An idea for the political forum

[actinanass]

Hey que, why not get with HNIC, and see if we can have a sub-forum dedicated to user opinion threads? No article threads, just straight from the heart politics, and debate about the issues. A more informal setting than the current politics forum. Just a thought...

 

[QueEx]

Thats what this board is. Everyone is free to post his/her opinions,
and those opinions are protected by the Rules of the Board.

What is it that you don't like with the articles that are posted ???

Do they take they not in many cases add to, clarify or help refine
the understanding of the issues ???

I'm not saying your idea is bad and I don't want to nix it; but before
we start something new, we should examine whats wrong with the
existing and look to see how the new will improve or hinder what
were trying to do.

QueEx


P.S.

Is what you're really telling us is that you don't read articles;
and that your opinions are just uninformed musings ???

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[BigUnc]

I don't know for sure but maybe what he's talking about is a more office cooler or bar room type atmosphere. Free flowing probably is a better way to say it.

Don't we get our political leanings from a lot of different sources? Some of which aren't conducive to posting articles.

You can call them musings,but doesn't a persons own perception of what's wrong with his/her environment and what needs to be done to correct those perceptions influence greatly a persons politics?

Having said that maybe there's a perception the political board is too academic.

I wouldn't mind a happy medium somewhere between the bar room brawls on the main board and the sometimes cold, dissertations on this side.

Just my aimless, contemplative musings on the subject

 

[actinanass]

Thats what this board is. Everyone is free to post his/her opinions,
and those opinions are protected by the Rules of the Board.

What is it that you don't like with the articles that are posted ???

Do they take they not in many cases add to, clarify or help refine
the understanding of the issues ???

I'm not saying your idea is bad and I don't want to nix it; but before
we start something new, we should examine whats wrong with the
existing and look to see how the new will improve or hinder what
were trying to do.

QueEx


P.S.

Is what you're really telling us is that you don't read articles;
and that your opinions are just uninformed musings ???

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I read articles all the time. I'm just saying a sub forum dedicated to users opinion threads.

The problem with how this is constructed right now is that some opinion pieces get caught up with the current events post. Not to mention, it would be easier to do a consistency check on people...*like me lol*

I just thought it would be a good idea to have a sub forum that do not have to always follow the current events. Somewhere I, thought, lamarr, ect can make something similar to editorials on a newspaper.


Just a THOUGHT...

 

[actinanass]

I don't know for sure but maybe what he's talking about is a more office cooler or bar room type atmosphere. Free flowing probably is a better way to say it.

Don't we get our political leanings from a lot of different sources? Some of which aren't conducive to posting articles.

You can call them musings,but doesn't a persons own perception of what's wrong with his/her environment and what needs to be done to correct those perceptions influence greatly a persons politics?

Having said that maybe there's a perception the political board is too academic.

I wouldn't mind a happy medium somewhere between the bar room brawls on the main board and the sometimes cold, dissertations on this side.

Just my aimless, contemplative musings on the subject

exactly!

 

[BigUnc]

I read articles all the time. I'm just saying a sub forum dedicated to users opinion threads.

The problem with how this is constructed right now is that some opinion pieces get caught up with the current events post. Not to mention, it would be easier to do a consistency check on people...*like me lol*

I just thought it would be a good idea to have a sub forum that do not have to always follow the current events. Somewhere I, thought, lamarr, ect can make something similar to editorials on a newspaper.


Just a THOUGHT...

Good idea! I'm for a dedicated OP/ED sub-forum. It could be used for aspiring bloggers/political writers to hone their skills.

 

[bigirl]

Is what you're really telling us is that you don't read articles;
and that your opinions are just uninformed musings ???

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[QueEx]

Good idea! I'm for a dedicated OP/ED sub-forum. It could be used for aspiring bloggers/political writers to hone their skills.

You're too obvious hoss; you're FOR anything you think I'm AGAINST.

QueEx

 

[Lamarr]

I'll go for the office cooler sub-forum or keep it here. I like kickin it here.

 

[BigUnc]

You're too obvious hoss; you're FOR anything you think I'm AGAINST.

