The Official Lakers Vs. Magic Thread

[Spectrum]

if you cant stop the other team from scoring more than you score you loose yes the lakers are playing good d, and yes the magic are missing shots but they aren't exactly stopping the lakers either. to put it simply... the magic cant do shit right

It's flawed logic to just say that team that wins had an unstoppable offense. Both teams stunk it up in the first half and overall they both shot poorly from the field.. the Magic, with the exception of Lewis and then Hedo and Howard, short abysmally from the field. The reality of the matter is that the Magic is a team that lives and dies from long range and their shots are not falling..a lot of this has to do with the Lakers playing good defense...and the rest is them just missing wide opens shots that typically fall for them. It has nothing to do with them not being able to stop LA... LA's offense was not great today.. the Magic just stunk it up again and still almost stole the game..They actually got LOTS of stops in the 4th quarter..but then they often promptly turned the ball back over on the offensive end... the Magic aren't losing because they cant stop the lakers.. their offensive woes...wide open misses, turnover, and missed free throws are costing them MUCH more than the Lakers offense being too much for them to handle

However, I would expect them to shoot much better at home.. but I don't think it will matter overall because I don't think they will win a game in LA regardless...this was the one they needed to steal.

 

[grownazzblakman]

if you cant stop the other team from scoring more than you score you loose yes the lakers are playing good d, and yes the magic are missing shots but they aren't exactly stopping the lakers either. to put it simply... the magic cant do shit right

You are correct in red.

And poor perimeter shooting (from their guards) is what is hurting the Magic the most, i'd say.

Just look at the box scores / player stats.
The guards were hitting 'open' jump shots against Cleveland.
Not so much against the Lakers.

Tonight...
- Alston went 1-8 (at least half were wide-open 'midrange' jumpers )
- Reddick went 2-9
- Nelson went 1-3
- Pietrus went 1-3
- Lee went 1-3
-------------------
They shot 6 for 26 between all 5 of 'em . (i.e. 23%)

Or look at it this way...
- 4 guards (who get MAD playing time ) only hit ONE shot apiece... THE ENTIRE GAME.
- And 1 guy hits 2 shots.

That's just pathetic.
Especially since most of those were 'open looks'.

the Magic aren't losing because they cant stop the lakers.. their offensive woes...wide open misses, turnover, and missed free throws are costing them MUCH more than the Lakers offense being too much for them to handle...

I don't think they will win a game in LA regardless...this was the one they needed to steal.

Agreed.

And they only lost by 5 tonight... in OT.
Just 1 more shot MADE by just half of these guys above and it's a 'road win'.

 

[Qdizzile]

It's flawed logic to just say that team that wins had an unstoppable offense. Both teams stunk it up in the first half and overall they both shot poorly from the field.. the Magic, with the exception of Lewis and then Hedo and Howard, short abysmally from the field. The reality of the matter is that the Magic is a team that lives and dies from long range and their shots are not falling..a lot of this has to do with the Lakers playing good defense...and the rest is them just missing wide opens shots that typically fall for them. It has nothing to do with them not being able to stop LA... LA's offense was not great today.. the Magic just stunk it up again and still almost stole the game..They actually got LOTS of stops in the 4th quarter..but then they often promptly turned the ball back over on the offensive end... the Magic aren't losing because they cant stop the lakers.. their offensive woes...wide open misses, turnover, and missed free throws are costing them MUCH more than the Lakers offense being too much for them to handle

However, I would expect them to shoot much better at home.. but I don't think it will matter overall because I don't think they will win a game in LA regardless...this was the one they needed to steal.

I never said any team that wins had an unstoppable offense. my point is the magic cant stop the lakers offense, but the lakers can stop the magics. The magic cant stop the lakers big's odom, gosal or bynum with two on the floor. they also have no answer for kobe who is averaging like 35 points and 8 assists. the lakers are moving the ball better and finding the open man more effectively.

