The "Racial Undertone" Of The Health Care Debate

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Clarence Page

Chicago Tribune
By Clarence Page
August 16, 2009



I thought slavery reparations was a dead issue. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Glenn Beck</span> set me straight.

The radio talk-show host and Fox News Channel star <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">says President Barack Obama's proposed health-care overhaul is really "stealth reparations,"</span> a form of racial payback in Beck's words.

I am not making this up. On his radio program last month and in a video floating around the Web, Beck argues that Obama's announced opposition to reparations is only a smoke screen for his "stealth" support of reparations.

How does Beck know? Through his own tortured logic, he takes Obama's argument for color-blind alternatives to color-conscious concepts like reparations and affirmative action and turns the argument on its head. He is happy that Obama opposes reparations, Beck says, but he dislikes Obama's reasons for opposing it.

Try to follow Beck's logic here. It's not easy.

When asked about reparations and affirmative action during his presidential campaign, Obama said he preferred programs that targeted poverty, education and other social problems based on need, not color. Beck correctly quotes Obama as saying programs like "universal health care ... will disproportionately affect people of color because they are disproportionately uninsured."

The same is true for programs aimed at improving education, housing and job opportunities. Obama's reasoning is hardly in dispute. Polls and the November election show that Obama's belief in helping those most in need, regardless of race, creed or color, is the sort of common-sense social policy that most Americans support across political party lines.

In fact, since low-income whites outnumber low-income blacks overall, even though a higher percentage of blacks are in poverty, more whites would receive help than would other Americans.

Yet, Beck insists Obama is pushing "universal health care, universal college, green jobs as stealth reparations." Why would Obama do that? Because, says Beck, "It's a much less obvious route to reparations."

Less obvious? You've got me there, Glenn. Your conspiracy theory makes about as much sense as the 98-pound boxer who hopes to beat Mike Tyson by tiring him out.


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Yet, Beck is not alone in his twisted logic. Rush Limbaugh, the Big Kahuna of conservative radio talkers, declared in a June broadcast that Obama's "entire economic program is reparations," although Limbaugh did not explain why he thinks that way. The mere mention of the R-word is enough in Limbaugh's logic to condemn Obama's "wealth redistribution."

Do such not-so-subtle race cards have an effect? One example may be Richie Drake, a disabled sheet-rock installer in Bristol, Va. He was unemployed and his children were on Medicaid, yet he told a National Public Radio reporter last month that he wants no part of the Obama overhaul. "Minorities are going to get more attention than the whites and stuff like that," he said. "That's the way I take it from what the news was talking about."

Add to Drake's misimpressions the rising prominence of the "birthers," who insist against all evidence that Obama may not be a natural-born citizen. Add the "tea-party" protesters who appear to have re-emerged to help disrupt town hall health-care meetings.

Amid the headline-making mayhem, one can be forgiven for thinking Obama's lofty vision of a post-racial, post-partisan presidency in "not red state or blue state but the United States of America" seems to have gone the way of twice-a-day mail delivery.

Still, I am an optimist. Just beneath the noise of town hall protesters there's a real health-care debate going on. It's just hard to separate the folks who have legitimate questions from those refighting last year's presidential election campaign.

In the meantime, if there is any justice regarding the broadcast demagogues, it could be in the reported departure of about a dozen companies that have withdrawn their commercials from Beck's Fox News program. The mass exodus reportedly came after he said last month that Obama was a racist with a "deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture."

It is encouraging to see confirmation of my parents' warning: If you keep throwing mud, some of it is going to splash back on you.

Clarence Page is a member of the Tribune's editorial board and blogs at chicagotribune.com/pagespage

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Notice how when the health care debate goes wrong, the media tries to find an excuse on why it went wrong.

For example, the American people can't be against nationalize health care because its nationalize health care. NOOOOOO!!! It has to be some kind of racist republican reason why they are against it. BTW, didn't I predict that Obama will hit a brick wall on one of my opinion posts? Funny that Que haven't dug that one up.
 
Notice how when the health care debate goes wrong, the media tries to find an excuse on why it went wrong.

For example, the American people can't be against nationalize health care because its nationalize health care. NOOOOOO!!! It has to be some kind of racist republican reason why they are against it. BTW, didn't I predict that Obama will hit a brick wall on one of my opinion posts? Funny that Que haven't dug that one up.