QueEx

Sure bro Thought you we're leaning towards it. You trying to start a beef or something......sike

I see it as dude trying to liven up the joint but if folk is ok with how it is I'll roll with it.

 

[thoughtone]

Hey que, why not get with HNIC, and see if we can have a sub-forum dedicated to user opinion threads? No article threads, just straight from the heart politics, and debate about the issues. A more informal setting than the current politics forum. Just a thought...

This has got to be one of you dumbest statements. You can post your opinions here, which are NOT your opinions but what you parrot from some republican marching orders source. You believe what you believe, because you want to believe it. Personally, I want to be swayed by facts. I am seeking the truth and the best way to see things as best as I can, constantly challenging my own human biases. I trust myself to be able to read Op Ed articles and filter through the opinions to extract the facts. Ass, you are obviously not a person that likes to read. You rather have a “news” source filter information and package it in a form which is easy for you to digest. I think you are typical of many young people and many older people, especially those from the south. If you can’t hang in the debate game, don’t try and change the rules. Get smarter!

 

[Lamarr]

This has got to be one of you dumbest statements.

There yall go!

Personally, I want to be swayed by facts. I am seeking the truth and the best way to see things as best as I can, constantly challenging my own human biases.

Keep reading MY posts, follow-up on them at your leisure

If you can’t hang in the debate game, don’t try and change the rules. Get smarter!

no one is proposing to 'change' the rules, just relax the rules to test our skills to sway opinion without citings from Worldnetdaily or Huffington Post - Sounds fair enough. You know we look forward to your posts Thoughtone!

 

[QueEx]

So that everyone will know:

I'm not opposed to altering this Board or creating another one that meets a serious demand. The question is: is anyone prevented from posting blog-ops in this forum as it now stands ??? Who/when has someone been denied that opportunity ???​

QueEx

 

[bigirl]

You can post your opinions here, which are NOT your opinions but what you parrot from some republican marching orders source. You believe what you believe, because you want to believe it. Get smarter!

 

[thoughtone]

no one is proposing to 'change' the rules, just relax the rules to test our skills to sway opinion without citings from Worldnetdaily or Huffington Post - Sounds fair enough. You know we look forward to your posts Thoughtone!

You are mister contraction. If you relax the rules, you change them, you have strange word play. Opinions are opinions. I want to see where opinions come from so I can fact check and see foot notes.

 

[thoughtone]

So that everyone will know:

I'm not opposed to altering this Board or creating another one that meets a serious demand. The question is: is anyone prevented from posting blog-ops in this forum as it now stands ??? Who/when has someone been denied that opportunity ???​

QueEx

You mean post facts? We would need another board for that because you can't do that here!

 

[BigUnc]

You are mister contraction. If you relax the rules, you change them, you have strange word play. Opinions are opinions. I want to see where opinions come from so I can fact check and see foot notes.

bruh you can't fact check an individuals personal thought's on what path they took to arrive at a certain veiwpoint. It's akin to the 2 people looking at the same accident thingy.

Who's the fact finder on bgol's political board?
When someone posts an news article or opinion piece I see it as supporting evidence favoring the slant of the poster not an ironclad fact per se.

No one has responded to QueEx question about who has been stopped from doing this under the current framework.

Soooooooo let the rants begin.

 

[Lamarr]

You are mister contraction. If you relax the rules, you change them, you have strange word play. Opinions are opinions. I want to see where opinions come from so I can fact check and see foot notes.

Did you mean contradiction?

OK, check it out, say Pres. Obama & I agree on an issue like the Defense of Marriage Act. Why should I have to post a link to his article just because mine is unpublished? My opinion, & all others that post here, should be good enough to be taken at face value and then be discussed like grown folk, thats all

Just my 2 cents, QueEx, U the boss though

 

[Blu Diablo]

OP, while I can see the reasoning behind you post, do you really want debate based solely on opinion?

That's a fools argument (not calling you a fool, but debating an issue without using facts is indeed a fool's argument).

