His 7 turnovers is what people will remember. I also bet you people will not remember that Kobe had the same number.
The Official Lakers Vs. Magic Thread
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That's what i don't like.. it sends mixed messages to the players..especially the big men... you can see the big men like Howard and Bynum trying to avoid contact because their so scared to get called for a cheap foul...it affects how they plan defense for the entire game...and in this game in particular, the refs should have swallowed their whistles in the 4th...several questionable calls where there was little or no contact by the defender.. I hate bail out fouls... Kobe got a lot of them in the 4th..but prior to the 4th... Howard picked up a few where he got bailed out
Yo..does howard suffer from the small hand Kwame Brown syndrome?
This is true. He will definitely get better.
My thing is...he talks about being overlooked and disrespected by the media and not getting the attention that Kobe and Lebron get.
If they win this series,all that will change overnight. If they don't win this and he is not getting it done offensively then people will still look at him as the two-dimensional player he is.
I'm not a fan of the old school Knicks physical basketball. However, that pertains to the perimeter. You have to let the offensive player have room to operate, and you shouldn't be allowed to just hack.
With that said, one of the best things about basketball is the post game, and post players have to be allowed to be physical when jockeying for position, and one of the worst calls that can be made is calling a foul on one of the two players. Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum get KILLED with those calls. Then conversely they are allowing guards to slap at the centers with no calls.
Exactly man....that part of the game is getting so blatantly called horrible it's frustrating to watch. Bynum commits a lot of dumb off the ball fouls, but you can't call bullshit touch fouls in the post when the big men are battling for position unless it just a blatant foul. They'll let something go and then come right back on the next play and call the same thing a foul....and it's been happening this entire playoffs...it was so bad during the Cavs series I thought it was a conspiracy to keep Howard off the court to make the series more competitive...
They didnt have KG though
I remember...a young center...had no finesse, barely any foot work, and his post move was a power dunk. He got swept by the same man you mention. When he did develop moves he won four rings. Dwight Howard is 23, and the leap he's made between this year and last was huge. It's rare for a player to come into the league with a great post game, and even rarer for a player to come from HIGH SCHOOL and have one.
The one thing he's always had, which is more important than a post game (when you have the power game he has) is a defensive presence and rebounding skill. He's a great defensive player and superior rebounder. If he didn't have that they would have gotten beaten way back in the first round.
I also think the Magic is still learning how to get the ball to him in the right positions. One positive that's developing is that his pass out of the post is getting better. He can still be taught a post game, and if he develops a good post move, just one, and a more reliable jumper out to 10" and he will be deadly.
Or how about being forced to retire from working in a cubicle at 65, but you can run up and down a basketball court with guys in their 20s at the age of what, 79?How come your skills as a player leave you in your mid to late thirties, but a refs eye sight stays at 100% in your late 50's, 60's and 70's
I LOVED that style of basketball. Word to JVG and Patrick Ewing.
Maybe its just the passage of time but I don't remember horrible officiating in that era on the level of today.
Refs are more active today. Kobe got a technical earlier in the playoffs for telling someone (Battier?) they couldn't guard him, what the fuck is that??? If they did that in the 90s, Reggie Miller and Spike Lee wouldn't be allowed withing 90 feet of an NBA arena... Ever since Ron Artest the NBA is just too ancy.
Teams should be allowed to play their game, as others have already said its the inconsistancy that kills everything.
True, True. If they had played the Celtics like they are playing now, would have been no contest (even w/o KG). Celtics would have handed them their asses. Mfs playing like they don't belong or some shit.
did the refs do a good job? no they rarely do!
but it for sure wasn't one sided! andrew bynum got 4 fouls that didnt happen, howard had the coldest goal tend of all time, not to mention the other countless bad calls and no calls. so all the laker haters need to stop crying!!
the magic lost because they are not better than the lakers period lakers didnt even play that well and the magic still couldnt win! the magic are a good team they just aint better than the lakers!