I dont know man. I can see not agreeing with the health care policy. But What Glenn Beck is saying is some conspircy theorist bullshit. He can simply use facts to compare to what he is saying but lies and these theories are bullshit
 
I dont know man. I can see not agreeing with the health care policy. But What Glenn Beck is saying is some conspircy theorist bullshit. He can simply use facts to compare to what he is saying but lies and these theories are bullshit

Personally, I really don't care for Glenn Beck.

He says some idiotic things in my opinion. I wouldn't call him a "leader of the conservative movement".

Sadly, he is one of the first to be pointed out when the left wanna find crazies on our side.
 
Personally, I really don't care for Glenn Beck.

He says some idiotic things in my opinion. I wouldn't call him a "leader of the conservative movement".

Sadly, he is one of the first to be pointed out when the left wanna find crazies on our side.

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Yet, Beck is not alone in his twisted logic. Rush Limbaugh, the Big Kahuna of conservative radio talkers, declared in a June broadcast that Obama's "entire economic program is reparations," although Limbaugh did not explain why he thinks that way. The mere mention of the R-word is enough in Limbaugh's logic to condemn Obama's "wealth redistribution."

Do such not-so-subtle race cards have an effect? One example may be Richie Drake, a disabled sheet-rock installer in Bristol, Va. He was unemployed and his children were on Medicaid, yet he told a National Public Radio reporter last month that he wants no part of the Obama overhaul. "Minorities are going to get more attention than the whites and stuff like that," he said. "That's the way I take it from what the news was talking about."

Add to Drake's misimpressions the rising prominence of the "birthers," who insist against all evidence that Obama may not be a natural-born citizen. Add the "tea-party" protesters who appear to have re-emerged to help disrupt town hall health-care meetings.
 

Que, you know that they always try to group Rush into anything concerning race since the McNabb thing.

I actually like Limbaugh because he is entertaining. Beck isn't IMO. I understand that, to you *and most of the mainstream media* there's no real difference between the two. I see otherwise. Lets agree to disagree.

BTW, with the comment they quote Rush on was merely an attention getter.

So, does this mean the word "reparation" should only be used in context with slavery?

*edit* I'm against wealth redistribution too. I guess that makes me an uncle tom in your eyes huh que?
 
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People want change but they are afraid of it.

I don't think the term "change" was ever defined, but I could be wrong.

For instance, End the Wars, Repeal NAFTA, Repeal FISA, Repeal the Patriot Act, hold Wall St. accountable, Stop the bailouts, End the 'fear' tactics popularized by Dubya. You know do the opposite of what Dubya did, that would be change, wouldn't it?

but 'change' means different things to different people
 
I don't think the term "change" was ever defined, but I could be wrong.

For instance, End the Wars, Repeal NAFTA, Repeal FISA, Repeal the Patriot Act, hold Wall St. accountable, Stop the bailouts, End the 'fear' tactics popularized by Dubya. You know do the opposite of what Dubya did, that would be change, wouldn't it?

but 'change' means different things to different people


Obama hasn't been the percise communicator some expected. Reagan, Clinton, were better their first months in office. He's leaves alot to the imagination, Rush and a few others noticed and he's paying for it now. To be fair it's impossible to articulate one strategy for the problems he's dealing with, bank closures would be hard enough but he's got a weak economy, 3 wars you name it. He also has a weak team. Clinton could be sabotaging him and Reid and Pelosi are just incompetent. If they were doing their jobs Reps wouldn't be upstaging him like they are. It will be interesting to see if he can pull this together.
 
Obama hasn't been the percise communicator some expected. Reagan, Clinton, were better their first months in office. He's leaves alot to the imagination, Rush and a few others noticed and he's paying for it now. To be fair it's impossible to articulate one strategy for the problems he's dealing with, bank closures would be hard enough but he's got a weak economy, 3 wars you name it. He also has a weak team. Clinton could be sabotaging him and Reid and Pelosi are just incompetent. If they were doing their jobs Reps wouldn't be upstaging him like they are. It will be interesting to see if he can pull this together.

