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Shock and Awe The Direct of all direct game. I am charged and ready to try and succeed with this...just discovered it today. I am trying this shit tonight!

Shock and awe

First post being uploaded to the site. Brilliant article on Direct Game by someone I think is going to be one of the leading lights of the PU world pretty soon. Ciaran, who's just joined the RSD team. (He's written one of the best threesome PU's Ive ever read, and will try to put that up soon)

SHOCK AND AWE

There's a myth in this underground world we inhabit that if you sleep with a girl within minutes of meeting her, that's not solid game.

On the one hand, I agree.

If you fluke out once in a while and find some random chick who's just looking to get laid, that's not you - that's just luck.

Some guys will harp on about how great they are at getting girls because it happens to them once in a blue moon.

I speak from experience. I too was once a deluded chode.

HOWEVER.

What if it's not every once in a while?

What if you can pull chicks in minutes, consistently. And not munters (US translation: warpigs) mind. What if you can consistently pull stunning girls, rapidly?

Is that solid game?

In this article I will sketch out a detailed map of how to pull off "Fool's Mate" pickups with consistency and panache.

Are you sitting comfortably?

Then I'll begin.

The Best Natural I Ever Met

When I decided that I was going to get good with women, I was broke. I had no money, and I had no friends.

I'd gotten fired from my fancy job in the sandstone maze of London's Square Mile, and I was in debt. I moved to Edinburgh because I couldn't afford London rent, and I slept on my sister's couch until I found a job.

The job I found was bartending. It was good, easy work. After the nightmarish stress of the financial sector, it felt like heaven.

Besides, it also meant that I'd be talking to lots of girls.

That was good, but the real benefit I got from taking that job was a guy called Andy.

I thank God every day that my path crossed with Andy's.

Andy was amazing.

He was just jaw-dropping. He wasn't ugly, but he wasn't particularly good looking. He was an engineering student who worked in a bar.

I have never seen a man pull that well.

We became friends, and as I worked at approaching and approaching, I started to improve.

Ultimately though, it was Andy that made me great.

You see, I'd fucked around with 'indirect' game, but found it weak, pointless, unnatural. Direct game was different. Powerful, exciting, real. I found my results getting better and better.

But I was nothing compared to Andy.

You see, Andy didn't date. Ever. He didn't date, he didn't buy girls drinks, he didn't call them, he NEVER took phone numbers.

At the age of 21, he'd already slept with over 150 women.

Engineering student.

Bartender.

Andy's Secret - Reverse Engineered

One day I asked him a question. I'd just gotten tested in a massive way by this hot Swedish chick, and completely crashed out.

I ran the test by Andy. It was this:

"You just want to bang me, don't you?"

I offered several responses - Play it hard to get. Play it cocky. Play it sweet.

Andy just laughed at me. Then he said this: "You know what I'd have said? I'd have said - heck yeah. I'll bang you in every hole you've got."

He said it with a beaming grin on his face, laughing as he said it. Not joking as he said it, mind - that's important. Laughing, but not joking.

I thought about this for a time, then I began to use it. Not his line, but his attitude.

Amazingly, it worked. Even while I was testing this shit out, I'd rarely get blown out. And my results skyrocketed.

Toward the end of my singledom, before I met my beautiful girlfriend, I would walk out of the house alone, walk into the first busy bar I saw, walk up to the hottest chick in the room,
pull her, take her home and fuck her.

I would do this consistently, without getting blown out. One approach per night. 100% success.

Believe me or don't, I don't care. It is true. I used to do it to show off to all my friends.

In the end, even Andy couldn't match me.

What I am about to tell you is real. For all intents and purposes gentlemen, this is hot off the press.

Note: SHOCK and AWE is not high risk. It sounds like it is, but it's really not - and I'll explain why in a moment.

It's not even advanced. I'd call it intermediate. If you can open, and you can get attraction, and you can chill out and chat with a chick and not get weird - you can do this.

It is not a quick fix solution for hopeless newbies.

Sorry.

If you're having problems stringing a sentence together, if your body language sucks, if you have bad VOICE PROJECTION (this, as Jeffy points out, is crucial to all game) - this will not work.

However, if you're plateauing somewhere in the intermediate stages, (or if you just hate getting phone numbers like I do) this might be EXACTLY what you need.

Shock and Awe is, very simply, something I developed out of showing too much interest when I was closing a chick down so I could kiss her/grab her and leave/whatever.

I developed a very specific kind of statement of intent that covers your back socially while allowing you to come out with the most outrageous stuff - stuff that gets her very horny, very
fast.

I'd use principles from this to sex up the vibe of a conversation with a chick if it was getting dull. The point is though, you don't need to do that.

I realised that you can open with it. You can open, and then drop straight into a continual SOI loop and close a chick straight down very fast. It's a kind of vibe, you can feel when you've hit it because it's electric. You can just go ape from the outset and drive her crazy, then take her home.

Basically, being open about your desire and BLAMING THE CHICK for being hot is dynamite.

Toward the end of my pickup rampage I had developed a whole new kind of game around doing just this one thing.

I called it Shock and Awe, because it is shocking, awesome, and if you nail it you can pull a chick extremely quickly. It's mental. I love it. I stopped doing it for a while because it got
boring.

No, really.

The final thing to understand before we get to the nitty gritty of what to do is this:

You're stating your DESIRE.

This is a whole 'nuther level of important. There's not "I intend to sleep with you" or "I am interested in you". This is you talking about your DESIRE alone. That is all. How hot she is. How sexy she is. How awesome her body is.

Just pure sex, right from the outset. To map the basic structure of Shock and Awe it would be:

1) Approach with a statement of intent, then SOI stack, blaming her hotness for your actions.

Make sure they are creative and funky statements. Think of it like jazz. SOI jazz. Free form, just go for it. Say anything. It's not important. What is important is that you blame her for
being hot. Say something like "Excuse me, but what? What do you want? Do you want me to just walk on by? I mean, you're absolutely stunning. Do you want me to just pretend like that doesn't effect me? I mean, how? I'm just some guy. I can't turn it off. What are you trying to do to me, woman?" etc....

2) Always be escalating physically, always always always.

Blame her for the fact you can't keep your hands off her. Act like you're trying to keep your hands of her and you just can't.
Blame her more. Ask her why she's doing this to you. Physically fight your urge to touch her, and make this conflict OBVIOUS. You are a wild animal STRAINING against a tight leash. You're in control... but BARELY.

Don't fake this. Really get into this headspace. Ozzie's recent post on the Wild Man is EXACTLY what you need to do here.

3) Express desire, do this relentlessly and blame her for it.

