at what you guys are saying...I wish all you guys the best and hope you realize the Truth you are looking for...I am looking at things from a different perspective..I see good Christians being classified in the same category as the Christians that might have their own evil agendas..That is the reason for my own original comment

How can you say that a person that is doing good is the problem? Isn't that what would should all be striving for at the end of the day?

It's not as "different" perspective as you think. I'll give you my personal take on it.

A person doing "good" who is not a christian is not doing enough , according to who? Christians. That judgement is built into the dogma. Being passive about this is betrayal of what is written for you to believe.

That's judgement is what I would like to see erased. Not the person.

There is no such judgement written anywhere for non believers.
 
Christianity is a white-washed religion that was radically altered from a text that WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A RECORD to a specific group of people.

The Bible is a Book of Records. It's not meant for anyone else but the original descendants of Jacob as record of their history. No one else.

The Greeks under Antiochus Epiphanes started this when some of them started converting under the "religion" of the Jews and began "white washing" the Scriptures of the Jews. They began twisting certain practices and statutes to conform to some of their pagan practices.

The Greeks > The Romans (Roman Catholic Church) > The Europeans > The Americans
 

AGREED
. Just to let you know I don't belong to any religious sect and find the material in the bible as nothing more than fanciful fables with a hint of cautionary tales.


BUT, J Storm response to the post he quoted was simply making a point about motive and intent and I agree with him. The numerous alterations made along with the complete removal of text in order to suit THEIR version of Christianity during the Council of Nicaea meetings diluted the original message of Christianity to to fit Roman perspective which was comprised of dominating the minds of their subjects for their own advantage.


You can't seriously tell me actions such as those seriously negate the message and purpose of what Christianity was suppose to uphold. That is all J Storm was saying.

Do you know any adherents to pre-Roman Christianity?
 
Do you know any adherents to pre-Roman Christianity?

It's sketchy at best, I'm more familiar with how Roman officials distorted Christianity to fit their world view than pre-Roman Christianity.


If you know more please do tell me.
 

AGREED
. Just to let you know I don't belong to any religious sect and find the material in the bible as nothing more than fanciful fables with a hint of cautionary tales.


BUT, J Storm response to the post he quoted was simply making a point about motive and intent and I agree with him. The numerous alterations made along with the complete removal of text in order to suit THEIR version of Christianity during the Council of Nicaea meetings diluted the original message of Christianity to to fit Roman perspective which was comprised of dominating the minds of their subjects for their own advantage.


You can't seriously tell me actions such as those seriously negate the message and purpose of what Christianity was suppose to uphold. That is all J Storm was saying.

That's probably a point we disagree on. I would argue that any form of Christianity is a hijacking of the process of reason. I don't care WHO made it.
 
It's sketchy at best, I'm more familiar with how Roman officials distorted Christianity to fit their world view than pre-Roman Christianity.


If you know more please do tell me.

Constantine - The Messenger of the Sun God

There should be no religion associated with the culture of the Jews.
 
That's probably a point we disagree on. I would argue that any form of Christianity is a hijacking of the process of reason. I don't care WHO made it.

I don't care WHO made it either, but since the Roman interpretation/Kings James version are still the prevailing forms of Christianity in modern day society you can see how the selfish motives of powerful individuals can twist a message to suit their desire.
 
It was written:

And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then many will fall away [1] and betray one another and hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
 
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