Obama does that on purpose, just like other politicians. They keep itt foggy so they can deflect and change the game as it suits them. It kind of reminds me of thoughtone.:hmm:
 
Que, you know that they always try to group Rush into anything concerning race since the McNabb thing.

Yeah, I know. It ain't like he (Rush) said any of those racist things. Ya know?

I actually like Limbaugh because he is entertaining.

Yeah, I know. It ain't like he's really a racist. He is always being misquoted and misjudged.


Beck isn't IMO. I understand that, to you *and most of the mainstream media* there's no real difference between the two. I see otherwise. Lets agree to disagree.

Stop flattering yourself.


BTW, with the comment they quote Rush on was merely an attention getter.

Yeah, like I said, misquoted and misjudged.


So, does this mean the word "reparation" should only be used in context with slavery?

What other context is being used ???

*edit* I'm against wealth redistribution too. I guess that makes me an uncle tom in your eyes huh que?

<font size="3">I'm against redistribution as well. But I can't understand why a postal worker receiving government welfare payments to subsidize his health insurance would be so proud of enjoying the redistribution of my taxes. Nahmean?

QueEx

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Yeah, I know. It ain't like he (Rush) said any of those racist things. Ya know?



Yeah, I know. It ain't like he's really a racist. He is always being misquoted and misjudged.




Stop flattering yourself.




Yeah, like I said, misquoted and misjudged.




What other context is being used ???



<font size="3">I'm against redistribution as well. But I can't understand why a postal worker receiving government welfare payments to subsidize his health insurance would be so proud of enjoying the redistribution of my taxes. Nahmean?

QueEx

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Post office do not receive "welfare payments for health insurance". We work for whatever we get first of all. Secondly, we USED to have a decent profit margin nationwide. If you must know, the divisions in Texas are doing better than, lets say, the east coast regions.

Give me an example of something Rush said that was racist. I'm asking because I've been listening to him since 03, looking for something that he has said that was racist.
 
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Obama hasn't been the percise communicator some expected. Reagan, Clinton, were better their first months in office. He's leaves alot to the imagination, Rush and a few others noticed and he's paying for it now. To be fair it's impossible to articulate one strategy for the problems he's dealing with, bank closures would be hard enough but he's got a weak economy, 3 wars you name it. He also has a weak team. Clinton could be sabotaging him and Reid and Pelosi are just incompetent. If they were doing their jobs Reps wouldn't be upstaging him like they are. It will be interesting to see if he can pull this together.

Obama is still a popular Prez, and all the people listed above (Rush, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton) are NOT! I'd like to see him working more for the people and NOT for the multi-national corporations, whose representatives make up his administration! Look no further than MLK for someone who spoke truth to power.

Y'all correct me if I'm wrong but I just get a feeling the media is trying to provoke a "race war". They have focused so much attention on race relations but you don't hear a word about the 23.7 Trillion that Treasury can't account for! Everyday, I'm trying to find the "appropriate" concern in regards to race relations because I'm not foolish to believe that it doesn't exist, however, at what point does it become a tool for destruction?

Forgive my conspiritorial nature but I think the Bankers are playing all of us!

But whenever the slaves get together, that's the beginning of getting out of slavery.” —Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
People are scared. When we get scared we retreat to our comfort zones, in America, that is racial identity. It's human nature and the media playing race politics to get viewers. Prolly a lot of other factors but basically thats it. I don't see why Democrats aren't being called out. They are not supporting a popular President. Whats up with that. Racism? Maybe minorities should take a long hard look at the Dem party, especially the Blue Dog segment.
 
I'm tryin to understand why you say people are scared, Where does this fear emanate?


Personally I think fear is learned behavior. I think caution is part of our survival system but not fear. Americans are conditioned to fear, it's divide and conquer and keeps the status quo intact. Whats interesting is how the right can use fear with healthcare of all things. The philosopical question of whether we have a right to it has been lost and now it's all about fear. Only in America.
 
Post office do not receive "welfare payments for health insurance". We work for whatever we get first of all. Secondly, we USED to have a decent profit margin nationwide. If you must know, the divisions in Texas are doing better than, lets say, the east coast regions.

The government pays all or nearly all of your health insurance. The government is none other than Yours Truly, and the rest of the Yours Truly out here, otherwise known as us American Taxpayers. You work (that may be questionable) for the salary you receive. The money paid for your health insurance is welfare out of the pockets of taxpayers.


