Was Hip Hop really better back in the day?

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Was Hip Hop really better back in the day?
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The biggest lie in the world is. “It used to be better back in the days.” I am here to say that a very few things were better in the past. Sure there were a few things, but that list is short. It is nothing like in the context people use that phrase right now. Let us look at it from a hip-hop sense. Was hip-hop better back in the day? First, let us define what day we are talking about when we say “Back in the day.”

In the late 70’s, hip-hop was pretty cool. It was what I look back as black punk music. The only difference was that it was embrace by the urban areas whereas punk was for the select few. The demographics were different but the ideal was the same. Music created by us for us. Hip-hop was clearly an urban and minority driven for of expression. The movement catered to the fact our differences from the main depiction of what America was shown to the world as bound us together. Jewish, Black and Hispanic kids that did not fit in the mold of what was represented formed a culture outside the bounds of what portrayed and created something so real.

Hip Hop in the late 70’s and early 80’s was about creating the party scene that wasn’t catering to everyone. The music clearly represented that fact. You had people of all races and ethnic backgrounds creating songs we call groundbreaking and classic. Songs like Rappers delight, the Rapture, The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel, Freedom, Break-dance – Electric Boogie, and others encompassed so many aspects of the different cultures that made hip hop so popular with the youths.

Granted there were lots of greats songs being made. But the greatness of the songs were due to their newness. It is like the first album is usually your favorite album of an artist. The first movie in a trilogy is usually considered the best. I don’t disagree with the music being great, but there was a lot less to choose from. I think that played a major role in things too.

Now the mid 80’s to the end of the decade was my favorite time. I know I am romanticizing the era because it was my teenage years, but so what. That was my greatest era for the music. It was hip-hop nonstop for me. I only had room for Jimi Hendrix. But other than that it was hip hop. Now during this time a new age was ushered in. Basically cause of Run DMC. It wasn’t so much about the sound or a dance, but now it was about the MC. The MC was supreme. LL, KRS-One, Big Daddy Kane, Steady B, and the entire Juice Crew, it was all about the MC. There is no denying how great of a time this was. But it influence in mainly dude to the quality and the newfound reach of the music across the globe. It was the foundation of hip-hop as we know it. This period was the blueprint for other regions to hear this new sound in a more accessible manner. The days of more music and less rap were ending. And the vocal power of the youth was screaming to be heard and it was. But not only were the kids listening so were the record label heads. Which began what I saw as the end of the music and the start of the hip hop industry?

The 90’s hip hop scene was arguably the greatest era. I disagree. I think the mid 80’s to the late 80’s was the golden age. The 90’s was just the mass commercialization of the scene as a whole. When gangster rap became the music of suburban southern cal boys and girls and NYC hardcore rappers were on Good Morning America it was clear to see Sprite commercials were just the beginning. The music didn’t suffer. There was tons of great music being made. Most of the best albums of the genre were being made at this time. However it was al formula driven that it lacked something. Take Nas for an example. Illmatic was a classic hip-hop album. It was pure inner city angst and reflective of the times. But by the time It Was Written dropped, the realness was loss for the façade of the game. Now it can be argued that It Was Written was better than Illmatic. I disagree. The showmanship that is all over IWW is overshadowed by Illmatic’s brilliance. The commercialization lent itself to probably what killed the 90’s. The dagger so to speak was the bling bling or the flossy aspect. It was something that was kicked off by NYC rappers like Nas, Biggie, LL, and Jay. It was then later picked up by Master P, Cash Money, and more and more groups all over the place. The trend still exists and hurt the game extremely.

The 2K hip hop scene might actually be the best. Because the music became so accessible thanks to napster and piracy. Sure a lot of junk has been put out, but the sheer volume of music thanks to how the mixtape game has change has given people more music to enjoy at a much faster rate. The days of hearing your favorite artist release a new song went from years to weeks. It the quality lost for quantity? Only the listener can say that. But I can say for myself that the opportunity to hear something new and dope every week makes this period damn cool.

So to wrap it up. I think saying it was better back in the day is not a truth. But I’m just one person.

I wrote a follow up to the blog post here..Hip Hop Fans Have To Be The Dumbest..
 
Was Hip Hop really better back in the day?
Categories: Hip Hop

The biggest lie in the world is. “It used to be better back in the days.” I am here to say that a very few things were better in the past. Sure there were a few things, but that list is short. It is nothing like in the context people use that phrase right now. Let us look at it from a hip-hop sense. Was hip-hop better back in the day? First, let us define what day we are talking about when we say “Back in the day.”

