Steve Harvey actually speaking the truth..

its not less bad its just less exposed. and name a top ten j-pop song thats popular in the states?

Again, so you're saying it's somehow less "bad" that less people hear Japanese people rhyming/singing "badly" about women?

It doesn't matter whether these Japanese artists are popular in the states or not. Did you hear what Steve Harvey said? He said WE (meaning black people) are the only race of people who degrade our women in music. I was saying, to keep things accurate, that isn't true at all. I used Japan as an example, but certainly it's not limited to them (a more obvious example would be white people, but I figured that was a given).
 
:yes::yes::yes: C/S I have to say he said a good rant.

It's all bullshit Steve Harvey is out to secure his wealth and in our capitalistic society there is nothing wrong with getting your paper
using what ever talents necessary.

But all shit that sound good ain't good and that nigga is just playing
on Black Folks fears and concerns to make points that are pointless
thus just anotha self promoting brotha on the scapegoated backs of
the so called african american community.:(

Then he hits the homerun with taking the blame for it all..:hmm:

GTFOH with that bullshit!:smh::smh::smh:

So many black folks eat this shit right up:smh::smh::smh:

I'm not hating on Steve even tho' I'm very critical....

I like his hustle but I'm just not with all this black folks need to do this
and black folks need to stop doing that talk from folks who live in multimillion dollar homes;). (Cosby):hmm:

what his point was that because black men for the last 2-3 decades haven't been actively in the lives of the children they have the result is this rebellion against how we've related to women in the past. Which was more on the smooth tip rather than the fuck you bitch tip..

now how is that point not true?
 
Again, so you're saying it's somehow less "bad" that less people hear Japanese people rhyming/singing "badly" about women?

It doesn't matter whether these Japanese artists are popular in the states or not. Did you hear what Steve Harvey said? He said WE (meaning black people) are the only race of people who degrade our women in music. I was saying, to keep things accurate, that isn't true at all. I used Japan as an example, but certainly it's not limited to them (a more obvious example would be white people, but I figured that was a given).

your right in that we aren't the only people. but we ARE the most prominent today. And yes in rock and particularly metal is degradation of women and misogyny but metal isn't the most popular prominent music today..

Steve is basically riffing off of the fact that hip hop is the most prominent popular music today and ha been for about 15 years. And as such puts us in the spotlight.
 
what his point was that because black men for the last 2-3 decades haven't been actively in the lives of the children they have the result is this rebellion against how we've related to women in the past. Which was more on the smooth tip rather than the fuck you bitch tip..

now how is that point not true?


It's stereo typical not true.

It may be a overall perception by some but then it would discount all
the brothas who've been doing their part and doing well.

his words imply absolutism which is not the case, as well as
racial exclusivity to the problem which is also not tru.

...but I do understand where he is coming from, still think he's just
self promoting tho'
 
your right in that we aren't the only people. but we ARE the most prominent today. And yes in rock and particularly metal is degradation of women and misogyny but metal isn't the most popular prominent music today..

Steve is basically riffing off of the fact that hip hop is the most prominent popular music today and ha been for about 15 years. And as such puts us in the spotlight.

His wording really throws us (meaning black people) under the bus unnecessarily. You have to admit my brother, it's extreme wording to say "we are the only race of people etc." Steve Harvey comes across are a fairly intelligent man, so careless wording like that doesn't feel accidental. It comes across like he really means it that way.

He is spotlighting hip-hop, which nowadays has a makeup that includes people from all over the world, and of all shades. It's not the 80s anymore, so it's really inaccurate to start drawing lines between hip-hop problems = black problems. Once we start talking origins then yeah....jazz,reggae,rock,hip-hop,etc = black people. But if we're talking about PROBLEMS (in which all races of people are associated with), then it's grossly inaccurate how he worded that part of his otherwise excellent commentary.
 
he's also in his 50s..trying to attract women in his age group not some 20 year old chickenhead..

So you are saying not trimming your stash normally and letting it grow way out attracts women. Fuck out of here!:lol:
Negro you better recognize who you are talking to, I aint some old non getting pussy chump ass ninja who you can pop that stupid ass oki-doke shit to, and not say nothing back!
Not saying I am all of that, I'm a regular dude, but don'g get shit twisted, I gets no problem getting women (not chicken heads) and I don't have look like Groucho Marx, pulling them!
 