Tell her you deserve a gold star for effort for not jumping all over her. Keep it funny, but make sure the vibe is highly erotic.
Remember - LAUGHING, NOT JOKING. Tell her that if she doesn't stop being hot you're not going be held responsible. Tell her to eat a load of pies, and gain 5 stone so you can connect with her personality without wanting to tear all her clothes off.

4) If you push it too far, apologise for the disrespect and not the action.

Genuinely apologise. Really. Actually do this and FUCKING MEAN IT. But remember - ONLY apologise for the DISRESPECT. NEVER apologise for the ACTION. Then tell her you did it because she's really hot. Blame her for being hot. Tell her she should wear a
bag over her head so you can have a normal conversation with her.

5) Go to step 2.

You can basically do this until she breaks. It's great.

Just remember guys, use a condom.

Honest to God, have consistently pulled hot chicks with this. It's not infallible, but it's hilarious and it blows through all the crap.

This is also how you NEUTALIZE ALL RISK associated with being so extreme.

You just say something like "No - no, this is ridiculous. I'm going to find out who you are. You can't do this to me. I have depth. Tell me about yourself."

And then they do (either that or they demand to know who you are, but it's all in good fun) and boom, you're chatting. It acts like an explosive, funny, charming opener.

It's all about the vibe, about magnifying the vibe.

And the vibe is generated from the fact that she's so sexy she's breaking you down, but you're resisting. That's where the tension comes from.

How Important Is It To Blame HER For Your Extreme Actions?

This is the heart of it. You are talking direct, but you're blaming her hotness for your directness.

As such, it's like two different levels of compliment, both of which are highly unusual and extremely difficult to resist.

You're basically telling her it's totally out of character for you to behave like this and you're fighting it, but you're really, really struggling.

This isn't an academic issue. This frame is how you avoid 'antislut defense' when going for a Fool's Mate. The frame is, she is breaking down your resolve with her hotness. This is
massive. Why?

Because it defuses so many negative things.

First off, her ASD can't really kick in. Why not? Because she's not doing anything, and neither are you. You're just complimenting her. No girl is going to walk away from someone
just because he says she's hot, not unless she's a nutter.

Secondly, it's a female fantasy. She's the femme fatale, destroying your resistance. The more fight you put up, the more resistance to her you express, and the more you lose this battle, the more she feels sexy.

Don't You Need Zen-Master Levels Of Calibration?

No. You just have to be "not completely wack."

Look - fair enough, calibration is important, but calibration does not mean hesitation. You should be leading the encounter.
Lead it. It goes where you go. You're the man.

Won't This Break Too Many Social Rules?

That's WHY it works.

Yes - seriously.

The fact that you blame her means that she has to justify it as not being her fault.

But how can she do that? Is she going to say "I'm not that hot?"

No. She is a woman. She will, instead, love it.

It's a female fantasy, she's annihilating you with her looks alone. You're resisting but she's breaking you down.

They love it. Seriously, it's great.

Do I Have To Go For Broke Every Time I Use This?

No. You can drop out of it any time with the line I gave you earlier

Also, this doesn't have to be used as such a high-octane thing.

Try dropping a little of it in here and there. See what happens.
Learn to calibrate it. The vibe you want is half sexy mocking, half pure sex.

It is all about that vibe.

It's amazing how well this attitude defuses all the negative things about being really direct with girls.

And once you've defused them, boom - you can basically cut through all the tactics and just blast her with desire until she breaks.

What If I Run Out Of Things To Say?

A big part of this is about getting creative with your compliments. I don't want to give too many actual examples of stuff, mainly because the stuff you say doesn't have to be da
vinci.

This is NOT a routine-based method.

It is a direct method, a way of cultivating an attitude of non-weird, engaging, sexual expression. You can do it high octane and go for the Fool's Mate, or you can do it low-octane and just drop Shock and Awe SOI's in as and when in the context of chatting up a lovely young lady.

So If I Do This Will A Chick Just Jump Me?

If you do it right, very often she will, yes. HOWEVER - it's impossible to predict who will and who won't.

Depends on a million things. It can be very rapid, or it can take a while.

The beauty of this is that if it seems like she's not just in the mood to leap all over you, you can drop the S+A and just have a chat. Again, that line to segue into a more normal (though highly charged conversation is...

"no, you're not going to break me. I have depth. I'm going to get to know you properly, and there's nothing you can do about it. Tell me about yourself."

WOW! This Sounds Amazing! Finally! The Magic Pill!

Nope. It's not a magic pill. As I said, this will only work for guys who are already reasonably comfortable with approaching.

If you're looking at this thinking "Awesome - now I don't have to do all those tricky approaches" then you're heading for a fall.

This takes balls.

Ok?

You need to grow balls, and you can only do that by approaching lots and lots of chicks and becoming cool with approaching.

Understand?

It's not a technique as much as it is a mode of sexual expression. I mapped out the stages just to give you a feel of what to do, but I hope you guys can see that this isn't a
tactical thing. This is what happens when you say "bugger tactics" and just go for it.

I originally came out with this on a chick who was just ludicriously hot, amazing eyes, dress, legs, face, teeth, ears, nasal hair - the works. I was in an absolutely chipper mood,
nimbus aglow, just on top form.

I opened by telling her that it was ridiculous to expect me to just walk on by with her looking like that. She smiled, so I kept on saying the same kind of thing. Next thing I know she's kissing me.

What I'm saying is that this has to be genuine. Direct game, if not genuine, is seedy, manipulative weirdness.

S+A is a vibe. It is a route of expression.

The inner game stuff, the practise - all that jazz, is the iceberg. This is the tip.

This is not a short cut.

It's just not a massive detour, which a lot of highly tactical systems are. I'm certain that if you've never done anything like this before it is scary, so just understand that there are
several elements to this that go on behind the scenes.

One is your general abilities of self-expression and creative speech. This is something that Jeffy explains brilliantly, so read his stuff, copy it, buy the Jeffy Show and watch it
constantly. The other big part of it is sexual expression, for which I'd also recommend The Jeffy Show, Foundations or Transformations (Ozzie is really bang on here, as is Tim).

Closing Statements

Shock and Awe is the pinnacle of direct game as I practice it.

No nonsense, no tactics, just straight in there, make a girl feel really sexy, have great fun with her, be cool, go back to your/her place and do the hunka-chunka. Problem solved.

This isn't about tricking girls into stuff, or playing them. If you try that, you'll fail, and I will personally batter you senseless with your own shoes.

This is about refusing to be a leaf in the hurricane.

This is about being the hurricane, gentlemen.

Be the hurricane.
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SHOCK and AWE: The Apocalypse Opener
by Jekyll

Dr Jekyll tells us one killer line that expresses the right attitude to take when attracting women.

