Got One Question For Braves Fans
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bobby cox need to get fired he has fucked up alot this year regarding substituting players. as a braves fan and a blue jays fan cito gasten has owned bobby cox in knowing how to manage a team and bobby cox was cito's mentor.
...the management of games in baseball never ceases to amaze me...too many managers just follow what everyone else does or the way its always been done....If you're in a close game, up 1 or maybe down 1, and in the 6th or 7th , the other team loads the bases, why not bring in your closer there to put out the fire and keep it close and winnable in the last few innings....What good does having your closer available in the 9th do you when you're now down 3 or 4 runs??...And why is it that a closer can't get more than 3 outs...why can't he pitch the 8th and 9th...like all the old skool closers did....Most teams now have a setup guy for the closer....So if your closer pitches 2 innings today, why not let the set up guy be the closer in tomorrows game...Baseball is a great game but makes no sense sometimes...
YES, they shouldnt have went by the book in the 9th. it was about MOMENTUM. the braves had the sox on the ropes, dont give them life by bringing in, and i quote the announcers after the game "your 4th best relief pitcher." i mean, the game is ON THE LINE in the bottom of the 9th. a loss like that can mess up the young braves....the management of games in baseball never ceases to amaze me...too many managers just follow what everyone else does or the way its always been done....If you're in a close game, up 1 or maybe down 1, and in the 6th or 7th , the other team loads the bases, why not bring in your closer there to put out the fire and keep it close and winnable in the last few innings....What good does having your closer available in the 9th do you when you're now down 3 or 4 runs??...And why is it that a closer can't get more than 3 outs...why can't he pitch the 8th and 9th...like all the old skool closers did....Most teams now have a setup guy for the closer....So if your closer pitches 2 innings today, why not let the set up guy be the closer in tomorrows game...Baseball is a great game but makes no sense sometimes...
cox never been a x and o manager. he is the phil jackson of baseball, he got by with smoltz, glavine and maddox, and the braves used to SPEND money on a big bat. when its crunch time, cox...
I think Atlanta management has the same problem Penn State has. You want to go in a new direction yet you feel you have to remain loyal to someone who's been a fixture with your organzation for decades.
oh if that's the case then the braves are in bad shape they are in serious need of a management change. If the yankees can fire joe torre who won 4 world series titles for them and bobby cox has only won 1 title after winning 14 straight division titles and 1 championship to show for it
. cox needs to go.
exactly whats going on, hanging on. i love cox, dont get me wrong, the problem is he isnt a good fit for SCRUBS. the braves are not fundamental on defense, nor can they manufacture runs. whens the LAST time you seen a braves player successfully bunt somebody over.
i dont care what other teams do, if you dont have big boppers, the pitchers and lower order got to learn how to move runners over. glad to see francouer was benched today, i didnt see him come up in those crucial spots like he always do. anyway, they either got to get cox something to work with or find a new manager.exactly whats going on, hanging on. i love cox, dont get me wrong, the problem is he isnt a good fit for SCRUBS. the braves are not fundamental on defense, nor can they manufacture runs. whens the LAST time you seen a braves player successfully bunt somebody over.
jeff francoeur has really disappointed me he was suppose to had fixed all his problems atleast that's what I had thought when the season first started. I remember them saying he changed his batting stance and everything and he still swings at just about every pitch he sees.
I heard they tried to trade him last week to the marlins for cody ross but the marlins rejected the trade. now if another team don't even want you then that's sad his career is slowly ending seems like it and I think he is only signed through this year with the braves.
who is cody ross? anyway, francouer looks like he is swinging a golf club. he has got to be traded for SOMETHING. a 7th round draft choice and some biscuits should get it done.
Bobby Cox will leave when HE decides to...Braves will never fire him...Should have been let go a few years ago when all the vets left and they went with the young players....Cox would never bring in anybody that will challenge HIM, i.e. outspoken Black players, and anyone even borderline played 1 or 2 seasons and moved on...and its those type players that will get you over the top....Brings in Garrett Anderson at 37 to do what??....you aren't going to win in crunchtime when your best players are 2 40 year olds...Anderson and Chipper ....Cox still thinks he can win with that 90's philosophy, the game has changed.....time for the Braves to bring in a totally different philosophy.
who is cody ross? anyway, francouer looks like he is swinging a golf club. he has got to be traded for SOMETHING. a 7th round draft choice and some biscuits should get it done.
cody ross this is his profile http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5404
he is good look at his stats I guess that's why they rejected the trade cause getting francoeur wouldn't have been a upgrade from him.
What philosophy would that be?
I wish they would just continue the farm system concept and pull those players from the minors and make a FEW big acquisitions via free agency...
They do need a good closer...Even though they ousted Smoltz (wtf) and told Glavine he couldn't come back
they have to get someone to back up Lowe...He can't be the only ace in the squad and the most reliable pitcher at all times...Otherwise they will never surpass NYM and Philly
A more aggressive approach to the game....Cox is a conservative manager, with conservative players...They play to keep the games close, but lack the clutch players to win those close games....Chipper is the only baller on the team and he's far past his prime, and can't stay healthy...great player though, one of my all time favorites.
exactly. the braves are allergic to brothers on the team.
im not making this a racist issue, just, quoting jeff francouer's favorite line " it is what it is". they REFUSE to bring in players with the intangibles. look, when they got rid of edgar renteria, i knew they wasnt serious about winning. people point out that the braves got jurrgens for renteria. ok, but u cant replace the CLUTCH hitting renteria gave you. he faultered a little bit in detroit, but whose to say he wouldve done that if he stayed in atlanta. another big thing that braves fans say under their breath, but dont wanna admit: GARY SHEFFIELD was there for the taking in the off season. the mets SCOOPED him up with the quickness. the mets and philadelphia arent afraid of the brothers being on the team. they are not afraid of a LEGIT speed guy at leadoff. they braves have no winners on the team outside of mccann. chipper as everybody knows, never wanted to be the leader. chipper is the man, i have no problem with him, but he is the ONLY bargaining chip the braves have since they dont wanna spend money on free agents. chipper could bring them a bat and PROSPECTS. look at how they let texas gut their farm system with the texeiria trade. the braves need to return the favor to another club by restocking with a chipper trade.
They pretty much got rid of the speed & defense in the past two years (Furcal & A. Jones) and the hitting (strategically) has been AWOL longer than that IMO.
If there was a Carl Crawford out there for the Braves to get, then that would be a step in the right direction. They need a speed guy in the 2 or 3 slot or a good leadoff man.
Truth....I think he is underrated as far as who are the top players in the league...Most baseball fans go for one end or the other on the offensive side whether for HRs (A-Rod, Pujols, Howard) or for average (Ichiro)
Chipper has been one that has had the balance for most of his career...I think that he's been the guy to do it in the past before guys like Mauer came on recently.
Cox has used plenty of Black players over the years, he just never held on to them to WIN the big games for him....through the 90's and up to the last few years...he had Pendleton, Grissom, Gant, Justice, McGriff, Otis Nixon, Prime Time, Kenny Lofton, Andruw Jones, Brian Jordan, Sheffield, Furcal, Franco, Jermaine Dye...there were plenty of Black players that came thru but never stayed for long here....and pretty much all of these guys produced.
1st ballot HOF'er, no question, carried the Braves for many years when there was no help in lineup.