I agree to a point....

But if women didn't respond to that "Thug" bullshit....men wouldn't do it....

Black men evolved to what works on black women, its not a case of failed training. The United States government decided to pay women to dismantle families so Black women are no longer looking for a father figure for a mate.
 

So you are saying not trimming your stash normally and letting it grow way out attracts women. Fuck out of here!:lol:

in college we called it "the grandpa mustache"


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"i aint NEVA heard no woman givin' no man no lovin' cause his mustache was big"
 
if your thirsty but all you have is dirty water to drink...

if you've grown up eating garbage do you think you recognise or appreciate a healthy meal if one is presented to you?
That's like saying "the white man put crack in your community so we gotta smoke it...they gave us guns so we gotta kill each other"

Excuses...

Weather we admit it or not, women dictate how we act....

if they like pretty boys, we get S-curls...
if they like thugs, we sag...
if they won't talk to a broke nigga...we sell drugs...

But I respect your opinion...
1Love
 
you people are easily impressed. 1st of all i don't agree with him. he says we act hard, instead of cool. well women made it clear that they want thugs, and roughnecks, and soldiers etc. men are just trying to keep up with the latest bullshit trends that women find attractive.

next..... as far as blacks being the only race who degrade their women.....nigga please! men have nothing to do with women degrading themselves. look at bgol. look at all these whores who are posting nude and semi nude pics of themselves. are us men to blame for that? look at how every single attractive black girl in america is now some internet model dancing like a fool stripping etc like moustacy, montana, vicky6, and the other 5000 bitches posted here on the regular. i'm tired of niggas blaming men for these whores free willing behavior.

women degrade themselves voluntarily for money. thats why they strip, escort, etc. do you think rappers and rap video producers coerce bitches to dance around half naked in a video?> c'mon son..... they go to the strip club, and find most of these whores.

steve harvey is trying to sound very agreeable to sell books. obviously it's working. all you niggas are co-signing his bullshit. smh.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

I'm the last person to defend Steve Harvey but credit him at least for being right more in his statement than wrong.

To your comments, women and their behavior isn't the issue Harvey was discussing. Our behavior towards our woman and what popular culture has promoted as the vision of ideal man and woman is more to his point. These images influence and the lack of contrasting images send a strong message.
 
and whats your nickname here ROADRAGE...Thats hard..cool..

you are EXACTLY who he's talking about:hmm:

here's another one..laffing big..look at his AV..thats hard..not cool..

steve hit the nail on the head here today folks..:smh:

if your thirsty but all you have is dirty water to drink...

if you've grown up eating garbage do you think you recognise or appreciate a healthy meal if one is presented to you?







:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:
 
It's stereo typical not true.

It may be a overall perception by some but then it would discount all
the brothas who've been doing their part and doing well.

his words imply absolutism which is not the case, as well as
racial exclusivity to the problem which is also not tru.

...but I do understand where he is coming from, still think he's just
self promoting tho'


His wording really throws us (meaning black people) under the bus unnecessarily. You have to admit my brother, it's extreme wording to say "we are the only race of people etc." Steve Harvey comes across are a fairly intelligent man, so careless wording like that doesn't feel accidental. It comes across like he really means it that way.

He is spotlighting hip-hop, which nowadays has a makeup that includes people from all over the world, and of all shades. It's not the 80s anymore, so it's really inaccurate to start drawing lines between hip-hop problems = black problems. Once we start talking origins then yeah....jazz,reggae,rock,hip-hop,etc = black people. But if we're talking about PROBLEMS (in which all races of people are associated with), then it's grossly inaccurate how he worded that part of his otherwise excellent commentary.


TO DASMYBIKEPUNK & DELTRONZ:

Yes Steve's wording was extreme and if you guys debated him on the syntax of his argument then he would probably would concede that his shouldn't have said ONLY.. But his main point still stands. Our music and pop culture and even our sense of "cool" has been popular for a long time WORLD WIDE and as such puts us front and center. Deltronz..the asian chick you have in your sig proves his point..She is dancing to black music dressed in a manner that black women dress dancing in manner than black women dance. She is imitating US..What we do and how we treat each other is how they see us for better or worse. In his opinion its for the worst.