 

[footluva]

ESPN news... I dont know what the fuck NBA tv was doing

thanks.

i watched gm 1 press conference on nba.com but i couldnt find a link and i cant find 1 now..well earlier

 

[shaddyvillethug]

courtney lee needs to give his jersey to tyron lue.

how u miss 2 wide open lay ups?

 

[Kobe Bryant]

you know I did.

We have go to keep the intesnsity up next game. They are going to be out for blood. But I know Stan Van Dummy, he will double me, and that's when my boys are going to do damage.

Watch my triple double next game.

Well, I almost called it.

29-8-4. Not bad huh?

I almost cost the game though, I let that chump Lee get behind me. Too bad he's a choke artist.

 

[Costanza]

I LOVED that style of basketball. Word to JVG and Patrick Ewing.

Maybe its just the passage of time but I don't remember horrible officiating in that era on the level of today.

Refs are more active today. Kobe got a technical earlier in the playoffs for telling someone (Battier?) they couldn't guard him, what the fuck is that??? If they did that in the 90s, Reggie Miller and Spike Lee wouldn't be allowed withing 90 feet of an NBA arena... Ever since Ron Artest the NBA is just too ancy.

Teams should be allowed to play their game, as others have already said its the inconsistancy that kills everything.

http://sports.espn.go.com/stations/player?id=4224934

"We're going to overreact now and if it compromises the competitiveness of these games, so be it."

 

[Kobe Bryant]

Oh yeah, I meant to drop this off....

He can't guard me. What the hell is Stan Van Dummy doing? His rotations are killing his squad.

Good, more rings for me.

 

[thalunatic]

magic In 6!!!!!!!!​

 

[Costanza]

magic In 6!!!!!!!!​

Damn, six years before the Magic win a title? I wonder who will still be around at that point...

 

[Maxxam]

These simple ass posters kill me.

So Dwight isnt being exposed as being little more than a dunker/scorer within 2 feet of the basket? Its pretty clear that he has no post game whatsoever. Sure he can dominate the Zydrunas Ilgauskas's of the world, but mobile big men give him trouble because he can't use his athleticism to go around them. He's a good defensive player, but his offensive game is

Everybody though he would be dominating the Lakers big men, Pau in particular

That being said, if he puts in the work and gets some go to moves and a face up jumper, I feel sorry for whoever has to check him on any given night. I havent watched him real much outside of this season, but it doesnt appear that he's added anything to his game during the summers. Not even a generic jump hook. His year by year assist avg. of less than 2/game leads me to believe he doesnt work on passing much... his avg this year is only 1.4, by comparison Shaq was averaging 3.1 by year 5. With the shooters Howard has, he should be doing be getting more than 1 assist a night.

 

[grownazzblakman]

So Dwight isnt being exposed as being little more than a dunker/scorer within 2 feet of the basket? Its pretty clear that he has no post game whatsoever. Sure he can dominate the Zydrunas Ilgauskas's of the world, but mobile big men give him trouble because he can't use his athleticism to go around them. He's a good defensive player, but his offensive game is

Everybody though he would be dominating the Lakers big men, Pau in particular

That being said, if he puts in the work and gets some go to moves and a face up jumper, I feel sorry for whoever has to check him on any given night. I havent watched him real much outside of this season, but it doesnt appear that he's added anything to his game during the summers. Not even a generic jump hook. His year by year assist avg. of less than 2/game leads me to believe he doesnt work on passing much... his avg this year is only 1.4, by comparison Shaq was averaging 3.1 by year 5. With the shooters Howard has, he should be doing be getting more than 1 assist a night.

What game are you watching?

If anything...
1. D.Howard is being exposed as... 'not having a solid left hand'.
2. Even still, Gasol can NOT guard him one-on-one . He's waay too mobile & strong for him.
3. And Bynum is a total non-factor. He's getting served EVERY game.
4. Almost everytime Howard catches the ball on the block, the Lakers run 2 or 3 guys at him. (Smacking his forearms.)
5. Now, if the Magic GUARDS were hitting any 'open jumpers' consistently, (like they did against the Cavs ) the Laker (weakside) defenders would NOT be able to 'cheat off them' & clog the paint.
6. Plus, If the Magic Guards would EVER PASS 'over the top' once in awhile, whenever Howard has his man 'sealed on his hip' outside the paint... he would be killing them.
7. But they keep getting the ball to him VERY LATE.
8. So he has to 'wheel-n-deal' (IN TRAFFIC) to get to the bucket.