In the late 70’s, hip-hop was pretty cool. It was what I look back as black punk music. The only difference was that it was embrace by the urban areas whereas punk was for the select few. The demographics were different but the ideal was the same. Music created by us for us. Hip-hop was clearly an urban and minority driven for of expression. The movement catered to the fact our differences from the main depiction of what America was shown to the world as bound us together. Jewish, Black and Hispanic kids that did not fit in the mold of what was represented formed a culture outside the bounds of what portrayed and created something so real.

Hip Hop in the late 70’s and early 80’s was about creating the party scene that wasn’t catering to everyone. The music clearly represented that fact. You had people of all races and ethnic backgrounds creating songs we call groundbreaking and classic. Songs like Rappers delight, the Rapture, The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel, Freedom, Break-dance – Electric Boogie, and others encompassed so many aspects of the different cultures that made hip hop so popular with the youths.

Granted there were lots of greats songs being made. But the greatness of the songs were due to their newness. It is like the first album is usually your favorite album of an artist. The first movie in a trilogy is usually considered the best. I don’t disagree with the music being great, but there was a lot less to choose from. I think that played a major role in things too.

Now the mid 80’s to the end of the decade was my favorite time. I know I am romanticizing the era because it was my teenage years, but so what. That was my greatest era for the music. It was hip-hop nonstop for me. I only had room for Jimi Hendrix. But other than that it was hip hop. Now during this time a new age was ushered in. Basically cause of Run DMC. It wasn’t so much about the sound or a dance, but now it was about the MC. The MC was supreme. LL, KRS-One, Big Daddy Kane, Steady B, and the entire Juice Crew, it was all about the MC. There is no denying how great of a time this was. But it influence in mainly dude to the quality and the newfound reach of the music across the globe. It was the foundation of hip-hop as we know it. This period was the blueprint for other regions to hear this new sound in a more accessible manner. The days of more music and less rap were ending. And the vocal power of the youth was screaming to be heard and it was. But not only were the kids listening so were the record label heads. Which began what I saw as the end of the music and the start of the hip hop industry?

The 90’s hip hop scene was arguably the greatest era. I disagree. I think the mid 80’s to the late 80’s was the golden age. The 90’s was just the mass commercialization of the scene as a whole. When gangster rap became the music of suburban southern cal boys and girls and NYC hardcore rappers were on Good Morning America it was clear to see Sprite commercials were just the beginning. The music didn’t suffer. There was tons of great music being made. Most of the best albums of the genre were being made at this time. However it was al formula driven that it lacked something. Take Nas for an example. Illmatic was a classic hip-hop album. It was pure inner city angst and reflective of the times. But by the time It Was Written dropped, the realness was loss for the façade of the game. Now it can be argued that It Was Written was better than Illmatic. I disagree. The showmanship that is all over IWW is overshadowed by Illmatic’s brilliance. The commercialization lent itself to probably what killed the 90’s. The dagger so to speak was the bling bling or the flossy aspect. It was something that was kicked off by NYC rappers like Nas, Biggie, LL, and Jay. It was then later picked up by Master P, Cash Money, and more and more groups all over the place. The trend still exists and hurt the game extremely.

The 2K hip hop scene might actually be the best. Because the music became so accessible thanks to napster and piracy. Sure a lot of junk has been put out, but the sheer volume of music thanks to how the mixtape game has change has given people more music to enjoy at a much faster rate. The days of hearing your favorite artist release a new song went from years to weeks. It the quality lost for quantity? Only the listener can say that. But I can say for myself that the opportunity to hear something new and dope every week makes this period damn cool.

So to wrap it up. I think saying it was better back in the day is not a truth. But I’m just one person.

I wrote a follow up to the blog post here..Hip Hop Fans Have To Be The Dumbest..

Bullshit, you don't have to be old to say hip hop was better back then. I'm only 30 and I got my teenage nephews borrowing all my old CD's because "today's music sucks" to quote them. My 13 year old nephew is in love with Illmatic and Live and Let Die by G. Rap and Polo. Quality over quantity imho. I don't care about hearing a new song from Nas every week if the shit is trash.
 
From '84 or '94 was the best era of hip hop... The reason... This is era when the DJ TRULY controlled Hip Hop... Once the labels got a hold of the DJs( radio DJs), it was ALL DOWNHILL... You didn't have to have skills anymore... all you needed was the connection.... :smh:
 
From '84 or '94 was the best era of hip hop... The reason... This is era when the DJ TRULY controlled Hip Hop... Once the labels got a hold of the DJs( radio DJs), it was ALL DOWNHILL... You didn't have to have skills anymore... all you needed was the connection.... :smh:
c/s...Also, once rap went white, it got whack real fucking fast! Black rappers got reduced to being fake ass thugs with no talent representing hip hop. It was the beginning of the end right there!
 