So you are saying not trimming your stash normally and letting it grow way out attracts women. Fuck out of here!:lol:
Negro you better recognize who you are talking to, I aint some old non getting pussy chump ass ninja who you can pop that stupid ass oki-doke shit to, and not say nothing back!
Not saying I am all of that, I'm a regular dude, but don'g get shit twisted, I gets no problem getting women (not chicken heads) and I don't have look like Groucho Marx, pulling them!

are you a 55 year old man..yes or no? (no need to expound just yes or no)

And his mustache is manicured..its just thick. For all the steve harvey criticism when have you ever seen him look bummy or unkempt?
 
That's like saying "the white man put crack in your community so we gotta smoke it...they gave us guns so we gotta kill each other"

Excuses...
well..the white man DID put crack in our neighborhood and what did we do??
He DID put guns in the black neighborhood and what did we do??

we made bad choices..the question is why did we make them?

Weather we admit it or not, women dictate how we act....

if they like pretty boys, we get S-curls...
if they like thugs, we sag...
if they won't talk to a broke nigga...we sell drugs...

But I respect your opinion...
1Love
which came first the chicken or the egg?

did women say to men "I think it's be sexy if you pulled your pants down around your ass" and dudes started sagging or did dudes sag first and women grew to see it as attractive?
 
Some of yall kill me with the hate on this guy as if he's just now started talking about all of this. Steve Harvey is the same dude that was talking about this yeeeeeeaaars before he even thought about writing a book. Steve Harvey has done more work in Los Angeles' lower class communities than any other celebrity that I know of. This is a guy who reached out, live, on-air, to a rival radio station, to ask for assistance in what he was trying to do with the communities. This is the same guy that used his own money buy books for the LAUSD school district. This is the same person that started a foundation that helped kids go to college. This is yeeearrrs before he thought about writing a book. This is a person that puts his money where is mouth is. Not only that, he was active and DOING what he says he's going to do. Now, some of yall may hate a bit, understandable. Maybe because he's talking about you. I've witnessed what this guy has done with my own eyes and for that, I will always respect dude. This guy stands up and tells you what you need to hear and does what he says he's going to do.
 
you people are easily impressed. 1st of all i don't agree with him. he says we act hard, instead of cool. well women made it clear that they want thugs, and roughnecks, and soldiers etc. men are just trying to keep up with the latest bullshit trends that women find attractive.

next..... as far as blacks being the only race who degrade their women.....nigga please! men have nothing to do with women degrading themselves. look at bgol. look at all these whores who are posting nude and semi nude pics of themselves. are us men to blame for that? look at how every single attractive black girl in america is now some internet model dancing like a fool stripping etc like moustacy, montana, vicky6, and the other 5000 bitches posted here on the regular. i'm tired of niggas blaming men for these whores free willing behavior.

women degrade themselves voluntarily for money. thats why they strip, escort, etc. do you think rappers and rap video producers coerce bitches to dance around half naked in a video?> c'mon son..... they go to the strip club, and find most of these whores.

steve harvey is trying to sound very agreeable to sell books. obviously it's working. all you niggas are co-signing his bullshit. smh.

......................
 
Deltronz..the asian chick you have in your sig proves his point..She is dancing to black music dressed in a manner that black women dress dancing in manner than black women dance. She is imitating US..What we do and how we treat each other is how they see us for better or worse. In his opinion its for the worst.

Actually, it proves MY point, that this culture (in the Japanese dancer's case, reggae culture, but you see what I'm saying) is WORLDWIDE. Women of ALL RACES dance to reggae music, for example. No one is debating origins of a type of music, we're debating who is doing what to whom. Blacks, Whites, Asians, whomever do as they do as individuals. If an American who loves tempura, practices karate, and is fluent in Japanese kills a woman with a Japanese sword, is it that he imitated Japanese culture in doing so? Is that the issue then, Japanese culture? No, it's him being a murderer.

The extreme that Harvey said was careless, and detracts from his other very good points.