It's not that the Magic can't match-up with the Lakers, or the Lakers are just so unstoppable..
they Guards are just making way too many basic errors.

Like missing (wide open) shots & not feeding the post 'at the right time'.

Watch the replay... Van Gundy benched ALL his guards in the 4th quarter and had Turkoglu 'running the point'.
Because they played like ASS.

The Lakers run a 'motion / triangle' offense.
With constant cutting and screens.

In a nutshell, here is the Magic offense..
- A Magic guard brings the ball up... and makes 1 pass...
- Then cuts thru the middle to the weak side (usually at the baseline)...
- THEN STANDS STILL AS A STATUE ...
- Watching Dwight Howard work '1-on-3' from behind the 3-point arc...
- And IF the ball gets kicked out, or swung back around the perimeter...
- They miss 'uncontested' mid-range jumpers, or 3-pointers.

So either Turkoglu or Lewis has to run the pick & roll, and try to penetrate, or put up a long shot,
whenever Howard gets double or triple teamed.

They lack good (off-the-ball) movement on offense.

So the guards should be penetrating.
And creating assists. Or sticking jumpers. At least.
That's THEIR JOB.

Like Chauncey Billups, Chris Paul, or Deron Williams does... CONSISTENTLY.

 

[cskii]

Game 2 was a coaching loss period. Lee already showed his hands were shaking on his previous wide open layup. Run that play for Reddick or any veteran guard on the bench and this series is tied.

 

[Brother Blues]

I didn't care who won this series...but Courtney Lee has now fucked it up,where who's gonna win is no longer in doubt.

May he go down with the greatest goats in history...Bill Buckner,Scott Norwood,Donnie Moore and the rest.

 

[Maxxam]

is anthony johnson dead? why did redick play 27min? maybe Van Gundy should have left is rotation alone instead of bringing Nelson back...

 

[daman200]

What game are you watching?

If anything...
1. D.Howard is being exposed as... 'not having a solid left hand'.
2. Even still, Gasol can NOT guard him one-on-one . He's waay too mobile & strong for him.
3. And Bynum is a total non-factor. He's getting served EVERY game.
4. Almost everytime Howard catches the ball on the block, the Lakers run 2 or 3 guys at him. (Smacking his forearms.)
5. Now, if the Magic GUARDS were hitting any 'open jumpers' consistently, (like they did against the Cavs ) the Laker (weakside) defenders would NOT be able to 'cheat off them' & clog the paint.
6. Plus, If the Magic Guards would EVER PASS 'over the top' once in awhile, whenever Howard has his man 'sealed on his hip' outside the paint... he would be killing them.
7. But they keep getting the ball to him VERY LATE.
8. So he has to 'wheel-n-deal' (IN TRAFFIC) to get to the bucket.

It's not that the Magic can't match-up with the Lakers, or the Lakers are just so unstoppable..
they Guards are just making way too many basic errors.

Like missing (wide open) shots & not feeding the post 'at the right time'.

Watch the replay... Van Gundy benched ALL his guards in the 4th quarter and had Turkoglu 'running the point'.
Because they played like ASS.

The Lakers run a 'motion / triangle' offense.
With constant cutting and screens.

In a nutshell, here is the Magic offense..
- A Magic guard brings the ball up... and makes 1 pass...
- Then cuts thru the middle to the weak side (usually at the baseline)...
- THEN STANDS STILL AS A STATUE ...
- Watching Dwight Howard work '1-on-3' from behind the 3-point arc...
- And IF the ball gets kicked out, or swung back around the perimeter...
- They miss 'uncontested' mid-range jumpers, or 3-pointers.

So either Turkoglu or Lewis has to run the pick & roll, and try to penetrate, or put up a long shot,
whenever Howard gets double or triple teamed.