Give me an example of something Rush said that was racist. I'm asking because I've been listening to him since 03 looking for something that he has said that was racist.

If you've been listening since 2003 and you haven't heard anything racist from Rush Limpbaugh in six years, you may want to have your hearing cheched and your sight examined for dyslexia or some rare disease that distorts the written word. In the meantine, it would be futile for me to respond with examples because it is clear that nothing I say here is likely to pursuade you otherwise.


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The government pays all or nearly all of your health insurance. The government is none other than Yours Truly, and the rest of the Yours Truly out here, otherwise known as us American Taxpayers. You work (that may be questionable) for the salary you receive. The money paid for your health insurance is welfare out of the pockets of taxpayers.




If you've been listening since 2003 and you haven't heard anything racist from Rush Limpbaugh in six years, you may want to have your hearing cheched and your sight examined for dyslexia or some rare disease that distorts the written word. In the meantine, it would be futile for me to respond with examples because it is clear that nothing I say here is likely to pursuade you otherwise.


QueEx

1. So, you think I don't pay taxes?

2. I take it that you can not give me an example of Rush being racist. The reason I start listening to Rush is because I was trying to find racism in his rhetoric. Personally, I think he only speaks the truth when it comes race, and politics. Most of all, the people he criticize is the dumbass liberals. No wonder you can't stand him....
 
1. So, you think I don't pay taxes?

2. I take it that you can not give me an example of Rush being racist. The reason I start listening to Rush is because I was trying to find racism in his rhetoric. Personally, I think he only speaks the truth when it comes race, and politics. Most of all, the people he criticize is the dumbass liberals. No wonder you can't stand him....

I think he only speaks the truth when it comes race, and politics.

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1. So, you think I don't pay taxes?
And ?

You're still receiving a government handout.


2. I take it that you can not give me an example of Rush being racist. The reason I start listening to Rush is because I was trying to find racism in his rhetoric. Personally, I think he only speaks the truth when it comes race, and politics. Most of all, the people he criticize is the dumbass liberals. No wonder you can't stand him....

:smh: :smh: :smh:

This just does not speak well of you.

In fact, what you said speaks really ill, of you.

QueEx
 
Notice how when the health care debate goes wrong, the media tries to find an excuse on why it went wrong.

For example, the American people can't be against nationalize health care because its nationalize health care. NOOOOOO!!! It has to be some kind of racist republican reason why they are against it. BTW, didn't I predict that Obama will hit a brick wall on one of my opinion posts? Funny that Que haven't dug that one up.

Well, that's because ALL of the civilized world has found away to provide health care for it's citizens, where as the "Greatest Country In The World" is sandwiched in the mid-30s, somewhere between Cypress and Costa Rica.

I'd say that speaks badly of us.

Post office do not receive "welfare payments for health insurance". We work for whatever we get first of all. Secondly, we USED to have a decent profit margin nationwide. If you must know, the divisions in Texas are doing better than, lets say, the east coast regions.

Give me an example of something Rush said that was racist. I'm asking because I've been listening to him since 03, looking for something that he has said that was racist.

Top 10 Racist Limbaugh Quotes
By Casey Gane-McCalla October 20, 2008 9:45 pm

Normally I do Top 5 lists, but Rush Limbaugh’s racist comments could not be limited by such a small number. Now that he has reared his ugly once again in saying that Colin Powell is endorsing Barack Obama because he is black, it’s time to ask ourselves why is Sarah Palin appearing on the show with such an astounding racist. Is she pallin around with bigots?

If John McCain was so eager to have Barack Obama repudiate the statements of his ’supporter,’ John Lewis, shouldn’t John McCain repudiate the extremely racist comments of his biggest right wing radio supporter, Rush Limbaugh.



Here’s Our Top 10 Racist Rush Limbaugh Quotes

1. I mean, let’s face it, we didn’t have slavery in this country for over 100 years because it was a bad thing. Quite the opposite: slavery built the South. I’m not saying we should bring it back; I’m just saying it had its merits. For one thing, the streets were safer after dark.