Chat up lines don't work. That's the main problem with them.

I mean, we all know this. If there was a simple line you could just spiel out and get a girl, the community wouldn't be as big as it is.

The fact is, getting a girl isn't really about what you say. It's about what you DEMONSTRATE and what you PROJECT.

HOWEVER...

What if there WAS a chat up line that did work? What if there was a chat up line that led to an instant makeout? What then?

IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
What I am about to share with you is some potent fucking shit.

Do you understand?

Good.

When I showed this to Jeffy, he took one look at it, then nodded, and said "That's some potent fucking shit."

My point is this.

If you cannot handle doing Shock and Awe, you are not ready for this shit yet.

This is NOT a magic pill.

If you are a broken fucking value taking Gollum-like chode who wants to 'get one over' on women and life, who wants to seek petty vengeance for the myriad grudges that you nurse on a daily basis to justify the uselessness of your pathetic existence... this will not work.

How do I know this?

Because I've been that chode.

Get your inner game sorted.

I recommend the work of Eckhart Tolle.

So with no further ado, gents, here we go. I hope you're sitting comfortably.

THE BEST CHAT UP LINE I EVER HEARD
About 18 months ago I was in the smoking area of a pub on Edinburgh's Royal Mile. It's very picturesque. There's a castle and everything. Anyway, this time I'm out with just ONE girl. She's a good friend of mine, and for matters of convenience and privacy, we shall call her Susan.

So me and Susan are chatting away, and the subject wanders on to chat-up lines. I asked her what the worst chat-up line she ever heard was and she gave me some chodely horror-story of unimaginable lameness.

Then I asked her

"So... what's the best chat up line you've ever heard?"

Susan considered this for a while, and then said this:

"Ok, this one guy had a great one a while back. It worked on me."

"What do you mean, it worked on you?"

"It worked. I banged him."

"Nice. You're very ladylike."

Susan smiled politely.

"So what was it?" I asked.

THE APOCALYPSE OPENER...
"Well," she said, "it goes like this...

What she then told me made me literally choke on my beer. It was genius. I will never know who this man is, but whoever he is he deserves a prize. A big, shiny Nobel prize.

Here it is, lads:

You rock up to a chick and, in a confident, level voice you say

"Hey, how's it going."

She will say

"Fine."

You then say

"Cool. What are you doing later?"

She will say

"I'm not sure."

You then say

"Do you want to come home with me?"

Then you hold.

Hold.

HOLD....................

HOLD IT MY SON..........................

HOLD THE FUCKING LINE..................

Boom. Makeout.

And that's the Apocalypse opener. You don't 'build rapport.' You don't 'elicit values.' You don't 'kino escalate.' You don't even ask her fucking NAME. You ask if she wants to sleep with you in the THIRD SENTENCE, hold the line, and reap the whirlwind.

CIARAN, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME
Nope. It is and remains the most amazingly powerful chat up line I've ever seen in my life. I realise that you're all just shaking your heads with a million problems that you can see with doing this, so let's go through this step-by-step.

DOES IT WORK?
Well, let me tell you a story.

After hearing this, I resolved to give it a go. I went out to a bar that night, and walked about the place.

Now, at this point I wasn't by any means a Jedi, but I wasn't shit. I could consistently open, I could flirt, I could get the occasional makeout. What I'm saying is that I'd gotten to a point where I could approach without that much anxiety.

Dude, I was shitting my pants. Mother of God, man. Looking at all these beautiful women, just the thought of going up to one of them and coming OUT with this shit was terrifying. I sank pint after pint of booze. I walked around some more. I drank more booze. I lurked in the corner for a while. I was still shitting my pants without a SINGLE approach when the bouncers started herding people out the door.

Fuck. I'd missed my chance.

No. No, no, no. No way. Not me. Not now. I was going to do this. If I crashed out, if I messed up, whatever - I'd take the pain. I was going to say this. Honestly, it felt like my VERY FIRST APPROACH all over again. I was really, really scared.

I walked out of the bar into the milling crowd. Fuck it. I'm going to do this. Someone. Anyone.

And there she was. Delicate, like a fairy almost. Red hair, really rich and deep red, and a quirky dress that melted my heart.

Fuck.

Fuckitty fuck fuck. We're going in.

Ok, Ciaran. Concentrate on getting the first line out. That's not so bad.

"Hey" I blurt.

"Hey." She's even prettier close up. DO IT, CIARAN. DO IT!!

"How's it going?"

"Not bad."

"What are you up to later?"

"Not sure."

DO IT MAN!! EYE OF THE TIGER!!

"Do you want to come home with me?

She looks at me. She's gauging. I've never felt attention this intense. It's like a laserbeam scorching me for any signs of incongruence. Luckily enough, she's hot, so there aren't any. The urge to say something, to break the tension is PALPABLE. I CLAMP my jaw tight shut to silence myself.

She sways backward, stunned. Then she jumps me. Physically lunges forward and puts her tongue in my mouth.

BAM.

Incidentally, there was a guy there - a very strong natural - who had been hitting on her all evening, and had got her to agree to come back to his (I found this all out later). Didn't matter. Blew him the fuck away with this ONE SENTENCE.

This girl wasn't a slut. She wasn't a freak. She was a cool, normal chick.

She was hot too. Really hot.

Nice.

TREMBLE BEFORE THE COMING APOCALYPSE
So why does this work? Is it magic?

Well actually, there's no magic here. It's all really simple, and rests on EXACTLY the reason I gave at the start of the article for why chat-up lines don't work.

It's not about what you say.

It's about what you DEMONSTRATE and what you PROJECT.

Let's go back to that sunny afternoon on Edinburgh. I'm in the smoking area, talking to Susan.

So anyway, I finish choking on my beer.

"What? He said what?"

"Do you want to come home with me."

And what did you do?

"Well, I didn't jump him straight away, but I was just really impressed that he had the balls to come out with something like that."

"Yeah. Wow, that certainly is an impressive introduction."

"Damn straight. After that all he needed to do was just maybe buy me a drink or something and I was his."

"Cool."

"Yup."

So let's look at this, straight from the horses' mouth. So to speak.

She was REALLY IMPRESSED that he had the BALLS to COME OUT with something like that.

REALLY IMPRESSED
The power of this opener is massive. It lies in the fact that it is HONEST. It is genuine to the turbo-max.

All of my 'game' is based around this principal. Be genuine, but be genuine times 1000. Don't just 'be yourself', fucking BE yourself. Be yourself to the motherfucking HILT.

Do you understand?

She will NEVER HAVE HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.

