US Government Buying PS3's By The Thousands For Computing Power

Heist

Rising Star
Registered
This should pretty much silence the XBOX360 - PS3 debate.

The government is buying them up by the THOUSANDS and stringing them together to use as a daisy chained supercomputer.

Imagine if they used XBOX's and kept getting RROD issues in the middle of a calculation.

Or if XBOX Live came in and banned their console for being modded. :lol:


bu-playstation05_0500921056.jpg

The Air Force Research Laboratory in Rome, N.Y., uses 336 PS3s for research on urban surveillance.

When it comes to high-performance computing, Sony's PlayStation 3 is not all fun and games.

Four years after Sony unveiled its gaming console to the world, some researchers and federal agencies are using PS3s for serious work.

For the last year, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency's Cyber Crimes Center in Fairfax, Va., has used a bank of 40 interconnected PS3 consoles to decrypt passwords. It's working to add 40 more units.


Through Stanford University's Folding@home project, almost 40,000 PS3s volunteered by their owners during idle time currently contribute to the study of protein folding. More than 880,000 PS3 consoles have participated in the project, researchers said.

The U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory in Rome, N.Y., uses a cluster of 336 PS3s for research on urban surveillance and large image processing. Last month, the lab ordered 2,200 more units.
:eek:

"We're taking gaming consoles and doing something scientific," said Mark Barnell, high-performance computing director at the information directorate of the Air Force's research lab.

Since the PS3's unveiling in 2005, the console has been touted not only for its amped-up gaming capabilities but also for its ability to generate complex real-time graphics and calculations thanks to its ground-breaking Cell processor, created by IBM in collaboration with Sony and Toshiba.

What particularly caught the attention of researchers was the PS3's ability to have the Linux operating system installed on it - which allows the gaming console to be transformed into a powerful home computer.

That opened the door for researchers to use the PS3's power for projects and experiments that required high-performance computing.

The Cell processor, researchers said, is perfect for applications that need a heavy amount of number-crunching and can vastly outperform traditional CPUs. The processor, for example, can do 100 billion operations per second while a typical CPU can only run 5 billion, said David P. Anderson, a computer scientist and director of the Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing.
Games to science

"The PlayStation 3's Cell processor allows video games to simulate physical reality. You can have a character with clothing and the clothing will flap in the wind," he said. "It turned out that with a certain amount of work, it was possible to run scientific applications in the processor."

The real performance edge of the PS3 shows off when the computing power of several consoles is joined together. While early experiments tried clustering several consoles, Stanford's Folding@home project was among the first to try something more ambitious.

Since 1999, FAH has studied the way proteins fold and misfold in an effort to better understand diseases like Alzheimer's, Huntington's and Parkinson's. Because running simulations requires staggering amounts of computing power, the FAH team appeals to computer owners across the globe to help by leaving their computers on to perform calculations and simulations when they're not using them.

The combined computing power coming from the network of volunteers was modest until FAH and Sony developed an application that would allow PS3 owners to contribute their idle consoles to the project.

"We more than tripled or quadrupled the power of FAH with the addition of the PlayStations," said FAH director Vijay Pande.

Soon after, FAH won the Guinness world record for achieving the first Petaflop, or one quadrillion operations per second. The project now runs the most powerful supercomputer cluster in the world, Pande said.

"The PS3 is an example of something that has a remarkable processor and is relatively inexpensive," he said.
Performance, price

And cost has been an enormous selling point among researchers. While the console's initial $499-$599 price caused shock waves among consumers, researchers actually saw a high-performance processor that was both energy and cost-efficient. (The newest version of the PS3 retails for $299 but cannot run Linux.)

For cash-strapped federal agencies, the balance between performance and price was crucial.

Chris Landi, senior special agent and section chief at ICE's Cyber Crimes Center, said each PlayStation 3 in the center's decryption silo is capable of generating 25,000 passwords per second while a Dell PowerEdge server, several of which are part of the silo, produces 17,000.

"The cost for each Dell server is around $3,500, he said. Landi estimates the cost of the silo - which is used in child exploitation and pornography investigations and is often used by local, state, federal and even foreign agencies - to be around $1 million. The figure for a machine with similar capabilities that didn't use PS3s would be much higher, he said.

Berkeley's Anderson said newer technologies can now easily outperform the PS3's Cell processor. The Nvidia and ATI graphic processing units, for example, are at least 10 times faster than the Cell processor, he said.

But both Landi and Barnell said they believe the PS3s in their machines will serve them for many years.

"Whatever new equipment we get, we'll just tie it to old equipment. It'll never stop being useful," Landi said.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/05/BU731AV5TM.DTL#ixzz0ZFFoLzOR
 
But does it have good games?

sure does....as a matter of fact...don't we have a ffew that you all have plus..top grade exclusives too??


the whole games argument was relative back in 06'...that just doesn't fly anymore...


when was the last time 360 had a powerhouse exclusive that wasn't gears..halo...forza?
 
sure does....as a matter of fact...don't we have a ffew that you all have plus..top grade exclusives too??


the whole games argument was relative back in 06'...that just doesn't fly anymore...


when was the last time 360 had a powerhouse exclusive that wasn't gears..halo...forza?