Okay Rush, slavery was not a good thing for the millions of African Americans who were enslaved, raped and beaten. The streets weren’t at all safe for African Americans. Slavery not a bad thing? Someone should put Rush on a plantation for him to see how great it is. Keep on fear and race mongering Rush, you might get to Goebels status.

2. You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.

Martin Luther King is a national hero, not a black hero. Everybody in the United States celebrates his birthday, children are taught to look up to him as a hero in school. He’s earned the respect and admiration of the world and you believe the man who killed him was a hero? This is beyond racist. This is evil, mean spirited, subhuman. Praising the assassin of one of our great American heroes is beyond the scope of regular racism.

3. Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?

No but I’ve noticed that all racist bigots think like Rush Limbaugh. Comparing a respected black politician and minister to common criminals is Jim Crow racism. Maybe all black people look alike to him, but I’ve never seen a picture of a wanted criminal that looks like Jesse Jackson. A serial killer that looks like Rush Limbaugh on the other hand.

John Wayne Gacy

4. Right. So you go into Darfur and you go into South Africa, you get rid of the white government there. You put sanctions on them. You stand behind Nelson Mandela — who was bankrolled by communists for a time, had the support of certain communist leaders. You go to Ethiopia. You do the same thing.

The communist connection is an old way of dealing with black leaders. They used it on Martin Luther King, they’re using it on Barack Obama and Limbaugh used it on Nelson Mandela. By siding with the racist apartheid regime over a world-wide symbol of peace and freedom, Limbaugh has shown he’s a global racist.

5. Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.

Limbaugh is once again fear mongering and race baiting by associating professional black athletes with criminals and gangmembers. He continues the fear mongering association of good, decent, hard working African Americans as criminals.

6. The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.

Now Limbaugh is saying that an organization with a storied tradition of representing the positive black people for change in their communities are criminals and rioters. An organization that has been represented by intelligent professional African Americans, that has played a part in the Civil Rights movement and continues to be an intelligent, concerned voice for the African American community is degraded to common criminals. There you go Rush. Keep racism alive!!!!

7. They’re 12 percent of the population. Who the hell cares?

Decent human beings care Rush. Someone out of that 12% may just become President of the United States. Not caring about black people? Even George Bush wouldn’t admit to that.

8. Take that bone out of your nose and call me back(to an African American female caller).

Okay Rush that’s classy. The old African bone in the nose stereotype. Wasn’t funny when the racist white school kids called the black kids that and it’s definitely not funny when a grown man with audience of millions of easily influenced dittoheads says it either.

9. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They’re interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there’s a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn’t deserve.

I wasn’t super offended by this, the whole black quarterback/coach thing has been going on for years in sports, but the quote was so offensive that Retired General Wesley Clarke said:

There can be no excuse for such statements. Mr. Limbaugh has the right to say whatever he wants, but ABC and ESPN have no obligation to sponsor such hateful and ignorant speech. Mr. Limbaugh should be fired immediately.

When a respected, retired general condemns the statement of a sportscaster, you know he’s gone too far.

10. Limbaugh attacks on Obama. Limbaugh has called Obama a ‘halfrican American’ has said that Obama was not black but Arab because Kenya is an Arab region, even though Arabs are less than one percent of Kenya. Since mainstream America has become more accepting of African-Americans, Limbaugh has decided to play against its new racial fears, Arabs and Muslims. Despite the fact Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law school, Limbaugh has called him an ‘affirmative action candidate.’ Limbaugh even has repeatedly played a song on his radio show ‘Barack the Magic Negro’ using an antiquated Jim Crow era term for black a man who many Americans are supporting for president. Way to go Rush.

So Rush Limbaugh has managed to make racist attacks on four of the most admired and respected people of African descent in the past one hundred years, in Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Colin Powell and Barack Obama. He has called for the assassin of Martin Luther King to be given a medal, and said slavery was a good thing. He has claimed that Joe the Plumber, who isn’t even a plumber is more important in this election than Colin Powell, a decorated military veteran who has served honorably in three administrations. How can the Republican party stand by this man and let their candidates appear on his show? Rush Limbaugh’s comments are so racist, they’re funny, in a Borat, Archie Bunker kind of way. What is not funny is the millions of dittoheads who listen to him, who take in and re-spout all the racist rhetoric that he spits. Limbaugh’s statements are echoed in the racist, angry Palin/McCain supporters who shout ‘kill him,’ ‘terrorist,’ ‘communist,’ ‘traitor,’ ’socialist’ and ‘off with his head.’

http://newsone.com/obama/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/
 
I don't think Rush is a racist. He's a pragmatic realist. He knows his audience and what they want to hear. He gives HIS people what they want. We know he's a self loathing, woman hating drug addict. Beck wouldn't invite his listeners to his house, break bread with them, but he will spend their money. Hannity wouldn't let his kids play with his followers children and if they moved into his neighborhood he would have a fit.