If you do this, a girl will be really impressed that you DEMONSTRATE the courage to say this. And believe me, you cannot fake it. This shit takes balls.

BALLS
I'm not going to lie to you. It is SCARY doing the Apocalypse Opener.

But that's good. That's WHY it works.

Because it is genuinely scary, it is INCREDIBLY impressive. But you need the balls to come out with it.

COME OUT WITH IT
At the same time, your delivery itself - and here's the crazy thing - is actually NOT THAT IMPORTANT.

I know. Nuts.

The truth is, the first time I said this I was SCARED. Really, really scared.

It still worked.

It's so powerful. You don't need to be amazing, and you don't need the inner game of the Fonz to attempt this. I didn't have much inner game at all when I started reeling it out.

All you need to do is NOT CRUMBLE.

That is all. Just come out with it, then don't crumble.

THE KEY TO MAKING IT WORK
The key to making it work is not how you say it, but what you do in the 30 seconds after it's left your mouth.

Before I talk specifics, let's state the single CARDINAL SIN of the Apocalypse, which is the ONLY THING that can blow you out.

NEVER BE WEIRD
That's it. Don't be weird. You have to deliver the opener deadpan. Like you are talking about the WEATHER. You are not making a BIG THING of it. You're just ASKING.

You are not MOCKING. You are not JOKING. You are not TOO SERIOUS.

It is NOT PLAYFUL however - it is REAL.

You are REALLY ASKING HER.

If she says no - you only need ONE COMEBACK.

It is this:

"Ok."

Then you strike up a 'normal' conversation about the colour of the wallpaper, or the music that's playing, or the fact that you did your laundry earlier today.

Whatever.

HOW DO I KNOW IF IT'S WORKED?
You will know because you will see two things in that girl's eyes.

Shock, motherfucker. SHOCK and AWE.

If she looks shocked, you've got her. If she looks stunned, she's yours. If she takes it in her stride, she's the coolest cucumber in the world, and you should probably marry her. extremely fast.

WAIT, CIARAN! WHAT IF IT BACKFIRES?
It never backfires as long as you don't panic.

That's right - there is only ONE THING you must NOT DO while using the Apocalypse Opener...

And that is to lose your shit like a fucking pussy.

I know. Crazy. As long as you aren't weird, or creepy, it never backfires.

But REMEMBER.

You are not trying to PERSUADE HER TO SLEEP WITH YOU.

This is so UTTERLY CRUCIAL I am going to write it in red letters.

You are NOT trying to PERSUADE HER TO SLEEP WITH YOU.

You are just putting the OPTION in front of her. If she says no, you say 'ok' and talk about your nephew's new pet dog. Or whatever.

If you do this in a creepy or sleazy way, you will be shot down like a blind, 96-year old German who doesn't know the war's ended, doing a strafing run on a US Destroyer-Class Battleship in a Messerschmitt Me 262.

That is to say, extremely quickly.

So DO NOT ATTEMPT to ENTICE her into sleeping with you.

This is important NOT JUST in the vibe of the line itself (where, again, it is absolutely crucial). It is important in what comes after.

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. WHAT IF SHE DOESN'T JUMP ME?
She'll only jump you, in my experience, about 30-50% of the time.

Equally, this is a MASSIVE percentage for ONE LINE.

However, the other 50-70% of the time, she will not jump you. Not for at least 6 or 7 minutes.

This is FINE. Just chill out. She will be testing you for signs of neediness but remember - all you need to do is talk about the WEATHER.

You do not need to do anything else to ATTRACT her. That phase is OVER. She will be stunned by what you said. Now all you need to do, and I cannot OVERSTRESS this, is ACT NORMAL.

This is, incidentally, the only place where it is ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE for you to buy her a drink, for three reasons: 1: It shows you are normal 2: It acts a kind of 'token wooing' to sate her girly ego 3: It shows you are normal

Ok?

Just ACT NORMAL for the love of God. Talk about anything. She will be SUPER-INTO-YOU. She just wants to know you're not a serial killer before she takes you home.

I THINK THAT IT ONLY SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA FOR DRUNK CHICKS AT CLOSING TIME
Then you're a pussy.

I've opened girls on the street with it. Successfully. They don't normally jump you, but they do find it fun, cool and engagingly forward. And sometimes they jump you.

It works brilliantly in a bar or club, but you don't need to save it to the end of the evening unless you're looking for a good night out. After a while (I'm not kidding, this really happens) it gets kind of frustrating when you want a night out with your friends and you keep getting dragged off by chicks.

No, really.

Anyway, you can do this anywhere. You can open with it at the start of the night. You can open with it at the end of the night.

Incidentally, I have never had a bad reaction from a woman when doing this. Ever. Even if you accidentally slip into sleaze, she'll just walk off, but this rarely happens.

This one hooks like a motherfucker.

The other thing is this- if she walks off in shock, do not follow her. Let her go. She'll be back in about 15 seconds. Maximum 60.

DO YOU STARE AT HER AFTER YOU ASK?
You never stare. You look. Empty your mind, young grasshopper. Read the Power Of Now. You lock eyes with her. That is all - but then again I would argue that you lock eyes with her all the time. In fact, I would argue that you lock eyes with everyone you interact with in your entire life.

Just look at her. Calm. Level. Like your question is completely normal and in context. She will break.

IF SHE SAYS 'NO' AND I JUST STICK IN THERE, WILL SHE COME AROUND?
Yes.

In fact, it is awesome when she says no... because it gives you an opportunity to demonstrate a reality stronger than cobalt steel.

Here's what you do.

If she says no, you say "ok" in the same tone of voice as if you had offered her a prawn cocktail crisp and she had said "no thank you." Then you ask her what she thought of Pirates of the Caribbean 3 or something.

Or you talk about the burger you had for breakfast or what the weather was like last tuesday or what-fucking-ever.

In 10 minutes (tops) she'll be on your face.

SHOULD I DO THIS IN FRONT OF HER FRIENDS?
No.

You CANNOT do this if a girl is within earshot of her friends. If it's a club, you can do it with only a few feet of distance between her and her mates because of the loud noise.

The important thing is that she feels that it is a private exchange for EXACTLY the reason you think. If you do this in front of her mate she will look at you like you're scum and blow you out.

Amazingly, this never, ever happens, ever, if she is on her own.

Chicks.

Gotta love em.

WHAT IF I STARED AT HER BOOBS? WOULD THAT WORK?
No. Remember - this is COOL. You deliver this in the same tone as if you're asking about the weather. Not a throwaway line, mind...

Just a genuine, totally normal, direct question.

Boom, mofos.

SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOOD FOR ONE NIGHT STANDS... BUT YOU COULDN'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE OF THESE CHICKS, COULD YOU?
Of course you can. Stop asking stupid questions.

You can start a relationship off a purely sexual one night stand no problem.

As Tim once said - there's a time and a place for emotional connection.

After sex.

CAN I WAIT FOR A FEW MINUTES INTO THE CONVERSATION TO USE THE LINE?
NO.

It loses power and effectiveness rapidly the longer you wait to say it.

The power and impact of this derives from the fact that you are balls out opening with the option of sex.

You can say it later, of course - and she might not freak out. You may get a makeout, and it will increase attraction as long as you can hold your shit and cope with fallout - but if you do it later she also might just bolt.

If you're looking for an instant hook up, do this fast.

I THINK LOOKS WILL MATTER HERE. (JUST MY 2 CENTS)
Your two cents are worthless.

Dude, I'm not here to debate abstract concepts of female attraction and how they relate to looks.

I'm telling you that this works regardless of what you look like, because that is what I have seen, over and over again, with my own eyes.

Quasimodo could pull this off if he had big enough balls.

I don't care if you believe me. This works. I know because I've done it, I've seen others do it.

At no point have looks ever been even an incidental factor in the success of this line.

I have consistently pulled model hot chicks with this while looking like a tramp.

Anyone who thinks looks matter... even in the slightest... when it comes to being good with girls, is a fucking pussy ass chode. If you think differently, you are a chode, and your opinion is irrelevant.

Now sit in the corner, and think about what you've done.

FAIR ENOUGH, LOOKS DON'T MATTER. BUT I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH THE BELIEF THAT ANY SOBER GIRL WOULD FUCK A GUY ON THE SAME NIGHT SHE MEETS HIM.
Hahahahaha! Oh! AHAHAHA! OOOOOOH!

*pants*

OOOOOOOOHOHOHOHO!

AHAHAHAHA!

Ahahahaha.

Haha.

Hee.

Hoo.

Hnnnnnnnnng.

They will dude. Your beliefs are irrelevant. They will.

Oh yes.

They will.

Cool.

COOL! COULD I TAKE A CHICK OFF HER 'BOREFRIEND?'

Um... the 'borefriend' mentality is one I'd advise you to steer clear of. There are plenty of hot single chicks in the world.

Really - the idea that all hot chicks are boyfriending is a myth. It smack to me of scarcity also. Putting aside karmic retribution, there's a kind of natural justice to the affairs of men, and getting seriously into pulling chicks with partners can cause major problems if you ever meet a girl you really like.

Also, it feeds into a dark side of yourself (and not cool dark like Vader, but bad dark like Gollum) to indulge the desire to fuck girls with boyfriends.

Oh, and one last thing.

For the love of God, do NOT do the Apocalypse opener in front of a girl's boyfriend. This would be fucking stupid. Be aware. Ok?

OOOOO! A MAGIC LINE THAT WILL HAND ME GAME! I SHALL USE IT INSTANTLY!
Ok, I see what's happening here.

You're thinking 'I've got this opener/this new method and I can go out and use it to get laid.'

Very understandable.

Also, doomed to fail.

Now I'm not going to preach at you, even for an instant. I am not a moral man. The ONLY problem, from your point of view, with feeling the above, is that if you're in this headspace the opener won't work.

If you've got that kind of desperate, frantic 'I've just found the magic pill to fuck all women... sssssss... precious... I wantssss it...' vibe about you, she will throw a drink in your face.

S+A isn't a method, and the Apocalypse opener isn't a trick.

Both of them are ways to express what you ALREADY feel for a woman in a way that is hardcore direct and won't weird them out.

This is not about some 'sneaky way' to get laid fast. This is about giving you the ability to unashamedly express your desires as a man in a way that transcends social weirdness and creates massive amounts of hard attraction, fast.

This is the polar opposite of sneakiness. This is hyperhonesty.

GROUP APOCALYPSE
Rock up to two chicks and say exactly the same thing, with this interesting twist:

"Hey, how's it going."

They will say

"Fine."

You then say

"Cool. What are you doing later?"

They will say

"I'm not sure."

You then say

"What are the chances of you two coming back to mine for a threesome?"

Then you hold.

Hold.

HOLD....................

HOLD IT MY SON..........................

HOLD THE FUCKING LINE..................

Boom.

That 'Boom' incidentally, is the heart of the S+A system.

It's where you see it in a girl's eyes. Shock, and awe.

It is the most rewarding thing you'll ever see after years in the wasteland being ignored by women. Most men go their whole lives and never see it. It's amazing. After you've seen it a few times it changes you, changes your whole outlook on life. It's like something connects, deep inside you. Some long-lost circuit. After I'd done this a couple of times my whole voice changed, became more resonant. It was awesome.

So that, my friends, is the Apocalypse Opener. The only chat-up line I ever found that actually works. I've spoken about it at length, because I want to hammer home one point.

It works. It's not THAT hard to do. You DO NOT NEED to be amazing at this to pull this off. If you can blurt it out and hold your nerve, you can do this.

Now get out there, and nail this shit to the ground.

'Jealous girlfriend' my hairy white ass.

Peace out

Ciaran

Jekyll

http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/routines/shock-and-awe-the-apocalypse-opener.html
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There is a total of 63 interviews in here, I like these because it allows me to listen to other's experiences. It reinforces the mindset. Additionally, I pick up little tips here and there... e.g one of the tips came from a woman David D interviewed; she talks about how a a man snapping her braw created sexual tension. One thing I must warn with this though is the principle that things should not be over done. If you snap a woman's bra or smack her on the ass inorder to create sexual tension, you should act like its nothing and only do it once in the interaction, over doing it makes it looses it effect.