They lack good (off-the-ball) movement on offense.

So the guards should be penetrating.
And creating assists. Or sticking jumpers. At least.
That's THEIR JOB.

Like Chauncey Billups, Chris Paul, or Deron Williams does... CONSISTENTLY.

Finally someone who actually watches and understand basketball 100% cosign

 

[Hovadose]

is anthony johnson dead? why did redick play 27min? maybe Van Gundy should have left is rotation alone instead of bringing Nelson back...

I thought the same thing

 

[Hovadose]

I didn't care who won this series...but Courtney Lee has now fucked it up,where who's gonna win is no longer in doubt.

May he go down with the greatest goats in history...Bill Buckner,Scott Norwood,Donnie Moore and the rest.

Nah, not even close

 

[Brother Blues]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Ok,minor goat.....but if you gonna win,ya gotta make that.....

 

[Hovadose]

This Finals is just not cutting it.

The match-up has not excitement.

The earlier rounds of the playoffs were great.

This shit so far is kinda boring

 

[concepts25]

This Finals is just not cutting it.

The match-up has not excitement.

The earlier rounds of the playoffs were great.

This shit so far is kinda boring

shits great if ur a laker fan



good game last game for the magic , they had a chance but they couldnt finish which is what the finals is about and the reason they won't win... i wish i could say lakers in 6 so they could win at home but prob in 5

 

[Damn Right]

what a nail biter that game was!

 

[Spectrum]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090608&sportCat=nba

Nice Breakdown of Simmons...especially about all the bad calls in game 2..especially towards the end of the game

 

[TimRock]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090608&sportCat=nba

Nice Breakdown of Simmons...especially about all the bad calls in game 2..especially towards the end of the game

he reminds me of someone.

 

[grownazzblakman]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090608&sportCat=nba

Nice Breakdown of Simmons...especially about all the bad calls in game 2..especially towards the end of the game

Hilarious.

But the Laker fans will say 'he's just hating'.
(especially the last :26 sec in OT when they inbound the ball to Fisher... who travels 5 steps... before dribbling EVEN ONCE )

PROOF: Laker fans will ignore the 8:40 mark...
(before this footage is removed from YouTube, of course )

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/O4aFb8HWiSc&hl=en&fs=1&[/flash]

The refs missed this call.
While Laker fans will deny it with:
- "It never happened. " or
- "The refs miss plenty of calls. Stop bitching."

Guaranteed.

 

[concepts25]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090608&sportCat=nba

Nice Breakdown of Simmons...especially about all the bad calls in game 2..especially towards the end of the game

bill simmons is a boston apologist , he's a sworn enemy of all things lakers. his opinion is moot when it comes to the lakers because he is laker hater #1. everything he says is biased so fuck this dude

LA Lakers champs 2009 ... deal with it

 

[LordSinister]

he reminds me of someone.

But on the real, Raja Bell hates Kobe, Simmons hates the Lakers.

 

[concepts25]

But on the real, Raja Bell hates Kobe, Simmons hates the Lakers.

exactly he even says it like 8 times in that article. bill simmons is not a reliable guy when it comes to anything having to do with the lakers. He even tries to make an argument that the celtics would have backed to back with a healthy KG. Which is not only a absurdly homer view of things but in addition is just plain wrong. Boston wouldn't have beat cleveland this year and the only reason they lost 2 orlando is because mike brown cant coach for shit and they have nobody to match lewis. Simmons lives in LA too... which brings me 2 the point that L.A. is the best city in the country if for nothing else that so many people live here who actively hate all things local yet they won't/can't leave. cause in terms of cities LA has any and everything one would ever need including yet not limited to the best sports franchise in the world ... LA > your city

 

[Qdizzile]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...8&sportCat=nba

Nice Breakdown of Simmons...especially about all the bad calls in game 2..especially towards the end of the game
__________________

what a fucking hater
how the fuck can you give credibility to a sports writers column when in the fucking column he admits to being a hater of one of the teams thats shit was funny to see how laker haters see only what they want to see

lakers 2008/2009 nba champions

 