Op/Ed pieces work in environments where the is limited response/feedback, not so much in an environment where responses are almost real time with the added capability of being able to support a point with facts almost simultaneously.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a staunch advocate of free speech but this section of the board never seemed the place for knee jerk reactions.

 

[t0k3]

I see opinions not backed by links on here all the time.
I'm not opposed to the OP's idea but I don't think we need a sub-forum for that.
Just my 2 lincolns.

 

[actinanass]

So that everyone will know:

I'm not opposed to altering this Board or creating another one that meets a serious demand. The question is: is anyone prevented from posting blog-ops in this forum as it now stands ??? Who/when has someone been denied that opportunity ???​

QueEx

Its not about someone "preventing" post. Its about a forum dedicated to Op-eds.

Something I rather do than finding an article that agrees with my politics... Like thought do...

 

[actinanass]

OP, while I can see the reasoning behind you post, do you really want debate based solely on opinion?

That's a fools argument (not calling you a fool, but debating an issue without using facts is indeed a fool's argument).

Op/Ed pieces work in environments where the is limited response/feedback, not so much in an environment where responses are almost real time with the added capability of being able to support a point with facts almost simultaneously.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a staunch advocate of free speech but this section of the board never seemed the place for knee jerk reactions.

I tend to write my opinion pieces from reading various articles. When I first started my opinion posts, I didn't think it was important to cite where I was getting my opinions from. However, now I see the importance of it because there are people on this forum that thinks if one conservative idea comes on this board, then you are a robot. With that being said, I think it would be fruitful for this forum to have a sub-forum, where you can just speak from the heart about issues. While speaking from the heart, have articles to back you up *as links of course* as cited information.

 

[thoughtone]

bruh you can't fact check an individuals personal thought's on what path they took to arrive at a certain veiwpoint. It's akin to the 2 people looking at the same accident thingy.

Who's the fact finder on bgol's political board?
When someone posts an news article or opinion piece I see it as supporting evidence favoring the slant of the poster not an ironclad fact per se.

No one has responded to QueEx question about who has been stopped from doing this under the current framework.
Soooooooo let the rants begin.

I agree because no one has.

 

[actinanass]

I agree because no one has.

I did.

I stated from the start that it's not about anyone preventing another person from doing an opinion piece. My problem with the current setup is that opinion pieces would get dominated by current events threads. That's why I feel that there needs to be a sub-forum strictly for opinion posts.

 

[thoughtone]

Did you mean contradiction?

OK, check it out, say Pres. Obama & I agree on an issue like the Defense of Marriage Act. Why should I have to post a link to his article just because mine is unpublished? My opinion, & all others that post here, should be good enough to be taken at face value and then be discussed like grown folk, thats all

Just my 2 cents, QueEx, U the boss though

Yes, I did mean contradiction. You don't have to post any links to anything, or you can post a link to something. If I post links, you don’t have to read them, or you can read them. Maybe libertarians are overwhelmed by choices.

 

[VegasGuy]

Yeah I get it. A place for him and his redstate buddies to test new right wing hate material before spring it on other hate blogs. This way he could say it's had credibility because it was first mentioned on a "black" forum and the lefties did what lefties do. Ha ha ha ha and shit. Some old school keyes type shenanigans.

-VG

 

[thoughtone]

OP, while I can see the reasoning behind you post, do you really want debate based solely on opinion?

That's a fools argument (not calling you a fool, but debating an issue without using facts is indeed a fool's argument).

Op/Ed pieces work in environments where the is limited response/feedback, not so much in an environment where responses are almost real time with the added capability of being able to support a point with facts almost simultaneously.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a staunch advocate of free speech but this section of the board never seemed the place for knee jerk reactions.

Opinion is just your opinion, if that makes sense. You can say the moon is made out of cheese. That is your opinion. Obviously it is not factual, but you have right to your opinion. If you want to talk because you have no one with you to have a conversion with, then by all means opine.

 

[thoughtone]

Yeah I get it. A place for him and his redstate buddies to test new right wing hate material before spring it on other hate blogs. This way he could say it's had credibility because it was first mentioned on a "black" forum and the lefties did what lefties do. Ha ha ha ha and shit. Some old school keyes type shenanigans.

