The Official Lakers Vs. Magic Thread
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p, where do you guys get this stuff from? really.
do you WATCH the games? the plays developing?
watch the fakers D transition into zone. lamar odom will sink to the low block when rashard lewis cuts to the top. when rashard lewis has an open look at the top, it's because the high man in the zone did not shoot out to pick him up. NOT lamar odom.
p, where do you guys get this stuff from? really.
do you WATCH the games? the plays developing?
watch the fakers D transition into zone. lamar odom will sink to the low block when rashard lewis cuts to the top. when rashard lewis has an open look at the top, it's because the high man in the zone did not shoot out to pick him up. NOT lamar odom.
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ok, now post the time out previous to this play and watch courtney lee float and his coverage, which is how coach van gundy decided on that inbounds play.
BTW, who got roofed to give the magic the final possession in regulation?
ok, now post the time out previous to this play and watch courtney lee float and his coverage, which is how coach van gundy decided on that inbounds play.
BTW, who got roofed to give the magic the final possession in regulation?
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Yep. There is no way in hell Orlando is going to win this series if they need go go into LA and win two games on the road to close the series out.
Yep. There is no way in hell Orlando is going to win this series if they need go go into LA and win two games on the road to close the series out.
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so fakers fan, how many home playoff games have you been to?
right.
i've only been to 1 road playoffs game, and it was in houston.
so fakers fan, how many home playoff games have you been to?
right.
i've only been to 1 road playoffs game, and it was in houston.
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again, i ask you, who blew the layup to end regulation? which is more important, as per the final score, kobe getting his shot blocked (which would have possibly won the game), or Courtney lee missing a layup to end the game (which would have won the game)? Why not harp on Courtney?
again, i ask you, who blew the layup to end regulation? which is more important, as per the final score, kobe getting his shot blocked (which would have possibly won the game), or Courtney lee missing a layup to end the game (which would have won the game)? Why not harp on Courtney?
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Kobe should have passed the Rock. He had Odom, Ariza, and Fisher wide open for shots...and Odom hadn't missed a shit since like the 1st quarter. That could have been been Kobe's MJ to Kerr or Paxton moment. He had three guys on him... pass the fucking rock.
Lee missed a shot before that one as well. He should have made that layup..even though he was going away from the basket and didn't have the easiest angle, but he should have made the lay up.
It was a slick call, but I question even running that play for a rookie anyway..especially one who had only had one basket in the entire game.
The fact that Lee had the final two shots for Orlando shows a serious lack of offensive execution and/or bad coaching on Orlando's end..
a chance to steal a game on the road in the finals and you put the game(two times) into the hands of a rookie
However, if Lee makes the shot, Van Gundy looks like a genius
Kobe should have passed the Rock. He had Odom, Ariza, and Fisher wide open for shots...and Odom hadn't missed a shit since like the 1st quarter. That could have been been Kobe's MJ to Kerr or Paxton moment. He had three guys on him... pass the fucking rock.
Lee missed a shot before that one as well. He should have made that layup..even though he was going away from the basket and didn't have the easiest angle, but he should have made the lay up.
It was a slick call, but I question even running that play for a rookie anyway..especially one who had only had one basket in the entire game.
The fact that Lee had the final two shots for Orlando shows a serious lack of offensive execution and/or bad coaching on Orlando's end..
a chance to steal a game on the road in the finals and you put the game(two times) into the hands of a rookie
However, if Lee makes the shot, Van Gundy looks like a genius
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agree again, they need someone more experienced at the 2, someone who can take the opposing player off the dribble. too many shooters and not enough slashers. The pick and roll wont always get it done.
I agree, he should have passed to ariza once reddick committed to helping on kobe.
a chance to steal a game on the road in the finals and you put the game(two times) into the hands of a rookie
agree again, they need someone more experienced at the 2, someone who can take the opposing player off the dribble. too many shooters and not enough slashers. The pick and roll wont always get it done.
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yep, and then everyone else will get their wish and be able to blame kobe for getting lost on the play. But since the Lakers won, i guess people can still point to it, hoping it will some how have an effect on the outcome of that game.
However, if Lee makes the shot, Van Gundy looks like a genius
yep, and then everyone else will get their wish and be able to blame kobe for getting lost on the play. But since the Lakers won, i guess people can still point to it, hoping it will some how have an effect on the outcome of that game.