live by the 3 die by the three all the magic can do is hope to make a shit load of three pointers in order to win the game, but the lakers close out on the shooters too well. they try to work inside out with howard but the lakers bigs arent no punks and howard has 1 go to post move so he has to kick it out and they cant knock down enough 3's.
they had their chances to win but they left it to a rookie, who just couldn't close the game with two easy shots
lakers nba champions 2008/2009
they rarely do!but it for sure wasn't one sided! andrew bynum got 4 fouls that didnt happen, howard had the coldest goal tend of all time, not to mention the other countless bad calls and no calls. so all the laker haters need to stop crying!!
the magic lost because they are not better than the lakers period
lakers didnt even play that well and the magic still couldnt win! the magic are a good team they just aint better than the lakers!live by the 3 die by the three
all the magic can do is hope to make a shit load of three pointers in order to win the game, but the lakers close out on the shooters too well. they try to work inside out with howard but the lakers bigs arent no punks and howard has 1 go to post move so he has to kick it out and they cant knock down enough 3's.they had their chances to win but they left it to a rookie, who just couldn't close the game with two easy shots
lakers nba champions 2008/2009
Personally, I think Boston will be the best in the East next year, if KG is healthy. I think they have 1 more good run in them. Lakers vs celtics in 2010... Lakers in 7
@ Kobe's response to that question about the Courtney Lee shot."Shit."
"Shit."
totally straight faced too
When all the guards on the team combine for 17 points, I really can't blame Howard for the loss. He also had 4 ast. 4 blk and 4 stl.
It's no secret that he needs to improve his post game, but he was passing the ball out of the post well. His guards have to play better. The Magic had more than enough chances to win.
C'mon bruh, that was NOT such a hard play to make (esp. for an NBA-level athlete like him.
)Plus, Courtney Lee probably has over a 30+ inch vertical. (And that's just a guess.)
So I bet he could make that lay-up 10 out of 10 times in practice.
- It wasn't a dunk attempt.
- No defenders anywhere near him.
- Just a routine 'catch & release'.
Now if he had to do something with the ball...(like shoot over a taller defender) then normally I would agree with you.
He just banked it 'too hard' off the glass. That's all.
Probably was shocked he was 'left too wide open', as they say.
And had a mental lapse & lost his concentration for a split second.
Shit Happens.
But to say... 'that was a tough lay-up'... is crazy.
He choked, man.
He could make that lay-up easily.. and he KNOWS he could.
totally straight faced too
what channel was you watching the press conference on? because nbatv didnt have it on and i couldnt find anything on nba.com
ESPN news... I dont know what the fuck NBA tv was doing
You lost me at make that lay-up in practice. NBA players probably shoot 60% plus in practice. The toss wasn't perfect. He did what he could. The end.C'mon bruh, that was NOT such a hard play to make (esp. for an NBA-level athlete like him.
Plus, Courtney Lee probably has over a 30+ inch vertical. (And that's just a guess.)
So I bet he could make that lay-up 10 out of 10 times in practice.
- It wasn't a dunk attempt.
- No defenders anywhere near him.
- Just a routine 'catch & release'.
Now if he had to do something with the ball...(like shoot over a taller defender) then normally I would agree with you.
He just banked it 'too hard' off the glass. That's all.
Probably was shocked he was 'left too wide open', as they say.
And had a mental lapse & lost his concentration for a split second.
Shit Happens.
But to say... 'that was a tough lay-up'... is crazy.
He choked, man.
He could make that lay-up easily.. and he KNOWS he could.
I have to agree with you, Dwight Howard is a dunking center and no post game lol. You know know why the celtics whipped the lakers ass, because Garnett can post up, shoot the midrange shot, even bust a three and the same goes semi for baby and you had perkins in the middle. Orlando got a bunch of shooters and a center with a dunk game thats it. Its a damn shame I gotta admit I would have rather seen bron give kobe hell instead of kobe raping these niggas.
With a healthy KG they are still rated number 1 in the east in my book, followed by the Magic, then the Cavs.