2003 - 05 - Marie / Ben Orion
2003 - 06 - David X
2003 - 07 - Greg
2003 - 08 - Sam
2003 - 09 - Robert
2003 - 10 - Tyler
2003 - 11 - Drew
2003 - 12 - Doc

2004 - 01 - Brian
2004 - 02 - Mike
2004 - 03 - 26 aka Extramask aka Barry Kirkey
2004 - 04 - Tari
2004 - 05 - Chet
2004 - 06 - Craig
2004 - 07 - Dr. Paul
2004 - 08 - SwinggCat
2004 - 09 - Will Daddy
2004 - 10 - Sean Stephenson
2004 - 11 - Patty / Richard
2004 - 12 - Brent

2005 - 01 - Stephen
2005 - 02 - David M
2005 - 03 - Alex
2005 - 04 - David Shade
2005 - 05 - Steve Celeste aka Toecutter
2005 - 06 - Kathryn Scott / Laura Moore
2005 - 07 - Stephane
2005 - 08 - Leil Lowndes
2005 - 09 - Style aka Neil Strauss
2005 - 10 - Dr. Alex Benzer
2005 - 11 - Lance Mason
2005 - 12 - Cliff

2006 - 01 - Ken Kennedy
2006 - 02 - Geoffery Miller
2006 - 03 - F J Shark
2006 - 04 - Grant Adams
2006 - 05 - Carlos Xuma / Steve Piuccus
2006 - 06 - Zan
2006 - 07 - Tommy Leonardi
2006 - 08 - Payton Kane
2006 - 09 - Shawn Royster
2006 - 10 - David Wygant
2006 - 11 - Adam Armstrong
2006 - 12 - Joseph Matthews

2007 - 01 - Sean Newman
2007 - 02 - Scott Mckay
2007 - 03 - Eric aka Hypnotica
2007 - 04 - Vin DiCarlo
2007 - 05 - Brad P
2007 - 06 - Timothy Ferriss
2007 - 07 - Travis Decker
2007 - 08 - Mystery aka Erik von Markovik
2007 - 09 - Tucker Max
2007 - 10 - Johnny
2007 - 11 - R. Don Steele
2007 - 12 - Mehow

2008 - 01 - Rion Williams
2008 - 02 - Oliver Turner
2008 - 03 - Michael
2008 - 04 - Robert Glover


2008-Mike Patrick
2008-Jae Ellis
2007 - 11 - R. Don Steele

2008 - 01 - Rion Williams
2008 - 02 - Oliver Turner
2008 - 04 - Robert Glover


http://rapidshare.com/files/265997658/David_DeAngelo_-_Interviews_with_Dating_Gurus.part5.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/265986093/David_DeAngelo_-_Interviews_with_Dating_Gurus.part4.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/265973522/David_DeAngelo_-_Interviews_with_Dating_Gurus.part3.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/265959466/David_DeAngelo_-_Interviews_with_Dating_Gurus.part2.rar

http://rapidshare.com/files/265945162/David_DeAngelo_-_Interviews_with_Dating_Gurus.part1.rar
 
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Gentlemen your thanks are all appreciated. And, what I would prefer that will be beneficial to all of us is that you share your ideas, give feed back on some of the problems and success you come across, that is what will make all the difference for everybody who is practicing.
 
i get the second part, but doesn't the first part (telling a woman that she's pretty) goes against everything most puas tell you? :confused:
 
chilibrick said:
i get the second part, but doesn't the first part (telling a woman that she's pretty) goes against everything most puas tell you? :confused:
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PUA is mostly based on indirect game, this article is direct game i.e. letting a woman know you are interested in her sexually upfront. So some of the 'rules' of indirect game don't apply to the direct camp. The following are a list of direct people:

David X
Mode 1
Bad Boy
Cortez
Ciaran aka Dr Jekyll
Gary Brodsky
 
darth frosty said:
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Darth thank you for this vid, I learned about the channels and I actually used it in field last night.

Me: "I knew you were telling a lie because you were looking to my left, you were in the construction channel."
Me: "Look at me again," [I take my pointer curled as a hook and raise her head and look directly into her eyes, she breaks eye contact first and looks down, i know I have attraction]

I was going for the SNL. No matter how much your game is tight, logistics at the end of the night will determine if you smash or not. last night...solid game...bad logistics
 
Leil Lowndes - How to Talk to Anyone [62 Little Tricks for Big Success in Relationships]

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http://rapidshare.com/files/2779309..._Tricks_for_Big_Success_in_Relationships_.zip
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Leil Lowndes - How to Talk to Anyone
00 - Introduction - How to Get Anything You Want from Anybody
01 - Part One - How to Intrigue Everyone, Without Saying a Word
02 - Trick 1 - How to Make Your Smile Magically Different
03 - Trick 2 - How to Strike Everyone as Intelligent and Insightful by Using Your Eyes
04 - Trick 3 - How to Use Your Eyes to Make Someone Fall in Love with You
05 - Trick 4 - How to Look Like a Big Winner Wherever You Go
06 - Trick 5 - How to Win Their Heart by Responding to Their 'Inner Infant'
07 - Trick 6 - How to Make People Feel Like You're Their Old Friend Immediately
08 - Trick 7 - How to Come Across 100 Percent Credible to Everyone
09 - Trick 8 - How to Read People Like You Have ESP
10 - Trick 9 - How to Make Sure That You Don't Miss a Single Beat
11 - Part Two - What Do I Say After I Say 'Hi'
12 - Trick 10 - How to Start Great Small Talk
13 - Trick 11 - How to Sound Like You've Got a Super Personality
14 - Trick 12 - How to Make People Want to Start a Conversation with You
15 - Trick 13 - How to Meet the People You Want to Meet
16 - Trick 14 - How to Break into a Tight Crowd
17 - Trick 15 - How to Make the Anwswer to That 'Where Are You From' Question Sound Exciting
18 - Trick 16 - How to Come Out a Winner Every Time They Ask, 'And What Do You Do'
19 - Trick 17 - How to Introduce People Like a Host with the Most
20 - Trick 18 - How to Resuscitate a Dying Conversation
21 - Trick 19 - How to Enthrall People with Your Choice of Topic--Themselves
22 - Trick 20 - How to Never Need to Wonder, 'What Do I Say Next'
23 - Trick 21 - How to Get Them Happily Chatting
24 - Trick 22 - How to Come Across as a Very Positive Person
25 - Trick 23 - How to Always Have Something Interesting to Say
26 - Part Three - How to Talk Like a VIP
27 - Trick 24 - How to Find Out What They Do
28 - Trick 25 - How to Sound Even Smarter
29 - Trick 26 - How to Be a 'You-Firstie' to Gain Their Respect and Affection
30 - Trick 27 - How to Make Them Feel You 'Don't Just Smile at Anybody'
31 - Trick 28 - How to Use Motivational Speakers' Techniques to Enhance Your Conversation
32 - Trick 29 - How to Give Them the Bad News
33 - Trick 30 - How to Make People Want to Thank You
34 - Part Four - How to Be an Insider in Any Crowd
35 - Trick 31 - How to Be a Modern-Day Renaissance Man or Woman
36 - Trick 32 - How to Sound Like You Know All About Their Job or Hobby
37 - Trick 33 - How to Secretly Learn About Their Lives
38 - Part Five - How to Sound Like You're Peas in a Pod
39 - Trick 34 - How to Make Them Feel You're of the Same 'Class'
40 - Trick 35 - How to Make Them Feel Like You're 'Family'
41 - Trick 36 - How to Make Things Really Clear to People
42 - Trick 37 - How to Make Them Feel You Empathize
43 - Trick 38 - How to Make Them Think We
44 - Trick 39 - How to Create a Friendly 'Private Joke' with Them
45 - Part Six - The Power of Praise, The Folly of Flattery
46 - Trick 40 - How to Compliment Someone
47 - Trick 41 - How to Win Their Hearts by Being an 'Undercover Complimenter'
48 - Trick 42 - How to Make Them Never Forget You
49 - Trick 43 - How to Make Them Smile with 'Itty-Bitty Boosters'
50 - Trick 44 - How to Praise with Perfect Timing
51 - Trick 45 - How to Make Them Want to Compliment You
52 - Part Seven - Direct Dial Their Hearts
53 - Trick 46 - How to Sound More Exciting on the Phone
54 - Trick 47 - How to Sound Close
55 - Trick 48 - How to Make Them Happy That They Called You
56 - Trick 49 - How to Get What You Want--by Timing!
57 - Trick 50 - How to Get Them to Call You Back
58 - Trick 51 - How to Make Them Say You Have Super Sensitivity
59 - Part Eight - How to Break the Most Treacherous Glass Ceiling of All
60 - Trick 52 - How to Win Their Heart When Their Tongue Is Faltering
61 - Trick 53 - Let Them Know 'What's in It' for Them
62 - Trick 54 - Make Them Want to Do Favors for You
63 - Trick 55 - How to Ask for Favors
64 - Trick 56 - What Not to Say at Parties
65 - Trick 57 - What Not to Say in a Chance Meeting
66 - Trick 58 - How to Make Them Like You
67 - Trick 59 - How to Trap a Rat with Class
68 - Trick 60 - How to Get Whatever You Want from Service Personnel
69 - Trick 61 - How to Be a Leader in a Crowd, Not a Follower
70 - Trick 62 - How to Make All the Right Moves
71 - A Final Word - Your Destiny
72 - Credits
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Susan Jeffers - Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway
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Do you have difficulty making decisions . . . asking your boss for a raise . . . committing to or leaving a relationship . . . going on an interview . . . facing the future? Does fear keep you from jumping into life with energy and excitement? Now, Susan Jeffers, who has helped millions turn their lives around, can help you become more powerful in the face of your fears. Dynamic and inspirational, Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway is filled with concrete techniques for turning passivity into action.