You can't point fingers at a culture once it's worldwide, such as hip-hop. Even within hip-hop there are sub-cultures. If the issue, in this case, is music that degrades women is wrong, then focus on that. I refuse, for example, to start pointing fingers at Ike Turner for what some dumbass emo rocker is doing. Sure, Ike Turner (by man accounts) was the first person to do music acknowledged as rock, but you can't start pointing fingers at him and other black pioneers who started it for all the wrong that has come of it.
 
He had a point with the dudes dressing.

Props to a majority of what he was saying. Real talk for a good 90% of it, but he was off when he said we (meaning black people) were the only race of people to degrade our women in music. Completely untrue. In fact (SURPRISE SURPRISE) it happens in Japanese music and in other countries.

Just keeping it accurate.

True it happens in other cultures, but not to the same magnitude that it does in the African American culture. From BET to Worldstarhiphop and back, this shit is really out of hand.:smh: When's the last time you seen a japanese site that of the equivalent to Worldstar? something that exploited their buffoonery to that extent. And to top it off, I don't see other races embracing their buffoonery as it is within our culture.
 
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:dunno: he spit some real shit but at the end of them day those cats are dressing for women, they aren't smashing and laying up with each other

that's cause women have no choice. if young dudes everywhere decided the new fashion was brown burlap bags with a cut at the bottom to put their heads through and slits on the sides for their arms, then get a sneaker shoelace to tie up the waste, all young mutha fukas would start wearing um. dudes wearin giant sheit that look like this;

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hundreds of thousands of young dudes wearin that sheit everywhere. so if you a young girl and you seein this, you know it's whack, but you are not lesbian so you have no choice but to date a dude wearing a giant brown burlap bag around his entire body. these dudes are definitely dressing for their homeboys these days
 
you people are easily impressed. 1st of all i don't agree with him. he says we act hard, instead of cool. well women made it clear that they want thugs, and roughnecks, and soldiers etc. men are just trying to keep up with the latest bullshit trends that women find attractive.

next..... as far as blacks being the only race who degrade their women.....nigga please! men have nothing to do with women degrading themselves. look at bgol. look at all these whores who are posting nude and semi nude pics of themselves. are us men to blame for that? look at how every single attractive black girl in america is now some internet model dancing like a fool stripping etc like moustacy, montana, vicky6, and the other 5000 bitches posted here on the regular. i'm tired of niggas blaming men for these whores free willing behavior.

women degrade themselves voluntarily for money. thats why they strip, escort, etc. do you think rappers and rap video producers coerce bitches to dance around half naked in a video?> c'mon son..... they go to the strip club, and find most of these whores.

steve harvey is trying to sound very agreeable to sell books. obviously it's working. all you niggas are co-signing his bullshit. smh.

the noob got a point..

now quit bullshittin and donate,
so u can continue to drop some more jewels for the brothas.. :hmm:
 
Actually, it proves MY point, that this culture (in the Japanese dancer's case, reggae culture, but you see what I'm saying) is WORLDWIDE. Women of ALL RACES dance to reggae music, for example. No one is debating origins of a type of music, we're debating who is doing what to whom. Blacks, Whites, Asians, whomever do as they do as individuals. If an American who loves tempura, practices karate, and is fluent in Japanese kills a woman with a Japanese sword, is it that he imitated Japanese culture in doing so? Is that the issue then, Japanese culture? No, it's him being a murderer.

The extreme that Harvey said was careless, and detracts from his other very good points.

You can't point fingers at a culture once it's worldwide, such as hip-hop. Even within hip-hop there are sub-cultures. If the issue, in this case, is music that degrades women is wrong, then focus on that. I refuse, for example, to start pointing fingers at Ike Turner for what some dumbass emo rocker is doing. Sure, Ike Turner (by man accounts) was the first person to do music acknowledged as rock, but you can't start pointing fingers at him and other black pioneers who started it for all the wrong that has come of it.

anime..particularly hentai is worldwide..tentacle rape, demon rape and bondage S/M..this says something about japanese culture. And what japanese men think of how women should be treated. I think it when I see it..I'd guess a lot of people do as well. Doesn't stop its popularity tho.

