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you do recall that the unit we're discussing rallied back from a deficit to get the lead, right?
you do recall that the unit we're discussing rallied back from a deficit to get the lead, right?
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true....DESPITE Miller. why not have Alston in there to give you that extra defensive edge and scoring threat? The team has played with him for 4 months. He needs to be in there.
true....DESPITE Miller. why not have Alston in there to give you that extra defensive edge and scoring threat? The team has played with him for 4 months. He needs to be in there.
The Magic already have their fishing boat gassed up. This series is over next game.
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black mamba rules all.
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DEREK FISHER!!!!!!!!!!!
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this particular argument sounds like tuesday morning quarterbacking though.
that squad got the magic back in the game and acquired the lead.
if coach van gundy did make an error, i don't believe the error was in keeping jameer nelson on the floor. i think the error may have been not preparing his team defensively coming out of the time out with a 3 point lead.
whether coach van gundy elects to foul or not, it was pretty clear that the magic were caught COMPLETELY off guard by derek fisher pushing the ball up the floor. the magic were thinking that the fakers were going to take their time and run a play for the last shot.
this particular argument sounds like tuesday morning quarterbacking though.
that squad got the magic back in the game and acquired the lead.
if coach van gundy did make an error, i don't believe the error was in keeping jameer nelson on the floor. i think the error may have been not preparing his team defensively coming out of the time out with a 3 point lead.
whether coach van gundy elects to foul or not, it was pretty clear that the magic were caught COMPLETELY off guard by derek fisher pushing the ball up the floor. the magic were thinking that the fakers were going to take their time and run a play for the last shot.
@ this thread! Y'all mofos are wild. I don't have a horse in this race, but I'd caution the Laker fans to slow it down a little. You don't win the title until you win 4 games. Orlando, will come out firing on all cylinders in Game 5... I think they'll get the win. Plus, the Magic have shown that they can play well enough to win in LA, so if they can get Game 6... we all know anything can happen in Game 7. I know it sounds far-fetched, but you never know... just ask the '07 Patriots.
I see your point there. James is more introverted than Kobe is, but he also is more inclusive (as you said). I don't want him to be an authoritarian type dude because that feeds into an exclusive manner/attitude that I despise in a team-oriented game
Yes they were capable of beating the Magic. And all they had to do was win at home. All the Cavs had to do was win at home.
Past few years? Stop repeating the hype.
Both teams feature different rosters and coaches.
Different rosters over the "past few years."
C'mon man.
I'm talking about this year. The Cavs are 1-0 versus the Magic at home, this year. And were less Jameer Nelson for that series.
And they proved they were capable of beating Orlando on the court, throughout the series. They just couldn't seal the deal.
Bottom line.
Here is where I disagree with you...
A lot of people thought the Cavs would beat the Magic due to their overall play in the season and their eight straight wins against Detroit (who got in by default) and Atlanta (who went through the most unusual seven game series ever) and their near flawless home record. People bought too much into that...However, Orlando had a great road record in the reg. season, and in the playoffs.
All the Cavs had to do was win at home? Against the Magic? Remember that Orlando closed the previous two series on the road, and they beat the Celtics twice on their home floor. So even with the Cavs having just two losses at home before that series, a lot of pressure was still on them to win at home, because a) the Magic were a great road team regardless of who they played, and b) while the Cavs were 39-2 at home in the reg. season, they were 27-14 on the road...and they got destroyed by the Magic early in the season on the road as well AND lost by double digits in the 2nd game at Amway...So they sure were capable of beating Orlando this year...That one win at home by Cleveland was a close game that the Magic could have pulled out...
It's one thing to hold home court...but to be a title winning team, you have to be able to win on the road. Hell, the Celtics were able to do that just three times last year, and look what it got them. I don't remember any team winning a title going unbeaten at home...
Dude, stop inhaling da nutz, cause you and I both know the Lakers wont be shit if it wasn't for a few lucky breaks, 1- the Gasol robbery,2- them getting Fisher for nothing,3- Ariza, and 4-Bynum developing into the player that he is!
I rode with your motherfuckers when yall were crying that Kobe don't have no players, while getting bumped 4 strait to the Suns. But now the deck is once again stacked in yall favor, now yall trying to make it seem like its all Kobe, and all those fucken player moves don't mean shit!
I live in LA went to school there(big up to Dorsey high and Audubon Jr High), so the true Laker fans, I give them propz, but you bitch as man worshiping fagots, yall mother fuckers got to go!
You know they hire people (GM) to do this right? This isn't random, Kobe put his CAREER on the line for his what did Lebron do to get the right guys around him?