With understanding and humor, Dr. Jeffers will teach you
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http://rapidshare.com/files/277925541/Susan_Jeffers_-_Feel_The_Fear_And_Do_It_Anyway.zip
 
Mello Mello said:
Hey Methodist who do you recommend for indirect game methods?
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Short answer
Sinn, Mehow, or Brad P. no doubt about it., no second thoughts. AFCadam Lyons as a back up.

if you are a grown ass man who wear suits and go to really high end joints. I say you learn "natural game" by gambler; Vin DiCarlo or from Tim (Flawless Natural video program) from Real social dynamics.

if you have the time and energy, and younger than 30, I highly recommend you start with indirect and work your way towards natural game and direct game over a year or so.

I say that because getting good takes lots of practice and developement.
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Long answer and methodst 2 cents
I started off using mystery method..lol. If you read my original document on page 1 or 2 it reaks of mystery method. Not that its a bad method, its just too complicated and linear.

Mehow and sinn are students of Mystery and their methods are generally the same as mystery but less complicated and non linear.

my game level is intermediate, I still have one and two problems infield.

What I mean by linear..I am tying off the top of my head, just amazed that I remember all this stuff.

Mystery recommends that you go from Attraction to Comfort to Seduction each phase contains 3 sub phases except seduction that contains 2

Attract
A1 - open then go directly to A2 - Attract >>>A3 female to male intrest (qualify, bait hook reel release)

then isolate comfort
c1-c2-c3

not the method I have a problem with the sturcture but its the linearity. Game is not linear. social life is not linear

Sinn recommends starting in comfort, for some situations like in dy game. not to be confused with AFC comfort (were you from? how old are you? and you or come here often?) but rather, "What time is it?" Where is the bank? to get her talking then run your opener. or sometimes you go direct.

Why linearity is out dated?

social life is not linear, people never interact on linear models. No one goes from opening to attraction then to qualification then stay in qualification for a said aount of minutes then comfort all in in about 7 hrs. seven hr rule is foolishness.

When I meet a woman, I open and depending on how the reaction is going I may go directly into comfort, I then I break comfort and go straight into attraction. If she is highly receptive I plough through attraction. or if she is definitely attracted to me and giving me signals, i go directly into qualification by transitioning with one little piece of attraction material.

for example, Hey I see saw you smiled at me and I just wanted to let you know, *pause* that the air you are breathing I invented that, yeah * head shake* fire also and the wheel. she lauhgs [attraction]
Her: really
Me: yeah, I thought you may want to thank me.
Her: thank you
Me: Hi I am methodist...and you are?

"So what do you do other than talk to cute guys at bars?" [qualification]*smile*

then I go back into attraction. she then elicit values, if she is deep into me, I tease hear yadda yadda.

I does not matter what you say, its how you say it. I have said some of the most rediculous things in field. I told women to stay away from me because if they end up liking me, I will hurt them. "Boyfriends/exhusbands they don't spank you enough either that or you can't shoot them" "I am going to take you to buy vegetables on my horse drawn cart." "I have a spaceship outside with forty ounces in the fridge" yadda yadda

anyways, if she does not qualify for me, I jump back into attraction. during qualification, i have a tattoo, if she asks about it, I have this attraction bit that I run, I would then do the attraction piece and back to vibing/small talk/DHV or get her to elicit values. if she drops something back into attraction, I tease her, make a few jokes, if my joke or something she says triggers something I remember, about one of my DHV stries, I DHV then get her to dleicit values. "My stories are not for free, tell me a cool one of you own." Then depending on her story, I can qualify her. if she says I was at school/work...

qualification: so what do you do? I believe that people should ultimately choose a profession that they love, do you enjoy that type of work?
 
big pimp said:
U dont need pick lines to get a female and supid storys and jokes.
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ok.


Gentlemen, here is something I highly recommend, anything on inner game, listen. one of the key ingedients in becomming good with women is knowing that you are stellar, strong male, you fear nothing, her opinion of you or no one opinion of you matters. No fear! Thats why i strongly suggest learning on becomming an alpha male and inner game.

Carlos Xuma - Secrets of the Alpha Man
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http://rapidshare.com/files/279161253/Carlos_Xuma_-_Secrets_of_the_Alpha_Man.zip


When your inner game is strong, you end up going out by yourself and approaching anybody by yourself. pursuing your goals in life without worry. Inner game!
 