Now I'm pretty sure you can find a japanese steve harvey who is horrified at that genre of animation and feels that ONLY japanese men display such blatant violent disrespect of their women..
 
Ive given Steve hell before but he is right..

and as far as style and cool goes Ive been saying the same thing and you know its bad when females are forced to buy Jordans just to get a compliment from guys.

man I'm the living embodiment of this. I NEVER try to play the hard game. Its silly. I don't have time to be mean mugging every kat I see on the block. I actually know how to dance and will as a woman to dance at a party. I actually like wearing slacks and a dress shirt to functions. I actually smile and crack a joke when around women. Man I had a woman tell me she wanted to hook me up with ALL of her friends only because I'm intelligent and can hold a conversation.

Some of yall front there there is a reason that comedians get mountains of pussy. Its not just being funny...its being CHARMING.
 
So what did the women forget to teach the girls in my generation?

Because he wasn't entirely right when he said men are dressing for other men....well i dont know i dont.

But women love that shit. They want "tupac with a ph.d"
 
He had a point with the dudes dressing.



True it happens in other cultures, but not to the same magnitude that it does in the African American culture. From BET to Worldstarhiphop and back, this shit is really out of hand.:smh: When's the last time you seen a japanese site that of the equivalent to Worldstar? something that exploited their buffoonery to that extent. And to top it off, I don't see other races embracing their buffoonery as it is within our culture.

There are sites that exist that showcase Japanese buffoonery on the internet, but they're all in Japanese. So if I follow your logic, since there are more English speakers in the world than Japanese ones, is there buffoonery any less bad? I would argue no.

And again, there has to be a point when you see people of so many races embracing a common hobby, behavior, etc that you must say, "You know what, this is a PEOPLE issue since so many people of different shades/gender are doing the same thing."

Not to get too sidetracked though, because I did agree with an overwhelming majority of what Harvey said. Just the "only race that..." part is so sharply inaccurate that it needed to be pointed out.
 
Yea he's right but he didn't offer a solution.

First you have to recognize the problem

I agree to a point....

But if women didn't respond to that "Thug" bullshit....men wouldn't do it....

Ive never met a woman who enjoyed the thug culture. Not one. Stop confusing women with over the age of 18 hoodrats

you people are easily impressed. 1st of all i don't agree with him. he says we act hard, instead of cool. well women made it clear that they want thugs, and roughnecks, and soldiers etc. men are just trying to keep up with the latest bullshit trends that women find attractive.

next..... as far as blacks being the only race who degrade their women.....nigga please! men have nothing to do with women degrading themselves. look at bgol. look at all these whores who are posting nude and semi nude pics of themselves. are us men to blame for that? look at how every single attractive black girl in america is now some internet model dancing like a fool stripping etc like moustacy, montana, vicky6, and the other 5000 bitches posted here on the regular. i'm tired of niggas blaming men for these whores free willing behavior.

women degrade themselves voluntarily for money. thats why they strip, escort, etc. do you think rappers and rap video producers coerce bitches to dance around half naked in a video?> c'mon son..... they go to the strip club, and find most of these whores.

steve harvey is trying to sound very agreeable to sell books. obviously it's working. all you niggas are co-signing his bullshit. smh.

another brother who doesnt and cannot distinguish the difference between a hoodrat and a woman. Sometimes hoodrats disguise it well, but its your job to uncover it. The signs are always there. If a woman is exploiting herself for profit, then this isnt the woman Steve is discussing. She's either a hoodrat or a whore, probably the combination of both. Its really that simple.

So what did the women forget to teach the girls in my generation?

Because he wasn't entirely right when he said men are dressing for other men....well i dont know i dont.