- very well put...I bought my PS3 to play baseball on, and truthfully I was gonna trade it back, but it's so good I decided to keep it. it's a BEAST and basically has the same games as the XBOX 360...oh yeah, and Uncharted 2 :lol::lol:
 
sure does....as a matter of fact...don't we have a ffew that you all have plus..top grade exclusives too??


the whole games argument was relative back in 06'...that just doesn't fly anymore...


when was the last time 360 had a powerhouse exclusive that wasn't gears..halo...forza?


So why is it still losing? :confused::confused:

Does ps3 have those gta exclusives yet?
 
sure does....as a matter of fact...don't we have a ffew that you all have plus..top grade exclusives too??


the whole games argument was relative back in 06'...that just doesn't fly anymore...


when was the last time 360 had a powerhouse exclusive that wasn't gears..halo...forza?

C/S
 
But does it have good games?

Basically!, and did it change the future of gaming with an Online Community?.. Yo i shit on Ps3 but I respect the power of it. In typcial Ps3 fanboy fashion when speaking of the ps3 Experience its ALWAYS SOMETHING OTHER THEN GAMING!!! The shit is a video game system , but corner a fanboy an you hear about blu ray an media centers and now "super computing".. in the words of Chad Ocho.. Childplease! :angry:
 
So why is it still losing? :confused::confused:

Does ps3 have those gta exclusives yet?



1.It supposed to it was a year behind the 360....


2.You all complained about the price...Sony dropped it......Complained about games...Sony made them...in 2009..you say Why is it still losing?
Sony says...apparently you missed the boat...Next year..you'll have one in the living room playing God of War III....


3.That 50 million paid by M$ basically paid for our next Rockstar
exclusive Agent :D

thanks for the donation :D
 
This should pretty much silence the XBOX360 - PS3 debate.

The government is buying them up by the THOUSANDS and stringing them together to use as a daisy chained supercomputer.

Imagine if they used XBOX's and kept getting RROD issues in the middle of a calculation.

Or if XBOX Live came in and banned their console for being modded. :lol:


bu-playstation05_0500921056.jpg

The Air Force Research Laboratory in Rome, N.Y., uses 336 PS3s for research on urban surveillance.

This was a good read.

By the way, did you know that PS2s were being used to do something similar when they first came out? Also, did you know that the PS2 was so powerful when it first came out that it could be used to make a nuclear weapon (of course you would need the uranium and other ingredients :D). It had to be modified before being shipped over from Japan.

Oh, I almost forgot.......FUCK THE XBOX!! :dance:
 
But does it have good games?

But does it work without it nuking itself.
Or having to turn in on an obtuse angle.
Or having to wrap it in a towel.
Or having to stick it in a cooling chamber.


Why, yes. Yes it does.
 
Yall cool with this? These are not for playing games. I read these were to be used for urban surveillance. Let me see if I can find the story.

Here:
U.S. Air Force using the PS3 for ‘urban surveillance’ research
link

A few weeks ago word got out that the U.S. Air Force had purchased 2,200 PS3s to throw into a supercomputing cluster. The cell-powered PS3s are to be used for research in “urban surveillance,” what that is.

No, this isn’t the first time the PS3 has been used unusually. Folding@home has used the PS3 to help research protein folding.

Immigration officials also use the PS3 to help crack encrypted hard drives that are suspected to contain child pornography.

You already know why these organizations are using the PS3: it’s tremendously powerful, especially when you take into account it only costs $300 a pop. So you buy a few of them, string ‘em together, and there you go.

-VG
 
wtf is a string of ps3's gonna do for me at my house?

Nothing. This doesnt kill any debate. The main purpose of a video game system at its heart is to.......PLAY VIDEO games. PS3 came out too late. Sure the hardware is more powerful....Xbox was more powerful than PS2...and what did that mean? Sony wasted too much time bringing it out then too much money producing it. Notice how in the commercials they talk about all the shit PS3 can do BESIDES playing games?....

The sales speak for themselves.
 
Good read.:yes:
Glad I have both, but prefer my 360 any day of the week.

My PS3 does blu-ray duty most of the time, and gets games(mostly PS3 exclusives) every now and then. If there's a game I want on both platforms I usually get the Xbox version.