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how does a rookie get open in the first place when being supposedly guarded by a veteran "world-class defender"? i guess being an alleged "closer" or "clutch player" doesn't include the D side of the ball in your world.
how does a rookie get open in the first place when being supposedly guarded by a veteran "world-class defender"? i guess being an alleged "closer" or "clutch player" doesn't include the D side of the ball in your world.
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and i guess people can deflect attention away from obviously poor plays when it is convenient for them. because everyone knows TEAM wins absolves individual mistakes, and neither can be discussed separately in an objective, rational world.
and i guess people can deflect attention away from obviously poor plays when it is convenient for them. because everyone knows TEAM wins absolves individual mistakes, and neither can be discussed separately in an objective, rational world.
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My world doesn't count. Did he make the shot? No. But he's a pro basketball player right? Rookie or not. Jordan was a world class defender, was he not? And we all seen what Iverson did to him when he was a rookie Add to the fact that he's a starter. Still no harping on Courtney for blowing the layup? I meam, im pretty sure they practice this play in practice. Did Coach not use a "big" to throw at Courtney to prepare?
My world doesn't count. Did he make the shot? No. But he's a pro basketball player right? Rookie or not. Jordan was a world class defender, was he not? And we all seen what Iverson did to him when he was a rookie Add to the fact that he's a starter. Still no harping on Courtney for blowing the layup? I meam, im pretty sure they practice this play in practice. Did Coach not use a "big" to throw at Courtney to prepare?
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courtney lee was shook. no further explanation required. you could see the indecision and it resulted in poor mechanics. he didn't even know what type of shot to attempt.
the play is the same 1 coach rivers ran against the fakers in last years finals. only difference was that the defenders in that play were jordan farmar and sasha vujacic.
coach van gundy made the correct call on both sides: personnel and play type.
remember that he was limited with the personnel available.
courtney lee was shook. no further explanation required. you could see the indecision and it resulted in poor mechanics. he didn't even know what type of shot to attempt.
the play is the same 1 coach rivers ran against the fakers in last years finals. only difference was that the defenders in that play were jordan farmar and sasha vujacic.
coach van gundy made the correct call on both sides: personnel and play type.
remember that he was limited with the personnel available.
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and i guess people can give attention to certain poor plays, and negelect to mention the others when its convenient for them.
had this been reversed, and kobe missed the lay up, and not Courtney, would you harp on Kobe or the person who was defending kobe? Stupid question, I know.
and i guess people can give attention to certain poor plays, and negelect to mention the others when its convenient for them.
had this been reversed, and kobe missed the lay up, and not Courtney, would you harp on Kobe or the person who was defending kobe? Stupid question, I know.
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Their guard play has been horrible. It's obvious that Nelson is not comfortable enough to take shots. Rafer... I don't even have to comment I know you said at 2 position, but I'm just pointing out the guard play in general. Pietrus can't buy a basket to save his life and I don't really expect much from Lee anyway... but the touch fouls on Pietrus are really hurting them because Lee is too small to defend Kobe..
but all 4 of their guards are equally fucking up...and that makes it even that much more difficult for Howard in the post..
Their guard play has been horrible. It's obvious that Nelson is not comfortable enough to take shots. Rafer... I don't even have to comment
I know you said at 2 position, but I'm just pointing out the guard play in general. Pietrus can't buy a basket to save his life and I don't really expect much from Lee anyway... but the touch fouls on Pietrus are really hurting them because Lee is too small to defend Kobe..but all 4 of their guards are equally fucking up...and that makes it even that much more difficult for Howard in the post..
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um, did you not read what i wrote about dwight howard? that completely explodes your paranoia. rafer alston?
and i'm discussing a real basketball play that actually happened. while you want to explore a fictional scenario.
and i guess people can give attention to certain poor plays, and negelect to mention the others when its convenient for them.
had this been reversed, and kobe missed the lay up, and not Courtney, would you harp on Kobe or the person who was defending kobe? Stupid question, I know.
um, did you not read what i wrote about dwight howard? that completely explodes your paranoia. rafer alston?
and i'm discussing a real basketball play that actually happened. while you want to explore a fictional scenario.
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pietrus was the one guy who scared me the most coming into this series. he knocked down some big buckets against cleveland. Im pretty sure they will all find their range tonight. I dont expect a close game.
pietrus was the one guy who scared me the most coming into this series. he knocked down some big buckets against cleveland. Im pretty sure they will all find their range tonight. I dont expect a close game.