1. Lebron's ppg takes a hit, not happening.
2. Assists don't win champions or sell floor seats ask Steve Nash and Stockton about that.
3. If you don't have the ability to pull up and knock it down the other center can wait until the last second to help and now he is covering more ground than if they have someone pull him out of the post. Also other people start rotating down to your big man and then stealing the passes stripping him etc.
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Man, WTF are you talking about now, J.A.?
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That was the defining moment of the series....think on it.
It sure was...I'll def. c/s on that
Les W said:
1. James ppg won't take much of a hit, plus he'd rather be a 24/7/7 being proactive/aggressive than a 32/4/5 being reactive/passive on his skill set. He was never built to be a volume scorer...
2. Assists can win championships and sell floor seats, just ask Magic Johnson. Nash is just a complete liabilty on defense (Magic was at times but not like Nash is) and Stockton could be nullified by a PG with a post game or is faster than he is.
3. Ilgauskas had the ability to do that and Howard still wouldn't come out to guard him. He stayed in the lane on defense and constantly left Z open whether Z was knocking down shots or not.
Oh yall though I was referring to Oscar Palmer Robertson who played for the Royals and the Bucks? Naw I was talking about Oscar 'loose wrist' Robinson who played for the Granville Shoemakers in 1955-62 he averaged a triple double in 1958- ten turnovers, ten points, and ten fouls (they were allowed 11 back then.)
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I had no idea wtf they were doing in that possession because it seemed like they screwed that up bad. They were thrown off by Fish pushing the ball up, but why did Nelson leave Fish to give him the opportunity to push the ball up the court?
Even if they were going to foul, most likely it would have been the moment they crossed half court. By the time Fish got there Nelson was still trying to get to him. So my thing is this: If Van Gundy did tell his guys to foul, why did they pressure the ball handler in the back court with a double team AND have Nelson cheat over if the in-bounder got the ball back? That should just be a one-on-one situation, especially given what happened at the end of regulation of Game 2.
I had no idea wtf they were doing in that possession because it seemed like they screwed that up bad. They were thrown off by Fish pushing the ball up, but why did Nelson leave Fish to give him the opportunity to push the ball up the court?
Even if they were going to foul, most likely it would have been the moment they crossed half court. By the time Fish got there Nelson was still trying to get to him. So my thing is this: If Van Gundy did tell his guys to foul, why did they pressure the ball handler in the back court with a double team AND have Nelson cheat over if the in-bounder got the ball back? That should just be a one-on-one situation, especially given what happened at the end of regulation of Game 2.
How long did it take you to look this up? nice try, trying to save face though. I'll give you that
Oh yall though I was referring to Oscar Palmer Robertson who played for the Royals and the Bucks? Naw I was talking about Oscar 'loose wrist' Robinson who played for the Granville Shoemakers in 1955-62 he averaged a triple double in 1958- ten turnovers, ten points, and ten fouls (they were allowed 11 back then.)
Exactly. And that's where the line in the sand is drawn. Either you can appreciate Kobe being the type of leader that he is, or you're turned away by it.
The Lakers supporting roster is far from superior. There are at least 5 NBA teams (not the Cavs but the Magic) with superior supporting casts.
Each and every player supporting Kobe has major flaws in their game. If you were to break them down on an individual basis.
And this is my personal analysis.
Agree to disagree on this particular point.
You've stated some facts but let's observe the "regular season" series of LA vs. Orlando (0-2) if you want to bring that into the equation.
The Cavs weren't the Celts or the 76ers. And the Cavs swept road victories in the playoffs leading up to this series. Which you've stated.
They were very capable of beating Orlando in a seven game series. And I still believe that supporting cast escape clause is bogus.
Dumb ass, did you draw it? If not, you looked the pic up. Geesh
Agreed on this point. And I think that many (including myself) are turned away by that type of leadership. Sets a bad example IMO.
At least five? Other than the Celtics and Magic, I can't think of any others (Spurs?) so that one is debatable...
Yeah we're gonna end up disagreeing on this point
If I bought that 2-0 season series into the equation in more detail, then I'd have it like the 1-2 season series by the Cavs against the Magic. The Cavs only beat Orlando by four, so the Magic had a shot to win those games...In turn the Magic beat the Lakers by four and six, respectively, so the Lakers may have had their shot to win those games as well.