Bullshit, you don't have to be old to say hip hop was better back then. I'm only 30 and I got my teenage nephews borrowing all my old CD's because "today's music sucks" to quote them. My 13 year old nephew is in love with Illmatic and Live and Let Die by G. Rap and Polo. Quality over quantity imho. I don't care about hearing a new song from Nas every week if the shit is trash.

Co-Sign! My nephew surprised the shit out of me when he came in my house reciting Wu lyrics! I showed him the newest Rakim jawn that day and he asked,"Why can't rhyme more like this?" and I answered,"Not only is it difficult to do, but most rappers nowadays aren't even trying."
 
From '84 or '94 was the best era of hip hop... The reason... This is era when the DJ TRULY controlled Hip Hop... Once the labels got a hold of the DJs( radio DJs), it was ALL DOWNHILL... You didn't have to have skills anymore... all you needed was the connection.... :smh:

you always needed connections to get into the game. name one act that didn't have a connection.
 
Co-Sign! My nephew surprised the shit out of me when he came in my house reciting Wu lyrics! I showed him the newest Rakim jawn that day and he asked,"Why can't rhyme more like this?" and I answered,"Not only is it difficult to do, but most rappers nowadays aren't even trying."

why do all the rappers have to sound like rakim? lol, funny.
 
Scarface thinks so

"Scarface: Let me tell you what Hip-Hop is [and] let me tell you what Hip-Hop was.


Hip-Hop was The Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Lovebug Starski, and Kool Mo Dee—you know. Hip-Hop was LL Cool J and Whodini, and Run-D.M.C. Hip-Hop was Blastmaster KRS-One, D-Nice, Big Daddy Kane, Marley Marl, MC Shan and Biz Markie.


You was proud to go and buy a f***ing Ice-T record— “6’N The Morning,” “Doggin’ The Wax,” Power. You was proud to go and pick up A Tribe Called Quest or N.W.A. You was proud of an Ice Cube or Kool G Rap record. You was proud to own AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted; you was proud to own that s***. I agree that 2 Live Crew made a mark in Hip-Hop, you know. I believe that a lot of states in this country have dope MCs that made a huge impact on Hip-Hop. The minute it turned into a business and not a culture it became too watered down. The essence of Hip-Hop is not in the music anymore. The element of Hip-Hop is not in the music anymore."


http://www.allhiphop.com/stories/features/archive/2009/08/04/21876807.aspx
 
All I know is, I can still rock old school jams today and they still got the same flow they had back in the day!

They got shit out now that I could only play once or twice before I totally get sick of that shit completely.

Autotune is a PERFECT example!:puke:
 
All I know is, I can still rock old school jams today and they still got the same flow they had back in the day!

They got shit out now that I could only play once or twice before I totally get sick of that shit completely.

Autotune is a PERFECT example!:puke:

:yes::yes::yes:
 
it was more variety back in the day(as far as mainstream hip hop.) now, its repetitive and dumbed down to appeal to the 80's crack babies.
 
Scarface thinks so

"Scarface: Let me tell you what Hip-Hop is [and] let me tell you what Hip-Hop was.


Hip-Hop was The Sugar Hill Gang, Kurtis Blow, Lovebug Starski, and Kool Mo Dee—you know. Hip-Hop was LL Cool J and Whodini, and Run-D.M.C. Hip-Hop was Blastmaster KRS-One, D-Nice, Big Daddy Kane, Marley Marl, MC Shan and Biz Markie.


You was proud to go and buy a f***ing Ice-T record— “6’N The Morning,” “Doggin’ The Wax,” Power. You was proud to go and pick up A Tribe Called Quest or N.W.A. You was proud of an Ice Cube or Kool G Rap record. You was proud to own AmeriKKKa’s Most Wanted; you was proud to own that s***. I agree that 2 Live Crew made a mark in Hip-Hop, you know. I believe that a lot of states in this country have dope MCs that made a huge impact on Hip-Hop. The minute it turned into a business and not a culture it became too watered down. The essence of Hip-Hop is not in the music anymore. The element of Hip-Hop is not in the music anymore."


http://www.allhiphop.com/stories/features/archive/2009/08/04/21876807.aspx

That's his opinion. Dude is as stable as the Game mentally. But, his opinion has no bigger value to me. I see hip hop in all the genres. I can listen to all of it. I am not locked down to one style, region, or decade.
 
c/s...Also, once rap went white, it got whack real fucking fast! Black rappers got reduced to being fake ass thugs with no talent representing hip hop. It was the beginning of the end right there!