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He very obviously did not want the ball in that situation. But someone should have gotten the ball out of his hands... I guess it all happened so quickly but Lee should not have even been in that position to take that shot in the first place.
I don't question the call in terms of the actual play... i just question running it for Lee..although he was probably the most athletic person on the court for the Magic (AND it's no way it would have worked for Howard because the lakers would have been expecting it and wouldn't be stupid enough to let howard get behind them)... I just question running the play for LEE... I just question putting the game in a rookie's hand... especially one that only had one fg made and that was in the 1st quarter... but again.. if he makes the shot, Gundy looks like a genius... It was well-designed and executed perfectly (the pass and also the pick) and it produced a good shot (I guess that's all you can ask a coach to do) but even though it was a good "look".. I'm just not surprised that the rookie missed it..he's not Magic Johnson in 79'.. Lee was a stage-frighted rookie..
He very obviously did not want the ball in that situation. But someone should have gotten the ball out of his hands... I guess it all happened so quickly but Lee should not have even been in that position to take that shot in the first place.
I don't question the call in terms of the actual play... i just question running it for Lee..although he was probably the most athletic person on the court for the Magic (AND it's no way it would have worked for Howard because the lakers would have been expecting it and wouldn't be stupid enough to let howard get behind them)... I just question running the play for LEE... I just question putting the game in a rookie's hand... especially one that only had one fg made and that was in the 1st quarter... but again.. if he makes the shot, Gundy looks like a genius... It was well-designed and executed perfectly (the pass and also the pick) and it produced a good shot (I guess that's all you can ask a coach to do) but even though it was a good "look".. I'm just not surprised that the rookie missed it..he's not Magic Johnson in 79'.. Lee was a stage-frighted rookie..
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He was murdering the Cavs...and now he can't buy a bucket..and not only that..he can't keep himself on the floor. He fouled out in only 23 minutes of play.
Yeah.. I'm sure they will all player better.. they're back home so the shooting percentages should rise for the Magic as well as their confidence level. I think the Magic will win two at home and the Lakers will get one and finish them in LA..
He was murdering the Cavs...and now he can't buy a bucket..and not only that..he can't keep himself on the floor. He fouled out in only 23 minutes of play.
Yeah.. I'm sure they will all player better.. they're back home so the shooting percentages should rise for the Magic as well as their confidence level. I think the Magic will win two at home and the Lakers will get one and finish them in LA..
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Looking at the replay, he had multiple options. What you quoted was written right after the play. I don't think the shot was indefensible and he didn't foresee Turkoglu coming from behind to block him but it would have been smarter to hit Ariza with the pass.
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Yo. Does Howard have those small Kwame Brown hands or it he purely an issue of him bringing it down to low for the guards to swipe at it?
Yo. Does Howard have those small Kwame Brown hands or it he purely an issue of him bringing it down to low for the guards to swipe at it?
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i was thinking the same thing. but Dwight can catch the ball when thrown to him, Kwame cant.
i was thinking the same thing. but Dwight can catch the ball when thrown to him, Kwame cant.
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it's funny that tobe could admit he got caught slipping and played poor defense on that play, but his BGOL stans can't:
"It was just a brilliant play,'' Bryant said. "It was just a very, very smart play that he (Van Gundy) drew up. He knew my eye was more on the shooters coming up and just a hell of a play by a hell of a coach.''
or maybe it's not funny. maybe it's just sad.
it's funny that tobe could admit he got caught slipping and played poor defense on that play, but his BGOL stans can't:
"It was just a brilliant play,'' Bryant said. "It was just a very, very smart play that he (Van Gundy) drew up. He knew my eye was more on the shooters coming up and just a hell of a play by a hell of a coach.''
or maybe it's not funny. maybe it's just sad.
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poor hands + confusion = the shit we've seen so far from dwight howard.
he's admitted that he's confused by what the fakers are showing him. admittedly, it is a strange type of "jello" D the fakers are playing, but dwight howard doesn't have the cognitive skills to counter it. dwight howard doesn't bring as much mentally to the game as he does physically.
i wonder why the fakers fans haven't been discussing the unusual D that coach shaw has devised for coach jackson.
oh, that's right, because all the important action happens only on the O side of the ball.
poor hands + confusion = the shit we've seen so far from dwight howard.
he's admitted that he's confused by what the fakers are showing him. admittedly, it is a strange type of "jello" D the fakers are playing, but dwight howard doesn't have the cognitive skills to counter it. dwight howard doesn't bring as much mentally to the game as he does physically.
i wonder why the fakers fans haven't been discussing the unusual D that coach shaw has devised for coach jackson.
oh, that's right, because all the important action happens only on the O side of the ball.