These simple ass posters kill me.
did the refs do a good job? no
but it for sure wasn't one sided! andrew bynum got 4 fouls that didnt happen, howard had the coldest goal tend of all time, not to mention the other countless bad calls and no calls. so all the laker haters need to stop crying!!
the magic lost because they are not better than the lakers period
live by the 3 die by the three
they had their chances to win but they left it to a rookie, who just couldn't close the game with two easy shots
lakers nba champions 2008/2009
Let's not get carried away.
Agreed, the lakers can close out on shooters pretty well...
But the Lakers ALSO play alot of 'illegal defense' that never gets called.
Especially Pau Gasol & Derek Fisher.
Notice Gasol's man is usually above the free throw line (setting screens at the top of the key, or way out on 'foul-line extended', near the 3-pt arc).... while he's firmly planted in the paint, playing zone
... whenever the ball gets swung around the perimeter.Now if your man is above the free throw line, or out at the 3pt. arc -- the defender can only keep '1 foot' below the free throw line. If both his feet are in the paint for 3 secs or more, it's a violation. But they rarely ever call the Lakers on it.
Cuz it would slow the game down.But I'm not gonna complain about the refs.
The REAL problem is.. teams need to SHOOT WELL from deep to keep them honest & to keep the guards (esp. Fisher) from 'camping out' in the lane, or playing a (weakside) 'free-safety' zone-type defense. (which gives him an opportunity to strip Howard in the paint)
That's the way to beat LA.
Shoot a little better (from outside) to make them pick up 'man-to-man' & make them stay honest.
That will open up the lane for D. Howard.
But Rafer & the other Magic guards couldn't hit the side of a bus tonight.
IF they WERE hitting their shots, they announcers would constantly say...
'the Lakers are doing a poor job of closing out on the open shooters'.
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Agreed.
But that percentage includes 3-pointers & mid-range jump shots.
Not 60% of lay-ups.. only.
No way. The average high-school squad has better lay-up percentages than that... in practice.
Let's not get carried away.
Agreed, the lakers can close out on shooters pretty well...
But the Lakers ALSO play alot of 'illegal defense' that never gets called.
Especially Pau Gasol & Derek Fisher.
Notice Gasol's man is usually above the free throw line (setting screens at the top of the key, or way out on 'foul-line extended', near the 3-pt arc).... while he's firmly planted in the paint, playing zone
Now if your man is above the free throw line, or out at the 3pt. arc -- the defender can only keep '1 foot' below the free throw line. If both his feet are in the paint for 3 secs or more, it's a violation. But they rarely ever call the Lakers on it.
But I'm not gonna complain about the refs.
The REAL problem is.. teams need to SHOOT WELL from deep to keep them honest & to keep the guards (esp. Fisher) from 'camping out' in the lane, or playing a (weakside) 'free-safety' zone-type defense.
That's the way to beat LA.
Shoot a little better (from outside) to make them pick up 'man-to-man' & make them stay honest.
But Rafer & the other Magic guards couldn't hit the side of a bus tonight.
IF they WERE hitting their shots, they announcers would constantly say...
'the Lakers are doing a poor job of closing out on the open shooters'.
illegal D
come on bro you can do better than thatthe problem is they cant stop the lakers... period.
for all of the offensive weapons the magic have they dont have a way to stop the lakers offense. granted turk did a pretty good job on kobe today but he was far from stopping him. howard can hold down 1 laker big man but thats about it. the lakers are better on both ends of the floor, and the bench. when a lakers big gets in foul trouble or needs a rest boom here come the Calvary in odom, and the lakers dont loose a step! when the lakers need a guard they got an LA outdoor swap meet to choose from. lakers are just too big and talented to be fucked with
illegal D
the problem is they cant stop the lakers... period.
The Lakers are not winning this series because of exceptional offensive output. The Lakers are winning because of a combination of good defense(especially on the perimeter) and poor shooting by the Magic..even on open looks. It has nothing to do with not being able to stop the laker offense.. It took an overtime for the Lakers to break 100 points..
if you cant stop the other team from scoring more than you score you loose yes the lakers are playing good d, and yes the magic are missing shots but they aren't exactly stopping the lakers either. to put it simply... the magic cant do shit right
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