You're right, the Cavs weren't the Celts or the 76ers, and the Cavs swept road victories in the previous 2 series. But opposite of that, the Sixers and Celtics series ended up being much tougher because they had more than one person leading the way in different games...LeBron led his team in scoring in every game against the Magic in that series, and it was by a large margin. Orlando didn't have to worry about anyone else like against Philly (with Iguodala and Miller) or Boston (with Pierce, Allen, and Rondo) as a scoring threat. Williams was supposed to be that dude, but he scored over 20 points only once (Game 5) and was basically MIA the rest of the way.
Alright man. Good points by both sides. So we're down to this one.
I have:
Houston Rockets - minus TMac or, and I stress 'or,' Yao Ming.
San Antonio Spurs - minus Tony Parker
Boston Celtics - minus KG.
Utah Jazz - minus DWill.
Washington Wizards - minus Agent Zero.
Indiana Pacers - minus Dunleavy (proven by reg season victory).
Phoenix Suns - minus Steve Nash.
Denver - minus Melo is debatable.
With these supporting casts, minus their superstar, I'm beating the Lakers without Kobe Bryant in a seven game series.
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they did NOT intend to foul.
they were going to play straight up, based upon the faulty premise that the fakers were going to play last-shot half-court basketball.
when derek fisher pushed the ball (whether through improvisation or planned by coach jackson), it threw coach van gundy's D set completely out the window. i don't fault jameer nelson, because again, the plan went out the window and he was caught by surprise.
they did NOT intend to foul.
they were going to play straight up, based upon the faulty premise that the fakers were going to play last-shot half-court basketball.
when derek fisher pushed the ball (whether through improvisation or planned by coach jackson), it threw coach van gundy's D set completely out the window. i don't fault jameer nelson, because again, the plan went out the window and he was caught by surprise.
Okay we both agreed on the Celtics, Magic and Spurs, now on to the other ones...
Rockets without T-Mac (because I'll keep out the SGs in this matchup) would be good, but beating the Lakers? Up in the air on that end...They are a different team on offense with Yao than without...As seen in the last series. The Lakers would duplicate that half court pace on offense, but they'd have the ability to run transition plays with all 5 on the court. Not likely with Houston, so I'd go with the Lakers.
Jazz - Hmmm...May give the edge to the Jazz here...Boozer, Okur, and AK47 would be a beast for Odom, Gasol, and Bynum to deal with, so even if that matchup is even, you have Brewer, Korver, Price, and Milsap behind that. Not to mention Collins and Miles at the end of that bench That makes four teams.
Pacers have Granger and Tinsley, but after that? Troy Murphy maybe, but my boy Ford and the other dudes stay on the IR. Going with the Lakers there.
The Wizards are on the same boat as the Pacers, but they have Jamison and Butler. Caron would give the Lakers fits, but they have no size to deal with Gasol and Bynum. If Jamison is in foul trouble, forget about it. Advantage: Lakers.
Now that leaves the Suns w/o Steve Nash. No explanation needed here, really...Advantage Suns
Okay so we agree on the five teams
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That's why I wonder what the set was coming out of the gate...did they intend to double the person receiving the in bounds pass?
I would've left all match-ups one-on-one until the ball is driven to the paint. You take time off the clock and force the ball handler to make the decision of keeping it or dishing it out depending on when the defense collapses on the ball-handler. It worked for them in Game 2 when the Lakers had their last possession in regulation.
That's why I wonder what the set was coming out of the gate...did they intend to double the person receiving the in bounds pass?
I would've left all match-ups one-on-one until the ball is driven to the paint. You take time off the clock and force the ball handler to make the decision of keeping it or dishing it out depending on when the defense collapses on the ball-handler. It worked for them in Game 2 when the Lakers had their last possession in regulation.
Man Orlando my team born in florida raised in O-town. This loss hurts cause of how we lost
1.Dwight howard didnt get the ball enough and he gotta hit them free throws
2. out of the timeout why didnt they foul fisher
3.it seems like we beat them both overtime games but we didnt
4. we are losing due to inexperience
5. We still got a chance a very slim chance but crazier things have happen!!
ORLANDO MAGIC LETS WIN GAME 5
1.Dwight howard didnt get the ball enough and he gotta hit them free throws
2. out of the timeout why didnt they foul fisher
3.it seems like we beat them both overtime games but we didnt
4. we are losing due to inexperience
5. We still got a chance a very slim chance but crazier things have happen!!
ORLANDO MAGIC LETS WIN GAME 5
Just when it looks like it could be a series,Van Dumby and the rest of the Magic show up.
To lose that game last night,the Magic have to be,beyond stupid....
To lose that game last night,the Magic have to be,beyond stupid....
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