[concepts25]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...8&sportCat=nba

Nice Breakdown of Simmons...especially about all the bad calls in game 2..especially towards the end of the game
__________________

what a fucking hater
how the fuck can you give credibility to a sports writers column when in the fucking column he admits to being a hater of one of the teams thats shit was funny to see how laker haters see only what they want to see

lakers 2008/2009 nba champions

pretty much and no other franchise in the NBA has the amount of haters LA does... when other teams win it's about how great the other team is , how amazing their superstar is , how they made the little plays down the stretch to gut it out and blah blah blah... when the lakers win it's they cheated , it's fixed , or the other team blew it and gave the game away.

fact of the matter it makes everyone salty that the lakers are usually in the conversation of who will win every year and at least half the time we do win... success breeds haters and the lakers are the most successful franchise in terms of real actual tangible success in the whole NBA... another year, another parade ... west west niggas

 

[Nobody]

Hilarious.

But the Laker fans will say 'he's just hating'.
(especially the last :26 sec in OT when they inbound the ball to Fisher... who travels 5 steps... before dribbling EVEN ONCE )

PROOF: Laker fans will ignore the 8:40 mark...
(before this footage is removed from YouTube, of course )

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/O4aFb8HWiSc&hl=en&fs=1&[/flash]

The refs missed this call.
While Laker fans will deny it with:
- "It never happened. " or
- "The refs miss plenty of calls. Stop bitching."

Guaranteed.

Bill simmons is the LAST person to talk. If it's anything lakers he's hating. Not to mention he never did anything like that for the lopsided calls in last years series. He is far from impartial.

Fact is teams will get the benefit of the doubt when home. Will you complain when it goes the other way? I doubt it.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Yankees > Lakers

 

[grownazzblakman]

Bill simmons is the LAST person to talk. If it's anything lakers he's hating. Not to mention he never did anything like that for the lopsided calls in last years series. He is far from impartial.

Fact is teams will get the benefit of the doubt when home. Will you complain when it goes the other way? I doubt it.

Actually I'm not even a Magic fan. I'm a Knick fan.
But I usually tend to cheer for the Eastern Conference in the NBA Finals.

Well, let's ignore Bill Simmons for a moment....
Watch the vid. Did Fisher take 5 steps without dribbling? Yes or No?

Now I don't know you personally, but alot of Laker fans (on BGOL) cannot even admit small facts like this.

Now it IS possible to cheer for your team AND admit things like this.
It's called Sportsmanship.

Will I complain if the calls like this go against the Lakers next game? Sure.
Because I am man enough to say.. "Hey, that was some BS. That's a bad call. They missed it."
Even if it's against the team I'm roooting for.
Cuz I just want to see a fair game. Period.

Now certain Laker fans... Do they complain when (unfair) calls go against the opponent? No.
Most gloat & brag about "the unstoppable unstoppableness of unstoppability" from what I've seen on BGOL.

Yet never seem to mention / admit the other 'game deciding' factors that might have taken place.

Now Fisher blatantly taking 5 steps (and not getting called for traveling) is a 'game decider', imo.
Rashad had just hit a 3-pter on the previous play.
And if the Lakers commit that turnover, the Magic get another shot to try & tie the game.

Just my observation, tho.

 

[grownazzblakman]

I think he dribbled the ball. There's no way the ref is standing that close and misses that call.

http://skullkill.mybrute.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090608&sportCat=nba

From the article....
"0:22: L.A. inbounds to Fisher, who takes ... one, two, three, four, five ... FIVE steps before passing to Odom (who gets fouled). Five steps! Five! And that will wrap up our SFTSDFCT Scoreboard with Orlando beating L.A.: 10 dubious calls to one. Great. Please, for the love of God, someone put that Fisher travel online. You'll especially like the part when referee Tom Washington is standing 5 feet away and ignores it."

----------------------------

Check the 8:40 mark. You be the judge.

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/O4aFb8HWiSc&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]

 

[MRBITCHEZZ]

Lakers In 5