-VG

You know, I wonder how many posters here are paid to post. I understand the republicans are doing that a lot. A lot of the GOP talking points and style are repeated here verbatim.

 

[VegasGuy]

You know, I wonder how many posters here are paid to post. I understand the republicans are doing that a lot. A lot of the GOP talking points and style are repeated here verbatim.

Verbatim!!

-VG

 

[actinanass]

Yes, I did mean contradiction. You don't have to post any links to anything, or you can post a link to something. If I post links, you don’t have to read them, or you can read them. Maybe libertarians are overwhelmed by choices.

I'm not saying make op-eds without posting cited information.

Yeah I get it. A place for him and his redstate buddies to test new right wing hate material before spring it on other hate blogs. This way he could say it's had credibility because it was first mentioned on a "black" forum and the lefties did what lefties do. Ha ha ha ha and shit. Some old school keyes type shenanigans.

-VG

You know you can write op-eds too, right?

Opinion is just your opinion, if that makes sense. You can say the moon is made out of cheese. That is your opinion. Obviously it is not factual, but you have right to your opinion. If you want to talk because you have no one with you to have a conversion with, then by all means opine.

So what's your problem with making a sub-forum?

You know, I wonder how many posters here are paid to post. I understand the republicans are doing that a lot. A lot of the GOP talking points and style are repeated here verbatim.

I just find it funny that if someone disagrees with your politics, you are the first to try to discredit them. That's thoughtone for ya!!!

BTW, you can post an op-ed too. I'm sure most of everyone would agree with you anyway. I mean, since you do follow the Obama-esque talking points. *see I can do the same thing....*

 

[BigUnc]

I did.

I stated from the start that it's not about anyone preventing another person from doing an opinion piece. My problem with the current setup is that opinion pieces would get dominated by current events threads. That's why I feel that there needs to be a sub-forum strictly for opinion posts.

How about trying it to see what happens. If it takes off and gets a following then you can revisit having a dedicated OP/ED forum.

 

[Costanza]

It's funny/odd/sad how formal published articles are being equated with facts in this thread, as if they are one and the same and totally independent of opinion. Some posters seem to treat them as individual Bibles from the tone of this thread.

But I agree there's no need for an entirely new forum as this one could serve the same function...

 

[t0k3]

It's funny/odd/sad how formal published articles are being equated with facts in this thread, as if they are one and the same and totally independent of opinion. Some posters seem to treat them as individual Bibles from the tone of this thread.

But I agree there's no need for an entirely new forum as this one could serve the same function...

I approve this message.
Finally a voice of reason.

 

[QueEx]

But I agree there's no need for an entirely new forum as this one could serve the same function...

Better stated: this one "Does" serve the same function. Everytime one of us opens our mouth (or use our fingers) an opinion rolls out ready for somoeone else to agree, disagree, agree in part and disagree in part or -- ignore it. If someone wants to show off their prose skills, like Nike: Just do it! Whether they are well written or they violate all the known rules of english, opinions roll on this board, all day every day.

In addition to the opinion, articles of interest, some to provoke thougth, some because they support a particular view or proposition, and others because they disagree with a view or proposition, are posted in this forum. Some people enjoy reading, others do not. Apparently, from some of the comment, some people can read with comprehension; others, well, cannot.


Now, who's going to write the first of these "new style" (LOL) opinon pieces ???

Let us see what they look like.



QueEx

 

[QueEx]

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P.S.

What I'd like to see is posters taking the articles and tearing them apart. Just ripping them open to see what, "if any", facts are actually contained in them. Examining them to see if the conclusions reached therein are supported by any facts, or just more opinion.

I see people on these boards attacking articles because they come from Fox, Huff, WND, Jones, etc, etc. Without question, some websources have a definite bent - - but not every article or spoken word contains that bent. The question is: can one actually find and show why the article is biased or even, wrong ??? If you can do that, you're well past "op/ed" -- you're on the way to enlightenment.

QueEx

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