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Anyone have any of these books:

Act like a Lady, Think Like a man - Steve Harvey
The Mac within - Tariq Nasheed
The Art of Golddigging - Tariq Nasheed
Pimp, the story of Mylife - Iceberg Slim aka Robert Beck
The Vixen diaries - Karrine Steffans
The Vixen manual - Karrine Steffans
Breaking the code of slience - Alana Wytt-Smith
 
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The Dark Side
By Roosh
Sleeping with a ton of women has some mental consequences that aren’t ususally talked about. Here are four things that I have noticed:

Inability to view women as equal human beings. My default opinion of any girl I meet is “worthless dirty whore until proven otherwise.” When so many girls have opened their legs up for me so quickly and easily, it’s hard for me to respect them (and their opinions or ideas) like I would a family member or close friend. I think this is leaking out into other areas of life as someone pointed out to me that I seem to read books written only by men.

Decreasing ability to sympathize and empathize with the female condition. Because I learned early on that talking to a girl about her problems or issues is the fastest way out of her pants, it’s become habit for me to simply nod or say “That sucks” when a girl has a genuine problem, even one that I can help solve. I have no desire to help a girl out with her life, and I don’t care if she falls flat on her face.

Decreasing patience to work things out. I don’t give a girl more than one chance to act “right” because it’s so easy to find a new whore at the bar. My ability to stay in a long-term relationship, putting up with its natural ups and downs, is evaporating as I adopt the mentality of a dictator, with my bitch the subservient who must attend to my needs without making any mistakes. Over the years my temper has greatly shortened.

Decreasing view of sex as a beautiful act of love. Sex is a mechanical means for me to relieve the pressure building up in my sack and nothing more, one small step above jerking off with my tight-gripped hand. I do not feel any closer to a girl when I pump her, and most of the time I respect her less because my opinion of her as a worthless dirty whore who probably likes being choked was proven correct.

The only way I see to reverse these consequences is to step out of the game completely and go through a massive cold streak that makes me value a woman again, to see her as something important that I need. Since I don’t see this happening, the odds that I will meet a new girl who I genuinely care for and maybe even love will be about the same as me winning the grand prize of a scratch ticket lottery game. And I’m fine with that. For now.
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http://www.rooshv.com/the-dark-side
 
LucaBrasi said:
I love shit like this

the pick up shit isn't just about fuckin chicks alot of it is about the psychology of social interactions and just how to make yourself a better more desirable person
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At this point in my life....

Getting pussy efficiently and effectively >>>>> being a better social person
 
wadusay said:
At this point in my life....

Getting pussy efficiently and effectively >>>>> being a better social person
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I am not sure if I am understanding what you are saying. If I am misunderstnding do further explain.

The basic premise is simple, many social processes can be learned through other social processes.

For example, a student of karate learns a respect for ancestors and elders, discipline over body and mind, better eating habits, better work out habits, a dojo located in the middle of a crime infested neighborhood can become a safe haven for those attending. The dojo can also become a social club etc...etc

If many qualities can be learned through the social proces of leran karate then becomming a better man can be learned throught pick up. Survey the thread and you will see tons of materials (psychology, sociology, colonge guided, work out materials, materials on spiratuality etc etc...)that goes beyond pick up. The end goal is not pussy its to become a quality who is naturally attractive.
 
METHODIST said:
I am not sure if I am understanding what you are saying. If I am misunderstnding do further explain.

The basic premise is simple, many social processes can be learned through other social processes.

For example, a student of karate learns a respect for ancestors and elders, discipline over body and mind, better eating habits, better work out habits, a dojo located in the middle of a crime infested neighborhood can become a safe haven for those attending. The dojo can also become a social club etc...etc

If many qualities can be learned through the social proces of leran karate then becomming a better man can be learned throught pick up. Survey the thread and you will see tons of materials (psychology, sociology, colonge guided, work out materials, materials on spiratuality etc etc...)that goes beyond pick up. The end goal is not pussy its to become a quality who is naturally attractive.
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Like i said.....get better pussy more efficiently >>> over any other social crap

I mastered that social stuff back in high school
 
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Carlos Xuma - Ultimate Inner Game

http://rapidshare.com/files/279156371/Carlos_Xuma_-_Ultimate_Inner_Game.zip

It is my sincere opinion that carlos xuma is one of the best in defining and teaching what is an alphamale and on developing and mastering inner game. I always recommend that becomming an alpha and developing inner game are two of main keys to getting better with women. As your inner game develops and you become more alpha, you become a natural and alot of tact and strategy based game falls by the way side.
 
cont'd

...with practice of course. One cannot sit at home read, listen to PU audio and expect to be an 'expert.' Such a person is simply a keyboard jockey.

The game is played in infield.
 
Miss Lead Luv said:
haha this thread came up when I was searching for nlp...bored...but yea I am OBSESSED with all this stuff nlp, persuasion all of it! Completely agree that these are skills you can use in almost every facet of your life

I watched some mystery videos on youtube..meh I found his method to be somewhat too arrogant...but that carlos xuma I love how he carries himself...has a confident demeanor without coming off too cocky...very likable personality...

Good thread methodist keep it up
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nice! anything you need or think you need holla, Ill look for you, I have alot of NLP stuff but I am not a practicioner, I am some started heavily using routines, though about NLP but never really got into to it.
 
I haven't been using anyone's specific method. I use a combo of tactics. But I have been using direct game and confidence approach to most of my pick-ups. I usually open by saying something funny or relevant to where I'm meeting a girl, if I can't think of anything I just approach and tell her I just wanted to meet her and go from there.

Most of my game is based on openers and ice-breakers it lets me feel more natural and not so contrived. If I can get her to laugh or smile at my opener I move toward conversation always something relevant to where I meet her. Like if Im in the book store our convo might be about whatever she's reading or some crazy book, or if I'm in the supermarket it's about brands or recipes etc. Just whatevers relevant to the situation.

I try to keep my compliments ginuine. Like if a girl laughs at something I say I'll ask her what makes her so friendly than the other girls I've met. Especially if I've been rejected a lot that night. Also I pay alot of attention to body language and eye contact, it allows you to see a whole lot more like sixth sense.

Lately I've been seeking to improve my indirect game. I think the indirect game in itself can be powerfully seductive it can show me how to be masculine in other ways that direct game can't. I'm also trying to improve my double talk as in saying things that mean two different things. I think it's playful and stimulating at the same time. It can make for interesting conversation when a girl is trying to decipher your motives.

More later.
 
Thanks mello for your response. I like the direction you are taking. I agree with what you said that the more you do this the more natural you become.
 

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