Yeah I'll be there for G.O.W III:)
 
sure does....as a matter of fact...don't we have a ffew that you all have plus..top grade exclusives too??


the whole games argument was relative back in 06'...that just doesn't fly anymore...


when was the last time 360 had a powerhouse exclusive that wasn't gears..halo...forza?
you named 3 power house exclusives and just killed your own argument:lol: that's like saying "what do the lakers have other than Kobe",:lol: what powerhouse exclusives do the ps3 have period go ahead just rattle them off.......let's not mention xbox live which is worth having an xbox by itself, how you guys play online without it is beyond me....:smh:

there is really no reason to have a ps3 until god of war 3 comes out next year
 
you named 3 power house exclusives and just killed your own argument:lol: that's like saying "what do the lakers have other than Kobe",:lol: what powerhouse exclusives do the ps3 have period go ahead just rattle them off.......let's not mention xbox live which is worth having an xbox by itself, how you guys play online without it is beyond me....:smh:

there is really no reason to have a ps3 until god of war 3 comes out next year

Man besides Dr. Dre, 50 Cent, and Eminem who does Interscope really have that's dope in the rap industry? See I told you they were a shitty label. :lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
doesn't surprise me...the cell broadband processor is REMARKABLE. It's literally and 8-core, mid-speed processor. And it only dedicates 7 cores to actual processing power. I kinda wish the ps3 had more RAM to accomodate heavier Linux loads though.
 
Its just one of those things.side by side aint no comparison.99 bucks for wireless.ps3 built in.rechargable battery standard in ps3.no hi def player:eek::smh: online browser,linux,rip games.Why beta loose to vhs?Why HD loose to bluRay?Online play is free for ps3,50 bucks for the box.just one of those things...



360 gamertag:UrMomsEyeMyLoad:D
 
doesn't surprise me...the cell broadband processor is REMARKABLE. It's literally and 8-core, mid-speed processor. And it only dedicates 7 cores to actual processing power. I kinda wish the ps3 had more RAM to accomodate heavier Linux loads though.
I remember when the ps3 just came out and they were hyping the cell processor but I haven't heard much about it since
 
wtf is a string of ps3's gonna do for me at my house?

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/TG4GaPcLgOs[/FLASH]

You might be talkin shit to your house cause it don't have exclusives....and then....
 
Last edited:
I remember when the ps3 just came out and they were hyping the cell processor but I haven't heard much about it since

cause the average consumer wouldn't actually care. they just want to play games and watch movies. Cell is still making it's rounds, just not as much hype behind it....yet.

I personally think that they original 60gb PS3 is the single greatest console ever made. It truly has the biggest catalog of games thanks to its Emotion Engine. It played EVERY ps2 game I tried flawlessly. The 80gb...not so much, due to the ps2 emulation software.
 
you named 3 power house exclusives and just killed your own argument:lol: that's like saying "what do the lakers have other than Kobe",:lol: what powerhouse exclusives do the ps3 have period go ahead just rattle them off.......let's not mention xbox live which is worth having an xbox by itself, how you guys play online without it is beyond me....:smh:

there is really no reason to have a ps3 until god of war 3 comes out next year

can you play:

uncharted: drake's fortune
uncharted 2
resistance fall of man
resistance 2
ratchet and clank future: Tools of destruction
ratchet and clank future: A Crack in time
infamous
Metal Gear Solid 4
Killzone 2

on your xbox 360?

more games does not mean better games.
 
doesn't surprise me...the cell broadband processor is REMARKABLE. It's literally and 8-core, mid-speed processor. And it only dedicates 7 cores to actual processing power. I kinda wish the ps3 had more RAM to accomodate heavier Linux loads though.

Ummm, what does that mean in English?
 
can you play:

uncharted: drake's fortune
uncharted 2
resistance fall of man
resistance 2
ratchet and clank future: Tools of destruction
ratchet and clank future: A Crack in time
infamous
Metal Gear Solid 4
Killzone 2

on your xbox 360?

more games does not mean better games.
i'll give you uncharted 2 and infamous, i plan on playing those, THANK GOD i can't play the rest of that crap on 360......killzone2 was all eye candy
 
cause the average consumer wouldn't actually care. they just want to play games and watch movies. Cell is still making it's rounds, just not as much hype behind it....yet.

I personally think that they original 60gb PS3 is the single greatest console ever made. It truly has the biggest catalog of games thanks to its Emotion Engine. It played EVERY ps2 game I tried flawlessly. The 80gb...not so much, due to the ps2 emulation software.
come on now if the average consumer didn't we wouldn't have the core i7 architecture now, if the cell cpu was cheap enuff to be added to the ps3 I'm sure they could of marketed a version for us consumers
 
come on now if the average consumer didn't we wouldn't have the core i7 architecture now, if the cell cpu was cheap enuff to be added to the ps3 I'm sure they could of marketed a version for us consumers

Gonna have to speak to the Federal Trade Commission about that one. Intel's got a big ass Antitrust suit pending against them in the US in addition to the one they just settled in Europe. They've got so much market cornered, it's hard to push your product. To my understanding, IBM didn't want to manufacture the processor, but rather sell the rights to a manufacturer (AMD??) I fully expect to see it mass produced though
 
Fuck xbox, I just copped a 40 gig pre owned ps3 for 220 with an extra controller and hdmi cable :lol:
 
Last edited:
Back
Top