But women love that shit. They want "tupac with a ph.d"

This is a childish statement. Johnny threw the pencil, so I threw it back. As a man, you do your part and the rest shall fall into place. First step is to learn how to become a man. Step 2 is to teach other lost brothers how to become men. Finally, you let the sisters work out there own issues for themselves. If we all looked in the mirror and stop placing blame on eachother, maybe we could fix some shit in our communities.
 
that's cause women have no choice. if young dudes everywhere decided the new fashion was brown burlap bags with a cut at the bottom to put their heads through and slits on the sides for their arms, then get a sneaker shoelace to tie up the waste, all young mutha fukas would start wearing um. dudes wearin giant sheit that look like this;

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hundreds of thousands of young dudes wearin that sheit everywhere. so if you a young girl and you seein this, you know it's whack, but you are not lesbian so you have no choice but to date a dude wearing a giant brown burlap bag around his entire body. these dudes are definitely dressing for their homeboys these days

whaaaatttt? thats a ridiculous argument, you can't be serious, since when did men start setting the standards for what women like? would you also make the same assertion that men like half naked women in the club letting it all hang out because we have no choice? :rolleyes: you may have subscribed to the steve harvey one-sided theory, but it just doesn't make sense
 
you people are easily impressed. 1st of all i don't agree with him. he says we act hard, instead of cool. well women made it clear that they want thugs, and roughnecks, and soldiers etc. men are just trying to keep up with the latest bullshit trends that women find attractive.

next..... as far as blacks being the only race who degrade their women.....nigga please! men have nothing to do with women degrading themselves. look at bgol. look at all these whores who are posting nude and semi nude pics of themselves. are us men to blame for that? look at how every single attractive black girl in america is now some internet model dancing like a fool stripping etc like moustacy, montana, vicky6, and the other 5000 bitches posted here on the regular. i'm tired of niggas blaming men for these whores free willing behavior.

women degrade themselves voluntarily for money. thats why they strip, escort, etc. do you think rappers and rap video producers coerce bitches to dance around half naked in a video?> c'mon son..... they go to the strip club, and find most of these whores.

steve harvey is trying to sound very agreeable to sell books. obviously it's working. all you niggas are co-signing his bullshit. smh.

First off... Let me start by saying that I rarely ever agree with trial period members let alone acknowledge the existence of the bunch. Too many here today gon tomorrow's with that crowd.

With that said, you sir, are dead on with your assessment here. You can't serenade a woman nowadays, or treat her nice, or show her the brighter side of life no more... why?

Because NICE GUYS FINISH LAST, and no man in this place wanna finish last. Period.

A famous Sagittarius once said, "The Power of the PUSSY."

And that's the realest shit imaginable.
 
First off... Let me start by saying that I rarely ever agree with trial period members let alone acknowledge the existence of the bunch. Too many here today gon tomorrow's with that crowd.

With that said, you sir, are dead on with your assessment here. You can't serenade a woman nowadays, or treat her nice, or show her the brighter side of life no more... why?

Because NICE GUYS FINISH LAST, and no man in this place wanna finish last. Period.

A famous Sagittarius once said, "The Power of the PUSSY."

And that's the realest shit imaginable.

nice guys finish last is the dumbest simpish shit ive ever heard

usually its white boys who use this dumb rational

if youre a nice person, you dont change your persona to please someone

you dont act like something youre not

if a woman can appreciate you for who you are, you find one that will

the only dudes who finish last are the soft ass pushovers

and thats simply because they arent men

a woman, all women, want a man

someone who will take control, fuck them real good, and make them feel safe

if she is dominating you, she'll never feel secure
 
if a woman can appreciate you for who you are, you find one that will

"If" should not start this sentence.

a woman can appreciate you for who you are, you find one that will

In an ideal world...

a woman can appreciate you for what you can provide them.

Reality.

I'm not saying you're wrong bro, and in esssence, I agree with you. All i'm saying is that the majority of women walking this world, are not particularly interested in your depth, character, and moral fiber. They need providers. And soft pushovers, as you described, don't cut the mustard in that department.

Now whether most act it, (which i'm certain they do) or are strong providers, strictly depends on the person. But make no mistake, women can smell a nigga that has "take over" potential coming like a shark in bloody waters.

Don't forget, women compartmentalize better than any breed out there. It's what they do. It's their niche. That's why they multitask better than anybody. They've got the nigga that buys em shit, the nigga that fixes shit, the nigga that treats em well, (ultimate simp) and the nigga that pipes her the best.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, i'm just tellin you whas real. Most cats wanna play the last nigga, when they're really all 3 and not the last one.
 
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