Could you clarify what you mean by that? Because The Beastie Boys, Rick Rubin, and even 3rd Bass played a significant part in the development of hip-hop. I don't think it was a black/white thing, but a class thing.
 
it was more variety back in the day(as far as mainstream hip hop.) now, its repetitive and dumbed down to appeal to the 80's crack babies.

twista, lupe, mister fab, jay, 3stacs, TI, wayne.... that sounds like variety to me. Who forces you to listen to that music? I actually choose what I hear.
 
c/s Variety is the spice of life. :yes::dance::dance:

MAN the 90s were so jam packed with so many different styles, expressions, & creativity.

That selection of variety is what really sets the early to mid 90s apart in my eyes...Sure things started to head downhill towards the late 90s, but I would still take albums that came out in '99 over most current ones in '09
 
twista, lupe, mister fab, jay, 3stacs, TI, wayne.... that sounds like variety to me. Who forces you to listen to that music? I actually choose what I hear.

90s had:

NWA
Souls of Mischief
KRS-1
The Roots
EPMD
Biggie
ATCQ
Leaders of the New School
Das EFX
Busta
Pac
Nas
Etc, etc.

Cats who all could spit but had very distinct different respectable styles...
 
To each his own...but the 90s had way more variety which I loved.

Really?

In the 80's we had

Gangsta Rap
Conscious Rap
Dance Rap
XXX Rap
Hippy Rap
Lyricism Rap
Songs Human Beat Boxes

We also had More B-Boys,
Lyrically Nice Female Emcees
More Graffiti on Trains (In NYC At lease)
and WAY MORE BLOCK PARTIES.

KRS and NWA were 80's.
 
That's his opinion. Dude is as stable as the Game mentally. But, his opinion has no bigger value to me. I see hip hop in all the genres. I can listen to all of it. I am not locked down to one style, region, or decade.

He has his and you have yours.

But you have to be blind to think that there isn't a difference. Shit these young dudes don't hide the fact that they don't even TRY to be dope!

The 90's had mad different styles and shit.

I could rock Blackmoon one day and Eight the next. I could go from Paris to the BoogieMonsters.
 
Bullshit, you don't have to be old to say hip hop was better back then. I'm only 30 and I got my teenage nephews borrowing all my old CD's because "today's music sucks" to quote them. My 13 year old nephew is in love with Illmatic and Live and Let Die by G. Rap and Polo. Quality over quantity imho. I don't care about hearing a new song from Nas every week if the shit is trash.

well anecodotal evidence is just that. I'm 28 and my nephew is 12 and he's die hard snap music. he fux with solja boy heavy. he won't do skinny jeans or nothing but he likes that kinda music - he fux with the new boys and they "jerk" song. he fux with the cool kids.

he'll listen to my shit and shrug and be like, "what's that like old music from the 90s?"

neither of our nephews is evidence as to whether which era's music is better. older heads always hate new music because it represents more than new music - it represents time passing - and it represents the passing of the time when the thing they fucked with was cool. also older heads conveniently forget all the bad music that came out at the time of their youth.

i remember kriss kross - that was not good music. i remember kwame - i had to be like 8 years old. that was gimmicky even to me back then - not great music. that's not including all the one hit wonder acts that were hot for a minute that we'll never remember.

you can't hold onto illmatic and then say it represented an era of phenomenal music and ignore another bad creation.

that's why this question has no answer. you like what you like - who cares if it's better or worse than something else?
 
Really?

In the 80's we had

Gangsta Rap
Conscious Rap
Dance Rap
XXX Rap
Hippy Rap
Lyricism Rap
Songs Human Beat Boxes

We also had More B-Boys,
Lyrically Nice Female Emcees
More Graffiti on Trains (In NYC At lease)
and WAY MORE BLOCK PARTIES.

KRS and NWA were 80's.

90's had tha same shit but WAY MORE HOUSE PARTIES
 
twista, lupe, mister fab, jay, 3stacs, TI, wayne.... that sounds like variety to me. Who forces you to listen to that music? I actually choose what I hear.

you missed the part where i said mainstream. 3stacks aint do nothing new in a minute. lupe is not appealing to the dumbed down youngsters. twista is here and there. jay aint jay no more. he dumbed down his shit too. TI is in jail.

you confusing me, a grown man who chooses what he listens to, to a little kid who listens to the radio all day and forced fed to listened to what i think is bullshit.

i was talking about the situation rather than talking about waht i listen to.
 
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