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Howard has always played on pure but limited athletic ability...he looks like "superman" when he's matched up against undersized and/or slow centers though. Even if Howard had the basketball IQ to counter the defense, given the fact that he can't even do something as basic as finish with his left hand, I doubt very much it would make much of a difference in terms of his offensive output. He has, on occasion though, delivered good passes out of the post.
However, I didn't realize he had such bad habis like bringing the ball down instead of keeping it high before attempting to get his shot off. He needs to study some Tim Duncan film.
But I was surprised by his inability to simply retain possession of the basketball.
The Lakers fans never talk about the defensive side of the ball and ironically, it's the most important part of the equation for the Lakers.. when they've lost, it's almost always directly linked to a lack of consistent defensive effort...
Howard has always played on pure but limited athletic ability...he looks like "superman" when he's matched up against undersized and/or slow centers though. Even if Howard had the basketball IQ to counter the defense, given the fact that he can't even do something as basic as finish with his left hand, I doubt very much it would make much of a difference in terms of his offensive output. He has, on occasion though, delivered good passes out of the post.
However, I didn't realize he had such bad habis like bringing the ball down instead of keeping it high before attempting to get his shot off. He needs to study some Tim Duncan film.
But I was surprised by his inability to simply retain possession of the basketball.
The Lakers fans never talk about the defensive side of the ball and ironically, it's the most important part of the equation for the Lakers.. when they've lost, it's almost always directly linked to a lack of consistent defensive effort...
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I think "casual" basketball fans do. I think it's no different than a casual boxing fan who loves Mike Tyson but can't appreciate Floyd Mayweather.
I think "casual" basketball fans do. I think it's no different than a casual boxing fan who loves Mike Tyson but can't appreciate Floyd Mayweather.
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I ask because I think you and Cranrab are being overly hard on Lakers fans... The Lakers have more casual fans because they're the most prominent and most spotlighted team in the league.
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Pau Gasol > howard
Pau Gasol > howard
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I think that's a general thing though in regards to fans... I was saying, in a previous post, that I think that most Lakers fan don't appreciate how important their defense intensity really is to their team. I've always said that the Lakers are the most difficult team in the league to beat when they play intensive defense. The already have a team of really good individual defensive players, but when they actually play hard and smart on the defensive end, they cause serious problems for other teams.... most other teams that can play great defense are not as offensively gifted as the lakers...
I think that's a general thing though in regards to fans... I was saying, in a previous post, that I think that most Lakers fan don't appreciate how important their defense intensity really is to their team. I've always said that the Lakers are the most difficult team in the league to beat when they play intensive defense. The already have a team of really good individual defensive players, but when they actually play hard and smart on the defensive end, they cause serious problems for other teams.... most other teams that can play great defense are not as offensively gifted as the lakers...
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We pretty much agree. If you're a Knicks fan like me, you can't help but focus on D when they were battling it out with the Heat. Part of the equation is that the offensive talent of the Lakers overshadows the importance of defense (for the fans and probably the players at times)...
I just saw your post preceded by cranrab talking about "i wonder why the fakers fans haven't been discussing the unusual D that coach shaw has devised" and had to point out that its hardly exclusive to Lakers fan; the majority of fans aren't focused on the assistant coaches use of X's and O's, it's a Sportscenter league.
We pretty much agree. If you're a Knicks fan like me, you can't help but focus on D when they were battling it out with the Heat. Part of the equation is that the offensive talent of the Lakers overshadows the importance of defense (for the fans and probably the players at times)...
I just saw your post preceded by cranrab talking about "i wonder why the fakers fans haven't been discussing the unusual D that coach shaw has devised" and had to point out that its hardly exclusive to Lakers fan; the majority of fans aren't focused on the assistant coaches use of X's and O's, it's a Sportscenter league.
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i was able to cop a pair of playoffs tix for the rockets series. but what's your point?
i was able to cop a pair of playoffs tix for the rockets series. but what's your point?
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