They represent the worst of capitialism. But thats why newspapers are written for people with a 6th grade reading level. It's why disclaimers are put on cds. You play to your audience, if you don't you end up looking for a govt handout.
 
I don't think Rush is a racist. He's a pragmatic realist. He knows his audience and what they want to hear. He gives HIS people what they want. We know he's a self loathing, woman hating drug addict. Beck wouldn't invite his listeners to his house, break bread with them, but he will spend their money. Hannity wouldn't let his kids play with his followers children and if they moved into his neighborhood he would have a fit.

They represent the worst of capitialism. But thats why newspapers are written for people with a 6th grade reading level. It's why disclaimers are put on cds. You play to your audience, if you don't you end up looking for a govt handout.

Really?

Gore Vidal, Ralph Nader, and Ron Paul are looking for govt handouts?

Look, it's all about having personal integrity. Some people can succeed, whether they're Democrats or Republicans or Independent, by just telling the truth.
 
I don't think Rush is a racist. He's a pragmatic realist. He knows his audience and what they want to hear. He gives HIS people what they want. We know he's a self loathing, woman hating drug addict. Beck wouldn't invite his listeners to his house, break bread with them, but he will spend their money. Hannity wouldn't let his kids play with his followers children and if they moved into his neighborhood he would have a fit.

They represent the worst of capitialism. But thats why newspapers are written for people with a 6th grade reading level. It's why disclaimers are put on cds. You play to your audience, if you don't you end up looking for a govt handout.

I don't think Rush is a racist.:lol:
 
Really?

Gore Vidal, Ralph Nader, and Ron Paul are looking for govt handouts?

Look, it's all about having personal integrity. Some people can succeed, whether they're Democrats or Republicans or Independent, by just telling the truth.

Are you saying Gore Vidal, Ralph Nader, and Ron Paul aren't playing to their audience? If they are do they have anymore integrity than Rush or Beck. Truth and integrity are just opinions in this society, they can be bought and sold like anything else. Personally I think there should be a law against people going on the air and flat out lying. Lawmakers who are caught lying, cheating, stealing or fearmongering should be jailed imo. Unfortunately thats not the way it is in the good ol USA. It's all about the dollar and lying, cheating, race baiting and fearmongering is just business, nothing personal.
 
Are you saying Gore Vidal, Ralph Nader, and Ron Paul aren't playing to their audience? If they are do they have anymore integrity than Rush or Beck. Truth and integrity are just opinions in this society, they can be bought and sold like anything else. Personally I think there should be a law against people going on the air and flat out lying. Lawmakers who are caught lying, cheating, stealing or fearmongering should be jailed imo. Unfortunately thats not the way it is in the good ol USA. It's all about the dollar and lying, cheating, race baiting and fearmongering is just business, nothing personal.

They say what THEY believe is right. That's what is important. I've seen all three of those guys alienate their OWN parties and supporters, by taking unpopular positions. Ron Paul took on the ENTIRE Republikkkan party, by opposing the Iraq War and Bush's TARP plan. Nader and Dennis Kucinich have been fighting their own parties for YEARS. Don't forget Nader caused Gore the election in 2000, because he didn't think Al Gore was Liberal enough. That's principal.
 
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The Associated Press
VIA - Atlanta Journal Constitution
By DAVID BAUDER
August 24, 2009


NEW YORK — Glenn Beck returns to Fox News Channel after a vacation on Monday with fewer companies willing to advertise on his show than when he left, part of the fallout from calling President Barack Obama a racist.

A total of 33 Fox advertisers, including Walmart, CVS Caremark, Clorox and Sprint, directed that their commercials not air on Beck's show, according to the companies and ColorofChange.org, a group that promotes political action among blacks and launched a campaign to get advertisers to abandon him. That's more than a dozen more than were identified a week ago.

While it's unclear what effect, if any, this will ultimately have on Fox and Beck, it is already making advertisers skittish about hawking their wares within the most opinionated cable TV shows.

The Clorox Co., a former Beck advertiser, now says that "we do not want to be associated with inflammatory speech used by either liberal or conservative talk show hosts." The maker of bleach and household cleaners said in a statement that is has decided not to advertise on political talk shows.

The shows present a dilemma for advertisers, who usually like a "safe" environment for their messages. The Olbermanns, Hannitys, O'Reillys, Maddows and Becks of the TV world are more likely to say something that will anger a viewer, who might take it out on sponsors.

They also host the most-watched programs on their networks.

"This is a good illustration of that conundrum," said Rich Hallabran, spokesman for UPS Stores, which he said has temporarily halted buying ads on Fox News Channel as a whole.

Beck can bring the eyeballs. With the health care debate raising political temperatures, his show had its biggest week ever right before his vacation, averaging 2.4 million viewers each day, according to Nielsen Media Research.

He was actually on another Fox show July 28 when he referred to Obama as a racist with "a deep-seated hatred for white people." The network immediately distanced itself from Beck's statement, but Beck didn't. He used his radio show the next day to explain why he believed that. He would not comment for this article, spokesman Matthew Hiltzik said.

ColorofChange.org quickly targeted companies whose ads had appeared during Beck's show, telling them what he had said and seeking a commitment to drop him. The goal is to make Beck a liability, said James Rucker, the organization's executive director.

"They have a toxic asset," Rucker said. "They can either clean it up or get rid of it."

It's not immediately clear how many of the companies actually knew they were advertising on Beck's show. Sometimes commercial time is chosen for a specific show, but often it is bought on a rotation basis, meaning the network sprinkles the ads throughout the day on its own schedule. Sometimes ads appear by mistake; Best Buy said it bought commercial time for earlier in the day, and one of its ads unexpectedly appeared in Beck's show.

One company, CVS Caremark, said it advertises on Fox but hadn't said anything about Beck. Now it has told its advertising agency to inform Fox that it wanted no commercials on Beck.

"Wesupport vigorous debate, especially around policy issues that affect millions of Americans, but we expect it to be informed, inclusive and respectful," said spokeswoman Carolyn Castel.

Besides the unpredictability of the opinionated cable hosts, the rapid pace of today's wired world complicates decisions on where to place ads, said Kathleen Dunleavy, a spokeswoman for Sprint. She said she was surprised at how fast the Beck issue spread across social media outlets and how quickly advertiser names were attached to it.

UPS' Hallabran said the decision to pull commercials "should not be interpreted as we are permanently withdrawing our advertising from Fox." He said the company wants to reach viewers with a wide spectrum of opinions.

Except for UPS Stores, there's no evidence that any advertisers who say they don't want to be on Beck's show are leaving Fox. Network spokeswoman Irena Briganti said the companies have simply requested the ads be moved elsewhere and that Fox hasn't lost any revenue.

She wouldn't say whether Fox was benefiting from any anti-anti-Beck backlash, with companies looking to support him. Some Beck supporters have urged fans to express their displeasure at companies for abandoning their man.

Beck supporters have suggested that retaliation might have something to do with ColorofChange.org's campaign. One of the group's founders, Van Jones, now works in the Obama administration and has been criticized by Beck. But Rucker said Jones has nothing to do with ColorofChange.org now and didn't even know about the campaign before it started.

Beck's strong ratings — even at 5 p.m. EDT he often outdraws whatever CNN and MSNBC show in prime-time — make it unlikely Beck is going anywhere even with the list of advertisers avoiding him approaches three dozen.

But it could mean advertising time becomes cheaper on his show than such a large audience would normally command. Some of his show's advertisers last week included a male enhancement pill, a law firm looking to sue on behalf of asbestos victims, a company selling medical supplies to diabetics and a water filter company.

Rucker said ColorofChange.org has contacted about 60 companies regarding Beck, and is heartened by the response.

"It's causing a certain conversation around Beck, which I think is important," he said.


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